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How neat is that, looks like it actually might happen :O Would hands down beat these reflexes and tokxiskxikses, I bet.

Beating Reflex wont be easy. If everything the Reflex devs have planned gets completed to a good standard then the game will be insanely good.

Same goes for Reborn. If 2GD does all the stuff he has spoken about and has fun gameplay (which it sounds like it will be based on the weapon discussion a month or so ago) then it will be an amazing game.

And of course we have UT4 with flashy visuals and a hefty marketing budget + brand name + f2p which will no doubt get a bunch of people playing

Fuck knows whats gonna happen in 2016

Anything less hardcore than cpm is much more likely to get attention.

See: Quake Live

Reborn will have 3 different physic styles within the same game. Annoying.

CPMA had cpm, vq3 and cq3 physics.

And it was clearly a success.

UT is not a real contender imo. It will die in a year after release, im willing to bet on it

Considering UT2004 was active for about 8 years and UT4 has a proven development team who are listening to forum feedback & not needing to ask for money on kickstarter then im willing to bet you're a pretty foolish gambler

You forget that reflex has 3 devs and reborn has 0-2 whereas UT4 probably has 20-30 right now when you include all the people designing weapons, skins, maps & mods on top of Epic's own developers

You can put 100 people into UT development but they will still be in black, sthinky shithole o/

black, sthinky shithole with more players than reflex though.
not hating, but this will most likely be the awful truth

Tibia has more players (I guess?). We do not care \o/

Stay off Tibia *draws sword*

"Fuck knows whats gonna happen in 2016"

Not quake or doom.

Skyrim 15 will be out before doom4

I don't think either will be popular regardless.
Who knows though.
2GD has better connections. But that's about it.
He lacks motivation.

He lacks motivation.

Do you even 2GD?

"2GD has better connections" not then the UT devs i guess.

i meant between him and reflex crew.

Alrigh, but how do we know the reflex crews connections? They seem to be targeting the quake community quite heavily but what about the rest of their target audience?

There are more than one Reflex? And what don't you like about it?

He meant to say that Reflex, Toxikk and other games fall under the same category: Quake and UT clones that spawned in recent years.

Though actually on steam there's another already released game called RefleX, a spaceship shooter. There truly isn't a single innovative thing in that FPS, lol.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/281860/

Megaman said it. Reflex has CPM movement and that alone makes fail to attract anybody except few hundred CPM fanatics or people like that, I think.

If not CPM movement, then there need to be other kinds of movement that takes skill and a long time to master, otherwise the game will be bland and boring for an arena shooter, IMO.

Cool to see the project is still alive. I just don't get why 2GD needs to be so juvenile towards the other developers. It's good for us gamers to have several teams working on the next arena game. Competition drives progress.

thats his thing ... he can be serious, but when he has "nah bra idk days", then he lets everything out, even farts :)

Its just friendly competition. I dont think the reflex devs are mortified by his statements and I'd like to see more banter and competition. Its no fun when the devs say "we arent trying to compete with X game" when they clearly are.

Like you said, competition drives progress. Let them juke it out.

I'd rather see some results and updates instead of spreading FUD about other projects. I know it's his style, it just doesnt work for me.

I'd rather see results too

The Reflex devs are completely unaware of his statements. We're busy developing, we don't have 3 hours spare to listen to 2GD talk ;)

I'm detecting slight levels of sass and I love it

I think what he said was - Toxikk is a disaster and Reflex is average. That seems rather harsh because both are still early access and under development. Reflex has at least 4 parts I find exceptional (ignoring the gameplay):

1. 1000hz input decoupled from framerate
2. great netcode
3. map editor
4. server side demos

If he calls the game Reflex is going to be average then I'd be very surprised if he doesn't deliver something below average. Even or maybe especially if you ignore gameplay.

reflex didnt deliver ANYTHING yet

So far the shit talk is top kek. Reflex has notink on 2GD, they didn't even call him a cunt or m8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H6TWaa7TEM&feature=youtu.be

kickstarter?

May apparently. The alpha should be updated in 1-2 months and the beta will be in Nov. Its 2GD so feel free to add any number of months to any of those dates.

