ESR - ESWC Finals: Qualified players updated

<< Comment #1 @ 02:46 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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pizz

back in business!

we missed you :(

<< Comment #2 @ 02:48 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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SyXz

old :) http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1565360

<< Comment #3 @ 02:52 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #2

should have made it a news post!

ok im confused. you made your post before xou made his yet his is different from yours lol (my update was regarding his post)

Edited by Nicky at 02:53 CDT, 6 August 2008

<< Comment #4 @ 02:55 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Carillo

Shame about fooKi, but GO ARRW!

<< Comment #27 @ 05:44 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Spart1e - Reply to #4

so, did anyone actually talk to arrw and ask him if he really IS going when he has this spot for the finals?

<< Comment #30 @ 05:55 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Xsi - Reply to #27

talk to him yourself, maybe he will let you go

<< Comment #246 @ 06:55 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #27

apparently not. he lost his phone while pissed & then when he found it again there was 2 messages; 1st saying "call back yes or no if you'll go", 2nd saying "we'll take your silence as a no" and this was sent on the 25th apparently so quite a while ago. + cant get in touch with sponsors

your opportunity to sneak in ;)

<< Comment #5 @ 02:58 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Nicky

can someone tell me how USA have got 5 players attending? i can understand the 2 who qualified from the nationals and 1 from masters but how come chance and czm got a direct invite? is it just because its being held in USA?

<< Comment #6 @ 03:16 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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neb - Reply to #5

maybe to add to the excitement factor? i think eswc actually cares about spectators watching their events and running entertaining tournaments unlike other organizations that i won't mention. and i think a good way to do that is to bring in all the top names, and czm & chance are definitely some of them. i personally think anyone who's worthy of keeping up with the competition should be able to attend, no matter where they're from, just to keep it exciting.

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<< Comment #7 @ 03:19 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #6

im not complaining i just wondered, the more players the better... just they have never done it before. kinda makes the qualifiers a bit of a sham if players who dont qualify will get a direct invite anyways

<< Comment #9 @ 03:39 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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wrl - Reply to #7

not the first time

<< Comment #10 @ 03:40 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #9

is it not? ok then lol. i thought it was always just the previous winner who got a direct invite or countries who didnt have a qualifier

<< Comment #16 @ 04:08 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #10

I guess they use the players to fill empty spots, which they have done before. Only this time they do it a little earlier, which is good imo cause it raises the quality of the replacements.

<< Comment #19 @ 04:13 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #16

maybe Libya and Chile didnt actually bother having Q3 qualifiers and they are to replace them.

<< Comment #34 @ 06:38 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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V1R7U4L - Reply to #19

The qualy of Chile was cancelled due to lack of sponsors.

<< Comment #73 @ 14:58 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #34

ah :/ thanks for info

<< Comment #88 @ 16:16 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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_agu - Reply to #34

argentina should have qualifier :/

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<< Comment #107 @ 18:18 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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V1R7U4L - Reply to #88

[+] yes we should :'(

<< Comment #149 @ 08:36 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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erthx - Reply to #34

yes was cancelled , and stylus.games are missing with the money of inscription.

<< Comment #13 @ 03:48 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Deimos - Reply to #6

For instance UEFA and the hosting countries also cared about the number of fans coming to see EURO 2008, but still nobody gave a wild card to English team, which did not qualify.

<< Comment #17 @ 04:09 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #13

true, but it's not like they had empty spots (which I think eswc had?)

I wonder what would have happened if one country had folded before the Eurocup.

<< Comment #23 @ 04:38 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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GenerationQ - Reply to #17

as happened in 1992

they could just pick the country that got 2nd (dk) in the group that Yugoslavia (which dropped) originally qualified in.

Edited by GenerationQ at 04:42 CDT, 6 August 2008

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<< Comment #24 @ 04:45 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #23

you're right, completely forgot about that.

<< Comment #102 @ 17:54 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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GenerationQ - Reply to #24

the only question remaining would be WHO of the newly appointed players will play dthe Denmark-Part and win the whole thing :)

<< Comment #122 @ 04:07 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #102

I only see one player who might be able to do that, czm.

some of the others are good but not that good.

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Actualy i think czm might even be worse than arrW and griffin at the moment, but he at least has the potential.

Edited by becks at 04:08 CDT, 7 August 2008

<< Comment #167 @ 09:49 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #122

??
zero4 qualified @ the masters beating czm along the way
czm's only there through invite

<< Comment #8 @ 03:34 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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xou - Reply to #5

the day I can get my hand on ahriman, you'll have an answer :)
I was waiting to find him to update the previous news

<< Comment #43 @ 07:32 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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hedin - Reply to #5

I doubt if it can help USA :). Z4, CZM is good, but chance, dkt, rapha = trash

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<< Comment #52 @ 12:25 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #43

who are you to claim chance,rapha, dkt = trash.

<< Comment #55 @ 13:05 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #52

Some clueless euro-noob.

<< Comment #99 @ 17:40 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Jubei - Reply to #52

Someone that has watched their tournament prowess and compared it to the likes of czm and zero4....maybe.

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anal justice - Reply to #52

ok, not trash but still mediocre

<< Comment #64 @ 13:50 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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arQon - Reply to #5

to be fair, it's a VERY big country. you could justifiably have 1 or 2 players per STATE if not for the overhead.

<< Comment #69 @ 14:49 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #64

to also be fair some states are allmost empty (only very few inhabitants). And also in your theory china should get half of the spots! because they simply have half of the world population.

<< Comment #75 @ 15:07 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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ted - Reply to #69

who gives a SHIT about china

<< Comment #82 @ 15:27 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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DamianLillard - Reply to #75

Olympic games human rights committee, the UN, Amnesty International...

<< Comment #90 @ 16:20 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #82

exactly the same institutions that don't give a shit about the US, funny coincidence!

<< Comment #100 @ 17:44 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #90

More like the US doesn't give a shit about any of those...

What comes around goes around...

<< Comment #294 @ 14:45 CDT, 10 August 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #64

Not being too specific with which countries were included, but a quick google search shows that there was a pop. of 300m in '07 for USA, and 728m for europe in '05.
Just sayin'.

