Jamerio is especially welcome as we're all interested to see his evolution from "raped at q3" to king of Q4. It's our dream to one day pool our collective bankrolls (if they ever get into the positives, since in poker the dealer always wins Jamerio told me) and sponsor him to all the world tour stops next year where he will beat everyone. In my mind's eye I like to imagine cooller shaking Jamerio's hand after a tough loss and asking him "where were you in q3 man, you're amazing?" to which Jamerio replies "me? I was getting assraped by unnamedplayer on uk duel servers and posting on ESR 10 hours a day".

Oh well, I can dream...

lmao

Lets not mention being beaten in the majority of the d3 games he played with fooki, despite fooki being a "first timer" and jamerio practically designing d3 maps and learning them backwards!

ITS ALL MAP EXPERIENCE JAMERIO!

I mean, it's not like q4pro gaming is all he's got like, us poker players only having poker.
Then again why would he want to come to #holdempoker and hangout with a bunch of future heavy alcoholic losers. He's always got an pro arcade gaming carreer to fall back to. That and going on trips to USA 4-5 a year. That's life man, 4-5 trips to USA a year, oh yeah, living la vida loco. He earns 3 times more than your father and his work has sold FIFTEEN MILLION COPIES around the world. He's practically a superstar bound for Godlike status.

you setup a poker thread and jerk my name off so many times it's funny.

I don't have a problem with people playing poker, I just think it's wrong to depend on it as a way of life. Geez, I'm such a retard for that right?

Should you step out of IRC and into the real world for a few moments you might just find that those who don't have their head in the clouds think the same thing.
I can't help it if I'm smart enough to see the pitfalls of not wanting to waste my whole life playing internet poker.
Lets see, a profession which gets me to do what I have always wanted to do and earn decent money and travel from time to time, or stuck in a room day in day out grinding my ass to steal a few pots and banking on it for the rest of my life.

And thanks for letting the world know I managed to beat Fooki in a few games of a fps he knows reasonably well.
Considering he's one of the top 15 Q3 duellers in the world then it's hardly anything to be ashamed of. Fooki Owns!

one of my mates mate is up in €3000+ a day on unibet.com, his name is Boa123. Try and check the top 10 winner within 24 hours http://www.unibet.com/punter/pokerLobby.do (just scroll down a bit)..people stink at this game, because it requires a skill thats hard for people to aquire (the ability to fold). 90% of the players dont have the patience or will call when they should have folded because they want the rush of the possiblity that they might win...its "easy" to rip of people when you have played it for a while. He plays €20\€40 limits btw..oh and poker > "pro" gaming...

ok..you might ahve to login from the mainsite to see the gfx..

I don't care, and for the record I think both PRO-GAMING and Playing poker for a living is a joke. Even if you do make money out of it.

Pro gaming is a young mans game which means that most jack in education to commit for to the game, the competition is so tough many fail.
On top of that there are RSI problems which will happen and the prizes and lack of sponsorship make it worthwhile only for a handful of people.
Just like poker players a great er % of players fail, therefore you can arguably conclude that it's goign to cause problems for the majority of players.

As for poker, most people need a job in life to give them direction and something to do. I know what it's like to sit around the house all day and it drives me nuts.
If someone said your new job for the rest of your life is sitting in front of a pc and relying on having to make money from poker to pay the bills and stuff it would be so bad.

I don't doubt you can make money from playing poker and I don't doubt there is skill involved, I just think it's bad to want to rely on playing a game of poker to make ends meet.
Glorify it all you want.

i agree...a job at mickyD (as offo said) is much better than sitting in front of your pc all day long, even if your can earn three times the amount or whatever..real life > online/gaming shit..

Sitting infront of my pc all day long? I tell you what. One day in May this year I was sitting at my desk as usual, working 9-5 for Telia Sonera. That is sitting infront of a pc all fuckin day long. It was a quite shitty job but most people would consider it way better than flippin' burgers at McDonalds. I made about $1800 a month so it's not a well paid job. On my spare time I was building up my bankroll just for the fun of it, I didn't really had any intentions of playing poker for a living. Still I was asking myself "what am I doing here anyway? Is it that I enjoy my work? No. Is this what I want do with the rest of my life? Hell no".