So are you impressed with their progress? How does it compare to reflex?

haven't even read the OP and wrote that on my phone lololol

I haven't watched the video but from the screenshots it seems like its the same game as 6-12 months

video probably consists of drawing blocks and running around the same, old map while talking sh*t for 20 mins about what he ultimately wants

either the last 2 screenshots are from bloodline champions or hes a thief

The last 2 are from bloodlines. He was showing his tournament system ideas.

The gameplay hasnt changed since he put the alpha out. He detailed his "finalised" gameplay ideas a month ago, we just need to wait for them to be implemented.

Everything else seems to be engine changes and him gathering art stuff. Seems like his engines are running way faster in 2015 than they were last year.

If the alpha update in 2 months has the gameplay changes then I will be content for a long while and just wait for the art to roll in

All he does is talk about what he wants -_ in UT4 they talk about what they have too


I am now going to develop Rebirth. Key features:
- all, kinds, of vehicles
- spiderman gun as spawn weapon
- fast walking pace
- RL, RG, SG
- a weakended LG but can cut the spiderman web & temporarily disable it (stop them running away)
- all kinds of mods (CTF, TDM, DOM, JB)
- finishers rather than instant kills (samurai sword them in 2, petrol bomb + lighter)

Does it sound awesome? fuck yeah! #vapourware

will it have ranked match making

They'll be so ranked you won't believe
and it will invoke 6 hour bans on anybody who leaves 2 games within the last minute of the match over a 2 hour period

Judging by that description, you must have tried Militia.

I just spat my AriZona Green Tea out at the screen

He detailed his "finalised" gameplay ideas a month ago

Link please?

http://esreality.com/post/2696616/james-talki...born-guns/

• UT99 Menu & IRC Chat

• It crashed while he was in the map editor mode.

• He has some new robot concept art.

• Still no game yet.

• The concept artists don't want their names associated with the game.

• First tournament at Dreamhack in November or something (LOL)

So... basically they've added a menu system and IRC.

Next week environment art or weapon concepts, Jay prefers environment art because then he can show you what the game "looks like". Kinda feels like Jay just likes robot/sci-fi concept art.

"The concept artists don't want their names associated with the game."
I think that is because these guys have a job already and work on reborn in their sparetime.
why would anyone work on a project he is not convinced of?

how likely is it that the companies would ban them from any other work? people openly do free stuff all the time e.g. wikipedia, Project Gutenberg

probably just ashamed to be associated with him/the way he speaks

Many companies explicitly forbid their employees to work for competitors. You can still do whatever you want for free, but paid work would cause trouble.

paid work yes although I doubt 2gd is paying though...probably some promise of n% of sales after release/kickstarter but I guess you have the same issue (in the unlikelihood that his employers would come across reborn)

I thought he'd got some iOS game developer on it now?

I'm guessing hes using a mix. Random guys for the concept art and talawa for the modelling and creation of the assets.

He better still be using talawa because I'm following them on twitter incase they say anything about reborn and they keep retweeting peppy pals bullshit.

i find it funny that you can actually make money with peppy pals :D

probably searching deviant art ready for next week right now

rofl plussed just for seeing ur still alive. also mentioning UT99! haha

ut2k4 1v1 gogo

Pretty solid... battle.net type global area seems like a great idea. Rendered blue/red model looked sick too.

I haven't seen convincing player models in a deathmatch game since 1999. Yet another area where q3 left no room for improvement.

They added "UI" (incomplete), paid for some concept art (incomplete), brain-storming some ideas (incomplete) and he ran around povdmm4. Pretty good progress since June, 2014.

I watched a couple mins (before BSOD)....dat UI...I'd say it's pretty much the finished article

He took too long. The time of PC FPS is over. Overwatch. Blizzard wins again.

Is making game that plays itself a good thing?
For Blizzard - ye.

looking at Heroes of the Storm I wish they never started making an FPS

Is it sad that I'm looking forward to overwatch when my whole gaming experience was centered on quake?

No.

toxik disaster, reflex average, but reborn is ultra cool and we don't even know if anyone's developing this game aside from 2gd scripting random weapon damage in his notepad. :D

and anyway, his idea of moba skills in a fps game is too little too late. blizzard is doing it and will do it better.

sponge

Man, I think the standard gameplay will be fun, but I really hope they include just a standard Q3ish game mode inside Reborn itself so I don't have to go and play another game too.

The DotA style robot builds are nice and that, but you can't top Quake for pure game play.

