Hmmm

@In other wealthy countries people get sponsorships more easily because companies and sponsors are interested in investing into the eSports scene.@


Now i know Canada and USA aren't exactly considered "whealthy" as of late, but last I checked, it was hard even for established players to get any kind of serious sponsorship here as well. Unless you count shit like Branzone and other server providers a sponsorship lol...

Oh and Cypher lost versus himself more than anything...there comes a point where self confidence can get in your way, and I personally think he reached that since he won ESWC. Well deserved little cocky motherfucker !

FLAME ON

IM GONE

IM SO SWEET LIKE A NICE BON BON...

it's a niche market. i've thought for a while it would make more sense hosting events on-line and using a camera to record them selves playing third person to prevent cheating.

flying a few people to a single event and location, considering the technology used and available, and that a limited number of players can go, AND qualifiers are almost non-existent, is crazy.

the viewer-ship simply isn't there for players or organisers to sell ad space at a high enough cost and to fund these events.

have you ever been to a >50 people lan?

I personally think even people like Cooller and Toxic bring very little return on investment to their sponsors at the moment.

As mentionned, it's a niche market and as of now, any investment is based on projected losses rather than ROI.

With Quake live's projected future, this trend may change but as of now Quake has yet to be considered a valid investment by any sponsor to my knowledge. ( besides Fatality's own brand perhaps but that has nothing to do with the common form of sponsorship we see )

However, considering Qlive's future may mostly be based on online tournaments, I still don't see players being a nice vehicule for sponsor based ads unless they can come up with some player models that include sponsor information, besides just their name/clan tags.

I guess all of this will evolve with the "sport" in due time lol...

if the quakelive concept goes up tho, players dont have to be sponsored, the sponsors will be able to host their ownt tournaments with all the ingame ads and webpage ads and whatnot ads everywhere, and if that turns out great, they can also send the players to their lan tournaments so the players dont have to pay.

I think even blizzard does that with their tournaments.

there's a big difference between a lan event and a spectator event

advertising at a lan event like say dreamhack, is completely different, they're advertising because it's a big fucking gathering of players. the players aren't there to watch top games from jibo, cypher, czm, cooller etc. they're there to play games with each other and warez. take away the 'pro-gamer' competitions from dreamhack and it would barely dent the turnout.

Understandably, Dreamhack is a bit different due to the huge attendance.

But then again, most people attending are already equipped in terms of hardware and as you said, they go there to share goods illegaly because they are too cheap to afford what they want in the first place.

The original argument however is about sponsorship, and to this day it's far from profitable in any kind of way. I can't help but wonder how in the fuck is it profitable to amd/intel/asus/insert shit brand to stick a trillion ads on Toxic's shirt while he plays....98% of the spectator point of view is first person on his screen anyway./.

All in all, it's a broken approach spent in a non evolving market.

Quake Live definately has potential to change this trend. There already are GGL branded servers out there. In the future we can probably see this trend evolve with other companies renting servers and putting their own ads in the maps etc....it will still be hard for players to be marketable however...

exactly.

i mean, some organisers were having trouble paying prize money before the recession even hit, many of them have gone bust, with even the major hosts folding since this recession.

something has to change with the standard business model, costs have to come down, revenue needs to go up. how that can be done or if it can be done is debatable. but moving the whole competitive scene on-line has so much to offer, for both spectators, players and hosts. and even if it's not, is there much of a choice?

if i had to give one piece of advice to an organiser (hey streetrunner), once you've worked out the numbers, make sure you have a HUGE margin of safety because so many unexpected costs WILL occur.

I don't think anyone is going to Dreamhack to copy warez in 2009. From what I've read Sweden has government-built net infra that gives virtually everybody there 100Mbit/s in their own homes and going to a LAN for piracy doesn't seem all that hot to me even with my slow 1Mbit anymore. That and the LANs may have started going all big brother on the people there these days so it may not even be possible.

My point was that a lan event draws in alot more attention from local visitors and onliners than just a random "online tourney". So sponsors can represent themselvs alot better via booths and what not, rather than just a plain 'annoying' ad somewhere in your scoreboard.

i don't know the specifics, but i doubt the numbers are(more like 'were') that high, plus they don't charge much (if anything). if they were really raking in the spectators so many wouldn't have folded.

sekmes !

