any news on financing?

He said that he wants to launch kickstarter and depending on the outcome get some publisher's financing. He also mentioned some crazy, illegal stocks idea.

didn't watch the show but financing games sounds like a great way of money laundering lol. Furthermore that particular industry is eligible for government aids on some countries and all sorts of taxation ahxahxaxhax because of its complexity.

go moscow5 use your illegal credit card money on 2gd's project, not some gaming team.

or more realistically, this should be one of those huge fundraisers that is promoted by e-celebrities all over the place. With some creativity you can get some big names since everyone played quake, like notch (the minecraft guy. Imagine an in-game ad for the kickstarter) and obama obviously is a quaker.

My name is Barack Obama, and I approve this kickstarter

Wow, looks awesome!

If the very same images had been presented as being new models for Shootmania, everyone here would be saying the exact opposite!

"OMG, these modsl look SHIT!" etc etc

That shit's got more polygons than a QL map... looks cool and all but I have a slight sensation that this level of detail on a player model isn't the best way to spend one's time (and therefore money) on a competitive arena shooter... unless it really is just "concept art" to be used for promotional purposes and nothing else

He specifically said that he wants to have only few models because you don't need more in competitive fps but they should be really impressive for promotional purposes

You model in high detail and render the textures out from it. plus its a supposed to be a concept sketch.

I would prefer to see something more ironman in appearence...
http://www.briggsphoto.net/wp-content/uploads...lpaper.jpg

http://blueslogo.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/3d-ironman.png

clean lines, good for hitting, too much detail and its gonna look messy in game.

the back of the head for the 1st model is a ironman rip off

jamerio is right

you make an ultra high poly model to bake out the normal maps. this gives you basically a texture with fake lighting effects. from there you can go down in polys and have the detail come in through the textures.

here's an example from wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...xample.png

this goes from 4 million ot 500 tris but doesn't lose that much detail

Do not tell p0rt!

http://esreality.com/post/2359900/re-far-cry-...pid2359900

p0rt doesn't know what he's talking about...what a shocker

Thus the magic of using bumpmapping/normalmapping and adding parallax mapping if your computer can handle it.

The models will most likely be made high poly to make a normalmap rendering then edited down to a lowpoly model around 800-1200polys or so.

So it really isnt an issue as the eyecandy will still be scalable imho.

the interior is fucking awesome, but the exterior kinda ruins it. makes it look fat. though, I assume it's unfinished

Why is it not green?

yeah, why is it not green with envy or sumpthing tsss

but seriously what's up with size 6 feet? wouldn't it just tip over from all its weight?

#doubleguns

#homerun

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Give me this game now.

this is awesome as fuck.

the "interior" gives you a great base to work from and then just have multiple "exteriors" like a thicker one that best represents the hitbox, or maybe one that has some sort of "fins" on the sides to make it a nice flat target, or a thinner one that uses less screen real estate for teammates etc.

from this model it looks like there are some very talented guys working on this and with a modern business model and a game that is promoted appropriately for 2013/14 this could be something big.

I'm mildly excited for this :)

yes get over excited about this shit :D

bashing of RB will be such a nice view

Its really nice to see something! I think it looks really damn good!

I wanted to see what it would look like with green bright skins, so I made a couple of quick mock ups in ps:

It will defo be the second one.

First looks better.

Would be better if the plating would cover more of his body . There shouldn't be so many gaps where we can see screws.

You will have to pay for more plates. LoL microtransactions style ;)

bright model stolen from sm... tbh expected

-_- not sure if sarcasm

Nah, he's just dumb.

I want tankjr with keel sounds(

want slash with mynx boobs

That's because you didn't saw Lucy's ones.

You surely mean Hunter's, and not Mynx's disgusting silicone tits.

i want grunt and athena sounds from q2 :P

This is awesome. I really hope you can adjust more about your character than only the appearance.

The thighs are a bit thick with armor on for my taste. Makes it little too feminine/clumsy, rather than slick.

nice spot

It's crap, too high poly.

Shitty comps nowadays can run q3 on 125fps stable but this seems like something that outdated hardware cannot handle. Optimization is very important in a competetive game, so this is completely wrong way to take this unless there's some solution to make it less hardware intensive.

Dude, this is concept art. Later a lowpoly model of this is created, and the textures from this are baked on to it. All models in games are created in extremely highpoly initially. This is not crap, this is perfect!

+1

Many of the little details will be made into materials for the model is my guess. It is hard to make a "2D" material for a 3d model without modeling it. Especially when it is so detailed.

I hope you are still able to force enemy team colors, the skins the teams make for themselves can be visible by spectators and thus tournament streams etc. But the hypothetical progamer me would not want to play against a white model when against SK Rapha, an orange model when playing against fnatic.Strenx and a purple model when I'm playing against M.cypher.

You always go from high to low poly in character modeling. Read what was posted above.

Fair enough, I just hope it'll be customizable enough so I can disable all the useless GFX candy (if there will be any).

ahh so it will look shit like ql, and play like ql... maybe just play ql then?

new shinny graphics is the only thing that can attract new players after all these years..

There's no reason it couldn't be both good looking and customizable enough to make it look like shit.

Nope, 2GD will clearly make it 60 fps cap and require you to play it at high textures. He's never heard of picmip or competitive graphics.

...fuck sakes.

Who knows? I'm pretty sure he isn't the one coding it. :)

Also big fat sponsor might wanna do that so you can't run it on older hardware and gotta buy new one.

Its fine, those polys are only there to get the material/bump data etc to make the textures for the low poly version. See #7 & #12

Dude, this is concept art. Later a lowpoly model of this is created, and the textures from this are baked on to it. All models in games are created in extremely highpoly initially. This is not crap, this is perfect!