I've started my FPS game. It's gunna be the best.
It'll be done... sometime.
Meanwhile i'm going to get high.

Perfect reborn description.

Don't ever change gobotz.

2 bad, all arena fps:es drops at the same time. This will hurt the scene.

2gd 2late

It's interesting that I don't give a shit about this anymore. I guess I got what I wanted with Reflex. Reborn will have to show something really cool and new to get my attention now.

So flocking true.

Reflex annoys me because it's based on the Achilles heel of Quake 3. A mod that fundamentally split the community, basically halfing the potential user base - and for what, nostalgia? People criticize anyone who wants to make a game like Quake, they say "you just want a game that you are used to!" But isn't that what the QW fans were doing in CPM? lol the irony.

At least Reborn is something unique, original and designed by an ex quake 3/4 player :)

Maybe someday reborn will do all that, meanwhile reflex gives us something to play today, right when QL sold itself to the devil. If 2gd would have given the project priority and resources, it would have been a great time to strike at least an open beta already.

tbh, i think its a big mistake to even bother trying to compare yourself to Reflex - that game has very limited appeal and it shows by their player numbers...

It has enough numbers to keep a decent debugging/testing playerbase, which is all that an alpha state game needs. Time will tell.

But you are contradicting yourself there. First you say that Reflex gives us something to play today (#61), followed by that the game has enough numbers for being in a debugging/testing phase (#83), which implies that without that adjective they aren't good numbers at all in order to give us something to play today. What is it then and if you prefer the first answer then:
- Does Reflex have a single player in our location, or at least a dozen in NA or in anywhere else besides in Europe? Without enough players there's not something for us to play today.
- Why would anyone today prefer Reflex over CPM? CPM is already finished, has more than 20 concurrent players in the world and offers the same gameplay and way more content and features than what Reflex does today.


As a project the only key differences between Reborn and Reflex are that:
1.- Reborn was the pioneer; the one that made people once again care about this subgenre. Then other games started because of Reborn and even copied specific aspects of it, including Reflex and Overwatch.
2.- Reflex is heavily based on an existing game (Q3 CPM), whereas Reborn is more innovative. Drawing a new picture takes more time and effort than tracing an existing work.
3.- The Reflex devs decided to have a paid alpha/beta testing phase (though in actuality it isn't an "open" beta since it's paid), that due that the Kickstarter for that game failed. On the other hand in Reborn 2GD decided the opposite. He obviously has his own reasons for that, including that it indeed is a bit nasty to ask people to pay for beta testing something (plus the Reflex devs have never said there won't be a second payment for the full game).

Also they share key similarities:
1.- Same genre.
2.- Both started around the same time period, as "newborn" confirmed Reflex started around December 2012 (still after Reborn and heavily inspired on it though). On that note, if anyone is going to complain about Reborn's lackluster pace then they should complain about Reflex's too, because both have been progressing veeeery slowly and both are in the same alpha state. It's just that Reflex is more public on that development (though still paid), but both are just pre-alphas with engine work starting over two years ago and still are going to be fully released after HL3.

he's contradicting himself? uhh okay.

Reborn was the pioneer

reborn may be a lot of things, a pioneer it is not.

Then other games started because of Reborn vs. Both started around the same time period

lol.

whereas Reborn is more innovative.

there is no game yet, how would you know?

1.- Tell me one similar project that started before Reborn.

2.- I was clearing that out on the edits :P. In addition to those added points, on this very site newborn admitted Reflex is a contemporary game to Reborn that yet started some months after that, so those two sentences are not contradictory. The Beatles started before the Stones but were contemporary bands regardless, and the success of both spawned many bands sharing their time period.
Also when you look at the actual game and project it's blatantly obvious Reflex exists because of Reborn.

3.- There are several streams available, of both games, that show precisely that. Well that unless the devs of any of the two decide to completely change the project around, like if the new UT would suddenly change its gameplay and project as a whole to be Quake3's (not gonna happen, in any of those games).

1 painkiller, severity, pmx, shootmania?

2 you were claiming the other games are being developed because of reborn, which is factually wrong. if anything pmx might have been something of a predecessor for reflex if only for the devs and general idea behind it.

3 there are several streams with active reborn dueling/deathmatch available? if that's true i unfortunately missed them until now. i recently saw a reflex duel cup announced but did not see anything similar with regards to reborn, must have missed that too.