<< Comment #11 @ 03:44 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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fjorgyn

seems like this years eswc finals will be the best and highest skilled tournament in the history of q3 with all those ppl attending and practicing hard for it. I couldn't think of a better way to end the era of q3 (and beginning of quakelive :p)

I hope they will have CRT monitors so nothing lowers the skill and that there are good admins and a proper coverage such a playerlist deserves! (tho im worried about that cause its in america =/)

<< Comment #18 @ 04:10 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Anonymous (crawdad.sit.aau.dk) - Reply to #11

hardly..but i see you registered in 2007 so i don't suppose you can remember back to 2001.

<< Comment #22 @ 04:32 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #18

name one tournament that had as many top players that could place top8. (i counted about 20)

And you still haven't registered, what would you even know about a tournament one month ago. Nice logic isn't it?

<< Comment #47 @ 07:57 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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bsk - Reply to #22

ESWC 2003. And back then everyone had been training solidly for years, not only months.

<< Comment #57 @ 13:23 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #47

wrong. despite all of the players there, eswc 2003 was between zero4 and cooller, and noone else could take it.

<< Comment #163 @ 09:35 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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bsk - Reply to #57

You can only say that with confidence in hindsight. Pretty much every esports journalist writing at the time said it was impossible to call.

On the contrary, it's not unreasonable to suppose that ESWC 2008 is between av3k and cypher, and that no-one else has a chance.

<< Comment #165 @ 09:39 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #163

i believe jibo has smth to say about that, and if cooller gets in form again he too, maybe even zero4 now that he got some international practice. And you can never count out fox!

<< Comment #187 @ 10:59 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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bsk - Reply to #165

You can always count Fox out of first place! :P

<< Comment #169 @ 09:52 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #163

cypher / jibo / avek / fox
i think thats the most likely final standings too (in that order)

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poindexter - Reply to #169

z4 > fox

<< Comment #181 @ 10:41 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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ini - Reply to #57

At the time when ESWC 2003 was hosted the current Quake3 international champions were LeXeR (Quakecon 2002) and uNkind (WCG).

I think the biggest evidence to suggest that it wasn't just between cooller and zero4 is that group stage two finished 1.Lexer 2. Cooller and 1. Fazz 2. Zero4.

Cooller, ZeRo4, Fazz, Fox, z4muz, cha0 and prozac were all underdogs wanting to claim or reclaim the top spot.

At the moment ESWC 2008 looks like it'll finish:

1. Cypher
2-3. Jibo/av3k/fox
4-8. noctis, zero4, cooller, czm

Edited by svalur at 10:42 CDT, 7 August 2008

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Lethe - Reply to #181

At the time when ESWC 2003 was hosted the current Quake3 international champions were LeXeR (Quakecon 2002) and uNkind (WCG).

one of them (unkind) didnt even attend eswc2003 due to infamous russian visa problems. so lets say lexer is left. then again, cooller didnt attend that quakecon. or any of the swedes. it was lexer vs americans basically, in quakecon's "good old" BO1 to that. not so solid proof of anything.

I think the biggest evidence to suggest that it wasn't just between cooller and zero4 is that group stage two finished 1.Lexer 2. Cooller and 1. Fazz 2. Zero4.

Well yeah, ZeRo4 lost 1 match to fazz, Cooller lost 2 matches as i recall, 1 to LeXeR, 1 to Socrates, but still, those aren't the matches that decide anything. when it came to semifinals it was totally different story.

Cooller, ZeRo4, Fazz, Fox, z4muz, cha0 and prozac were all underdogs wanting to claim or reclaim the top spot.

i dont know about you, but i didnt see anyone in the finals except ZeRo4 and Cooller from the beginning of the tournament. Fazz, Fox, Z4muz, Cha0ticz, those are/were all *good* players, but it takes some more than that to win a major tournament. They never did.

1. Cypher
2-3. Jibo/av3k/fox
4-8. noctis, zero4, cooller, czm

recent masters tournament looked easy for cypher, but this time i doubt it would be anything like that. kinda agree with the predictions, although i would switch cooller's and fox' place. cooller was rusty and obviously lacked practice, and still managed to fuck many players in the brain with ninjastyle and mapcontrol. he will be better in san jose, for sure. and in-form cooller is not below top3.

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ini - Reply to #224

I agree on cooller but I've no idea how he's treating this tournament, if he takes it seriously enough and gets in good shape then he's Top3 for sure (I can only see Cypher and av3k being capable of beating him). He showed glimpses of genius at GameGune so here's hoping.

As for the ESWC 2003 stuff, it was a three way battle at least between Cooller, LeXeR and ZeRo4 withFazz and Fox probably as outsiders. If only uNkind had got the visa...

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lolograde ' - Reply to #47

I think it's all relative. Because I think the game has definitely developed since 2003. Watching old demos from back then, people lean more towards RL skill and controlling items. Now you see players like Cypher who not only have a killer RL and item-timing, but they have beastly LG and RG as well as superior weapon use and positioning.

Everyone's game is ratcheted up so far at this point that I think it comes down to those with the most big LAN experience who can handle the pressure.

Edited by lolograde at 13:51 CDT, 6 August 2008

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ini - Reply to #60

All I'll say is if you check the two group stages at ESWC 2003 you'll see a lot of interesting results.

GS1

GS2

Semi

Final

I doubt ESWC 2008 will be able to provide such results. The level of play in 2008 is of course higher than in 2003 though.

Edited by svalur at 17:04 CDT, 6 August 2008

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Gladius - Reply to #95

What would make you think such results aren't possible this year? Just look at all the potential winners: czm, cooller, fox, jibo, noctis, avek, cypher, killsen, zero4. And then I'm still omitting some names. I do agree, it will be hard to top ESWC '03, but I can see it happen anyway =)

<< Comment #108 @ 18:18 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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ini - Reply to #105

So far only out of czm, cooller, noctis, killsen, zero4 none have shown potential to win (yet). Fox and Jibo are close but have both played inconsistently. av3k has a chance and Cypher is in prime position.

At ESWC 2003, the five players I listed all stood (As the results show) a pretty even chance of winning.

It's certainly capable of providing results like that but it all depends whether czm, cooller, noctis, killsen, zero4, vo0 etc can really step up to the level shown by the others (Maybe less true in the case of noctis who has shown he is quite capable).

