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Dreamhack Winter: av3k wins QL 1on1 (192 comments)

( Major News: QL)

Posted by Badb0y @ 15:34 UTC, 27 November 2009 - iMsg

Event: DHW09

If you missed the Quake Live 1on1 tournament from swedish DreamHack Winter 2009 on thursday/day 1 you can still watch some recorded VODs on ustream.tv and levelupyourgame.

Playoffs schedule on friday/day 2

Four players are left in the tournament, the starting matches will be

stermy vs

Z4muZ and

Cooller vs

av3k. Because of Z4muZ mouse problems and sound problems from Stermy the matches will be slightly delayed. djWHEAT.tv and Quake-Live.tv wont be streaming today but LevelUp jumps in with

Slasher on the mic and also

2GD &

Joe from ESL TV will shoutcasting the final match.

Schedule

Match details

Final standing

1st: Maciej "av3k" Krzykowski - 2400€
2nd: Alexander "Z4muZ" Ihrfors - 1455€
3rd: Anton "Cooller" Singov - 970€
4th: Alessandro "Stermy" Avallone

Live Streams:
- DreamArena.se with 2GD & Joe from ESL TV, Justin.tv, DH-Justin
- LevelUpyourgame.net with Slasher, c.zeroboy.net/lvlup,

#lvl^
- GameSports with gS-Jay

Coverage:

fragster.de - Groupstage, Playoff - Photo gallery Thursday/Friday/Saturday - Interviews dkt, madix, Z4muZ

sk-gaming - After game statements on video -1- -2- -3- -4-
Justin.tv - VODs Grand Final with 2GD & Joe
LevelUp - VODs friday with Slasher (howtoplay)

Demos:
Grand Final av3k vs Z4muZ
Demopack various

Related links:
Thursday/day 1, Seeds & Groups released

Edited by xou at 00:12 UTC, 22 June 2010 - 71212 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 15:48 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

GrotesK

will z4muz pull through with his washington sniper keyhole rails or will av3k put a polish hooligan stomping on him?

Attached Misc File: 72667-72663-z4muz.jpg (123KB)

Edited by Badb0y at 03:58 UTC, 28 November 2009

<< Comment #2 @ 16:03 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #1

ms 3.0 to eternity

<< Comment #4 @ 16:09 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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unihumi - Reply to #2

ms 3.0 to eternity

<< Comment #30 @ 17:08 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #4

And beyond....

<< Comment #10 @ 16:18 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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tbone - Reply to #1

I think awesome. Either way.

<< Comment #16 @ 16:43 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Six16 - Reply to #1

Ms.X?

<< Comment #102 @ 21:31 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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netrex - Reply to #16

I'm very certain it's not.

<< Comment #162 @ 09:48 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Six16 - Reply to #102

It kind of cud be if u squint ur eyes a little

<< Comment #63 @ 17:59 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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baron Railgun - Reply to #1

excellent haircut is there

<< Comment #6 @ 16:10 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

"slightly delayed"? OK!

<< Comment #3 @ 16:06 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

MadLag

how fucking long do we have to w8 for that final ? ; /

<< Comment #5 @ 16:10 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

unihumi - Reply to #3

about three hours left

<< Comment #7 @ 16:13 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

roffo

Is the fucking game starting soon? FUCK

<< Comment #8 @ 16:16 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

uNstoned

wow av3k actually joined the server

<< Comment #9 @ 16:18 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

r1ddler

well,while waiting for the final,i have to say,Joe isn't half bad :P

<< Comment #11 @ 16:20 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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uNstoned - Reply to #9

yeah, i'm sure aunt sally would be proud.

<< Comment #32 @ 17:09 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #11

Yummy a cup of tea and a slice of cake aunt sally!

<< Comment #13 @ 16:41 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Anonymous (mm-79-219-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by)

demos?

<< Comment #12 @ 16:39 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

frozen`

Congratulations! You have been awarded E$1099 from a winning bet of E$600. Click the fixture link below to see the results.

DHW09: Stermy vs Z4muZ - Z4muZ

From ESReality
Congratulations! You have been awarded E$1477 from a winning bet of E$500. Click the fixture link below to see the results.

DHW09: Cooller vs Av3k - Av3k

<< Comment #18 @ 16:56 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #12

how dare you bet against cooller? i lost most of my money but at least i didnt sell my soul

<< Comment #47 @ 17:31 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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tbone - Reply to #18

xactly.

