I have a hard time convincing myself that we'll see another Quake game again. After the cluster fuck that is/was QC I'd wager the bean counters at Zenimax aren't going to green light another one, and Id being what it is nowadays.

Yeah, not sure if we really want it ;)

open sourcing some games and driving it by community would be probably better.

But I think I would like to see singleplayer Quake

What do you mean driving by community? You can have a pickup channel and few servers driven by community. And you've got them already, in any quake game you want. Do you expect "community" (actual people who have jobs, family, other obligations) to host servers for thousands of players, organize pro circuit, sponsored tournaments etc?

At this point it wouldn't be driven by community anymore. Something like driven by organisation(s) like in pro sports, or scbw in korea rather than game publisher sounds more plausible.

I just do not expect anything "big" as multiplayer anymore.
Just polished game as a singleplayer and maybe MP with mod tools to let the community handle the rest

What? Quake Champions has been a HUGE success for bethesda/zenimax/id. Economically, which is all that matters.

Do you think they give a fuck about the purist's opinions on some corner of the internet? They don't.

They even keep pumping moneys in the QPL, ffs!

There 100% WILL be another quake, single or multiplayer. The title is still full of juice to be milked.

The title is still full of juice to be milked.

How does one milk juice?

By squeezing the orange titties

What? Quake Champions has been a HUGE success for bethesda/zenimax/id. Economically, which is all that matters.

Hello sib is that you?

Compared to any BR game.... QC is probably small in terms of money.

Making some BR game for consoles makes more sense imo

Why should we compare to a br game? Why not to card games, then?

Listen, it's very simple: Quake Champions brought in boatloads more moneys than it costed.

It was designed from the beginning to be a low budget cash grab, that's precisely why they went after cheap low buget Saber company to design the crappy engine, the characters have 0 originality and are straight lifted from other, much more successful games, the bots are dumber than 1999's quake ones, etc etc etc etc.

Despite all of this, tens of thousands of boomers and kids kept literally throwing moneys at their screens.

Every first week of the seasons you see people running around with level 100 vanities, got trought buying and spamming xp potions and straight levels.

When that wasn't possible, countless dumbasses were straight buying the crappiest, most jarrying vanities.

And for mthe first months QC used to cost 35 dollars, and tens of thosands of people paid that sum.

QC brought in millions, all for an engine developed by a z tier software house for pennies and kept running by a "team" composed by 10 people at most (lately likely 2 or 3).

Huge affair. Much more successfull games haven't been this remunerative.

lol

some shitty mobile game probably earned more money than QC haha

And had 3 times the budget haha

The point is that biz types are always looking for untapped opportunities.

QC appears to have been a massive low-hanging fruit payoff, comparatively for its very small investment, in a niche.

Some biz types were looking for an untapped niche, and they found it and reaped some profits. They'll probably be back for more.

We wont see a new Quake in our lifetime. The time has come to find our way to get the fix we need.

R.I.P Quake

+ brutal fate (by brutal doom team)

graven and wrath of ruin are somewhat spiritual sucessors to q1 imho.

Wrath: "Fueled by legendary Quake 1 technology, the veins of WRATH pump with the DNA of revered '90s shooters. WRATH embraces the timeless elements of classic titles such as DOOM, QUAKE, DUKE NUKEM 3D, BLOOD, UNREAL and HEXEN and carries them into the 21st century. A shooter developed by KillPixel and a set of “Quake scene veterans,” built on the game engine from id Software’s original Quake. "

Graven feels a little bit like Hexen/Heretic

Ok Graven is more heretic, but I informed myself a little on the game, a lot of the mappers happen to be from the quakescene ... so it has some quakish look to it

Ion' Fury's mouse input is very bad.

DUSK is very short, unchallenging, levels are all completed within minutes, secrets are found within seconds, and the movements are not so good, enemy variety is basically 5 enemies, PUs are useless, no replayability.

AMID EVIL and WRATH are ok.

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of buying Wrath first.

Wrath runs on Quake 1 engine (modified), made by the same person who developed Darkplaces engine (Q1 engine fork).

Dusk is so pretty tho.

dusk is a complete shitgame ... u see how much power marketing has with this game

Maybe Diabotical, Reflex and I'd software could learn something from DUSK lol

But who needs marketing for afps games when you can release QL with Loadouts for steam haha

Anything id Software releases gets free publicity because they're a well-known developer with an existing audience. Video game "journalists" will cover anything id Software announces because that's the home of Doom, Wolfenstein, and Quake.