<< Comment #134 @ 06:18 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #95

uhh remmeber these times, the mighty FAZZ was so good ;]

<< Comment #117 @ 03:50 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #60

Quakelive will make it even more interesting, since
LG is still easy to use(less lg damage, no cripple) *cypher style* Rockets are back in style HARDCORE (faster RL, more splash damage) *unkind style*
Rail is really easy to hit (80 damage, unlagged gameplay type rail) *z4muz style*

In the middle we have fixed shotgun(accurate) / plasma (same) / mg (less damage) / gauntlet (same)/ grenade (same)

All with OSP jump height and cpma 'accurate' strafing.

QL = WIN

Edited by sinoXy at 03:54 CDT, 7 August 2008

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fjorgyn - Reply to #117

Quite rofl that everyone thinks its osp jump height even tho its 1:1 cpma vq3 movement jump height (syncerror said so). Just shows that ppl are stupid.

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erok - Reply to #119

qlive movement > osp movement

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Lethe - Reply to #119

ppl that think that jump *height* is the only thing that defines the movement are stupid.

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fjorgyn - Reply to #235

if you mean im stupid, i didn't say the jump height is all that defines movement, i also didn't say that ql movement is the same as cpma vq3 movement cause it still feels a bit more random too me.

he said

All with OSP jump height and cpma 'accurate' strafing.

And i just said that the jump height (and stepup height) is the same as in cpma.

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timmah - Reply to #117

How can you define a style if the weapon balance has changed???

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[mash] - Reply to #117

wahahah

<< Comment #12 @ 03:47 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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toifel

ALI I N.A.B > *

<< Comment #14 @ 03:49 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Vlad-

Digg deeper, we want details! :>

<< Comment #15 @ 03:56 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Gladius

so that's it for fooki's return in q3? BAH! why won't he go? =(((

<< Comment #26 @ 05:35 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #15

bored of the game

<< Comment #96 @ 17:23 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Dronar - Reply to #15

He has school to take care of

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Gladius - Reply to #96

he has cooller to take care of =(

Edited by Gladius at 17:54 CDT, 6 August 2008

<< Comment #20 @ 04:19 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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wch

needs more chacha imo.

<< Comment #109 @ 18:41 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Python - Reply to #20

If this was at a later date (late September) I might actually have attended as I'm in the states at that time...I'd also have to qualify :o

<< Comment #21 @ 04:22 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy

WHERE IS K1LLMASTER!!!!!!!!?!!??!!?!?!?!

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<< Comment #238 @ 06:29 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #21

xerping with 60ms on a server near you.

<< Comment #25 @ 04:50 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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[mash]

Toxter - Rocket scientist. \o/

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<< Comment #32 @ 06:11 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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somebodyshootme - Reply to #25

Woot, Toxter!! Give 'em hell!

<< Comment #38 @ 06:54 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #25

is he actually any good? I know his name for quite some time, but I've never seen him play.

<< Comment #39 @ 06:56 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #38

welllll, he's definitely good at CPM 1on1 and TDM. his RL is insane.

<< Comment #110 @ 18:49 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Python - Reply to #38

From what I played him when he was down under (I think in New Zealand) I wasn't too impressed...although it was a 20 ping vs 50 ping situation about 3 years ago or so....I'd say he's probably awesome now though!

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Gladius - Reply to #110

did you play him in cpm or cpma?

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Python - Reply to #189

CPMA, I don't play cpm

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<< Comment #28 @ 05:48 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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unihumi

so is Toxter definitely going now? Or is it too expensive?

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Nicky - Reply to #28

most prob too expensive, if he has to pay his own way

<< Comment #31 @ 05:59 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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riske_of_h8

czm \o/

<< Comment #33 @ 06:38 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Co1nCo1n

hum... It still missing one guy to reach 32 slots :-)

1/ noctis
2/ impulse
3/ Krysa
4/ strenx
5/ link1n
6/ k1llsen
7/ if-22
8/ Vo0
9/ Matr0x
10/ zik
11/ Nike
12/ cooller
13/ xgo
14/ fox
15/ fooKi replaced by ARRW
16/ Hunter
17/ ddk
18/ rapha
19/ dkt
20/ Spammah
21/ Cypher
22/ RazerJ
23/ ZeRo4
24/ CZM
25/ chance
26/ TOXTER
27/ ALI I N.A.B
28/ Chile
29/ Libya
30/ canadian 1 (I assume Griffin)
31/ canadian 2 ???

Edited by Co1nCo1n at 06:38 CDT, 6 August 2008

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draven- - Reply to #33

av3k?

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Co1nCo1n - Reply to #35

Of course, I forgot to add av3k (The "World Defending Champion" :o) to my list.

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<< Comment #36 @ 06:45 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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SyXz - Reply to #33

+ av3k
- chile

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Gladius - Reply to #33

wow suddenly this list looks quite appealing!

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GUArd - Reply to #33

eswc dealing with me, but i dont give a fuck!

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becks - Reply to #40

OK!

<< Comment #61 @ 13:47 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #40

You wouldn't be able to go if they gave you an invite?

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GUArd - Reply to #61

nah, joking, usa is to far with own $ :)

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lolograde ' - Reply to #65

Get a loan! This is a once in a lifetime experience! When else would you be able to travel half way around the world to meet up with other great players and have a bunch of good memories???

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<< Comment #53 @ 12:28 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #33

the missing canadian is Bono, he is a "professional" +backer and has pissed me like nobody in zillion practice matches we have played before all this eswc hype, only recently he tries +forward sometimes

<< Comment #85 @ 15:43 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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wocK_ - Reply to #33

man the line up is sick

i can't wait to watch it!!

might even top past events

<< Comment #44 @ 07:32 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Anonymous (ccl189.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)

Since Cypher was beaten by K1llmaster on the online tournament it would be nice to see him there to. Also missing Toxic. With those two that would be almost an all-star list.

Also I hope for a great coverage as like it was on QuakeCon.

Oh wait ...

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becks

I wonder how many people won't make it due to visas, "oops forgot to book a flight" or other reasons (read: being a pussy) ...

<< Comment #45 @ 07:39 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Terifire

Forever?:p...

He was quite good before eswc nl allready, and even tho he caused a lot of e-drama, he's still a good player.

I'd just like to see him play in a big quake3 event:)

Edited by Terifire at 07:40 CDT, 6 August 2008

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Lethe - Reply to #45

it would last 3 mins, he's something like walter.

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draven- - Reply to #45

lol

<< Comment #46 @ 07:53 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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HamstaHue

toxter?