Painkiller is a 2004 game. Severity and PMX never really existed. Shootmania is a different genre really, not what Doom, Quake and UT represent.

Before Reborn there were zero games of this genre being developed. Once that announcement was made the whole interest for it revived, so that companies saw the opportunity to jump on this ship. That's why Reborn spawned all the many current projects on the works of this "arena" FPS subgenre and without it most likely there wouldn't be a single one, just like it was the case before Reborn.
As for specific instances on which you can see the existence of the Reflex project is due to Reborn, well there's newborn's nickname (he used a different one before), the in-game map editor is the exact same and it was only introduced by Reborn, the momentum the Reflex kickstarter once had was because of reborn's delays, etc. etc. etc. We've talked this many times here and again, it's really, really obvious.

The stream vods should still be up. In those you can clearly see Reflex is 99% CPM (well and PK's stake gun), whereas not a single thing in Reborn comes from previous games so indeed is more innovative than Reflex is.
That tournament is actually a good example, since some of the maps used are from CPMA.

you're making little sense. if ut is part of the genre, you are actually going to claim epic is doing ut4 because of reborn? ://

As for specific instances on which you can see the existence of the Reflex project is due to Reborn, well there's newborn's nickname (he used a different one before

newborn
Level: Regular
Registered: 13 Mar 2004
Posts: 792
http://esreality.com/?a=users&user_id=18074

he never changed his nickname on esreality and registered as 'newborn' in 2004.

The stream vods should still be up

where are the regular reborn streams, where are the reborn cups, what the fuck are you talking about :[]

not a single thing in Reborn comes from previous games

not a single thing, really? i cringed when i saw the hud weapon icons in the reborn vid, because i... know them from somewhere else, you don't? it's up there in a screenshot for you to see :)

http://i.imgur.com/9gqfU3m.jpg

They actually are. The whole UT3 flopped hard.

Ask him what his nickname was before the Reflex project started. Click on my very own nickname: I believe this is the third nickname I've been using here, but it doesn't show on my profile.

The reference to stream vods is to show the gameplay of both games. It has nothing to do with cups or regular streams, that's never been the point in discussion. Could be youtube videos too, and what they show is that when you look at Reflex it's clear it's CPM, so the least innovative thing of them all, whereas Reborn is an entirely new game, which is the most innovative thing of them all.

The gameplay is completely different. All assets are placeholders, in both games.

that's kind of interesting you think that about ut4, i beg to differ but have no interest in this discussion or ut in general.

where are the gameplay vids of reborn? again, i might've missed those and did somehow catch the reflex cup and the streams by fazz and others. where is this for reborn, i genuinely would like to take a look?

i was under the impression esreality takes note of your nickname changes and displays your last under "previously named:". my bad, this used to work in the past.

It was newborn. It was always newborn. Feel free to grab a copy of CPMA 1.48 from about 8 years ago and check the credits.

Does that mean that Reborn named their project after me?

whereas Reborn is an entirely new game

i've seen strafe jumping(quake), "sliding"(again, quake), double jumps in air(UT) etc in various reborn videos. how is this an entirely new game again ?

pretty sure i've seen that "wall sliding" shit in some other games before reborn too

Warsow and UrT (Urban Terror) were the ones with "wall sliding"

BTW this is offtopic but aren't you in a top3 Finskiy team not too far behind 3DMax on the national scene? I've seen your name in some line-up not too long ago, thought "is possible".

obviously some fegit faking me, cause it is not me

oke then Ima find him and liquidate the cunt (he might be a Doppleganger)

Another post where you expertly demonstrate that you've got no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Anyway, lets look at a random sampling of comments:

> Why would anyone today prefer Reflex over CPM?
Because they want to. I don't know why you continue to find the idea so offensive.

> Then other games started because of Reborn and even copied specific aspects of it.
Reflex as an idea (new engine, new art, commercial product, etc) goes all the way back to PMX. I'm pretty sure you've already had this mentioned to you.

As for copying Reborn, I don't even know enough about it to copy it. I'm guessing any similarities are either conincidences or your grasping at straws ("but they both have robots! and reborn had robots first!").

The single exception to this is that someone mentioned you can specify mouse sensitivity as cm/360@dpi in Reborn, which is a pretty cool idea. Full credit to 2GD, gg.