While making up my mind about what I really would like to do with my life, one month later I decided to quit my job. At this time I played no more than 2-3 hours/day, 5-7 days/week. I made more than two times my montly salary. That is, I spend 2-3h a day infront of my pc instead of 8 hours being dissatisfied with the tasks and the job in general. Not to mention the measly amount of sparetime I had.

So please, try convince me that working at McDonalds is way better than making a living out of poker, if you've got that it takes to do it. It's not like I'm gonna play poker for the rest of my life, not for a living at least. I can get into like any university I want if I feel like studying again but I'm not gonna take some shitty jobs just for the sake of it. So go ahead and flip those burgers while I steal those pots.

My point was the social aspect in working with other people..perhaps mcdonalds wasnt the best example unless that's what you want to do and like it, but i think you get the picture. Money isnt everything in life, that's all.

"As for poker, most people need a job in life to give them direction and something to do. I know what it's like to sit around the house all day and it drives me nuts."

That's because you're a sheep, some of us use our free time to read literature, write screenplays and the like. We don't need to have 500 liscence plates a day to make to give our life meaning. Don't worry Jamerio there will always be a master to tell you what to do with your meaningless existence.

wow i liked that. tbh a great call.

Yes but you don't have a full life do you so how would you know?
You probably get your ass wiped by mom and dad and most of your relationships are fickle online one's which could be broken in seconds.
That's not true for most other people. It might be on ESR, but what I said was for players in general. I.E. perhaps guys with kids, jobs, or relationships, or mortgage payments to make.
I doubt you have any of those and those are the things which really change and shape people for life, not the few years their in college or university years (18-23).
Because the whole purpose of those years is for a foundation for the things I just listed.
You strike me as chopsy "know it all student" halfway inbetween dropping out of his course.
you probably have nothing to lose if you go bust, roof over your head, food etc and mom and dad will give you money to get by, its not like that a few years down the line.

You'll never convince me playing poker is a wise job choice for the masses. I agree some people have the skills to play it and maybe they should for whatever reasons they have for wanting a life ike that.
But for most people it's the wrong choice, thats not based on my sole opinion alone dummy, its based on lots of outside sources.
Many of those players probably got hooked in the first place by listening to people like you when they were teenagers who didn't know any better.

Why do you think the gambling industry is so strong?

Because there are way more suckers than than skilled players.
So grow the fuck up and stop trying to give bad advise.
If you want that way of life then fine, but quit risking other peoples livelihood by glamorising the fact that you'll spend your whole life trying to trick people day in day out to earn money and with every hand you play you risk getting others into debt and misery.

It's not like having a few poker and beers with the guys a few times a month, its a day in day out grind to prey on others peoples mistakes.
If you don'r like that then fine, but it's a fact whether you like it or not.

You're like a modern day sherlock holmes.

you should see what I can do with an ip address:)

Join a D3 server and get assraped by fooki?

No, that's a Q3 one:(

didnt you start this chan way back and it kinda died? well lets c how it turns out :) ill have a look when I get home :|

Yeah well, it just turned into a channel which me n fooki talked shit in but we got lonely.

online poker is fraud. please slag me off in a orderly fashion, thanks.

trolls need probation, not food!

here we go again..

#thp on quakenet if one poker channel isnt enough to get your fix also :)

Im not a pokerplayer, im stuck at the 9 - 17 rutine.
But easy math shows that for every "winner" (those who lives on poker, making a salary).
there is minimum 100+ loosers.
That is a quite large number. Therefor using pure logical considerations (xuse the english). Poker is BAD for most ppl.
Please correct me if im wrong.

"folds"

very true. but for most people it's a leisure activity and put in maybe a couple hundred dollars every month, and most don't bother to learn any strategy etc.


though it's sad that some go broke and sell their homes or other essentials to play :(

thats what i meen, compulsive gamblers just dont learn!
they keep on trying, and probably end up f. upped.
I truly acknolewdge (again xuse the shit english) the entertainment
of playing.I have nothing against poker.I just dont like that it`s available to everyone. Many families ruined, but as you say it`s not the game.Its who plays.

