maybe i'm missing something but... what does he care?

What is it about? Just read from the news...

yeah yeah i've read the news... i'm just wondering why would forever complain about it

a cat in the corner can make strange jumps :)

Loose lips sink ships.

coz he's forever and he'll always whine and complain

but this time he is maybe in RiGHT ;-)

Needs "He's just a sore loser" option

What did he lose?

Ivo is right. Its incredibly stupid that Vo0 is going. I like Vo0 I really do, but Ivo won.

And Vo0 hasn't even had any acheivements in Q3. So why is he even given a birth? Next we will see countries sending WC3L teams to go play CS....

Not to mention I would be pissed too. You train and train then use some tactics you might want to save until the grand finals. Then you find out the player you used them on is going to be going with you.

If events can just pull a switcheroo on players like this and get away with it, then no wonder the GGL and CPL have both not paid certain monies to certain players.

I know a lot of you on ESR hate Ivo because he is like the ToD of the dueling side of eSports. The bottle smash and constant 'whining'.

But seriously...if this was you and this was your job you wouldn't be pleased either. So save the ignorant comments about how Ivo whines and whatnot.

Hes a better player/person than many of you.

i want to know what the hell you're talking about.

forever didn't attend the quali...

if-22 beat Vo0

if-22, not forever

Oh wow I am embarassed. I thought if-22 was Ivo...just changing his name for some reason.

I apologize. Yeah I don't get why he is angry then...makes no sense really.

i give to you a plus my friend... (fams)

about Ivo... sad but true...

Hes a better player/person than many of you.

player: yes of course.

person: well don't know him personally, but whenever he opens his mouth he removes every doubt that he is not a freindly person

So he's upset that the organizers of an event decided to offer an additional spot to a player they were impressed by and thought should be in their finals. Nice.

You keep talking as if Ivo even tried, which he didn't, so your entire comment has lost it's basis of argument.

v0o was one of the best cpm players(yes its more q3 than fucking q4)

Ill ask again what has forever achived in q3 ?

Ivo won what? he didn't attend.

ivo won what? god your post is pathetic on so many levels, he didn't even bother to attend the event so STFU

I fail to see why an event offering an extra spot to a player that impressed them can possibly be a bad thing. God you are retarded.

have you ever seen VoO playing cpm? he deserves the spot...

This is not CPM.

doesn't matter. he's a great dueller and he does well in vq3. maybe he won't stand against the REAL opponents, but with his history in Q3/PK he deserves to get seeded 1st in the quali and an invite to the masters.
Just like toxic should've signed up to show how much of an AWESOME dueller he is.
he should learn a lesson from Vo0 really.

Did u see how good rat did at that 1 vq3 event he attended ?? i great dm player is a great dm player, most of teh best q3 players all came from qw or q2

you're right its worse.

He's right.
But I'm not unhappy that voO is going.

But if organisator, you can't start giving more prices after the tournament.
They had to tell everyone on forehand, what and who could win something.

needs "brb, toilet" option

this is VQ3, not CPM
almost totally different games.
vo0 is great in CPM, but nothing in VQ3

"but nothing in vq3"

... yet.

He won a map from if-22 no ?

big achievement.

maybe not but beeing second best in nl is i believe.

BTW
whether vo0 is coming or not actually doesnt matter.
watch his demo in VQ3...bad lg, bad rg...
and his opponent if-22? is the guy raped by rocketboy years ago??
oh, vo0, dont come to San Jose, or u'll be raped....many times..

just for that vo0 is going to come to san jose and rape you now

I watched the demos which makes me wonder if you did? His lightning and rail is good. His movement isnt tho.

I watched them too. It's not about movement or weapon skill, for the most part (you can win with those, but you have to be really, exceptionally good, and he isn't that)). His timing and tactics are utter shit. Same goes for if-22.

In Vo0 vs if-22 game, they played pro-nodm9 on about 2001's skill level. they played ztn3tourney1 on about 2002's skill level. if-22 managed to bring the skill level up to 2003 or 2004's standard of play on pro-q3dm6.

Yeah that was my impression as well. My comment were just about his handling of shaft and rail which i cant really see there is anything bad about.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

BTW
whether vo0 is coming or not actually doesnt matter.
watch his demo in VQ3...bad lg, bad rg...
and his opponent if-22? is the guy raped by rocketboy years ago??
oh, vo0, dont come to San Jose, or u'll be raped....many times..

bad lg? bad rg? are we talking about the same Vo0?

And toxic raped cooller in q3 once, doesnt mean he could do it again:D

yah i watched the demos. I wasn't as impressed as everyone else that watched them was.

hey

And Ivo plays ctf =)

He would have been right if he wasn't forever...

am i missing something here? i thought every eswc qualifier gave 2 spots, one for the winner (paid), one for the runner-up (unpaid).

Yes you are missing something, gamelux announced that there was only 1 spot for the NL.