Indie studios on the other hand... It's very hard to get noticed today. So many games being released, so many high-quality indie games, too. The video game industry is bigger than music and movies combined. It's massive. And you have studios putting in hundreds of millions of dollars into games.

2GD actually did a fair job marketing Diabotical, imo. They had a successful Kickstarter (that's not too common) and they had huge streams on Twitch for dev updates. I saw 2,000+ viewers on 2GD's stream regularly. It doesn't seem like a lot, but when you compare that to other dev streams, it's quite good. Satisfactory, for instance, is pretty popular (7k concurrent players on Steam) and I've seen the dev streams at ~2k viewers. And most notably Epic picked up Diabotical as an exclusive, and provided funding for Diabotical dev. I can't imagine that's very common for indie games.

Reflex, sadly, never broke through the noise. Their KS failed, they went to early access Steam and had a fairly quick death despite having a really well-made engine with lots of modern features. They had a few somewhat big streamers play Reflex a bit (DraQu, ddk, Vo0, and some others), but not much else to spread the word.

Yeah, I agree. The one thing I'm not sure is marketing of diabotical on the release. Was it there or overall noise was bigger during the beta?

Yea, I think the marketing around the launch was not as good as it could've been. The KS video was great and helped to give the game some personality.



But then the launch video was pretty vanilla. It wasn't bad but lacked the personality of the KS video. I think that was a missed opportunity.

They had a few somewhat big streamers play Reflex a bit (DraQu, ddk, Vo0, and some others)

I'm out of touch with this--they're are somewhat big?

"Big" was probably a bad word. Maybe "known" or "recognizable" would've been more appropriate.

DraQu is pretty popular in the FPS speedrunning community, though. He had a world record for DOOM (2016) at one point. He's got 53k subscribers on YouTube. Some of his YT vids have >1 million views. He's usually got ~200 viewers, but he's had >500 viewers, sometimes.

Vo0 also gets ~200 viewers on Twitch, but he doesn't stream very often anymore. He's sometimes had >500 viewers. DDK is probably the smallest streamer (~50 viewers, last time I checked), but he also has a wide audience since he plays a variety of games, casts for CSGO, and known in the AFPS community. Sometimes gets >200 viewers.

That's fair, thanks for the overview.

I think you're selling the beta period short. CDNthe3rd played this game for like over a week during beta and he averages several thousand viewers regularly. In addition, AceU (7-10k twitch regular) streamed it a few times. Even Shroud and XQC both played it. Even team Liquid's CSGO coach streamed it. To be honest I think they got more big name streamers/personalities to play this game, than id Soft paid for sponsored streams.

The game itself just didn't stick, the marketing itself was pretty good during beta, I remember people fighting for keys during the streams. People were actually selling the Beta keys themselves.

The fact that they shut the game down that long after Beta was a big factor I think, although there were likely others. It really killed the hype. I also think the lack of map variety for Team modes was lacking.

Are you talking about Reflex Arena or DBT? I was talking about Reflex Arena in my post.

imo diabotical failed hard when they stopped the possibility of playing the beta right when it was gaining popularity in the begginings of the covid shitstorm, it never recovered that level of activity afterwards

It would go down anyway.

maybe, we will never know

There have been too many mp shooters, dusk was one of the first retro fps, in 2 years there will be too many sp retro shooters, I mean there was this retro 2d sidescroller phase 2012-2017, then the rogue lite phase, you can go retro only once ... who can still release a diablo clone other than blizzard, try release a LOL clone now ... see what happened to doom 2016 without the doom brand behind it -> rage 2 ... thats why blizzard is developing three diablo games at the same time instead of putting out a different arpg with different name

HAHA Thanks bro I lolled pretty good at this fuckin' righteous burn

I wouldn't call it a complete shit game it's a cool little game but not for 20 freaking bucks. Also the supposedly fun 360 degree free vertical motion is only "useful" in water where there is 0 fighting.

It surely has been over hyped by Civvie 11 and al.

Dusk is an unfinished game. The single issue are the enemies. They are only a handful, one dinensional in every way, from single, lame sounds they make, to stupid ai that poses no challenge to horribly lackluster animation.