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[mash] - Reply to #46

german cpm "legend".

Edited by [mash] at 12:17 CDT, 6 August 2008

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lolograde ' - Reply to #50

but his movement is so terrible

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Aaron - Reply to #63

that's why he's cool in cpm!

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lolograde ' - Reply to #77

:-P

I wish people thought I was cool because the fact that I'm terrible all around... that should make me a rockstar in proportion.

<< Comment #92 @ 16:33 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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HamstaHue - Reply to #50

was h 2nd in grman qualifirs?

<< Comment #97 @ 17:27 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #92

no, i believe he gets slain3s (or w/e) spot.

<< Comment #48 @ 12:02 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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fuzz

CZM :0

<< Comment #49 @ 12:09 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Dird

They should have invited

Dongj1n, not chance...enough americans already

Edited by Dird at 12:10 CDT, 6 August 2008

<< Comment #59 @ 13:25 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #49

"Dongj1n, not chance..."

there you go...

<< Comment #62 @ 13:48 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #49

Your mom is American.

<< Comment #171 @ 09:58 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #62

shes actually from Utah =)

<< Comment #194 @ 18:17 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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poindexter - Reply to #171

i'm sorry.

<< Comment #239 @ 06:31 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #171

utah, malone, stockton.

<< Comment #54 @ 13:00 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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_agu

canada 2 spots :DDD

<< Comment #56 @ 13:08 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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SyXz

libya canceled too, so they might invite 2 more players. python maybe? pls someone sponsor him

Edited by SyXz at 13:09 CDT, 6 August 2008

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Nicky - Reply to #56

ye would be nice to see him there tbh :)

<< Comment #66 @ 14:05 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Deimos

enemy would have been nice. but he doesnt have a sponsor anuway

<< Comment #67 @ 14:07 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Deimos

I asked that in other topic, but repeat the question here ones again: Anybody considers Hunter as a potential contender? I remember Chip (also ukrainian) finished third at WCG 2003 absolutely unexpected, correct me if I'm mistaken...
P.S. Cypher will be first, anyway. Go-go Cooller!

<< Comment #70 @ 14:51 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #67

Only because Hunter is from the same country as someone (chip) who managed to surprise us 5 years ago doesn't really justify a consideration as "potential contender"

<< Comment #87 @ 16:09 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Anonymous (tor.anonymizer.ccc.de) - Reply to #70

uh, well, he was a top player in Quake 4. I can't really remember how good he was in Q3.

<< Comment #91 @ 16:28 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #87

He was decent in belarus/russian standard, so that alone woulrd propably put him in top8 of this tournament.

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Aaron - Reply to #91

like nike?

and all the other russians...

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Carillo - Reply to #93

Not all but like most, yeah. So Nike failed to advance from the hardest group in his first international tournament? In the future I still wouldn't write him off based on that, but hopefully he'll eventually show what he's got.

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erok - Reply to #91

top8 of this tournament? yea right ahaha

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Carillo - Reply to #197

Or maybe, just maybe I exaggerated a little on purpose!

<< Comment #259 @ 14:02 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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erok - Reply to #208

who knows, maybe he will suprise :)

<< Comment #261 @ 14:30 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #259

like czm?

and all the other americans...

God, I just had to do that. :|

<< Comment #262 @ 14:54 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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erok - Reply to #261

If czm spends a few weeks playing in europe, I wouldn't count him out :o

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Carillo - Reply to #262

...in europe.. BINGO!

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erok - Reply to #263

hes got no one to play in q3 over here, unless he wants to play qlive

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Aaron - Reply to #262

he should do, he did it in OSP so CPMA shouldn't too much of a problem

<< Comment #94 @ 16:50 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #67

I don't think Hunter can be considered a TOP contender, but he's a very dangerous player all right, and it's best for the top players not to underestimate him. As of late, he did 'quite' ok in the ukraine qualifier , which he won, but only because Alf gave forfeit in the final. Hunter looked ok in those few demos, but not really spectacular (like when he took 3rd place on ASUS Spring '07). He's a heavy rail-based player, and in these shaftwh0ring times, I don't see him get really far. On the other hand, he does have quite some experience, so we'll just have to wait & see. I'm not really sure what to expect from him.

Edited by Gladius at 17:02 CDT, 6 August 2008

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PuX - Reply to #94

he won over Cooller once (maybe more).

and last two times he lost in starting stages in ESWC. two years ago he din't make it out of the group.

p.s. he is a strong player but he plays well in Ukraine/Russia, I think something gets wrong in other countries... probably he gets nervous.

<< Comment #68 @ 14:30 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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stelamfanboy

ALI I N.A.B!!!

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lolograde ' - Reply to #68

ALI NAB is the new Dongj1n.

<< Comment #241 @ 06:33 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #81

not really. lybia is $$$$$$, he'll prolly come with a 2Mill$ airplane and 15 bitches.

<< Comment #260 @ 14:07 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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V1R7U4L - Reply to #241

lolololol
but it's true xD

<< Comment #71 @ 14:54 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Weird '

Was it anywhere in the rules that they had a few spots to just assign to ppl ?
Now I don't realy know, but tbh they should announce stuff like this before the qualifiers :)
'Like we have a total of 32 spots, countries can buy spots and the rest will be assigned' that would make things a lot clearer.

<< Comment #74 @ 15:05 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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link1n

its not eswc anymore its some tourneys where anyone can go, isnt it ?
how many US players in here? we didnt have so many french players and ESWC was still host in france.. and who the hell is toxter? if you want some german, get diablo, wrath or someone at least.. known?

<< Comment #84 @ 15:29 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #74

maybe all the other germans cant afford the trip?

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[mash] - Reply to #74

oh, stop bitching, french guy. all i hear is BLABLA BLEH BLEH BLAH.

why should one send someone "known" when he's totally shit (wrath)?
also i didn't know strenx before. did i rant about how shit he is, 'cause i don't know him?

Edited by [mash] at 06:20 CDT, 7 August 2008

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becks - Reply to #74

I think I remember a certain Masters tournament... Tell me, how many French attended? Were they all masters or maybe even not as good as the 2(!) Americans who got the extra tickets.

<< Comment #198 @ 21:03 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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erok - Reply to #74

Ah, the French organization showing favoritism towards U.S. players clearly. CZM and chance are nobodies, I'd rather see less players in the tournament than let them play, and allow this bias to continue.