I guess we agree :)

That's bascially all I said mate, but this "addict" don't want to hear the reality.of that. He wants to believe he'll be working 3.5 hours a day and raking in 3500$ tax free a month, for life and never have to work again.
Don't spoil his little dream for him.

we will destroy these weaklings 1 by 1

Lets not forget that to the majority who do sit down and play it's a recreational game. The losers make too many mistakes which comes down to lack of knowledge. Losing players usually don't care because they're just playing for fun, or they're too arrogant/impatient to learn how to play a more correct game. I remember reading a mad Mike Caro article about some new wannabe pro's getting their game right purely by chance and winning. Then they start losing and they change their game approach and get it all wrong until they give up. A statistic of for every pro there are 10 failed. Although failed doesn't mean anything especially bad. Just that they didn't succeed after trying for maybe 40 hours total and giving up. Not much lost, you've gotta try to do what you want without being afraid sometimes.

or listening to pathetic and self-righteous pricks such as Jamerio.

Be, nice.
Im sure he meens well.
Can anyone tell me how (meens)
should be spelled?)

thx :)

No, he only wants to feel almighty as he knows his life is pathetic. He doesn't mean anyone well. All he wants is for people to think that he's someone. He was likely ignored/bullied in school. Now he's making wild exagerations about things on forums which aren't even impressive. All while looking down on other peoples choices because they're the opposite of what he wants. He's someone who doesn't understand anything besides himself and deep within he knows that he's pathetic.

Lol, get real I'm advising people not TO GAMBLE BECAUSE I WANT THE best for them. Ask Fooki how many times Iv'e bored him on IRC trying to get him to quit poker you poison little faggot.
Oh and quit trying to reflect your childhood as mine. I played Rugby for the school team and have even represented my country in a game.
Rugby players don't get bullied.

Looking down on peoples choices??

What choices? LOL, what choices and prospects have you talked about?
PLAYING POKER!!!
Being a pro poker player, yes what a great choice. You're obviously way smarter than me.
Quit trying to lie to people and spreading your frustration unto them.

I would also like to point out that the fact that you have totally mis-read my comments and are even lying on purpose in the vain hope of convincing someone who has not read the whole saga, suggests even more so to me that your little idea of playing poker for the rest of your life will be your downfall.
you don't strike me as controlled, mature or calm, or any of the things needed to be a successful player, you just fly off teh handle because the truth hurts and you can't bear the fact that I'm right about this.
When i asked him to prove me wrong he got all angry, puts me one ignore and pretends he's not really reading this when I know he can't resist:)

Any successful player/fighter/race driver whatever all know the ricks of what they do, yet you talk as if there are no ricks and get angry when people present them to you.
You don't strike me as that person. you strrike me as someone desperate for this fantasy career to any easy life.
You'll see.

Rugby players don't get bullied.

Neither do professinal boxers.

YOU SHOULD SEE ME AND MY GUN YO!

means :D

I love you melachi!

Or listening to angry loners like Melachi who have thrown their education away for a life at the poker table.
He's 20 years old and he knows he wont get addicted to poker.
A star in the making he's making 3500$ a month for a few hours work a day.

ROLL UP, ROLLUP, give up school, give up your job and play Poker for a living. It's the real thing.

twat.

then again u don't have to do those things to play poker now do u

Doesnt it ever occur to you that some people can simply not see themselves as an individual who would be happy with a normal 9/5 office job?

I will go out on a limb here and try to show you what youre way of thinking truly represents, since i do not think you have stopped to think further than poker in specific.

Your pattern of thinking basically states that it is unwise to choose a profession in which you have no financial security. Now this clearly has numerous paralells , music, actors , professional athletes , even chess players and numerous other examples.

Which brings us to the point of what our world would look like if everyone had your mentality . The mainstream world would have never been introduced to grunge rock if the late kurt cobain hadnt pursued his ambition even if at that time it was a huge risk finance wise. Amazing actors like al pacino wouldve never seen the light of day since coming to hollywood with nothing more than a suitcase full of clothes is clearly not a sound financial plan.

Did these individuals contribute something to society? A classical music fan or a movie hater would beg to differ. All they did was choose a path that would enable them to wake up and look at themselves in the mirror every morning without having to think 'why did i never try and pursue my dreams'.

The people defending poker here do not have the specific ambition to sit behind a pc and grind out a living, they most likely aspire to be professionals travelling the world , appearing on television, perhaps even write a poker book someday.

Who are you then to say that they cannot pursue their ambition but must do something else because it is supposedly the 'wise' thing to do ? I can only admire the people who have the balls to try and do something they really want to do, but apparently some of us have been capitalism'ed far too much to see things in a clear fashion.

how do you know it's their ambition, do you honestly think all these gamers grew up with the intention of being a starr poker player?
I'm pretty certain actors and Cobain (not a great example seeing as he did drugs and shot his brains out) wanted to do that their whole life. I seriously doubt most people who get into poker do so for the love of it, ratherr because they believe they can make money and for most that's all they care about.