If someone would do proper enemies for Dusk as an add-on, it could actually become good.

yep, dusk is even worse than doom 1, enemies are so uninspired,
this game would have been some bad doom clone back in the mid 90s and be forgotten in a month

Wtf are you talking about. Dusk has a fun little movement system comparable to strafejumping, whereas Amid Evil has just nothing.

And Amid Evil is piss easy on the highest difficulty setting whereas Dusk highest difficulty is "1 hit = death", which is fun.

We didn't had the same experience then because I found DUSK had 0 challenge (on highest difficulty) since you move so fast without using side strafing.

And you found Amid Evil more challenging than Dusk? :D

No! :)

e: by the way devs promised coop mode, gonna buy a four pack when it's released even tho I don't like DUSK solo as it's too easy and al it might be fun carrying friends around as long as difficulty is scaled by player numbers (increased).

You say thatDusk isnt ok because its too unchallenging and the movement is too simple.

At the same time you say that Amid Evil is ok tho even tho it as challenging as dusk, or even less, and the movement system is even worse than Dusks.

Those contradictions make it impossible to understand you.

I never said that. Why do you make fake quotes? That's weird.

I just paraphrased you. I used quote to seperate the two contradictory statements that you made. You are right tho, it didnt make much sense from my side. Let me fix that.

saying that with this kind of grammar is rich ;)

*Godzilla Had a Stroke Trying to Read This and Fucking Died meme*

Point out what u didnt understand then ;)

What's wrong with Ion Fury's mouse input?

It's a fantastic Build engine game. Maybe you're confused because it's 2.5d and it's impossible to look at your feet

Build engine has terrible mouse input, it's floaty and unprecise, this has been the case since Duke 3D and no engine fork managed to fix it contrary to GZDOOM, altho GZDOOM has very bad default mouse settings (accel and not 1:1 x,y axis sensi).

Vanilla Build Engine yes.

source ports like eDuke32 has great mouse input.

Unless they managed to fix it the last couple of years eDuke32 also has this mouse input delay. It has to do with how the engine queue the input after the frames and even tho I talked to ION FURY's devs and they managed to untie mouse input from frame rate in the last update it's still far from bearable for me :/

Anyway I have a few friends who played it and loved it almost as much as if it was two decades ago and playing that new Duke3d game. I'm sure it's a great game.

e: typo corrected

Xonotic and Warfork are also still kicking. Warfork is mostly more traditional but still has some nice additions to make it distinct like wall-jumping, as well as game modes like Bomb and Defuse. Xonotic is definitely a lot more adventurous but it still maintains the same core arena FPS gameplay.

Rage 2 is free on Epic Store btw, that has gone fast, wasnt this game released like last year? :-)
Anyway, even if its free, its still a shitgame

Try to play arcane dimensions q1 mod, or the xmas jams for q1, 2018-2021, they are better than 95 % of boomer shooters, also mission pack scourge of armagon for q1 is better as well

Yeah, I'm playing Q1 from time to time.
The thing is it's good that it is becoming a trend and some of them even adding multiplayer.

Maybe finally we will get some good games ;)

Still waiting for a Hexen re-make after 90234 years. ((((

Nothing will ever be the same.

Not sure if you really want it "the same" ;)

Enjoyed both DUSK and AMID EVIL. Would recommend both. Looking forward to the full release of WRATH.

I think you can add HROT also to your list. Came out a month ago on early access.

added, thanks :)

Waiting for Ion Fury's expansion and Shadow Warrior 3.

Haven't tried Hellboud, WRATH: Aeon of Ruin, or AMID EVIL but they look like they might be fun.

I really wanted to like Dusk but... I don't know, felt like an alpha.

Hellbound is like a $1 bargain, not worth playing since it's really 11 levels short, same 4-5 weapons as in the survival mode. and is 1 hour short. don't buy it unless you get it on sale for a really dirt cheap price.