<< Comment #68 @ 18:11 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Mitritch - Reply to #18

Me too, lost my last ESR bucks...

<< Comment #14 @ 16:41 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

euclid

did they just say fatal1ty is shoutcasting? .....

<< Comment #15 @ 16:41 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Lethe

epic dreamhack.

<< Comment #17 @ 16:54 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

euclid

yes fatal1ty, tell us your entirely relevent and interesting opinion.

<< Comment #72 @ 18:19 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Jazzy - Reply to #17

no, you tell us YOURS

<< Comment #19 @ 16:56 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

ScanX

is it me or stream is shit and lagged every 10 seconds ?

<< Comment #24 @ 17:06 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Anonymous (cpc2-ando3-0-0-cust677.sotn.cable.ntl.com)

Av3k is just a kid, how is this possible :D

<< Comment #20 @ 17:03 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

azmo

av3k won 3-0?

<< Comment #21 @ 17:06 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

GrotesK - Reply to #20

av3k by brutal polish hooligan stomp (3-0)

<< Comment #22 @ 17:06 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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brAkki - Reply to #20

Yes, he did.

<< Comment #25 @ 17:07 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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bsk - Reply to #20

No, he won 2:1, since the real final was against Cooller.

:/

<< Comment #34 @ 17:11 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #25

Ive gotta watch this cooller person some time and see what all the fuss is about, seems to be 50% hype though, at least.

<< Comment #50 @ 17:34 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #34

80, atleast.

<< Comment #61 @ 17:47 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #50

Good thing I wont have time to watch him then, gotta admire his pinup pictures though.

<< Comment #67 @ 18:10 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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skint ' - Reply to #61

youve seen his pinup pictures but youre still wondering what all the hype is about?????????

<< Comment #75 @ 18:37 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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azmo - Reply to #67

Touche.

<< Comment #53 @ 17:36 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

InDepther - Reply to #34

0% hype

<< Comment #70 @ 18:12 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Mitritch - Reply to #34

100% of eternal fame

<< Comment #104 @ 21:33 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

netrex - Reply to #25

Fail.

<< Comment #23 @ 17:06 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Anonymous (77-253-118-201.adsl.inetia.pl)

Gratz for av3k! He deserve it! dm13 master!

<< Comment #26 @ 17:07 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

zar4

gzzzzz av3k

<< Comment #27 @ 17:08 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

btl

well done by Av3k. Lost one map the entire tournament.

<< Comment #55 @ 17:38 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Alchemist03 - Reply to #27

one map where opponent catch him? =) joke

Edited by Alchemist03 at 17:39 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #28 @ 17:08 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

azmo

So, the guy who bashed someone for believing in av3k was somewhat wrong then.

<< Comment #29 @ 17:08 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

wyrag

Z4muZ , you owe me some internet $....

<< Comment #31 @ 17:09 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

AV3K STYLE REALLY BEST FOR 10 MINUTES =(...

<< Comment #36 @ 17:16 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #31

sif z4muz would have attacked even if the timelimit was 25.

<< Comment #43 @ 17:27 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Alchemist03 - Reply to #36

how i remember av3k won 10 minutes periods vs rapha in semifinal of eswc atheens on both maps... after that rapha slowly took control and did make awesome comeback... dont wanna to say that 20 minutes give another chanse and 25 too may be yea but i meant 10 minutes absoultly not enough...

Edited by Alchemist03 at 17:30 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #45 @ 17:28 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #43

it was quake3 cpma and rewarded aim much more than quakelive.

<< Comment #60 @ 17:44 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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incendiary - Reply to #43

da same as dm6 vs cyph in paris
he just showed some i-dont-wanna-play-this stuff

<< Comment #105 @ 21:34 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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netrex - Reply to #36

Why didn't he attack at the end of T9?

<< Comment #33 @ 17:10 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

dav1d_aka_latuch

av3k ! :D

<< Comment #35 @ 17:15 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Carsomyr

I wish Slasher had casted the final. :P

Casted. Casted. Casted.

Edited by Carsomyr at 17:16 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #37 @ 17:18 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

TL 15 REALLY BETTER THEN TL 10
10 TIMELIMIT LIKE A GOLDEN GOAL FOOTBALL OVERTIME WITHOUT SILVER... NOT SERIOUS - very short time period for comeback if control was in opponents hands in beginnig... and few last minutes pressing you... 15 minutes give base for strtegic and tactic steps... not only rushing with rockets in your face

Edited by Alchemist03 at 17:24 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #38 @ 17:19 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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euclid - Reply to #37

ummm, what?