Forgetting that in order to be a success someone else has to lose money.
Someone who might be gambling his kids college money or bill money, or money to pay the mortgagage. Someone who might be stealing from tehir family to fund their habbit, because they got addicted to gambling.
that's the difference, theres no honour and 99.9% of poker players will just take and give very little back.

I hear what you're saying, but I just don't think Poker's a valid excuse or anyhitng other casio game.
If you don't want to do boring 9-5 you don't have to play poker, it's an extreme jump IMO.
And seeing as many of the poker players who do this for a living say its boring then I have no doubt its all about the money.

I would never crap on someone's dream, even if it were things that I don't care or admire (like for example someone who dreams of carpets or something equally uncommon) but the whole poker thing and drem thing is not quite rubbing off on me.

How is it a poker players fault that others are so dumb to risk their life on poker when they do not know the game at all?
By saying that u admit that poker is about skill btw , which means that for a trained professional playing poker full time is a quite realistic option as an entirely logical deduction

I fully agree casino games like roulette are a total waste, since there is no system to regularely beat that game, however that it just not true in games like poker and bridge and several other card games.

Also is growing up with the ambition to be something a requirement to try it later on in life? I very much disagree with your assumption that an actor for example has always wanted to be just that, it is far more likely he played some roles in e.g. school plays and people told him he was talented and should stick to it .

And as for poker players not giving anything back, did you know that almost all the top poker players give huge donations to various charities because they realise how blessed they are? I dont see many corporate bigshots doing the same with the exception of mr gates who deserves every praise he can get for what he does for good causes.

I can see your view in a way dont get me wrong, but the way you express it is just lousy to be frank.

And as for kurt cobain , yes he did drugs and arguably commited suicide, but he did that because he resented the very thing the corporations and the media turned nirvana and him personally into as is well documented. He never aspired to be the icon for a generation and i think if you would get that bestowed on you you would likely do the same
If anything i think his death should make people think about this society

I never said it's wrong for so and so to play poker, I just believe in the long run, as a general rule (for the majority of players who want ot paly it professionall) it's bad news and that will never change.
taking money off people is not that great to be honest. And at times it's not their fault. Ever heard of the word addiction?

All sorts people people get sucked into the whole poker thing and many, far more come out of the game sore than the winners you talk about.
If someone has an addiction then it could be argued that they are not in control. gambling and especially internet gambling is actually a really, really big problem.
Before you needed to go to a casino or a bookies to have a flutter, now you simply turn out your computer, and you're not even playing with real money.
It comes out of your account, so it's easier for a lot of people to get carried away and lose money they can't afford. Yes it's their problem, but that's a crappy outlook on life. Not everyone is smart, I admit poker requires good reading skills etc, not everyone has them but it can take years for people to finally admit defeat at a game of poker, by which time they might consider themselves broke, no skills, and face the prospect of wroking some crappy low paid job or getting money and getting back into the game.

Anyway I don't care anymore, I can't even play poker and I'm glad I can't as I might well be tempted to go for it too, but I still say its a very danagerous to play on a fulltime basis, you risk losing out on so much and ultimately you risk losing it all if you have a period where you get greedy. Everyone makes mistakes and it's a well known fact that many gamblers and poker players go bust many many times before they reach the top.
That can take years and where would a no skilled poker player get money from?
Either by borrowing it or getting into debt for it. If you think you're good enough to never lose your original stake then whatever.
No matter waht you say ambling does far more harm than it does good and that ratio will nver change so ultimately it's always a bad for the majoriy of players who take it up.
If you look on poker tourney on Tv I have seen players who have beaten 100's of players to get te the final table, some have only been playing poker for like 6 months and have beaten players who have been playing professionally for many years. It's not all skill.

Well actually i started with a 25$ deposit which is in no way a financial risk clearly and have never been in danger of going broke in all this time. Am i lucky or maybe i just have a talent for the game?

And yes i agree far too many people think they can be pro poker players now and just waste their money away without a clue. But not everyone will play the game without knowing what their doing , and i personally have no problem taking those peoples money , if i have to care about some american donating me his salary i might as well be a monk.