I've got a few "boomer shooters" on my watchlist/whishlist :
Nightmare Reaper
SPRAWL
Viscerafest
Core Decay

added :)

back in the day there was just duke3d and quake, maybe dark forces and half life, now there 20 shooters a year coming out for a specific sub genre of fps ... and they are not doing anything better, not even in the graphics department

But I wonder if any of these looks any better from
https://www.moddb.com/mods/arcane-dimensions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5F2BL1Hyjo

lol

If by "booming" you mean imploding, absolutely. All those games combined struggle to reach 3 digit playerbase.

shhhhhh :P

Imagine all those guys thinking they gonna big make big money :-)
Only wrath of ruin will make some money, because they were first, rest will sleep under a bridge

doesn't look like boomer shooter but will post anyway https://store.steampowered.com/app/1561540/Ship_of_Theseus/

+ https://www.psymetry.com/

Got to say this Psymetry stuff looks cheap af :P

POSTAL: Brain Damanged https://store.steampowered.com/app/1359980/POSTAL_Brain_Damaged/

in the list already ;)

might've mised it then.

Doombringer
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArenaFPS/comments/m4bbmg/doombringer/
31 march 2021

oh, this is good

says Jan 2021 on steam but ye, it's not out yet

https://www.indiedb.com/games/doombringer says 31 march 2021

Got my steam beta test key from here https://discord.gg/0kvtFwf2JCnfGuBo played vs some players and bots, it is pretty fun as a indie game. Also I'm interested in single player

sample Duel
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/939545464?t=02h49m04s

Thank you. Quake 3 really was something else, wasn't it. It's been 22 years (with the public betas) and still inspiring clones. Will buy

"Necromunda: Hired Gun (An indie FPS in the Warhammer 40,000 universe) is fast-paced and brutal, giving you endless options on how to engage your enemies. Wall-run, double-jump, use your wrist-mounted grappling hook to rush towards, disarm, or avoid enemies – and that’s before your upgrades. Everything from your brain to your legs to your pet dog can be enhanced as you gather money from your contracts.

Your cyber-mastiff is your only true companion—half-dog, half-robot, and ready to kill for you in exchange for treats. He warns you of enemies, can insta-kill them with a bite to the neck, and generally watches your back. In return, you can keep him hale and healthy with the best augments money can buy."


https://store.steampowered.com/app/1222370/Necromunda_Hired_Gun/

https://www.focus-home.com/en-us/games/necromunda-hired-gun

Trailer https://youtu.be/ziassooWe48

°_°

Dread Templar
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1334730/Dread_Templar/

Nail & Crescent; a Quake 1 inspired total conversion for the Quake 2 RTX engine, with an emphasis on tools and resources for community map/mod making.
Twitter https://twitter.com/nail_crescent
Teaser https://youtu.be/BIOJ6QURT5k
Discord https://discord.gg/9FNqVWCkF6
Media: https://imgur.com/a/ygo8H6k

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArenaFPS/comments/mf...onversion/

Multiplayer

"Yes, N&C has multiplayer, but even if it didn't, the engine is build on networking. A singleplayer game still runs a server locally, and connects to it. So it has to work properly either way. The only difference I've found is that it seems locally the UDP packet sizes do not matter and so it doesn't take any special code for larger frame packets basically :P "

Turbo Overkill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=varoEJiaxjo

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1328350/Turbo_Overkill/

guess this is the first game that combines this running & gunning fps genre really well, at least in the trailer, guess there still needs something it with a bit more tension

this is awesome

I do like this visual style a lot, but the music sounds like Doom Eternal ripoff.

In my opinion, what games are missing today is real PvP.
All multiplayer games are team games. People fear failure, preferring the responsibility to be passed on to the rest of the team.
Even Quake 3 has been played 1 vs 1. How many 1vs1 games are there at the moment? I know two and both of these games are RTS games
Star Craft and Age of Empires 2
I'd love to play some real PvP shooter

Quake actually does not have fun team mode and it is one of the problems why it is not popular

I agree with you that there is not so many 1vs1 games, only few games from rts, afps, fighting genre or chess

AMID EVIL
RTX + DLSS 2.0 NOW AVAILABLE

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/67313...0328797534

So, anyone already playing DOOMBRINGER?

I am about to pull the trigger

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1154830/Scathe/

Painkiller?
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/a-ne...velopment/

there seems to be playable version of graven out there, but videos showing the bad enemy AI really put me off, not sure why they release the game in such a bad state, they are self sabotaging themselves imho.

Alkaline map pack for quake 1 released, such a great map pack,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J9UYEJ9jbE&lc=

Dread Templar [ from WRATH publisher but better ]

and HROT r c00L <3

ION Maiden is very cooL even got a DLC