<< Comment #76 @ 15:11 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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AHXNXA

dan gonna rape you alllllll

<< Comment #78 @ 15:22 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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DamianLillard

What's libya? It sounds some african country where's always civil war.

<< Comment #86 @ 15:47 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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zech - Reply to #78

Libya, officially the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, is a country in North Africa. Bordering the Mediterranean Sea to the north, Libya lies between Egypt to the east, Sudan to the southeast, Chad and Niger to the south, and Algeria and Tunisia to the west.
With an area of almost 1.8 million square kilometres (700,000 sq mi), 90% of which is desert, Libya is the fourth largest country in Africa by area, and the 17th largest in the world. The capital, Tripoli, is home to 1.7 million of Libya's 5.7 million people.

<< Comment #83 @ 15:28 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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timmah

ph4ntom please \o/

:(

<< Comment #98 @ 17:33 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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aBx|CRACK

where's toxjq?

<< Comment #104 @ 18:02 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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taken - Reply to #98

q3 tdm only :x

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aBx|CRACK - Reply to #104

ty

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tifu - Reply to #98

playing quake live from time to time :)

<< Comment #269 @ 16:49 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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aBx|CRACK - Reply to #210

ty hope he will pwn in ql like in q4 :D (duel)

<< Comment #103 @ 18:01 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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fazz

I feel sorry for bono too not be mentioned as a addition when griffin is. :(

<< Comment #111 @ 01:05 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #103

i added griffin as i knew he would be going, at the time i didnt know who else was in the grand final. all updated now

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senzor - Reply to #103

That was correct since he reached the GrandFinals at that time and there were 2 slots for Canada. When Griffin reached GF he already had the spot :-) while bono was fighting somewhere deep in the LB. All and all Grandfinal was just a formality in this event.

Nicky good job, u're very fast updater ... But I understand, you must update quickly when this site accidentaly works :-D

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Nicky - Reply to #112

at least the comments are fixed now! this morning we had yet another issue lol

<< Comment #106 @ 18:08 CDT, 6 August 2008 >>

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Gladius

does anyone know there will be two groupstages as usual? and not the shoddy SE after the 1st group stage like in the masters?

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Carpio - Reply to #106

Afaik its 2 group stages followed by single elim.

http://www.eswc.com/grandfinal/sanjose2008/?c...mp;type=SE

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fjorgyn - Reply to #106

there will be 2 group stages and after that the same shoddy SE like at masters, but thats just cause there are double the players. ;)

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ini - Reply to #115

After the 2nd group stage it's the semi-final, nothing shoddy about it.

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SyXz - Reply to #126

quarter final http://www.eswc.com/grandfinal/sanjose2008/?c...mp;type=SE

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fjorgyn - Reply to #126

quarter final, as syxz already posted, so its the same as at masters.

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ini - Reply to #131

Seems they changed the format from ESWC 2003/2005.

8groups -> 2groups -> Semis -> Final

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fjorgyn - Reply to #144

eswc 2005 was 4 groups -> 2 groups -> 4 players

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ini - Reply to #145

True but the important part was the 2groups -> Semis :)

By the way am I the only one missing imsg's?

Edited by svalur at 09:13 CDT, 7 August 2008

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fjorgyn - Reply to #155

no, everyone is

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ini - Reply to #156

:<

<< Comment #113 @ 03:45 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy

Said it before but.... K1llMAS !!!!!!!!! where is he!? get him!

<< Comment #116 @ 03:48 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #113

he'd fail just like nike ... nP~

Edited by [mash] at 03:48 CDT, 7 August 2008

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #113

Trying to fix his mouse?

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sinoXy - Reply to #177

thats k1llsen .. i want k1llmas - the only guy to be able to beat Cypher, like 3 outta 4 maps..

<< Comment #183 @ 10:44 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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tifu - Reply to #177

that would be killsen

<< Comment #118 @ 03:52 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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xoji

v4-keeper !

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fjorgyn - Reply to #118

playing CS

<< Comment #124 @ 04:35 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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eoe.d1ablo

Germany had 2 q3 slots from beginning.
actually it was slain3 who placed 2nd at eswc germany national final and should go to san jose. but like in other countrys, 2nd place had to pay the trip at their own and thats why slain3 cancelled. I had 3rd place but cant go due to personal reasons, so toxter had to jump in, because he was the 4th player who was, at least, registered for german naitonal final and he is able to go to USA at his own costs.

<< Comment #125 @ 04:46 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #124

so he's deffo going?

CPM players ftw!

<< Comment #133 @ 06:07 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #125

So cpm players have money .. and cpm isn't underground!

Whaaaat a bunch of noobs! Go play golf :p

<< Comment #139 @ 06:59 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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.syL - Reply to #133

Golf, plz, what are we, a bunch of underprivileged peasents?

We play polo, of course. Far more advanced movement and speed.

<< Comment #132 @ 05:55 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #124

not sure why germany keeps sending people after killsens ragequit at masters

<< Comment #136 @ 06:22 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #132

wasn't a ragequit, mate.
well, it was ofc, but i think he had some valid reasons.

<< Comment #129 @ 05:25 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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tokeh

where is the spanish qualifier?

phoenix 4tw!

<< Comment #138 @ 06:31 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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GUArd

hmm sad that BALTIC countries, doesnt have quals for q3, latvia estonia and lithuania.. 1 slot from these 3 countrys isn`t much yes?

<< Comment #143 @ 07:40 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #138

2 slots for big countries like the US and Russia is not much better, yes?

<< Comment #146 @ 08:29 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #138

this would be too ez for estonian underground community.

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Lisk - Reply to #138

:<

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MUNG>esh

chance doesn't deserve to be there. What has he done recently besides fly to Paris to lose?

Edited by esh at 07:22 CDT, 7 August 2008

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timmah - Reply to #140

He's American

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MUNG>esh - Reply to #141

I guess it makes sense in a way to fill out the field with people that they think have just a better chance logistically of getting to San Jose. Other than that I see no reason why he should be there. You would think he would fade into obscurity with cl0ck.

<< Comment #150 @ 08:45 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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koji - Reply to #148

he beat z4 at qcon

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MUNG>esh - Reply to #150

Wow, impressive. I didn't know ESWC was using Quakelive.