Since if i work for any random corporation chances are they exploit workers in the east for minimum wages and whatnot

Great mentality, so if someone else exploits someone else then you might aswell do it too and contribute to that?

It's that mentality which is why there is so much crap going on in the world.

so wait

wait, wait wait wait.


I can spend 2-4 hours a day a few days a week and make more than enough money to support myself-- a typical early-20's life-- and spend the rest of the day and week pursuing my acting career by playing poker, but Jamerio doesn't like this and thinks it's ruining the 'finer points of life' because he can't play poker for SHIT?!


LOL.

Nothing was ever said about pursuing other goals.
The points were made based on and aspiring to do anyting else but playing poker.
No I can't play poker and don't want to make poker my life.
Sorry for being so dumb.

If you want to be an actor and play poker in your spare time to earn some "kash" then gl to you.
For what it's worth I would pay good money to see you act, so lets us know when you hit the big time!!

the point was that due to the potential efficiency of poker it in fact allows me to do the very opposite of what you say it does: free up time & resources for me to pursue other worthwhile avenues in life that will give me those richer life experiences that you speak so highly of, rather than "sit in a room all day 'busting my ass' to make ends meet not gaining life experience" like you say-- which is exactly what i would be doing if i was trying to hold down a regular 'steady' office job 40-50 hours a week. From playing a fun and interesting game the exact opposite is achieved.

you're missing my whole point. I never singled out anyone and said it's a bad idea for so and so to play poker.
that's the biggest problem with A LOT of people on this site, they can't process things properly.

I said, it's generally a bad idea for the masses and it is. I'm sure for a TINY, TINY % of people it works out well.
But for most it can get be nothing more than a costly distraction.
Like I said if you can play poker and earn a few bucks to get you through life then GL.

You do realise that you contribute to wars and a ton of other things with every tax dollar you pay? You wear clothes made by underpaid employers? You drive a car which is fueled by a substance people go to war over?
Improving the world starts by looking at yourself first.

As i said, whatever you do chances are someone somewhere suffers from it in an indirect fashion, i do need feel the need to fake a calling for improving the world right now for i am in no position to even be able to do so . And if you really do want to improve the world, being on esr will not be a good way to do so as a tip ;)

Oh we're playing that card, the whole of society is contributing to shit that goes on in the world.
Gamers and agamblers philosophies are the best. Gives you an excuse to do anything.
Most people moan about goverments, tax and stuff, but the fact is most people are too retarded to live in a socitey without law and order.
(Just look at New Orleans after Katrina, the second those barriers were down many people, even police were looting and taking advantage)

It costs things to run to world, to build roads, to light streets, that what makes the world what it is. Do you really think if everyone was equal and we all had mansions and fast cars, and anything we wanted people would still be working some crappy job?
Most of what you enjoy in life is there becasue of that continious cycle and understanding.
If you think it's some conspiracy of the government to steal then you need to get a clue. If that stuff was not true the world would be utter chaos, still believe what you want.
Anyway, I don't care anymore. I made my point a long time ago.
Time to fold:)

cant be arsed to read this whole thread, but as a consumer you contribute to society even if you magically made money appear out of your arse..

Offcourse 'society' as you call it has a use. To keep the sheep under controll as was perfectly illustrated by the very example u use. Blind people with flashy gameshows, ready - to - eat food , entertainment on demand , high-powered cars and all those others things as the intro to trainspotting stated so well

People do not steal those things as happened in new orleans when there is not something fundemantally wrong in the system in the first place.
Leaving the poor behind in a city that is about to be hit by a hurricane because they cant pay for the bus ticket and hotel to stay while its perfectly possible to spend 150 billion $ on a war over oil does that make you feel proud about your beloved society? That makes me wanna puke. This world IS utter chaos and becomes more filled with jaded self-centered idiots every single day

I'm just as guilty in using the 'products' western capitalism gives me as anyone else here, but dont even think for one second i am in any way proud of western people or even myself or 'the world what it is' as you put it.

In a way i'm awaiting the day the oil sources run dry with a rather macabre urgency, on that day this will all come crashing down right back into the stone-age and humankind will reinvent itself to become a better race as we were some 10.000 years ago when there were no rules and oddly enough also no chaos? Survival of the fittest rather than those with the most money , which offcourse isnt all that great either but far superior to this current pile of shit.