<< Comment #41 @ 17:24 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #38

he's always right.

<< Comment #42 @ 17:24 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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euclid - Reply to #41

I see, forgive me, I'm new here.

<< Comment #44 @ 17:27 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Alchemist03 - Reply to #42

disagree?

<< Comment #52 @ 17:36 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

cdogg - Reply to #44

How can anyone disagree with that grammar...err logic.

=)

<< Comment #56 @ 17:40 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Alchemist03 - Reply to #52

=) but what you can to say about tl 10

<< Comment #142 @ 01:52 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

By

Anonymous (p5DE7A3BC.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #56

i think the same way about tl 10 and 15

<< Comment #49 @ 17:33 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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tbone - Reply to #38

You'll get used to it. Actually glad to see him back, he's been away.

<< Comment #51 @ 17:35 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Alchemist03 - Reply to #49

nice nice...

<< Comment #80 @ 19:02 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

tbone - Reply to #51

Welcome :)

<< Comment #101 @ 21:28 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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stunt.us - Reply to #37

why not endless time limit? Whoever dies first in real life loses.

<< Comment #39 @ 17:19 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Akuma

Anyone know if demos will be available?

<< Comment #40 @ 17:22 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

mefajpE^

uber aggressive play used properly > *

<< Comment #46 @ 17:31 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

can't help it but asus was more fun to watch. make it gtv and 15mins and QL might level up.

<< Comment #71 @ 18:13 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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leopold - Reply to #46

Have to agree, though the delays added up to it.

<< Comment #76 @ 18:37 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #71

totally. dubai was much better.

still, the visuals suck, due appreciation for all efforts notwithstanding. and the 10 mins make wins increasingly look arbitrary to me.

i feel this time span doesn't support a risk taking gamestyle because there just isn't enough time to plan and build a comeback effort. don't know what the players themselves say but these games leave me kind of ... none the wiser.

<< Comment #96 @ 20:44 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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D16-makaveli : - Reply to #76

10 minutes leaves a lot of unanswered questions in a 1 on 1. I agree completely that 10 minutes leaves the duels a little, "bleh."

I felt 15 minutes was too short when they cut it down from 20 minutes back in my day.

15 minutes is ok, but 20 minutes really tests your concentration and your consistency in my opinion. Can't just be hot for 5 minutes and defend a lead with the longer time limits. Especially in the case of maps where a beginning spawn is extremely important.

Longer time limits also allow for more in-game adjustments.

Of course, I started when all duels were 20 minutes long. 10 minutes just seems way too short to me.

<< Comment #97 @ 21:04 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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butchji - Reply to #96

So true. :/

<< Comment #99 @ 21:18 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Weird - Reply to #96

I like the 10 min games from a spectator point of view...

And from a player point of view I'm pretty neurtral actually.... sure some games turn out to be a bit of random due to the worse player getting a really good start into the match... and then the better player would've won in 15 min... but could lose in 10. But still the better player did mess up somewhere to get behind so.......

<< Comment #109 @ 22:02 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #99

But that's what I said. The risk taking player is bound to mess up occasionally. That's part of his gaming style. And those 10mins punish that kind of player severely. And favors a rather clockwork style gaming, including the occasional all deciding lucky shot.

I mean this is not QW where a direct rocket hit and some nice lg pinning can melt down all you might have stacked up like coke on your tongue. On the classic maps, once a player has control of two major items the opponent needs time to get back into the game. Of which he has little, starts to feel major pressure and begins taking risks he does *not* want.

I mean if nothing else, just listen to the shoutcasters. "Ye he has control of mega and ra now and will maintain that for minutes blah blah blah". Why, thanks, But then please give players the time to come back. Is what I'm thinking.

<< Comment #120 @ 22:57 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #109

The risk taking player is bound to mess up occasionally. That's part of his gaming style. And those 10mins punish that kind of player severely. And favors a rather clockwork style gaming, including the occasional all deciding lucky shot.

so thats how av3k won...

<< Comment #122 @ 23:05 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #109

Players who take the most risks:

1. av3k
3. cooller
cypher (lost to stermy in quarter final)
dahang (lost to cooller in quarter final)

<< Comment #126 @ 23:19 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #122

I can't possibly comment on the "ranking". All I see is life driven out. But then, while at it, who's #2?