...or people could get with the times and get a modern computer that isn't from 2002. Even if you have a crappy job, computers that can play basically any game from the last few years (on high detail) are totally affordable, even way more so than years past. I know that this is an incredible shock to those who play nothing but games like Q3 from 1999 and think that the WMO represents the pinnacle of input technology at the present day, but it is true regardless. People need to realize that it isn't 2001 any more and the lowest common denominator (some eastern European with a Pentium 4) cannot always be the baseline for everything

You can do good looking shit without making it hardware intense, it's called optimization.

Bulk em up, or else it will be tiny mans running around like in Shootmania -_-

AND where is TITS ?????????? (((((((((((((((

robotits

Robot they say...

What i expect:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GPiuUpFgfaI/ThXoNIo...zi_02a.jpg
What i see:
http://www.scifiartist.com/blog/wp-content/up...krobot.jpg

Play Hawken instead!

I am! That game is LOL :D

Why would a robot wear a hood? Some stupid shit lol

because it looks cool? :-)

u mad cuz the robots a thug in da hood ?

thug life

the feet...

What I said is comming true: Dumbed down Q3 with GIMMICKS.
Gimmick number 1: customizing your models.
I just hope this crap is just client side. Who the fuck wants this shit on a competitive fps? Everyone is going to play with bright green models so who cares?

q3 gimmick number 1: custom models

q3 has custom models...

Probably it sounds a little bit obvious but i think he means customizing details of every model.

Such is the life of the ESR aspie.

youre the biggest aspie this site has ever seen. dumb on top of that

derp

i remember him saying he'd like to implement this a long ago, it's good for casuals because getting raped doesn't feel so bad if you can collect hats at the same time, pros can put sponsor/team logos on their models, etc
it seems to me you already decided it's going to be shit and want to convince everything so

he and melkor want reborn to be a qw clone

I never said that you dumb fuck. I just said QW is a good game.
For me it would be a Q3/QL clone with updated graphics instead of a dumbed down one with gimmicks trying to attract 12 year olds. The game will fail anyway and it will be played by hardcore players so you might aswell make a good game for the hardcore player.

qw is a good game with 5 players

I said it's a good game, didn't mention how many players play it, so yes QW is a good game.

do you want reborn to have 5 players? make a qw clone

I want Reborn to be a good game before worrying about playerbase. The other way around is how you end up with shit games.

the other way around you end with 5 players

QL is good and doesn't have 5 players.

it is not profitable and it is not a long term solution

A game that is shit and profitable isn't the solution aswell.

I think both of you are right to some degree.

What you're both missing is that the game needs to have a decent middle ground between big playerbase and skilful distinctive gameplay.

There's no point in playing a shit game with literally thousands of active players (LoL, DotA etc) just as there is little incentive to play a game which otherwise offers some enjoyable gameplay but doesn't have an active playerbase (cpm, wsw etc)

did i miss something, or do you have the same knowledge about the gameplay as me? (~nothing)

No, I stated 2 objective facts:
QW and QL are great competitive duel games, objectively speaking (amount of players doesn't represent quality)

you also said that it's going to be a dumbed down quake with better graphics and worse, gimmicky gameplay
which you have no reason to assume, at all, since you haven't seen anything except these models, which probably won't even be used ingame

But i've heard 2GD, which basically said "we have to dumb down the movement because people is lazy and need insta gratification and will not spend months perfecting it"
This character customization thing = gimmick
A shitty game awaits.

what's wrong with instant gratification. Only a handful of people really mastered q3/ql movement (I haven't), while 90% of players have no clue so it's a burden to them instead of a good thing.

That it delivers shit games.

Hey you cunt, I said this in another thread and you didn't [+] me!

Competitive FPS might not need more then a few models, but what 2gd seems to not be getting at all is that the people do not play games because they're competitive, they play because 1) they're fun, 2) not hard to get in to, 3) get an easy game going with their friends, 4) they have nice graphics. If he keeps pushing RB in this direction, it could be the best game in the universe, but still more niche and with less players then Quake.

What's annoying me the most is (at least in older 2gd RB rants) that he wants to make a game with spotlight and competitive focus on 1v1, where no one gives a fuck about dueling anymore aside from 200 people on ESR. While it might be fun to watch, it won't really make the game more attractive to anyone but the Quake crowd, and the Quake crowd is already playing Quake.

Basically, however it turns out, it ain't gonna be any more successful then BLC, and specially not more successful then Quake.

I have to disagree with a lot of what you wrote.

The way the industry is shaped today you basically have 2 concerns when designing a multiplayer game. you either care about sales, go down the COD route and pump out a new iteration of your game every year or you make an effort to have as many players who tried your game keep playing it. A significant part of why players keep playing a game instead of jumping to something new is that competition is a very powerful instinctive drive. Comptetition isn't only going to lans to play the world's best, it can also be improving from bronze to silver in SC2 ladders. Obviously it's imperative for the game to be fun and ease of access should be a given these days (wink wink id software), I also agree that appealing visuals are a factor.

Mentioning a focus on 1v1 to the broader public is IMO a smart move, since it's the mode most associated with quake. 2GD can promote this game to the less knowledgabe players by pointing out the high skill and intensity that can be observed in well produced vods, some even with him as a commentator or player. It doesn't on the other hand mean that TDM/CTF won't be a polished mode, just that it's the best choice for him ride the duel train in terms of promotion.

I also have to disagree on the potential playerbase. Brood War has been a niche game in the west for a long time, the amount of players may have been bigger than quake's at this point but a niche nonetheless. Now look at how SC2 has revitalized, or reborn if you will, the franchise and to some part the entire genre from a competitive viewpoint. I can't see anything indicating that this can't be done for the arena-fps genre as well given that the game has a modern infrastructure around it like SC2, LoL, etc.