One thing caught my attention in this interview. He's stating that quake live won't make a good game for competiton because it's "too easy to hit". Alright, every player who is successful in any game say the same, it's just bullshit. Just ask random quakeworld player what they think about UT/Q2/Q3/whatever skill-wise.

Fact: It's not less skill involved, it's different. It's just lazy to state otherwise, and fear of something new which they may not excel at from the beginning. Adapt or become mediocre :)

/ Oldschool qw-player

Not to mention that quake (unlike RTS games) is inherently balanced. Meaning that arguments like "In game X it's easier to hit" don't make any sense at all , since it's the same for everyone.

E.g. if everyone is going to add 10% to their accuracy for whatever reason it only means that people who previously hit 40% will now hit 50% while those who hit 50% will hit 60%. The best aimers will still remain the best aimers.

These so called "elite" players/whiners really need to come up with some better excuses for sucking.

I sense great jealousy of Starcraft in this one.

Yes I'm so jealous of starcraft... In fact I'm jealous of many things, like e.g. your amazing intellect, or your ability to accurately predict basically anything using google trends. BTW please keep us informed on the impending death of quakelive, I'd like to know exact dates and stuff so I can mentally prepare for this occasion, thank you.

I also sense great denial about Quake Live's painful death.

I sense a lonely troll desperately looking for attention

Don't be so hard on yourself, mate - You were only half trolling in your reply.

yes, but u see where is lot different in q3 20% rail or 40% rail , or 20% lg or 40% lg.. its like make q3 rockets like "nikita" (100% fallowing rockets / dont know how its calling maybe hornets :D ) so yeah ,evereyone will have same stuff, but game wont be better yes?

In any case, it isn't easier to hit than Q3 at LAN.

"English motherfucker. Do you speak it !?"

if you do use commas, use them correctly. As in:

"English, motherfucker. Can you type it?!"


Also baching guard's English ist soo 2008.

wow.. a german trying to correct english 'mistakes' from a native speaker..

and making spelling mistakes in that process !


baching lol

not even sure what I wanted to write there O.o

think it was "bitching at" but that would be one hell of a typo :P

bashing

yeah, that's the one. Thanks :)

why not, if he's wrong?

cause hes referring to a famous pic, thats probably why he put the sentence in quotes ;)

imo its a quote from pulp fiction.

But no matter it's simply wrong, because without that comma he is asking an English motherfucker if he can't speak something, rather than asking a motherfucker if he can't speak English ;)

native speaker? how can you be so sure? his profile page lists his location as Montreal. I had a hard time talking to people when I visited. French is the language of choice in Quebec... although my friend from France claims they speak "Canadian" and not "true" French :P

What is more representing his native language, Country(read: Origin) or his current Timezone?

the origin, of course.

Do you know his origin? Because it might just be Quebec, where French is the language of choice.

This is so full of win :)

not again :( I see you are new in esr :(

Haha Guard,

don't take me seriously. I enjoy trolling everynow and then but I hate being offensive to other people.

I did not know it was common to bitch about your english !

Mah bad!

WHITE FLAG / PEACE!

did I break your concentration?
xD

pulp friction

What did you make of Quake 4?

I only played it for a few days. I really felt like that software company [Raven] got so lazy and just imported Quake 3 to another engine and added a nail gun. The problem with the game mostly was that it was more of the same. What people/software companies haven’t realized is people don’t want more of the same. Look at the evolution of Quake-Quake 3. Each game was completely different from its predecessor with completely different guns, physics, strategies and tactics. What made all the Quakes fun was learning the game, finding new secrets, new jumps, etc. New quality games provide new blood, new competition, and even out the playing field. That’s my take on the matter at least.

just giving an example of q3 in contrast to q4, an extract from a GGL 2007 interview with z4

So uh, I'm kinda lost here :(

z4 never played q4 seriously, maybe thats it. he wanted competition in a new good game, q4 wasnt fun enough.

we all want a *new* quake.
if i look at another classic series, ut3 is also a fail.

it's just yet another specimen of how opinions may vary

like some friend used to say, broken english ahead
opinion is not smth you discuss, opinion is to be despise and to urinate on its proprietary

yea next time i might as well use google to help me interact on this gaudily awesome site
thx4caring tho

This "IRL" thingie might turn out to be the new WoW. :(

"Quake Live reminds me of Quake 4 and I didn't like Quake 4 at all because it was a different game."

that's almost every q3 player's excuse for not liking any game but q3. "it's different" ...

dunno why, but it feels better to run around in an empty map in osp and somewhat also in cpma vq3 than play a match in quakelive.



different is not necessarily better.