Still it boggles my mind how you can buy into all the pre-chewed crap so easily, in a certain fashion i feel sorry for you.

There are already a lot of alternative energy sources atm (seen that small reactor that runs with 25% petrol or vegetal oil, and 75% of whatever liquid u can find? salted water, coca-cola, etc). It just doesnt bring enough money to governments and big companies, so they're carrying on with petrol (in france, about 80% of the gas prices are taxes).
Once oil won't be available anymore, those big companies will put enough money in research departments to make up new engines with new energies, and they will sell that energy a very good price (for them, ofc). They're just waiting for oil to be "depleted".

Do you know how much it costs to create a new engine? a LOT. That's why most of today's engines on cars are just old ones (there are still a lot of engines bases that have been created in the 80s), with new features: double headcam shafts, 4 or 5 valves per cylinder instead of 2, diesel 1.9L's turned into brand new engines just by adding a turbo, direct injection systems, intercoolers, and a better cooling... And they sell those at gold price.

I have every faith in the fact that there will not be sufficient alternative energy available by the time the sources run out, energy consumption will have seen a massive increase by that time compared to now and unless they start working on it right now theres no chance of catching up

And starting right now just isnt gonna happen , no profit in it and the current bigshots wont be around anyway to see the day oil depletes so why bother is their mindset, and politics cannot even agree over something relatively trivial as contuining to use nuclear power.

Peoples stupidity will bite them in the ass big-time in 50 years :) barring some kind of new spectacularely efficient energy producing invention , like somehow harnassing the massive energy produced by stars (eg the sun obviously) or a vast improvement in space travel and colonization

In my opinion offcourse

yea they'd rather focus on things like nuclear fusion and alternative energies for vehicles rather than planning to go to mars or to the moon again :(

leave jamerio alone. he is an idiot.

Maybe I'm doing my little bit by putting up valid points by showing the bad points of playing poker, as opposed to jumping on the "OMG PRO GAMER-PRO POKER PLAYER" pokers the best thing in life, drop everything to play it, 3.5 hours a day and you too can be rich and never do a solid days work, its the real thing, it's that easy. Come one down.
There's stacks of chips to be made, it really is that easy.

But tell me this, yr 20 years old, play poker successfuly (as a fulltime job-giving up school etc) for the next 10 years, and then you get bored want to do something different.
<Because sitting at the computer grinding out hands might actually become boring>
What would you do then?
Be the 30 something pushing trolleys around Asda's/Wallmart becasue you have no job experience and folded your education for in pursuit of a game of poker.

If someone said, I play poker in my sparetime and earn a few bucks, or do it while in college then that would be fine.
I just don't like the idea of some people making out you can just drop everything for a life at the table. it's bullshit and I don't care how much you flame, I'm right and you're wrong on this one.
The only people sticking up for poker is the players themselves.
even if I was a successful poker player, I would still warn most people from it.
Same as I would IF I was a pro-gamer like Fatal1ty.
I already know some players who are like 16-17 convinced tehy're gonna be a pro-player and just intend on focusing on that.
It's just retarded and escapist idea.

Never did i say that dropping an education for poker is a good plan. In fact i would strongly disencourage it.

However i am not in that situation and i do encourage everyone else who isnt either and wants to try poker - or other non-regular ways to make a living - to give it their best shot.

Act local, think global.

yeah, fraud.

"If you look on poker tourney on Tv I have seen players who have beaten 100's of players to get te the final table, some have only been playing poker for like 6 months and have beaten players who have been playing professionally for many years. It's not all skill."

It's really cool the way you keep comparing NO LIMIT FREEZEOUT tournaments to everyday cash games where you can leave whenever you choose and there are limits set on buyins and stakes. It's the equivalent of comparing a full formula 1 race to driving to the shops with your nan on a saturday. No nan don't get in the car, Ayrton Senna died doing that years ago!!1one.

You're one of the stupidest people I've ever seen post on ESR as you continually speak as though you were an authority on something you clearly don't even understand the basic rules of since you keep using analogies which are about as air tight as Kurt Cobain's head.

Yes, but that the fact that you're on probation and are generally known as a shit stirrer within ESR takes any authority out of your opinion.
Mine are based on facts and achievements I have made in the real world.
You?
You'rew probably living some half assed existence where everything is taken care of for you (by mom and dad), so you think that shits gonna stay the same.
I know I'm right on this one. The fact that you talk like poker is such a great way of life for the masses proves waht an immature, lost, and clueless little child you really are.