Of course I'm not saying that it will be a success but saying that it won't have a chance is stupid and foolish.

I can tell you 90% of the SC2 players playing the campaign, UMS, 2v2-4v4 with friends, vs bots etc, _and_ since theyre into the game probably sometimes going to watch some tournament on streams. The games graphics not good but alright, and it could soak up every player that liked BW and W3 for legacy reasons, not to mention all the WoW / Diablo fans checking out aswell since its a Blizzard title.

Not a good comparsion imo. If all SC2 would have to offer is 1v1 laddering the game would be deserted by now. All that and the game still cant compete neither with MOBA games nor COD in popularity...

Your broodwar & sc2 comparisons are out of place, brood war was a national sport in Korea. A NATIONAL SPORT. Being a Blizzard game and as such having a shitload of hype surrounding it based off of Korea success and selling the dreams of being an e-Superstar to every white nerd...Only way sc2 could have failed is to be done by some other company under some other name, basically to not be related to starcraft in any possible way.

As far as 1v1 goes, no, it's not a smart move. Quake and all similar arena games should be presented as team games. You can't play duel in team with your friends, duel is too hard to get in to, and is usually not fun at all with so much item management to take care of it feels more like a 9-to-5 job then playing a game.

All the successful fps titles in previous years were team games, CS, halo, etc. Quake concept of elite 1v1 ego shooter has been long dead. Get over it.

it's not out of place because I specifically said it was a niche in the WEST, last time I checked Korea wasn't anywhere near what people consider the western world, there's a reason it was a NATIONAL SPORT not an INTERNATIONAL SPORT, you know.

I agree that a lot of a game's success can sometimes be attributed to a developer's reputation. It doesn't mean that a game from a new studio can't be popular because if it were true we would all still be playing Atari games.

you could make an argument that any game is hard to get into, what seperates popular titles from quake is that quake doesn't offer an infrastructure that takes care of newcomers. Whether id likes it or not, ladders and skill based matchmaking are now the industry standard hence quake live was outdated at release, period.

Please elaborate how any popular 1v1 game is popular although you can't play with friends or how SC can be popular with all that macro, man it sure feels like a 9-to-5 job pumping all these units out. Your argument is complete BS and you know it.

still the sucess in korea gives starcraft a lot of press coverage and a positive social touch (only in appearance though, because you can't understand it as a human still being evoluationary in level 1 of life, i.e. stone age)

it's all marketing, success in korea ...
there are so so many other rts games out there ... why don't they have success ... in the end sc2 more or less only copied sc1 ... they did not do much better ... some better graphics, some little variations in units, that's all ...
try to answer why there are so many other rts games that failed on the market, but starcraft did not ...
you won't find any reason that is related to the better quality of the game

there's lots of rts games that failed on the market because there's lots of games that failed on the market because there's lots of bad games. the rts genre has a whole host of wildly popular games, do your research

are you ignoring the obvious on purpose?

sc2's success has only brood war legacy to thank, the only reason west has exploded with sc2 is the fact that you had these mythical players in korea, being gods among men and everyone caught on to that and waited for the next iteration of sc to come and make it happen everywhere else.

and do you not understand that 90% people that bought starcraft2 DO NOT CARE ABOUT ASPECT OF MACRO, MICRO, BUILD ORDERS, ETC?

they play for fun, they play campaign or occasional games with their friends. majority of players that bought sc2 does not play ladder and is not competitive.

and yeah, you can't play 1v1 with friends. you can play against friends, and if you have more then 1 friend, the others have to wait for 10 mins doing nothing, watching 2 other guys play. that's not fun, that's boring. games are played by majority to have some fun, not to become good at them.

your argument applies only to people frequenting places like ESR, TeamLiquid, etc - which are marginal numbers when you compare them to amount of people actually playing the game.

EDiT:

TL;DR version - 90% of people don't give a fuck about competitivenes of a game, they play for fun. Competitive gaming is a niche itself and doesn't represent the majority of people who play games.

yes im ignoring it because it's naiv not obvious.

yes in an esports sense sc2 has had it easy because everybody from bw and wc3 jumped ship and it was built well enough to swim. however I don't define a game's success by viewernumbers but by playerbase and to think that 99.99% of players care about the legacy and the status of players in korea is just beyond naive.

yeah, well they don't care about macro, micro etc but 90% of quake players care about item control rather than just shooting around some? wtf? please decide which part of the argument you stand on and come back to me.

do we agree that sc2 1v1 is popular or not? because you argue like no one plays it. since well watching 10 minutes of quake is more exciting than potentially watching 45 minutes sc2.

I don't see how my arguments apply only to eSport site regulars yet your arguments rely on the games being popular because the entirety of the playerbase get hyped by esports promotion ( yeah that korea argument suddenly turns against you, who would've thought)

Also, people do care about competitiveness, every single one, it's human nature, capiche? In all my years that I've sat down with someone to play some street fighter, quake, chess or any other game that is not a co-op game I met haven't a single person that didn't care if he got beat. YEAH THAT'S COMPETITION IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED. People also care about their ladder rank just by it being in their face, or their character level or their win-ratio. Just look at how "un-eSporty" CoD is yet people are obsessed with their kill-to-death-ratios, that's competition. they don't need to read ESR or TL to be competitive, they are by nature.

how do these two things coexist in your weird mind?

sc2's success has only brood war legacy to thank, the only reason west has exploded with sc2 is the fact that you had these mythical players in korea, being gods among men and everyone caught on to that and waited for the next iteration of sc to come and make it happen everywhere else.

and do you not understand that 90% people that bought starcraft2 DO NOT CARE ABOUT ASPECT OF MACRO, MICRO, BUILD ORDERS, ETC?