That's also why most request for "new" maps are based around Hub and Ztn.

They wouldnt want to lose their comfort levels now would they....

No, ztn is just a better map than any of the newer maps, period.

...and now that you have exposed him, he is sure to see the error in his ways !

Interview with random?

Were you surprised by Cypher losing his first match versus prox_pl?

fire_bot: I was not surprised because I have played Cypher a few days before this match and he was in a really bad shape.

nice to talk about match they both didnt even watch

fire_bot: There are two things that I don't like about Quake Live. First of all the aiming is easier. I don't know how to explain it exactly but I will try. Just imagine when you are shooting on somebody with rail and you miss but the sound of hitting appears. That means you actually hit a person even shooting somewhere next to him. It's so annoying and not competitive... I think they should create two modes. One for beginners and one for pros. Pro mode should include smaller hit boxes and an improved net code. Quake Live would be a competitive game then and I think the successor of Quake 3.

No offense to the guy, but that's easily one of the dumbest things I've ever seen regarding Quake Live.

Or am I crazy?

crazy..........no.

stupid......yes.

According to this interview,

in quake, sounds can "appear".
Talk about mixing up the senses lol....

What's next ? Tasting with your eyes perhaps ? Smelling with your ears?

wee

the idea is retarded, yeah

like those "manual timing is pointless" guys...

He said promode

He touches a weak point of q3/ql:
Aiming became too easy during the last years.
For me, this makes the game less exciting to watch. If players hit 55% rail average, each single hit is much less important than if they only hit 40%.
Imo, when you get over the 50% mark, you tend to be less happy about your successful shots, but instead get annoyed by the shots you dont hit.
This might sound strange but imagine this:
If you hit only 5% of your rail shots, you'd get excited about these hits a lot, while if you hit 95% every game you will damn the few shots that you missed.

A good example, and I see this the most strong in another game - DDR. Starting out, you may find yourself questioning why some player walks off during a game when they make a tiny mistake, or when they curse the game when they pull a black flag. Once you get up there yourself, you find that you're the one having to explain your distaste with the smallest error to some newbie. =/

I agree but I don't know what can be done about high accuracies.
Today there are many factors that have improved significantly since the days where high hitscan accuracies were special.

Mice, ping, netcode, fps, usbrate etc..

Only real "fix" is to make hitscan weapons deal less damage.

what about smaller hitboxes? Aiming in q4 got significantly harder when they introduced the octagonal hit boxes, which were still of the same height and width than the square boxes before (iirc). I know, that they won't change the hitboxes in ql, but maybe it will happen in other games..

maybe a delay on the rail, like q2.

Or more like a projectile similar to the stake gun but faster.


There would be ways, but I'm afraid it wouldn't be q3 anymore. So maybe just octagonal hitboxes?

sekmes! ;D

i never heard of fire_bot. should i?

you hear now

yes ;)
well, i rememeber him for some strong games in the quakequickcups for example. also, wasnt he the guy that lost against cheating sombra? now thats fame

there was an anonym post here that said he lost against cheating sombra with one only 1 frag.

Cooller isn't in his best shape, his connection is bad and HELL is not one of the top players. With a bit of practise I could have beaten both.

boom goes the dynamite

unrespect!

he told this, coz he didnt played lot vs him IMO and we never saw hell (newage) in top in some bigger tourney. Still i think hell is pro and he could play very good. IMO its fire_bot mistake and next time he wouldn`t do it again.

where is the interview with guard??!?!?

don't worry, we are gonna take #care of it!

he was unavailable as there were too many drunk bitches in his basement.

I could get one. The problem is i dont know lithuanian :D

lol

"Of course one could say "leave the girl and play Quake", but I'm not that kind of person"
omg u failed

"I think they should create two modes. One for beginners and one for pros. Pro mode should include smaller hit boxes and an improved net code"
improved netcode for pro players only? rasist

"That's only my opinion, so don't criticise me!"
oh, damn it


overall, not very bright...

hm he clearly overrates unity

"I didn't like Quake 4 at all because it was a different game."
I just love this kind of attitude. -_-

haiiiaiaiai

why we care that firebot left the major series

"With practice I could have beaten both"

yer well, with practice I could do all sorts of things, but it's a pointless claim unless you actually put in the practice.