<< Comment #128 @ 23:24 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #126

Shows it's quite balanced no?

1. Risk
2. Safety
3. Risk
4. Safety

2 of the 4 other 1/4 final players were Risk the other 2 Safety

<< Comment #134 @ 23:55 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #128

Again, I couldn't be entirely sure. Maybe my list might look slightly different.

Also, if it was the "hiding in the hall" bit which influenced your ranking, I might wonder whether it's really a sign of risk adversity. Because running down the clock could well become a major sport these days, no matter what style you feel comfortable in.

<< Comment #135 @ 00:04 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #134

It's not my ranking, it's the final placings :P

1. av3k (risk)
2. z4muz (safe)
3. cooller (risk)
4. stermy (safe)
5-8 = dahang/cypher (risk) + I can't remember but the rest of the guys at the tournament I'd say were all safe

And my opinion on the players is based on seeing them in many matches so no I wasn't influenced by that :P (Obviously all players run down the clock).

<< Comment #137 @ 00:35 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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butchji - Reply to #135

rofl stermy safe? He goes in with his shaft eventhough his opponent has twice hp and armor. :O (Look Stermy vs Cooller at t9)

<< Comment #145 @ 01:54 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #137

I didn't say he played a smart game, he's just an overly cautious player.

<< Comment #146 @ 02:13 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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butchji - Reply to #145

Maybe it's just me but what I just wrote is the opposite of cautious.

<< Comment #151 @ 06:49 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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kRoNic- - Reply to #146

he apparently had lots of sound issues vs cooller, so id imagine he was in #care mode ;p. if you wach some of his demos on here you will see he normally likes to hold control while hardly ever risking anything. prefering to let his opponent come to him and make the mistakes.

Edited by kRoNic- at 06:52 UTC, 28 November 2009

<< Comment #152 @ 07:34 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Raist - Reply to #146

Stermy did get heavy influence from fatality, who certainly is not a risk taker.

<< Comment #173 @ 14:55 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #135

OK, slight misunderstanding. I thought that was your ranking in terms of "riskiness".

Ye right, I could agree to that. East European resp. Russian players generally seem to have a tendency to play a little more offensive. Might relate to the temperament or whatever. But that's exactly what I like to see as a spectator.

The point being that, once you get that lucky, early advantage, in Q3 you still need to go on attacking if you really want to secure the win. While QL it's tempting to start merely preventing e.g. from the 5th minute onward and backpedaling from the 8th. That's the style those 10mins seem to support. And I don't like it.

<< Comment #174 @ 15:09 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #173

I much prefer the aggressive players too, but lets not forget the master of playing it safe, was the Russian b100.death!

I think the placings show that at the moment duel in QL is fairly balanced between the two styles, obviously for interests sake (and fun!) I'd like to see it skewed towards the aggressive style.

<< Comment #179 @ 20:48 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #174

OK, the ranking might be balanced. But I think the point still applies, especially because people increasingly talk about the "one, crucial mistake".

Now, there are games where crucial mistakes decide everything. Like chess. Where, after a crucial mistake, you'll hardly come back. And if you do, then likely only after a prolonged, tough struggle including your opponent making a crucial mistake.

And then there are games which don't have crucial mistakes, unless you make them in the last minute. Like soccer. Where, early on in the game, you can catch as many goals as you want, there'd still be the possibility to come back.

And that's how I think Quake has been in the past, a game which makes some allowance for mistakes and a single one never being "crucial". Which made it fun to watch. Also, players don't need to take prolonged precautions to prevent some unlucky incident causing them make that mistake. And disallow people to maybe even cough in the room because it might break their focus, like it is in chess.

And some allowance makes sense also because it's a computer game, where a mere tech issue might induce a mistake. Like a Windows service kicking in doing some cleanup in the background, where the player might experience a short momentary lag, never knowing why, which prevents him seeing that rocket coming. Bang, crucial mistake, thanks.

Hence, again, 15 minutes. That's all I'm saying (apart from gtv). It's been working so well for so many years.

<< Comment #180 @ 21:16 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #179

I don't think it's the time limit but the other functions in the game.

<< Comment #181 @ 22:03 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #180

Well, I'd say in about any game, the less time you have the more the likeliness increases of the outcome being skewed by (bad) luck. Even more so if it's a game which allows you to play defensive.