DM has become a niche,
the early days of quake will never come back,
accept it

as much of a niche as rts have become before the release of sc2 in the west. yet somehow this scene could be revitalised.

I never said it will explode on the scene like sc2 or that the arena-shooters will ever see a rennaissance for that matter.

all I'm saying is that there's not a single arena-fps out that is on par with the industry standard and that other previously niche genres had success when they got a new game that was brought up to today's standards.

sc2, lol, street fighter, etc these games are not popular because of some mystical korean culture propaganda bullshit, it's because they are good games.

lol, street fighter and sc2 ...

man since street fighter ii back in 1993 or something nothing changed, there is just some graphical draw over and that's it ...
I don't know there other games like virtua fighter that must be equally good by now ...

lol at sc2 man ... you know the game warcraft 2?
sc is basically a warcraft 2 in space, with 3 instead of 2 parties ...
sc2 is just a more modern sc1 ... wanna tell me that command & conquer and other rts games are not equally good ... some old game with some graphical draw over from 1995 or something ...

sorry I am not so much into rts and fighting games, so I don't really know the titles they compete with ... but I played street fighter iv and starcraft 2 ... and I really can't make out much of a difference to their predecessors ...

so you wanna tell me that since 10 years plus the other companies are not able to suceed their game design? This is just beyond ridiculous, sorry

sorry I am not so much into rts and fighting games, so I don't really know the titles

I know you make it painfully obvious.

Yes there's lots of competitors for street fighter now and there's been many over the years that have come and gone and every single one of those even had major tournaments. What exactly are you trying to say?

Saying that SC is WC2 in space is ridiculous and just dismissing a huge difficulty in game desing that has put SC2 lightyears ahead of it's time like that just shows how much you know about this. If you ever played WC2 you'd know that orcs and humans have been a mirror of each other, every single unit or structure has an exact counterpart on the other side. Now, do a mind experiment and go from 2 mirrored races (so de-facto only designing one race) to 3 uneven races, this is a HUUUUUGE difference in game design.

man since street fighter ii back in 1993 or something nothing changed, there is just some graphical draw over and that's it ...

It's beyond me how you can read my posts where I rant about what makes a game modern (hint: online multiplayer, matchmaking, ladders, community features, etc.) and say such a thing.
If anything your post proves my point, street fighter hasn't changed much apart from the infrastructure around the game and it continues to thrive. Quake did the opposite, hell the current quake is one from 10 years ago recycled with little more than a server browser and a chat client around it and it's not even close in popularity.

so you wanna tell me that since 10 years plus the other companies are not able to suceed their game design? This is just beyond ridiculous, sorry

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying, although the RTS genres has had lots of big sellers like the total war series or command and conquer, not one has ever had the multiplayer polish that blizzard games had. Why do you think blizzard keeps releasing balance patches for games that have been released for 5 years or longer, no other game studio could justify that and besides they probably have released one or two sequels within that timeframe. Going back to my original point how you either have to make players keep playing your game for a long time or just push out games in quick successsion, blizzard has actually planned SC2 as a mixture of both now that I think of it, they release the SP campaing and the bigger MP rebalance as a trilogy.

Just want to add something to think about.

The eSports landscape actually shows us that multiple titles from the same genre can coexist if they're built well like LoL, DotA 2 and to some extent HoN or SC:BW and WC3 in Korea or even street fighter, marvel vs capcom, super smash brothers or dead or alive. Considering this you could assume this is another piece of evidence that no studio could match the blizzard polish in the RTS genre.

there are still 2 natural resources in starcraft, just like in warcraft,
you have to build energydepots to build more units, you have to build upgrade facilieties for classes of your units to upgrade armor, attack ...
o.k. they have made different races (in wc2 only the magicians were different I think) ... that's the only thing they improved in starcraft ...

what you call modern, i.e. online play is not necessarily true, there exist ports for playing street fighter ii online ... you were able to play warcraft 2 online in mplayer or something ... anyway, being able to play online instead just in lan is not what I'd consider modern (back then the technology were not so good, nowadays it makes absolutely no difference if you design a game for lan or internet) ... multiplayer, matchmaking, ladders are just standard features that any game intended to be played in multiplayer should provide ...
I don't really know about community features though, is there any social network provided by capcom/blizzard, or a big forum with moderators by capcom/blizzard? I guess the scenes just gather in scenesites ... not in the official portals. .. I played diablo 3/sc2 in battlenet, but there was not really some kind of scene ... some kind of esports portal providing commentated matchvideos, interviews with players, socialising features ... not just some forum list with topics ...

these games lack and dumb down ... even q3a was a regression ... they use machinegun instead of blaster/boomstick, to let newbies have some frags ... no aircontrol ... at least in ql they integrated some double jumping and bunny hopping by now ... this version of quake is at least not anymore dumbed down that much ...

yeah there is coexistence ... people play cod, halo, left 4 dead ... titles that really challenge you to the max in terms of player movement, weapon choice, positioning on the map, etc. (this was irony) ... dumbed down *newbie friendly* games have taken over multiplayer and singleplayerwise games have been dumbed down to console gamer standards with their xbox controller ... anyway why do you speak of dota 2, even though it's not released yet? for now I think there is only LOL in this type of genre ... what is LOL? some kind of multiplayer diablo, only because dota was some warcraft mod does not mean it has anything to do with rts games ... it's more some diablo pvp ... but your start out as teams and your chars have to build up experience within the match ... it's good, it's different ... but how are LOL, DOTA2, HON different? They're all just dota clones in the end ... given that the terrain is just flat, you only have limited movement possibilities with point and click movement, these games differ as much from each other as all the wow clones ...
in fps games you can still create unique environments, change movement possibilities etc. to differentiate out your game ...
but in rts or dota or also street fighter like beat m up games you can't do this ... all the same, marketing dictates what you will buy next of this gamegenre ...

do you get it? even if it was the only thing they improved it still was a fucking huge change that hasn't been seen in the genre before. You argue like there's been huge difference in FPS games but its still walking and shooting, and trust me designing fps weapons is a cakewalk in comparison to what you face when trying to design an RTS.

jesus fucking christ you don't want to get it do you? obviously only play alone doesn't make a game modern, it was one of the things I listed as changes in the SF series compared to SF2.