<< Comment #179 @ 10:37 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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koji - Reply to #153

and who would you rather see replace him?? ookk

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Gladius - Reply to #148

how did he get on the list again?

<< Comment #142 @ 07:34 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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madbringer

FUCK YES CZM

i'm a fanboy, what can i do :(

<< Comment #151 @ 08:56 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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xou

ArrW wasn't yet confirmed to replace fooKi.

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fjorgyn - Reply to #151

wasn't or isn't?

or rather, what is not sure yet, that fooki won't attend or that arrw will replace him? (spartie \o/)

Edited by fjorgyn at 09:19 CDT, 7 August 2008

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Nicky - Reply to #151

maybe he shouldnt be listed on eswc site then :P

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xou - Reply to #161

Yeah, that's why I didn't jump on all these names in the previous news : p

<< Comment #157 @ 09:26 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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jonte

organizer of libya told me the reason the qualifier was eventually cancelled was that this time of the year its just a little too hot to play quake. I can imagine!

<< Comment #164 @ 09:37 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #157

aircon? :/

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timmah - Reply to #164

In Libya ?

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Dird - Reply to #164

They dont even have electricity in Libya so no chance of air con. This is your basic Libyan computer:

Edited by Dird at 10:09 CDT, 7 August 2008

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Nicky - Reply to #174

lols a bit like the ESR server then :P

10%

<< Comment #160 @ 09:31 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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ini

IMO

Top Seed:

Middle Seed:

Low Seed:

Bottom Seed:

Edited by svalur at 10:58 CDT, 7 August 2008

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fjorgyn - Reply to #160

haha awesome, there will already be a lot of groups of death in the first group stage =)

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becks - Reply to #160

not sure about griffin and matr0x, but other than that I agree 100%.

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bsk - Reply to #166

Well, assuming it's a choice between Griffin, Matrox, Impulse, Hunter, Krysa and Strenx (winners of their national qualifiers), I think Griffin/Matrox have the greater overall q3 achievements. It is a close call though.

<< Comment #182 @ 10:44 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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ini - Reply to #166

Griffin and matr0x both won their national qualifiers and showed promise at ESWC Masters.

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bsk - Reply to #160

If I remember correctly, don't they usually have 4 high, 4 mid, 4 low, rest unseeded or 8 high, 8 low, rest unseeded? Either way we probably agree completely :)

If the former:

High: Cypher, Av3k, Jibo, Cooller

Mid: Czm, Zero4, Fox, Noctis

Low: Nike, Griffin, Vo0, Matrox

If the latter:

High: cypher, av3k, jibo, cooller, zero4, czm, noctis, fox

Low: Nike, Griffin, Vo0, Matrox, Rapha, Killsen, if-22, Arrw

<< Comment #173 @ 10:03 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #170

youre an idiot if you rank cooller above fox
also: arrw instead of matrox, hunter instead of nike cos nike did shit in GG

1%

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bsk - Reply to #173

Seeds, not predictions.

Cooller/Fox depends on your seeding method. If you heavily weight the previous 6 months, for example, then yes, Fox > cooller. But considering Quake 3 is only just reviving now, I think previous years (where potentials were realised to a greater extent) are just as important. This is why I went for the equal weighting method, and in that case Cooller has to be top seeded, being the most successful ESWC quake player of all time.

ArrW did not win a qualifier, Nike and Matrox did (aside from that, they're pretty much equal in achievements).

Edited by bsk at 10:22 CDT, 7 August 2008

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becks - Reply to #176

I believe nike also has better lan results than arrW, also I wouldn't say that he would certainly win the match-up, either.

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mfx - Reply to #173

Fox and Cooller are so different players it's impossible to compare them. Fox will be top4 for sure but he won't win. I mean, what was the last time he WON anything big? He's got serious mental problems imo and with attidute he's shown so far he WON"T win. He's still most technically perfect player in the world atm, without that he's just as bad as matr0x.

And you're idiot judging nike by performance in ONE tournament. Arrw hasn't won ANYTHING yet and you rank him above eswc russia/asus winner?

Edited by mfx at 01:50 CDT, 8 August 2008

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Dird - Reply to #203

k nike was a bit harsh maybe. styles are irrelevant though when trying to decide whos better. i probably play differently to cooller but since aaron can be me by almost 60 sometimes im guessing that i dont have much of a chance vs cooller.

fox >>

<< Comment #178 @ 10:36 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #170

i guess when there'll be 2 groupstages, they'll have 8 groups at the start -> 8 high seeds etc...

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ini - Reply to #170

They have 8 groups of 4 in GS1 so I guess they'll do H-8 L-8 U-Rest.

<< Comment #175 @ 10:11 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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mfx

well, apart from av3k, cypher, jibo and fox there are other players who can make it into top4:

1. cooller when he gets back to shape. still most talented q3 player, his game is not about reflexes and such so he can't "burn out" like others with age.
2. strenx if he starts practicing again. strongest shaft in the tournament, in cpma vq3 that's pretty much enough.
3. arrw if he gets some brain. best aimer in the tournament and with cpma vq3 being SO much about aim he got another chance to shine. learn some fucking maths dude and do some running to refresh your mind and loose some weight along the way :]]]
4. nike if gamegune was just a mistake. he still holds eswc russia and asus winner titles so unlike idiot americans, his fame is not based just upon online bullshit matches against other idiot americans.
5. czm, but unlikely. he got stuck by the wall he can't break without hardcore practice. yet I bet he got billions of other fascinating things to do apart from playing 10 year old game 10h/day.

<< Comment #185 @ 10:45 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #175

agree with everything you said, buy Cypher looks like cooller (in prime) with CZM aim (in prime)

<< Comment #186 @ 10:52 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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bsk - Reply to #185

Cypher does not yet look as good as cooller in prime.

<< Comment #191 @ 18:05 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #186

that could soooooo be taken the wrong way

<< Comment #199 @ 22:04 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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bsk - Reply to #191

How could it be taken the wrong way? That muscular physique! That powerful jawline!

<< Comment #195 @ 20:52 CDT, 7 August 2008 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #175

wow and k1llsen ?

He really could do something great !

<< Comment #205 @ 02:57 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #175

agreed with everyone except arrw & strenx. Altho both have a lot of potential and will probably do better then the masters, I can't see them improve drastically in such a short period.
I'd rather add noctis and killsen =)

Edited by Gladius at 02:57 CDT, 8 August 2008

<< Comment #200 @ 00:17 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Vlad-

I bet some of the pro players never made it back from QuakeCon.