I'm not pissed that he's going. In fact it's pretty cool that he gets a spot, he's fun to watch.

..and yea there is some lame e-drama going on.

Neither of those opinions affect the fact that it's generally wrong to alter the prize structure of a tournament _after_ the tournament has completed. So, I had to vote 'Yes'

"...it's generally wrong to alter the prize structure of a tournament _after_ the tournament has completed. So, I had to vote 'No'"

Don't you mean 'yes'?

Whoops, thanks

Congrats to Vo0 for getting a spot to the finals. Vo0 has tons of potential in any deathmatch game, it's a matter of how much he practices that will dictate how well he does in San Jose.

That being said, forever needs to get his head out of his ass. Vo0 definitely deserved the first seed, and more than likely, forever would not have qualified. He is not very good at vq3 and in general, he is poor in tournament play.

That being said, forever needs to get his head out of his ass. Vo0 definitely deserved the first seed, and more than likely, forever would not have qualified. He is not very good at vq3 and in general, he is poor in tournament play.

You're a nice guy and all but, what the hell are you talking about?

Forever's perhaps not top in vq3, but he's at least above decent.
And how can you say that he is poor in tournament play? what exactly do you mean by that?

He cracks really easily under pressure. A problem that plagues many "above average players." Myself included.

I thought you meant he's bad in duelling in general with 'tournament play'.

In a way that is what he means. He is saying Ivo can be a great player with a lot of potential, however his attitude in tournament play will always be an obstacle making it hard to predict him as a winner.

yeah ok but I still don't get what that has to do with the poll:D

I think he means that Ivo's complaints aren't justified. He is acting in a manner that is saying (at least from what I can tell) that if he did attend the event, he would've at least got 2nd, and in turn one of the "hidden" spots.

That is a shot at Vo0's abilities and skills, which many people perceive as childish/e-drama.

shut it nig

If they gave the ticket to Vo0 only because he's such cool and fun guy I think its wrong. If they decided to give it to whoever placed 2nd I think its OK.

idk maybe cos he actually made it to the final ?

that would be my point too..because deciding to give someone a spot just because he is "xyz" in tournament organization of that scale is simply wrong..but if it's just 'correcting' a mistake and it would be an invite for whoever placed second then it's ok

[x] lol what a cunt

needs a "cry" option - can't really choose between "no" and "e-drama".

ariel needs her wings too

It's all 'cry' 'whine' and 'care' on the internet these days, people just, forgot how to act any different...

Getting anoying.

nice poll! :)

its all about the $$$.
if-22 playstyle is not very spectator friendly.

why is forever complaining? He chose not to compete in the event of his own free will.

You don't get his point, read up THEN comment.

forever is a faggot whiner piece of shit. He sucks and would have lost anyways if he went. So obviously he was too pussy to attend in the first place and needs to stfu and get back to blowing guys in the alley.

gingers in toilets!

NO U

dont forget to add euro trash

lol Funny shit.

he didn't even attend. what the fuck is he talking about?

forever is right, it's totally wrong. why don't they call it an invite? it's an invite, not a win or something.

Agreed, change it to "we are inviting voo because he is a cool guy and a good player, unlike forever"

no, he's forever wrong.

hes right but he doesnt deserve the spot

Who is forever?

I want to see Vo0 on eswc !
Because he FIGHT till end ! ( not like forever on quickcup )
Because ESWC give to us new Q3 player & GGs !

the fact of the matter is if it were anyone else besides voo taking second, regardless of their performance, they would not have been invited. i am 95% sure of this, and that is why i voted yes. gg.

pretty much

since you don't know the admins and obviously don't consider that if-22 said that the admins didn't now they could send a second player without extra costs until he told them I am 100% sure you can't be 95% sure...

just deductive reasoning considering who voo is.

oh I see, awesome reasoning.

No wait.

That's actually the worst way possible to judge anything...

if you say so

More people at the finals the merrier as far as i am concerned.

Personally i dont see VoO competing near the top of vq3, but if hes willing to pay the ticket and at least give it a shot then where is the basis for complaint.

GL Vo0

so much crap about all this. Have never seen any achivements in Q3 nor by if22 neither by Voo. But still can remember moaning vs fox on eswc, game vs rocketboy. They both'd be just like freeslots on the final, or maybe could stand against, f.e. Egypt(could be really interesting :)), max that I can expect scores like 2 to 1 with good players - so forever was wright at least when tried to exclude attendence of such on the final.

yes, tournaments should always only invite the 4 maybe top 8 at most. Who cares about more games and unlikely but possible upsets in the early stages.

Wait ... I do...

maybe they just announced there was only one spot because they didn't want forever to attend specifically and were planning on giving second place an invite the whole time

forever and walter should band together like the gypsies they are.

who would want forever at an event anyway?

If he doesn't take the trouble to even show up (apparently not confident enough that he'd become first) he should shut his trap and break something.

"we prefer a public opinion"

ORLY ? Since When?

forever