I don't really know about community features though,

ok, we're back at "I don't know", what a shocker.
yes blizzard for example provides the ability to create and join channels in battle.net, so basically they provide you with an ingame, cross game IRC, there's also forums, interaction with community through youtube videos to show off new stuff, communitcation with the community (no secrecy about features), you also have eSport news on the blizzard sites to have people tune in for streams.

casual players that couldn't give two shits about esports don't organize in forums or on scenesites but they might enjoy the social and community features directly built into the game client.

these aren't even the bigger points, IMO it's the integrated matchmaking that really sets these games apart from quake live. A casual player after a long day of work doesn't want to look around for ages to find a good game, he wants to hit the matchmaking button and be in a good (read equally skilled) match.

You stated like 5 times already that you don't know about other games than quake. To have the nerve to say "I don't know about them but they dumb down" is something special.

What you're probably trying to get at is that games in general are designed to be less challenging these days but IMO the games that are selected to be played at esports tournaments are not. That's where the beauty of matchmaking comes in, you can either dumb down games like CoD or Halo does and have a low skillcap, or you can provide a matchmaking service have a high skill celiing and just have bad players play with bad players instead of mixing them. There's some aspects of current esports titles that have been dumbed down especially in SC2 or LoL but it hasn't broken the game.

Why not mention DotA2? this game might be in beta but it already had two $1,000,000 tournaments and quite a following. SC2 has already been huge in beta also why leave these? Oh, QL has also had IEM tournaments during beta.

Where have I said lol or dota is an RTS game? dota and it's clones have spawned a new genre, most people call it MOBA.

Marketing doesn't decide what game one will buy, there's plenty of enormously bad sequels to very popular franchises that just couldn't sell because the game was broken/bad.

It isn't. See Hawken, COD, Halo, MWO, PS2, etc those are all DM games at their core.

Lol @COD, Halo, MW2 ...
these games are different sort of fps ...
these are the wargames fps, I don't really know their exact genre type, but I played these titles myself ... and they don't have much in common with titles like quake, unreal tournament, warsow ... it's just a very different type of fps ... they don't have these common things like item pickups, powerups ... many different weapons ... how many weapons can you hold in these games at one time, about 2? your health recharges when you are long enough off combat? ... their arena is some kind of open territory ... quake-like games have many corridors ...
no, these games are not dm games ... they are just different ...

I don't know hawken, but it looks interesting, because at least it seems to have some jump n run elements in it ... quake has also jump n run elements like bunny hopping, double jumping, strafe jump, rocket jump ... things that cod halo completely lack ... but in hawken there also does not appear to be any ammunition/health/powerups lying around ... and the maps seem also to be more open areas ... so not what I'd consider classic dm like quake or unreal tournament ...

EDIT: jusy wanna add that there are many vertical differences in the maps in quake/ut whereas in cod-games you more or less just fight on one flat ground ...
all in all these factors make classic dm much more complex ...
nowadays games are just adapted to low-iq console n00bs ...
and just because they represent the majority of gamers it does not mean that I have to agree with them

I don't know why you posted this comment. There are many forms of deathmatch. DM based games are wildly popular. Just because they aren't Quake clones doesn't mean they aren't DM games.

do you know that the term deathmatch was invented by idsoftware?
with games like cod, halo, hawken a term like deathmatch honestly just makes no sense

I think he doesn't know that deathmatch is a game mode not a genre

Yeah, yeah.
RPG has become a niche, bla bla bla, then Baldur's Gate came.
Logic puzzles have become a niche, bla bla bla, then Portal came.
Sandbox games have become a niche, bla bla bla, them Minecraft came.
Etc.
Just how dumb can people be to not be able to separate game's genre and its actual gameplay and design? Game in any, even the most esoteric genre can be incredibly popular if you don't force it to be boring crap.
E.g. why is Warsow unpopular? Because it's a hardcore FPS? No, because their developers made series of incredibly poor design decisions, so that first thoughts of new player who runs it is "WTF is this" and "fuck it, I quit" after 5 seconds. They haven't even thought the game through the eyes of new player, so almost no newcomer has courage to even play their first game because they are overwhelmed with nonunderstandable crap surrounding them.
And why is Portal popular? Because you just hit "Play" and you completely understand what to do. And then by the time the tutorial part finishes, you are already so immersed in the atmosphere that you want to continue, even if before you didn't felt that puzzles are particularly interesting to you.
This all has nothing to do with genre whatsoever, just basic design of game's introduction and careful testing on beginners.

Tell me, why there can't be competitive 1v1 hardcore shooter that is: 1) fun, 2) not hard to get into, 3) can give you easy game with your friends, 4) has nice graphics?