> The Reflex devs decided to have a paid alpha/beta testing phase (though in actuality it isn't an "open" beta since it's paid)
We've never said it was, an "open beta" anywhere, at all, ever.

> plus the Reflex devs have never said there won't be a second payment for the full game
We have, repeatedly, on multiple sites, including this one. It also says it in that giant blue "Early Access" box on our Steam page. But don't let your ignorance get in the way of spreading your FUD.

> "newborn" confirmed Reflex started around December 2012
I like that I get scare quotes. You totally caught me. I'm not really newborn. I murdered him in December 2012 and began wearing his face. My evil plan was to steal all of Reborns ideas and sell them as Reflex and I needed newborn's long established presence on ESR to do it.

Anyway, see you next time someone mentions Reflex on ESR and you totally lose your shit.

Was I talking to you?

Really professional way of communicating on a public site, BTW. Seems like you are the one "losing your shit", as I'm not the one swearing and insulting others.

The point is that Reborn was the pioneer and other games took the concept as a whole to start their own projects, some of those include specific aspects of Reborn as a way of improving or marketing their own, such as the in-game map editor in Reflex and part of the gameplay in Overwatch. The dates and the facts don't lie.

All of the other points you made are explained by the context, starting from #59 and onwards, or as you said have been already discussed here.

In the end the way to prove me wrong has nothing to do with what you can post on ESR, but is that your game makes me shut up based on how good and innovative it is and on the release dates as well, because games are all about the context (releasing Quake 1 in 2015 would be really mediocre). So far I've seen nothing yet on any of those regards, besides the Kickstarter failing because of how it was run. So far it's all words and this dates to CPMA, then PMX and now Reflex.

The point is that Reborn was the pioneer and other games took the concept as a whole

No, that's not true and repeating what you are saying does not make it any more true, should atleast rearrange the words :d

An ingame map editor was pioneered by the game sauerbraten aka. cube by aardappel in 2001. how do i know? i knew one of the devs and helped test the editor and some of the maps.

If CPMA was 'all words' to you i can't help you and i don't anyone on this site can. did you even play q3?

@newborn
Afaik cm/360 as sens is something that quakelive (shock horror) 'invented' with its m_cpi setting?

Cube(-engine)
then Sauerbraten (aka Cube 2)

yes, yes a great bunch of compact code with ingame editing!

The point is that Reborn was the pioneer and other games took the concept as a whole

No, that's not true and repeating what you are saying does not make it any more true, should atleast rearrange the words :d

What's hilarious is how much credit he's willing to give just for a concept. It's like "Leonardo DaVinci is the father of flight because he thought about it first". Yeah, fuck execution, dreaming will suffice.

As a father of flight the only key differences between "Leonardo da Vinci" and Icarus are that:

1.- Icarus was the pioneer; the one that made people once again care about this concept. Then other cunts started because of Icarus and even copied specific aspects of it, including "da Vinci" and the Wright broheims.
2.- "Da Vinci's" shit is heavily based on an existing creature (the Archeopteryx), whereas Icarus is more innovative. Drawing a new picture takes more time and effort than tracing an existing work.
3.- The Aereal Screw devs decided to have a paid alpha/beta testing phase (though in actuality it isn't an "open" beta since it's paid), that due that the Kickstarter for that hellencopter failed. On the other hand in Icarus, Icarus decided the opposite and actually fucking FLEW. He obviously has his own reasons for that, including that it indeed is a bit nasty to ask people to pay for beta testing something (plus the Aerial Screw devs have never said there won't be a second payment for the full vehicle).

fuck, I read your reply

you win

Am was merely copiy megamen and replacing Reflex/Reborn with dudes who was fly airplane in ancience Greek and then also wherever daVinci is from (i thinking is Malta because Bruce WIllits movie with device which was turn stuff into Gold were all in Maltea and also there was Falcon?)

I like turtles

Gplay -v1c7oR +wuxia make it happen plx

Your poor mother. What a shame.

Reborn... pioneer. lmao. The only thing it has pioneered is how to keep dimwits hyped for almost three years without any progress.

Your troll was so good I was convinced you were being serious. GG mega man.

save yourself from potential PR hits, put this idiot on ignore

But this is what ESR is for ;)

Going full retard on ESR is good PR. It makes us feel like you're one of us. :D

We prefer to use our actual sales figures to gauge how much appeal Reflex has, rather than how many happen to be online at once.