And if nothing else, an increased talk about "crucial mistakes" should already suggest in which direction things are leaning. But I guess I've made my point.

Incidentally, that's for example what I like about cooller. Most of the time when having a clear advantage, it seems like he almost wants his opponent to come back, maybe even not consciously. But so many times it seemed to me that, having a clear advantage and full item control, he starts becoming sloppy presumably feeling that the game will proceed being a boring routine unless he gives the other player at least something. I don't believe it's conscious decisions but rather an attitude. Like it not only being the win which counts but the game either.

<< Comment #111 @ 22:09 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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leopold - Reply to #99

Hmm, I am always liked (as spectator) to "sink in" the game with timelimit 15. 10 feels boring to me most of the time. Its over before I get the rythm. Well, and in a lot of the matches I won (yes, that happens:) in QL the timelimit 10 rescued me so I really think it hurts the game, especially on the older maps.

<< Comment #123 @ 23:07 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #111

Man, you shouldn't be saying that because it's not *professional*. Like scoreboard professionality. But I'm still glad you said that, because that's exactly my feelings. No time anymore for the game in the game.

<< Comment #48 @ 17:32 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

what with plazma... look some disbalanced

Edited by Alchemist03 at 17:34 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #54 @ 17:36 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #48

Yes. True.

?

<< Comment #57 @ 17:40 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

poor stermy
http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/190894-Stermy_...to_Cooller

<< Comment #88 @ 19:38 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #57

Thorin send me the links, thank you both.

<< Comment #106 @ 21:35 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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netrex - Reply to #57

Those videos have horrible quality. Are they filmed with a phone camera? Both sound and image quality is extremely poor.

Edited by netrex at 21:36 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #58 @ 17:42 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Xyloe

Well played Av3k...bit of an anti-climax that final though methinks.

Looking forward to IEM European finals in January

<< Comment #82 @ 19:12 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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duumed - Reply to #58

yeah the IEM finals will be a blast

<< Comment #93 @ 20:10 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Xyloe - Reply to #82

Plus hopefully not games at 10am in the morning on a weekday?!

<< Comment #59 @ 17:42 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Putton

gratz :P

<< Comment #62 @ 17:56 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Jubei

Proper disappointing games today, not just the results, but also the level of play. Look at stermy cooller and z4muz games yesterday compared to how they played today.

Gz to av3k for winning, but gutted that he did tbh.

<< Comment #64 @ 17:59 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #62

I'm not a big fan of avek, but he played some pretty good quake today

<< Comment #77 @ 18:42 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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fws - Reply to #62

I have to disagree, it is just that aveks style didnt suit zamuz. Sometimes a single unexpected push can turnaround tables and avek was doing such pushes all the time. It seemed that zamuz likes going a bit agressive at times, but in his previous matches he didnt faced anyone who would do that.

Players always look good when they are winning, and if they met person with a style they arent fit with, their game may look bit messy. Zamus definitly did great with the cup, he answered expectations of many people here, but I wonder if final wouldnt look similiar if he would go against Cooller.

<< Comment #107 @ 21:38 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #77

z4muz never takes any risks, and never has. He relies on getting control from the off or the other player "giving" him control then he just runs the armours and engages in battles over the items he's running.

He never seeks out frags, even in advantageous situations (e.g. ESWC 2004 vs czm on ztn he had numerous chances to finish czm off and extend his lead but refused to take them) let alone where he has only that option (It took him until like 9:00 on qzdm13 vs av3k before he made an attack...).

Even in the qzdm6 game against Stermy, it was a Stermy mistake and then aggressive play by Stermy which gave z4muz the frags and ultimately the win.

Edited by iNkind at 21:39 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #113 @ 22:33 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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fws - Reply to #107

On t9 in todays final he picked some shaft fights during which he had slightly poorer stack. Maybe as you say it was cause he knew he will win them, but even if calculated, many other players wouldnt participate in them. Then look at what avek did, like jumping down with rockets after barely running away for his life by jumppad on dm13. That was beyond what anybody could expect. Since we saw a lot of such situations, it is either avek was outhinking zamuz or avek style rich with unexpected pushes didnt suit zamuz at all. Either way calling the final poor, because top contenders game didnt look same as day before, against DIFFERENT opponents, is one of the silliest excuses that can be made.