Really impressive for the first bit of artwork we have seen.

hm, not sure if kickstarter would work for a game that is ultimately intended to be free to play?

that's the idea of kickstarter/indiegogo/fundraisers: giving money away

true but if you look at some of the succesful gaming-related kickstarter projects you'll see that the by far largest chunk of backing comes from reward tiers that offer you a copy of the finished game upon release - which regular customers will have to pay for.

yeah but it's still losing money. A dinner with 2gd does not cost 5k

Found nice textures

Does anybody know who's the artist?

add model with picture from player around head - funny

hell yeah like in quake 2, think it was Tank that just attached a human face to his own metal head? something like that but with a photo $$
...maybe a bit too gory of an approach for a spectator game like this though (where QL adds sparks etc :@)

whats the point of all that shit when you just have a plain sheet covering all the internals anyways

stop wasting time and take the ultrono arena approach & give something to play...you can replace the sphere with some shitty UT99 quality model (nice Xen copy) later after some gameplay is there

Xen? UT99? Really? SHUT THE FUCK UP DIRD

1v1 or stfu

2ez

DON'T U TELL DIRD TO SHUT THE FUCK UP, U DO IT OR I'LL DIRD U

:@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Be

agree. models are highpoly generic, gameplay is prob just gonna be q3 clone. might as well make a basic concept demo to tweak gameplay settings and see if it will fail hardcore before putting 2 years development into it.

think there should be an option to just replace models with a moving hitbox w/ gun model and a smiley face on it.

If you're gonna trash talk UT99 at least do it right. It's Xan, not Xen. Idiot.

the cod + lol kids call the whole genre halo-shooter

for some reason these kids only want mature games for mature 16 year olds like themselves (games with 20 different/samey awesome assault rifles)

the call quake "halo", because it is using colors

I'll keep on playing quake, let's see if this rb is going to go anywhere..

It's hilarious how many people are whining about model customization. Don't like it? Then don't use it!

Stuff like this does attract more "casual" players, but that does not hurt gameplay in ANY way. All it is does is attract players, which is something the Arena FPS genre needs. It's funny how people are calling it "dumbed down" when all you know about it is that it has an additional feature. That is anything but dumbed down.

And remember, if it's not 100% like Quake, it's wrong! /sarcasm

>Stuff like this does attract more "casual" players

For the better part of five minutes, after which they will either let the game collect dust or return it.

Stuff like this that does little to attract casual players. It's like hoping someone will get into chess because you've got 'cool' pieces (e.g. Mario Chess Board)

You are so clueless. All MMORPG, MOBA and F2P FPS do this, it attracts new players and gives them something to aim for (oh look if I play 5 more games I can get this cool new Hat for my Scout in TF2, aso.). Ok in most of those games the items actually give you some kind of bonus effects but still, it's mainly the collecting-addiction (the one that made Diablo such a bestseller).

seriously if it doesnt have an organized attempt to have proper teammodes at launch with everything that they include, as a hardcore quaker since -96 and a big fan of 2gd, i wont be buying this and none of the guys that i've introduced to QL wont either. focusing on duel = FAIL

did u not watch? he said in the meeting that it won't focus on one gametype.

He also sort of confirmed that it's going to have defrag.

Buying? If this is not f2p it wont stand à chance....

I'll play this game picmipped anyway, so i don't care about the high detail or LOD, as long as it's visible.. and yes i approve that customization idea, nice to differ yourself from other players.

Looks good. But I'll try this game even when it is not the most cutting-edge.
That is, if Sasp... ehrm... QLSupport is willing to unban me. Otherwise I won't.
Although, on reflection, I'll try anyway, maybe boycotting id on my own isn't going to be that effective.
Ah well, I guess QLSupport is doing their best and I have to respect that.
But it still is a major bummer not being able to play.
Winter's Edge is calling out to me in my dreams.
Just like Adriana Lima. Never cheated on her either btw.

You'll thank me later.

Well, eh, I'd like to thank you in advance.
But eh... for what do I eh...
(Means I don't really get it)
Got something to do with old and wise and stuff?
I Hope not. :-)

I guess, he hints to create movies and (probably) being unbanned afterwards, like ZeroQL ;D

Hah, I only later noticed that his reply was a link. Pfff. Must be the wine.
Well, I've been checking it out, but I wonder how making movies is going to prove me being a guy having only the best intentions for QL.

Btw, I've been following your recent posts closely.
Ive been backing you up in your nov. 22 2012 post (comment #80). How is your status now? You've been putting a lot of effort in proving yourself. Which states that you really have a heart for Quakelive. Many could learn from that.
I hope you are being able to play again?

Err, I don't recall that post right now, (perhaps a link could help), but I noticed that you commented also on a few things, ty :)

Status: Still banned.

I don't worry about playing QL. I am worried that in other gaming communities my nickname will be connected to this unjustified ban. Maybe I will write a followup journal entry, but I can't estimate if and when.

Making movies and being unbanned afterwards is like a mockery towards ID, because ZeroQL has been unbanned, after he has done a few fragmovies, as sort of community work. I guess that is what Anhedonided is referring to. I can only question that, and this belongs to another topic, not this here.

Also QL doesn't have a connection with RB imo, they are both independent, so if you boycott one thing, you don't need to boycott RB.

A little off topic, but here the link:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2348232/quakeli...tput-imba/

Sorry to hear you're still banned.

About the connection between QL and RB, and my comment about a boycott, I was just kidding. Dutch humor, I guess.
No, I like what id does very much*, id has brought me many hours of fun, besides QL, all the Doom, Quake and Wolfenstein titles. I'm gettin' old i guess. I remember I've played Q1 (singleplayer) with a match (you know, to light a fire) clamped at the freelook-button to constantly press it , for constant freelook. Hehe. I thought I was being really smart there. Well, it worked perfectly though.

So it would be kinda stupid to sit here behind my pc, mighty busy boycotting id, and in the meantime staring dumb at a black screen -like a mouse looking out of a haystack, or more like a deer looking into the headlights of a car- totally convinced that there must be some id boss out there who's at any moment gonna say: "Hey, that cool dude is boycotting us, so he's probably been banned from QL for playing very often without paying (or so), which we shouldn't have done, let's take some action and grant him access to QL again".