Noone really knows what happened there ó.Ò

<< Comment #201 @ 01:23 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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erok

Would anyone else really love to see a IF-22 v BONO final?!?!

<< Comment #202 @ 01:43 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #201

two pussys colliding with each other? thats hot

<< Comment #275 @ 20:38 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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deathinfire - Reply to #202

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QpXMO6SZ50&feature=related

<< Comment #204 @ 01:58 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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mfx

BTW, anyone noticed that swedish player are liek... emo? I mean, they are all so depressed, their faces so unhappy. Fooki even during interviews looked so miserable, like a depressed man who lost faith in his abilities. Same fox. Even prozac and arrw doesn't look like happy kids playing games. I guess it is some global problem? I also wonder how you swedish guys manage to live when you got no work and you live only from gaming... And you don't win that much money apparently. Some time ago I've seen article about depression among young ppl in western europe. It claimed that there are thousands of sad, depressed young ppl studying endlessly and living quite comfortably becouse of socialistic system there. That's pretty sad tbh.

<< Comment #206 @ 03:04 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Nicky

iMsg me with the missing clantags please

<< Comment #207 @ 04:04 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Carpio

Top 10 predictions:

1. Cypher
2. Avek
3. Jibo
4. Cooller (although i hope he will place higher)
5. Fox
6-10. Noctis, Z4, Czm, Rapha, Nike

<< Comment #209 @ 05:17 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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dem0n

5 americans ? no fucking way this must be a joke...

It's been made clear the best duellers werent american (jibo, avek, cypher...) and there are way more better european players out there who deserve to be in that list... I mean 5 americans ???
Why did you even make US qualifiers then ?
May I call this favoritism, cheating, desperate attempt to have a bigger chance to have an american winning, or just plain dumbness ?

You could take spartie, killmaster or dno yet...

Stop cheating? You won't get any first place anyway, and Id be surprised if an american is in the top 3 :>

top 5 would be a surprising result actually.

Edited by Dem0n- at 05:21 CDT, 8 August 2008

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fjorgyn - Reply to #209

7?

<< Comment #212 @ 05:21 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #211

my bad, read 5.

<< Comment #216 @ 05:40 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #212

Not your fault, there are so many noobs from third world there... not really surprising no one can tell them apart.

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mfx - Reply to #209

looking at the bright side of it, we will see more idiot fat ass douche american dorks getting owned.

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f0cus - Reply to #214

Name 1 fat american in this list. Rapha? CZM? Z4? Chance? Or are you just another poor, angry, worthless piece of third world shit that tells themselves things like this so that you don't just find the nearest tall building and jump from the top of it?
Or does your country have tall buildings? Or just mud huts?

edit: checked your profile, and you're from Poland.
Yep, better just kill yourself now, noone from Poland has ever mattered. You're not going to change that.

Edited by focus at 08:03 CDT, 9 August 2008

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mfx - Reply to #285

raged, lmao.

I was joking, obviously. but you got caught and owned yourself.

and err, *cough* av3k *cough* ? if you know which sentence in your post i refer to.

<< Comment #287 @ 09:23 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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f0cus - Reply to #286

I meant in the grand scheme of the world, wasn't talking about Quake. av3k hasn't cured any diseases or invented anything that has changed the way most of the world carries out their lives.

<< Comment #288 @ 10:05 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #287

Hmm. So rumours about American ignorance and education are more than just rumours.

Ever heard about Copernicus? You know, long hair heavymetal-like fellow who lived back in the days, when there were no USA. Or ever heard of Battle For England? Or enigma codes? etc. It's childish, but you started it man :D

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f0cus - Reply to #288

You got me. Let me rephrase.
"...had one guy that contributed to the advancement of the human race 500 years ago".
Better?

<< Comment #290 @ 10:21 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #289

You have no idea what u r talking about.

<< Comment #291 @ 10:33 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #289

And btw, ppl make fun of you (us) becouse we matter. Have you seen anyone trying to rage austrians? Or ppl from Ukraine? No. Why? Becouse they doesn't matter here.

Also notice that Poland and USA have one thing in common: whenever someone makes fun of our homeland we attack them with massive spam of rageposts. You know, just look at Frenchies. Whole internet is making fun of them, "SURRENDER FRENCHIE!", you know. And what they do? They just... surrender :DDDD

<< Comment #293 @ 03:47 CDT, 10 August 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #291

Of course you matter, you steal our cars :((((

Edited by timmah at 03:48 CDT, 10 August 2008

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dem0n - Reply to #289

you obviously don't care about who did what 500 years ago since your history hadnt even started then :'(.

You're an european child anyway and Poland is in Europe. So we invented it all. Owned.

<< Comment #215 @ 05:38 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #209

CZM is practicing to win it. He said so at the quakelive audio cast when he phoned in. And zero4 wants payback from cypher, they were talking mad shit on quakelive with each other, i hope he trains hard.

<< Comment #217 @ 05:44 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #215

erm, did cypher take part in it or was it just zero4 acting like other americans (no hard feelings man, just facts)? i want some screens, possibly journal also on that matter. we just can't miss the drama due to lame coverage man

<< Comment #219 @ 05:47 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #217

cypher was owning him with insults, said he started quaking just to beat zero4, then zero4 was saying he's played quake for 10 years and wont lose to a youngin, then cyper said he started playing at age 12 so he has 6 years experience to match him... etc etc for like 1 hour smack talk

<< Comment #221 @ 05:50 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #219

LOVELY.

we demand journal/article/newspost/whatever!

<< Comment #223 @ 05:54 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #221

that was like 3 hours of warmup they had to do because the people on stage wouldn't let them play so they were warming up for a long ass time and just started chatting so its not on any demo or anything.. This sorta thing happened before, Zero4 was making bets with cooller whether or not he would beat lexer, right on the server before a semi-final, lexer was there getting laughed at by cooller, that was comedy - only difference was we had GTV and lots of people saw that.

<< Comment #226 @ 05:57 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #223

and you're 100% sure this fabulous conversation didn't survive in logs, demos, screens, whatever?

<< Comment #243 @ 06:38 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #226

i've seen some of it on the 1st map of finals, but i didnt get to the start of match, cause it was like ages, so i turned it off. but the chat wasnt anything malicious, from what i've seen.