Anyway the game is on, and now I want jibo properly back too :P

<< Comment #118 @ 22:55 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #113

av3k is all about being aggressive in illogical situations in order to surprise the opponent and remain unpredictable.

But it wasn't that his style countered z4muz, it's just z4muz is ineffective in general against players that can match his control and aim.

<< Comment #124 @ 23:10 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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fws - Reply to #118

That would mean that untill the final nobody was able to match his aim and control. Well he didnt fought the strongest possible opponents, but would outcome be the same if avek used lets say zamuz own style? I think it would be even closer if he did, and so will hand it, at least partialy, to avek agressive style. Feel free to disagree, but I think thats an important factor too.

Aside stylematching, the best part is we enjoy the variety.

Edited by fws at 23:12 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #130 @ 23:27 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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ini - Reply to #124

He was fortuitous to beat Stermy in the semi-final, if it wasn't for Stermy being a z4muz clone himself he could easily have not been in the final.

Who did he play in the quarter-final?

As for your question, no, because it's z4muz style which isn't effective against the best of the best players (which is why he is a top5 but not winner guy).

Edited by iNkind at 23:30 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #138 @ 00:42 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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fws - Reply to #130

dkt, 8:3 on ztn and 23:5 on t9.

<< Comment #155 @ 08:43 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #107

thats not true, watch his game vs stermy on t9

<< Comment #65 @ 17:59 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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I felt like Zamuz backed off from some fights way too early, like he was scared of Avek's close-range abilities or not confident enough in his own. Too bad, he had his chances, Avek didn't play flawlessly.

GG

<< Comment #66 @ 18:09 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Anonymous (196.210.212.135)

Where are the demos?

<< Comment #69 @ 18:12 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

mefajpE^

Second Dreamhack in a row ]:->

<< Comment #166 @ 10:39 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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lizahd - Reply to #69

ur so wrong , last won calipt......

<< Comment #192 @ 14:01 UTC, 15 December 2009 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #166

second with good players*

<< Comment #73 @ 18:22 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

xfoo

Any word on SF4 stream?

<< Comment #74 @ 18:35 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

this guy tells u what is cool
http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/190930-Cooller...tournament

<< Comment #78 @ 18:47 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

one more win for av3k and there will come the war, who's the best ql player, rapha or av3k

<< Comment #79 @ 19:00 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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vicek - Reply to #78

ESR community will answer:
COOLLER

<< Comment #84 @ 19:25 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Kaide - Reply to #79

:DD

<< Comment #139 @ 01:38 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #79

it is not ESR, it is the truth

<< Comment #153 @ 08:27 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Carpio - Reply to #79

Cooller was Cooller is and Cooller will be the best ever! :)

What a great tourney it was ! My 3 favorite players finished top 3!

Too bad Cooller didnt win but seeing Z4muz in the finals is great! You also gotta love Avek's gamestyle! He can make some unexpected crazy shit moves. Sick.

Edited by Carpio at 08:32 UTC, 28 November 2009

<< Comment #81 @ 19:06 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

wingz

Z4muZ ;-D

xoxo

<< Comment #83 @ 19:23 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

exp!

demos

<< Comment #85 @ 19:29 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

dlx

demos

<< Comment #86 @ 19:33 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

_gory

demos

<< Comment #87 @ 19:33 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

Kujiwa

z4muz \o/

<< Comment #89 @ 19:49 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

oskid

direct vods from final or demos !

Av3k awesome !

Edited by lobuz at 19:50 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #90 @ 19:50 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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brumu

It looked pretty easy for av3k. I guess when he actually decides to train seriously he would be unstoppable. Same goes for Cypher. He wasn't nr. 1 on cypher's top 5 duelers list for no reason :p.

<< Comment #91 @ 19:51 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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zar4

Cooller was playing amazing, im pretty sad he lost but also nice to see av3k doing well, i feel like av3k is a pretty strong counter for cooller style wise, he seemed to read his dodging really well, which other players wasnt able to, ah well, he'll win one soon!

<< Comment #92 @ 20:09 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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kK_Storm

You can find recorded VODs here - http://levelupyourgame.net/.
To view them just click 'MENU' button at player, then go to 'Browse on-demand library' and eventually you will see Dreamhack vods directory.

<< Comment #100 @ 21:18 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #92

Actual finals are missing, we will upload high quality versions tommorow

<< Comment #114 @ 22:37 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #100

what about semi finals?