Wouldn't it.
Thanks for your explanation btw.
Hope to be shooting you again one day :-P
(Before you take this last one serious too, remember the Dutch humor.)

(* Except for the ban of course)

... i like the model ... and the concept of it ... but as an artist and somene that has draw alot of people... ... OMG his feet!?! they look so small \o\ /o/ ... his feet should visualy bigger, even if they might be to the specs (the lenght of the forearm)

edit: ... didnt realized they know. Keep up the good works chaps.

His feet and calves are simply wrong.

hehe he looks like he needs shoes...





... goddamnit av3k.

He said on stream that below the knee hasn't really been worked on yet.

aa tnx, didnt saw the stream... any link to vod or what day was that tuesday special?

http://www.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/347217419
It's about 3 hours in. He talks about financing it and an office before then too.

Apart from the feet, that should be bigger imo, it looks fucking great.

Some nice work for concept art. Proportions are a bit skewed and I see no reason why robots should have toes. Still, very impressive for a first look, much more than I expected. The iterations to follow will only improve. I'm ready for this game.

so RB will be duel only ??? or can we look forward to some tdm/ctf pwnage as well?

2gd did state it was gonna be more modes to cater new players as well =)

you'd have to check the vods with meeting about this but its there somewhere on their twitch channel.

Wait, why is everyone saying ctf and tdm r necessary. the biggest and most popular mode in his genre is ca. thats whats needed. rb wont be duel only btw. imo tdm and ctf r boring. id rather watch cod 4v4 snd. thats how bad it is. tdm is terrible for pubs. ya i suck. but this shit is truth son!

clarify how opinion is truth, son

So ur saying ctf and tdm r more popular than ca? i speak the truth ok? Why? Because im american. land of the free. we do not lie mmmk

tdm is terrible for pubs.

that is opinion, not truth.

I'm also american, land of the fatties. most lie a lot.

Americans dont lie. we listen to 2chainz. he gotta song called no lie

Lol, makes me think of a guy named B. Clinton...
Something with cigars.
I think it's important for developers to put energy in attracting a broad range of players to keep a game running. For that, you need different kinds of gameplay. But not too many different levels, not too many different weapons. Easy to learn. Still, hard to master, to keep it challenging.
'Behold the monotony!'
Yeah. So, to kil the monotony, bring some diversity to the game, by being inventive and throw in mods on a regular basis.
I know, that's what they are trying to do in QL.
But in QL, I do not get the feeling that much effort is being put into it. There are so many options to make a game more diverse.
But at this point, they are slowly moving every real fan into the position of having to get premium or pro subscription, to be able to play the games they want.
But taking away all the good stuff from standard players, scares those players away, and makes the game less and les attractive for new folks to join. So QL will end up with only a few addicted pro players (of which I would've been one weren't I banned mistakenly).
Forecast for 2020: Not good.
For me, being slaughtered by Yakumo, Trajan, Medixza, fz, my good ol' fast typing buddy Meadows or any other respected (european) player, never was a reason to quit the game. They only made me try harder. So I think different skill levels are less important.
I myself just hope this new game won't be very different from Quake(Live).
At this moment I'm 'forced' to hook up with other games, like Xonotic, which is fun too, but it made really clear to me that it's really annoying to have to learn everything all over again. Movement, weapons, levels, favourite settings, even friends. The whole shabam.
However, there's a difference between choosing for something else (like Av3k) and being forced to.
Only, my opinion is just one out of thousands.
But of course, my opinion is the most important one :-)
Most important message: receive new players with open arms, and show them the respect that they deserve. Ultimately, it wil pay off. It's not that hard.

kinda looks like gort from the 2008 version of The Day the Earth stood still.

ability to turn into a world eating swarm of metal locusts not included.

Looking good imo (except the lolsmall feet). Would like to see how they behave ingame.

i want a model with a huge dong....make it different from other games

Can the model just be a huge dong?

extra cost option, £0.35

Possibly add a female robot and a fat robot models, but as long as we can force it like cg_forceenemymodel or w/e the fuck it is these days

Fat robot? Special for american gamers u mean?

grease.

Fuck yeah! ... america!!

Female robot? Really? You do understand the concept of a "robot"?

http://utunlimited.beyondunreal.com/wp-conten...ah-032.jpg

Stupid comment? Really? You do understand the concept of a "model"?

Sure, but I don't think we should stop there. How about afro-american robots and asian robots? You do understand the concept of "textures", right?

u drunk?

I think he's just making a simple reference that robots are gender-less

like his mother

which was obvious like the absence of sense in that statement. It's like to say that dolls or the lego-mans are gender-less.

Only if the dolls in question represent something gender-less, you know, like a robot.

wich even is a pointless statement.... robots can be gender-less, like not; but he was like sceptic about the fact they in fact, can be gendered.

What's so confusing about a female robot?

How about SHEMALE robot ? Or gay robot... this game must be tolerant to sexual minorities! will be +1000 to community numbers in gay-tolerant Europe

concept playermodels renders are the easy part. exporting them into a game with animations, sounds and all the rest is the hard part.

not really, you can practice, by making custom libraries of clothes, and make custom player models for Q43A

http://www.esreality.com/post/2353519/far-cry...pid2360089

if someone pissing around with a stock skeleton

why is he made out of soda cans?

Coca Cola sponsorship, or it will be easier to animate.