<< Comment #270 @ 17:27 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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senzor - Reply to #223

Still from what u have written I can't see any insults from either side whatsoever. U making E-Drama out of the friendly chat?

<< Comment #271 @ 17:29 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #270

no way - its just a friendly rivalry

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dem0n - Reply to #215

I don't really mind for czm and zero4... They really showed some good stuff and they will most likely practise a lot for this... And we all know they used to be world champions... but for the other ones...

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becks - Reply to #209

So, if we Euros are so vastly superior, how come that z4's spot was actually decided between him and czm, cause other Europeans (arrW) didn't get as far???

<< Comment #213 @ 05:28 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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tifu

i just hope they all be there... AND THAT THEY ARE PRACTICING THEIR ASSES OFF JUST TO ENTERTAIN US!

<< Comment #218 @ 05:46 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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noctis

why does it have to be in america :<

<< Comment #222 @ 05:53 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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mfx - Reply to #218

don't worry, next year it will be in Poland

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noctis - Reply to #222

nice, i'll just wait till next year then

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mfx - Reply to #225

i've got nothing against you, but there are few big, fat, bad blokes in Poland who wanna see you dead. dunno why really, they had red eyes, they foamed at the mouth and kept repeating "tdm", "fake", "noctis dead".

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<< Comment #228 @ 06:03 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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noctis - Reply to #227

k, i guess i'll just stop with quake all together then

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mfx - Reply to #228

if you have no gf, no car, no job you're like invincible tho

<< Comment #229 @ 06:04 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Carpio - Reply to #225

What do you mean? You will not participate is San Jose?

<< Comment #230 @ 06:05 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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noctis - Reply to #229

i don't know yet

and my interest in going to america is very low

Edited by noctis at 06:06 CDT, 8 August 2008

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mfx - Reply to #230

is it four kings being lame or visa issues?

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noctis - Reply to #232

its america beeing on my list of countries i'd rather not want to visit and smth about eswc austria, which i can't say yet if its a problem or not.

<< Comment #236 @ 06:13 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Carpio - Reply to #234

Comon Noctis! I agrree with you about the US but dont miss this great tourney pls!!! We all want to see you play! And you have a pretty good chance to finish "in the money" And also a pretty good chance to be nuked :( For me USA is just not safe enough right now. Unfortunately. :(

Edited by Carpio at 06:21 CDT, 8 August 2008

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mfx - Reply to #234

interesting. how come you don't want to visit mighty u, s and a?

<< Comment #242 @ 06:35 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #237

he's afraid of the fat girls.

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xgo - Reply to #237

u s of a

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sinoXy - Reply to #234

wtf noctis :( come play mang. If you get first or 2nd MFX will suck your dick

<< Comment #254 @ 09:50 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #234

mixing up international politics, stereotypes and reality, are we?

<< Comment #255 @ 10:19 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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noctis - Reply to #254

my reasons are my concern.

<< Comment #264 @ 15:06 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Vo0 - Reply to #255

no no it's esr's property.

<< Comment #267 @ 16:08 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #255

oh do tell, we love gossip

<< Comment #276 @ 20:53 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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deathinfire - Reply to #255

you know, people as white as you have no chance of being sent to gitmo

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<< Comment #280 @ 04:35 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #255

just to differ from the other answers: :p

Sure you do, but only boring people make up their mind about something different instead of trying it ;)

<< Comment #282 @ 04:55 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #255

World War II is over.

Get over it

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Gladius - Reply to #234

it's only for a few days man, pls do it for every true q3 fan! =)

<< Comment #273 @ 18:58 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #232

4kings are the fucking shit

<< Comment #247 @ 06:55 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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tifu - Reply to #230

ffs man, your going there to play quake fucking three, not for sightseeing :(

<< Comment #248 @ 07:03 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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miracle - Reply to #218

cmon noctis, you'd give us a hell of a show, that's for sure :)

<< Comment #220 @ 05:48 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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mfx

eswc - alibaba - nochance -bobo - dkp - matrix - spammer + fazz + k1llmaster + question + nobap + skill_for_czm + skill_for_cooller > eswc

Edited by mfx at 05:51 CDT, 8 August 2008

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miracle

what a list!!! hmmmmm

<< Comment #251 @ 09:17 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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dOce

Phoenix should be there...

: /

<< Comment #252 @ 09:47 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Spart1e - Reply to #251

yes indeed. his shaft and ztn skillz <3

<< Comment #257 @ 13:25 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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stuntz

Well Portugal should have a qualifier too =P

<< Comment #258 @ 13:41 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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random99

fox will win it. or czm.

if i keep repeating this often enough it might actually happen :)

<< Comment #281 @ 04:36 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #258

you've got lot's of work to do, get on it!

<< Comment #266 @ 15:41 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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meat man

Dont forget Mojo!
:D :D :D :D

<< Comment #272 @ 17:45 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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stunt.us

sponsor WALTER for ESWC 2008 FINALS! DO IT!!! LET's SEE AMERICA's GREATEST DUELER IN THE ESWC FINALS 2008!! GO GO GO!!

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<< Comment #278 @ 22:16 CDT, 8 August 2008 >>

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Jazzy

Id much rather Hardcore E-Sport Pr0 Gamer for ESWC America Arktik take part.

<< Comment #279 @ 02:01 CDT, 9 August 2008 >>

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sinoXy

Was watching zero4 and czm practice games.... not looking to good lol... :(

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vkl - Reply to #279

of course not, sorry but i liked them both back in the days....but now, they don`T stand a chance! period!

<< Comment #295 @ 05:09 CDT, 12 August 2008 >>

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uniiity

Apparently zik can't make it ; his sponsor ain't willing to pay for the trip

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Nicky - Reply to #295

bet they would if it was cs, not fair

<< Comment #297 @ 07:30 CDT, 13 August 2008 >>

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fjorgyn

arrw got removed again from here

Edited by fjorgyn at 07:30 CDT, 13 August 2008

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vkl

i am pretty sure, k1llsen won`t attend, he isn`t even online anymore!

20595 18:25… @k1llsen: ich habe dieses jahr n ziel/plan
20596 18:25… @k1llsen: und wenns nicht klappt
20597 18:25… @k1llsen: binsch weg

Edited by vkl at 14:56 CDT, 13 August 2008