The moment Reflex has been developed enough that people can start playing it as their primary game, creating clans, participating in tourneys etc, there is already a solid scene waiting with copies of the game.

waiting for ctf, mate!

waiting for ctf, mate!

(though I'm still playing reflex every night, even without my beautiful flags)

You forgot all the GDArenas for quake that took place? There was support till quaklive just turned into a vegetable on an operation table.

all 3 gd arenas? and then he decided to make his own fps and stop bothering with quake completely.

oh sorry, he does have quake poster still. somewhere in the house at least.

The 'arenas' project stopped solely because of a complete lack of sponsors. Without sponsors there are no events and events and organizers themselves (in this case 2GD) have nothing to do with QL itself not being attractive to brands.

With QL (and id software) being the key issue that's stopping tournaments is that 2GD decided to create his own game, because no one else (not one) was making theirs at the time.

The same happened to faceit and I don't see anyone here criticizing faceit for that. QL itself was the problem they stopped supporting QL, so your hate speech should go towards the company in charge of QL.

cause faceit actually did it for over a year each sunday while 2gd did it for 3 sundays.

lol,.what? quakelive didnt sold itself, it works great, for reborn i have low expectations but seems to be the nicest fps in development besides the blizzard one

What exactly is unique about reborn?...numerous games have been ugly, incomplete, slow moving developments before

If you want unique, a major game company letting their supporters design & decide on their upcoming logo (see UT4).

2bd is supposed to be lightweight & fast moving like reflex devs due to the small teams

All I see is:
Reborn as it was 1 year ago
Reflex making regular, decent updates
Epic Games doing weekly update videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicUnrealTournament/videos

#1 whine

yes, but shame on the disjointed movement.

You're right. All players everywhere should just decide on a single FPS to play, even if they don't enjoy it as much.

To make things easier, we should all just play whatever is most popular at the moment, which I assume is going to be CoD or CS or something.

If anyone ever attempts to make another FPS (or update whichever one we're playing), we will violently oppose them and their efforts to split the community.

Once that is done, we can begin work on deciding on the one band we should all like and what everyone's favourite TV show should be.

I think you will add vanilla physics sooner or later, so why would you wait X years to do so?

You think wrong. We will never, ever be adding vanilla physics. We'd be more likely to do an entirely new movement system.

It reminded me of that quote tbh:

'We will never add air control in Quake Live' (c) SyncError 2009

But yeah, personally I always thought that the 'truth' lies somewhere in between (between VQ3 and CPM). Just like you did with the weapon switch AFAIK, something between instant and normal. That's just my view on it :)

Bernard's Watch is obviously the TV show.

You have failed this city

Reflex, Yo La Tengo, Coupling easy

It's only appropriate for a community to split when it has a large enough population to sustain itself, otherwise it is purely irresponsible.

We built this city...
We built this city with angry trolls

I can't help but picture James as Tyrion

That snot-nose little shit can talk shit once he finally publishes some shit that isn't pre-pre-alpha-level shit.

shit

So I guess you should probably stop talking shit since you've not published anything either, right?

Sure, if I were a developer. I'm not. He is. Case dismissed. Nice try.

:) Didn't know there were rules. Good to know there are unwritten developer laws that need to be abided by.

Thanks.

Yeah, there are rules to critical thinking. Consider the context. He's a developer who wants to publish a game, and he's dissing other developers that want to or have already published games. He is competing with these other developers. He's creating a game in pretty much the exact same genre. He's talking shit about other projects and has very little, past or present, to show for his own efforts. The words unprofessional and nonsensical come to mind.

Now I come along and call out this crap. I am an audience to his show, and my only stated critique is of his unprofessional social graces with regard to the other devs. The only prerequisite required of me is that I have a good idea of and a respect for professionalism. I don't need to "be somebody" to criticize him; that's appeal to authority. And I certainly don't need to publish anything so that I can be allowed to criticize his behavior. You may as well request that I become fluent in sports car engine structure and functionality in order to be qualified to take issue with the color of the car.

2GD can do whatever the hell he wants, though nobody with at least half a brain should be surprised to see comments that call out the shitty parts. I even dropped in an element of humor to my post. Joke's on me that some pos 2$ ass crack took it seriously and mangled the fuck out of my point.