Coca-Cola vs Pepsi
red vs blue... keep that thought

not the stuff i expected :/

look at this one:
http://jossdiim.deviantart.com/art/Guardor-3d-robot-136074147
just some random art from deviantart, and it looks much better imho
=]

goofy

Portal gun with hends and legs? ahahha...its so funnen i kent it potats)))

gay.

I would never play a game with models like this

Fuck robot / future / spacecrap!
Bring gothic / blood and gore!
\:D/

No... At least not for Reborn...

you can do both, mech are part of the real goth world, borgs are everywhere and on every other album cover or hidden in a roses eye

http://m.ammoth.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/20...e.com_.jpg

they are every where, most goths are programmers and digital artists and hackers and stoners, if they aint listening to death or grind

Steampunk looks aweful

Steampunk looks fucking awesome if done right so shut the fuck up pls :). I would love to see an Arena FPS done completely in steampunk-style.

*Edit* On a side note to p0rt: Like Snap said, this has nothing to do with cyborgs in gothic-environment, it's steampunk a completely independent art-style and world. That's what gothic means, or if following your logic it's this, but that's called "Cybergoth".*Edit*

steampunk is as bad as cyberpunk. The only steampunk thing I sort of want (iranian president face) is a keyboard.

Hey, it's your opinion and I respect you, even tough I don't agree with it :).

that is just some shit building any asshole can do if they are good artists... the other pic is just some jap in a normal day


gothic art is all the gothic posters, all the goth shops sell

http://uk.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/50/MPW-25012
http://static.oneposter.co.uk/image/zoom/113209.front.jpg
http://www.panicposters.com/media/catalog/pro...tshade.jpg
http://www.1art1.de/images/imagel/g//g52932.jpg
http://www.metal-shop.eu/images/produkty/thumb/62590_1.jpg

most of the artists are goth, and just their art, to go with the state of mind and life, not people who listen to pop music and faggoty hiphop

goth artists to those that last, full scene pictures usually have small detail hidden away

Your mental illness is beyond my understanding capabilities...

no, artists can come up with many things, the state of mind does all of the small detail that makes it fit the genre

they are digital artists, they just paint on a pc screen instead of canvas, the only thing that is easier is gradients

it is like tatoo artists all listen to metal etc etc etc, and do all metal logo`s and signs

goth art is including mechs, cyborgs etc etc etc, there is a thing called new age goth, goths are just christians with the more obssessed view of death and the end of the world is near

You would be an amazing subject for psychological studies. Your mind is so twisted and bend that it's almost making my head hurt.

you see teens and butt rogers of goths, and the past and tedius shit,

goth is a way of life, goth shops dont sell posters that have nothing todo with them, its everyday goth art they have on their walls

you are all gay with lame picture usb frames showing photos etc etc etc

artists and paintings all still exist, painting on your PC and making a full scale poster is just the same as oldskool oil paintings

oil painting artists do the same old lamescape

digital artists do fantasy sci fi stuff

artists, its all the same, some cheese dick can make a game and make you say wow, because your a gamer, it has none of the small detail that makes it art


all the small detail comes from the artists state of mind

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2008/025/c/...le_art.jpg

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/211/6/...rimono.jpg

http://images.elfwood.com/art/l/o/loneanimato...013667.jpg

http://static.oneposter.co.uk/image/zoom/112564.front.jpg

http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lghr19070.jpg

http://www.donotyet.com/ext/images/2010-01-01...Poster.jpg

gothic posts, gothic artists that do them, mix them all together

You make Adam Lanza sound sane.

there is a school shooting in the USA every year, all done by different walks of life

teenager goths grow out of it after 23, going aroun dlike a sack of shit that needs a slap

most people grow out of listening to metal that are middleclass, they die when they start getting pissed and the brain starts stepping into what its all about, then your just harder then die hard, and 48 anadin extra and your ready for action

Never thought that I would say this, but thanks Jamerio for moving his attention to you :D

your a middleclass boy who thinks your it and tires to impress your moms thinking your all I.T, forgetting about the real world and everything that was before the middleclass got computers

Ok just for the sake of keeping you busy with throwing out puke in typed form.

Where did you get that I'm from a middleclas family?
Where did you get that I try to impress anyone "I.T"?
What the fuckedy fuck should "I.T." exactly be?
What was before middleclass got computers?

And he's still going!

most of the good fantasy scifi digital art is gothic art of today instead of dragons etc

Focus on making some newschool guns, movement model, maps, graphic concept (something what is really cool! like a robots in pos-apocalyptic world or something - just not some random stuff)!
Make the game as simple as possible, and don't fuck this up! please

looks like 2GD shook hands with the Pixar guys :O

Wonder if that was ZBrushed...

I know its a robot and all, but does anyone else feel the feet look too small to be proportionate.

When I first saw this thread I wanted to see how it looked like in fullbright so I played around with it a bit, a friend told me to it post so here we are...

modified reborn fullbright skin

Gotta love fullbright :bb

I'm in no way affiliated with the studio that is making reborn, this is just something I did for myself and if the studio wants me to take it down I will. :P

PS. If an mod wants to incorporate the image in the post then go for it, I don't know how.

somebody do the christmas reborn robot model!

awful piktur))) i see u spent hoers of work in photeshopen ;)

hoers¿¿ deys))

Woudnt mind if the proportions and armor where more gears of war or ut2k3. Either that or something more Unisex.
Animations such as the ones in ut2k3 woud be nice too, nice looking but not to much.

if they fixed the tigh plating, it would look pretty bad-ass realistic robot-gladiator for me. fuck cartoons.

Wheres the kickstarter? I almost didnt buy anything during this steam sale so I still have some money to burn on videogames!!

Indeed! Im so hyped for this game! I want to buy a kickstarter now! I cant wait until I can play this endlessly!

Do anyone know when there will be a kickstarter? If there will be one?