<< Comment #115 @ 22:39 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #114

nevermind, its the first video in the list, thanks

<< Comment #121 @ 23:00 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #100

nice, i missed z4muz vs stermy
have a [+] for the good streaming of all the games and now doing vods \o/

<< Comment #108 @ 21:59 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Carsomyr - Reply to #92

That's great, but the video titles aren't very helpful: http://imgur.com/45pRD.png

<< Comment #94 @ 20:18 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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naymlis

fucking delays.. I couldn't make it and passed out while watching cooller vs av3k on dm13 at like 6:30ish AM :(

<< Comment #129 @ 23:25 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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pl4gue - Reply to #94

haha that's exactly when i passed out

<< Comment #95 @ 20:20 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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The dead Pope's soul can finally move up to heaven considering Polish people have found a new cult icon.

OH WAIT POLISH PEOPLE DON'T HAVE SOULS... SHIIIIIIIIIIIII---

<< Comment #160 @ 09:37 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (adkk98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) - Reply to #95

ohh ... really? ;(

<< Comment #98 @ 21:06 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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rupertt

congratz av3k, well done.

edit: any demo around... like something just scattered on the floor... not that important ... you know... but... you know... the demos?

if someone ... like... care? :)

Edited by x1138 at 21:13 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #103 @ 21:32 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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senzor

Allthough I am a fan of z4muz, I would have rather seen Cooller in finals with bo5 maps as I think he would have deserved it more. To sum it up I think Dreamhack needs Double Elimination system.

<< Comment #110 @ 22:04 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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ArNoz - Reply to #103

I can't agree more

<< Comment #125 @ 23:18 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #103

With all those delays they'd never be able to run a Double Elim.

<< Comment #133 @ 23:44 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #125

bo5 from quarter finals onwards I'd say

<< Comment #136 @ 00:08 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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apoxic - Reply to #133

Perhaps.

<< Comment #112 @ 22:17 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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linged

The real final was really Cooller-av3k.
As great and surprising Z4muz performance was, I don't see how he would have had much of a chance against Cooller.

av3k meanwhile is showing his amazing talent, to me he is simply the most dangerous player out there with the fastest and deadliest +forward attacks.

<< Comment #144 @ 01:54 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Cyn1c - Reply to #112

Agreed. His LG battles with cooller were just amazing.

<< Comment #116 @ 22:45 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

imhotep

Fox making his debut as a commentator was nice! :)

<< Comment #117 @ 22:46 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Jazzy

thats my fuckin boy av3k! well done! :D delighted. always knew he'd win if he got into gear. onwards and upwards! next target - rapha

<< Comment #119 @ 22:56 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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juM8o

if they will use single elimination system in future i hope they will go for bo5 in every playoff match.

<< Comment #127 @ 23:23 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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Gladius

cooller on ztn vs fox was the most impressive thing I've seen this tournament.
Fox was happy with the shards...

Edited by Gladius at 23:23 UTC, 27 November 2009

<< Comment #140 @ 01:42 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #127

"Fox was happy with the shards..."

lol

<< Comment #131 @ 23:35 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

By

yarrr

http://www.goodgame.ru/video.php?ocd=view&id=986 (In russian)

Cooller prefer SEGA! :P

<< Comment #147 @ 03:36 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #131

video interviews with cooller & cypher were indepth interviews, but in russian language :(

http://www.goodgame.ru/video.php?order=game_id&gid=8&pg=0

<< Comment #172 @ 14:15 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #131

Yeah, very nice interview with Cooller, loved his jokes at Cypher :)

(Question about how much he won @ DH)
Cooller: bla bla bla, about 1000 eur, bla bla (teasing look at Cypher) now I can even afford to buy something!

or

(Some stupid question about Cooller's favourite colour)
Cooller: ... if it's color of your clothes, it's one thing, if it's colour of a car it's another, and (VERY naughty look at Cypher) if it's colour of the eyes of cypher, it's completely different!

<< Comment #132 @ 23:42 UTC, 27 November 2009 >>

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dlx

demos

<< Comment #141 @ 01:46 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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green

fkn knew zamuz was going to get rolled.. couldnt pass the 3:1 odds up though D:

<< Comment #143 @ 01:52 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Cyn1c

I wanted avek to beat cooller and it happened. From the way he played against cooller and from what stermy did to z4muz in dm6 initially made it clear who'd bag it and tag it.