Then it's just as you said. If he lacks the professionalism, in your eyes, then don't support his product. Simple as that.

yumad?

EDIT: And for the record, I never said you can't. However, you did say he couldn't. There's a contradiction and hypocrisy in this statement. That's all I was pointing out. Bash him! I don't care. But he's more than allowed to convey his point of view. Don't agree with it? Think he's a douche? Awesome! Don't contribute to Reborn.

EDIT2: damnumad.

The word "can" in my post was not meant to be taken as a solid literal position; it's humor. You replied to me in a passive aggressive way because of 1 word. And I'm still getting replies out of you. Who has the higher efficiency here? (Hint: Pharton)

You won the internet.





(if you want to feel that way)

This wasn't a competition until you turned it into one and immediately lost by forfeit. It's to be expected when you focus on the diction instead of the content, despite having terrible diction yourself, you filthy pleb.

Ah man, I can't keep up the act anymore.
gg

You mean the wannabe tough guy over the internet act? Yea, agreed. You're terrible at it. Plus you're fat.

Just say sorry you fucking canadian piece of sorry.

Critical thinking: the 'Murica Uncle Sam Redneck Infidel Special Snowflake Edition

i find very disturbing that the number 1 cool thing about quakeworld, live, 3... etc its a _BUGGGG!!!!_ (the strafe jump)
i hope sometime some developer makes something better BY PURPOSE

O_o

It was a bug, then they kept it in intentionally.

so when's the next show?

Sunday I think

Nawce. Looking forward. As long as these are consistent that'll show progress and hopefully keep enough interest around. I was definitely intrigued by the first one but it seems like most ppl already had seen a lot of it from the released sandbox.

90s kids arguing on a 90s website.... lmao

are you not entertained? stopped playing Quake (and FPS games) a long time ago, but i still come here occasionally

:D

wow, a lot of shit going on in here

Cubes, basic physics and weapons, some ui stuff etc... i can make it in 2 month on unity or ue4 working after main job.

they are working out their own engine as far as i know.

i know. But engine is not so important.
Look at Toxikk and Reflex. Toxikk is on UE 3. Good graphics but it is ut04 clone. Reflex is on their engine, it has ability to build levels in game(it is awesome but),it is q4-cpma clone. Results are the same 50 ppl online.
Now look at Reborn...

I can't see anything ;0

Looking forward to see a robot and a map editor this sunday :D

Next new game in development we can expect teletubbies arena. The goal of the game is to ghei your opponents to death. Everyone's happy.

so today there is another show?

yeah, there was one
for those who missed it and are interested: http://www.twitch.tv/2gd/v/3793540

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He's designing games like ten year olds do…

1) Draw a bunch of pictures
2) Talk about all the cool shit it’s going to have and do

Last week when he said "weapon concepts" I naïvely thought he meant 'concepts for weapons' as opposed to 'weapon concept art'. The strategy at this point seems pretty clear; make it pretty and swish so that it’ll succeed on Kickstarter. Unlike Reflex the amount funded is less important than simply succeeding so the actual goal will be much less.

Meanwhile he’s begging the community to make content for him, for free, but also slagging people off for charging for early access. He’s perfectly fine with ripping off Warsow and UT4 map aesthetics though.

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he did talk in length about how he doesn't like that map concept because its too warsow-ish.
also i remember him showing (his current vision of) how the weapons would actually function a few months back.
i wouldn't call it begging for free either, he has said that he would try to work out a system so that content creators get something out of doing stuff.
i don't want to seem like i'm brownnosing him but i feel like people give him too much shit here sometimes because they have known about his promised game long before most, and have grown tired of him not delivering.

People give him shit because he hasn't got a game; he's just got a rudimentary engine, some concept art and some assets.

What is Reborn going to offer that will make me want to play it over X?

Despite having years to answer this question in at least some way his only answer so far has been "Robots"Mutators/Classes and there isn't even any real detail about those.

Is it just going to be more of the same Q3A?

Plenty of other games have answered this - whether one finds their answers appealing or not - and are either already playable or there are videos of the game being played with detailed descriptions of how it works.

not loading. did he delete it or something?

Works for me.

It's like Duke Nukem Forver :)