<< Comment #148 @ 03:39 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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_djinn

For the love of all that is holy where are the DEMOS!! Only so much i can take :)

<< Comment #149 @ 04:35 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

By

Demos please

<< Comment #150 @ 05:28 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (dsl-240-80-254.telkomadsl.co.za)

Demos?

<< Comment #154 @ 08:29 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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murph

DAHANG DEMOS NAO!!!!

<< Comment #156 @ 08:48 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Kwibus

av3k was the best player this tournament. Really interesting style. Z4muZ didn't have a chance, but looking at the first day games it was pretty obvious to me that av3k and cooller were they best players in the tournament.
It's a shame they met in the semis.

<< Comment #158 @ 08:54 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Carpio - Reply to #156

They were way above everybody imho.

<< Comment #159 @ 09:33 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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leopold - Reply to #156

Yes, happens way to often in group stage SE systems that the best players met before the final (and make the finals dull to watch). DE at least make it very likely that the best players meet in the final. For example, in DE, if Cooller and av3k had met before, the looser would most likely made it through the loosers bracket and get to the finals.

<< Comment #165 @ 09:58 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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sixide - Reply to #159

It seems like the players' skill fluctuates far too much tournament-to-tournament and day-to-day to use systems that rely so heavily on good seeding (single elimination).

<< Comment #157 @ 08:53 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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wata

thanks for the streaming

<< Comment #161 @ 09:37 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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juM8o

It would be nice to get cooller's and av3k's all demos, they sure include something special.

<< Comment #163 @ 09:48 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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dlx

demos

<< Comment #164 @ 09:51 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

By

we need timelimit 2 and more dm6

<< Comment #167 @ 10:42 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

By

naymlis

http://www.justin.tv/clip/0a3972c1a11d2c12

<< Comment #168 @ 11:51 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #167

these cut-videos are somewhat confusing, how can i see all ql videos with one link.

<< Comment #169 @ 11:55 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #167

Damn, it's only half of the 1st map =(. where is the rest?

<< Comment #170 @ 12:07 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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Badb0y - Reply to #169

click 'next clip' ;)

<< Comment #171 @ 13:54 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

By

xgo

.

Edited by xgo at 13:55 UTC, 28 November 2009

<< Comment #175 @ 15:29 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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kilek

where are demos?? christmas is soon

<< Comment #176 @ 18:08 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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ra1n`

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4083/beznzvutr.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6696/buenavista.jpg
yes, i was really bored :p

<< Comment #178 @ 18:59 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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f0cus ' - Reply to #176

2nd one is $$$$

bonus points for filename lol

<< Comment #182 @ 03:25 UTC, 29 November 2009 >>

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Hito - Reply to #176

HAHAHAH hell yeah, that 2nd one is def $$$$.

<< Comment #184 @ 12:54 UTC, 29 November 2009 >>

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Anonymous (220-133-222-179.HINET-IP.hinet.net) - Reply to #176

hahahahahaha, nice job!!

<< Comment #191 @ 01:08 UTC, 7 December 2009 >>

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Bob - Reply to #184

.

Edited by Bob at 23:16 UTC, 27 June 2024

<< Comment #188 @ 00:56 UTC, 30 November 2009 >>

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aiken - Reply to #176

rotfl, both are fcuking great!! :D

<< Comment #177 @ 18:14 UTC, 28 November 2009 >>

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This is the reason the grand final was delayed for such a long time. Av3k was busy with:

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/...0996_n.jpg

Z4muz was politely waiting in the meantime: http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/...4463_n.jpg

Edited by ndrj at 18:16 UTC, 28 November 2009

<< Comment #183 @ 05:49 UTC, 29 November 2009 >>

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r1ddler

Americans are nothing without Rapha :)

<< Comment #185 @ 19:50 UTC, 29 November 2009 >>

By

gienon

Don't forget Chuck!

<< Comment #186 @ 19:58 UTC, 29 November 2009 >>

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crv

any Vod with all the game ?

not the justin.tv link, it's fucked

<< Comment #187 @ 20:05 UTC, 29 November 2009 >>

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tath

av3k, z4muz & cooller lol oldschool players ;d

<< Comment #189 @ 14:55 UTC, 30 November 2009 >>

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dlx

demos?

<< Comment #190 @ 11:56 UTC, 1 December 2009 >>

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dlx

how can i contact AGP for organizing demos?!

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