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/attack.htm

Oh and being sponsored by an arcade to play games isn't an achievement, it's a dark secret you should take to the grave with you.

"You'rew probably living some half assed where everything is taken care of for you, so you think that shits gonna stay the same."

Yeah I live in the playboy mansion and am waited on hand and foot by the centerfolds, regardless that doesn't affect the validity of my statement that you are not only wrong but of very low intelligence.

You're also terrible at games: in Q3 you get raped and fooki raped you in D3, despite having only just installed it, LOL.

Fooki raped me in one game of Doom 3 (on dm2 the most inbalanced map in existence-The one where Rocketboy beat fatal1ty 25-3). The rest usually went into sudden death. And it was only fun anyway.
Iv'e seen Toxic rape rape Cooller on dm6, and Iv'e seen vo0 getting owned by Xhep at one game a few months ago at the cpl.
It happens and anyone with an ounce of understanding knows it means nothing unless it's done consistently.

And Fooki knows Doom 3 pretty well, quit making out he just started playing. He just started playing again this year, but he played it for many months in 2004, cuz I saw him online and like most gamers was probably training for CPL. He knows the maps.
And FYI he's one of the best q3 duellers in the world, how could i possibly beat himc at q3?
99% of people reading this would get beat pretty badly by him. I felt lucky enough taking a few games of d3 off him.
After playing q3 for the last 3 weeks and only having played it from my works pc for a few stolen moment before. It's not even worth a mention. God I'm only just bothering to learn the plasma climb.

I realise my comments anger you becasue they're not what you want to hear, but stick to the topic in hand.
Talking about game scores has no relevance and to the topic in hand, it just proves you're out of ideas and arguements for what we were talking about and you're just getting angry at the fact I keep proving you wrong.
Thus looking to change the topic and using scores against professional players to give you some illusion of leverage.
So sad. Yet typical of what I would expect of something like you.

Also I'm curious as to why I would hide my arcade past?
I was one of the best in the country at fighting games and was offered/accepted a job by the developer of my sponsored games becasue of my skills in the game?
And then moved on to beaing a game design and I am awaiting visa approval for a job I have been offered in the USA, cuz that's my next goal and it's somewhat on track.
If one of the readers on ESR got a job with idsoftware because they were so good at q3 you it would be such a big deal.
I turned playing games into a job before I was 18 years old and within 2 was earing more than the teachers and head-masters said it's a waste of time and whats more fulfilling my ambitions and goals.

I have never lost to Xhep in a CPL game, so how could I have gotten owned?
I want to say alot more stuff about you, but I don't like the fact that it is pointless because you are indeed self-righteous and think that your life > world, thus making it impossible to discuss, not even counting in the fact that you will have last word anyway.
Go live your own super perfect life which is better than everyone elses and let the others live their worthless meaningless existenses.

Or was it Aim(actually Im pretty sure it was now)?
I dunno I was watching TSN and they said you got beat by someone who was ranked 15th plus? (by like 26 points) in a freak game and got really pissed about it, then when you played him again you did the same to him.
I probably still haveb the recording somewhere.

Try not to be so sensitive about your losses and don't get all personal and take on unfounded opinions about me becasue I made a mistake about someone you played and mentioned about a freak occurence when you lost a game to someone everyone expected you to beat.
Makes you look like you can't take anything but praise.
If you have stuff to say then feel free to say it. So long as it's true.
I'm not quit sure where the super perfect life comes from since I have never said anyhthing like that and never would, posted that I have achieved some of my goals in defense of someone slating me and that's about it.
Perhaps when I get raped at q4 I'll be more depressive and fit in better into the ESR community.

Trust me I didn't say those things about you because you told me I got beaten. I can take a loss, and I can take non-praise. And it must have been Aim, he beat me quite badly in CPL Turkey in the 2nd map, but the 1st and the 3rd map were mine, it was also the last time I lost a map to someone I shouldn't have lost a map to.
And the super perfect life comes from the you praise nothing but your own life.

What happened in that game, did things just go to shit, or did you underestimate him, or did he play really well or what? (no disrespect to Aim or anyhting)

no no no, this is quality entertainment, don't ask him to stop

no i did not play for many months, i played a few games with 10 fps :) didn't u notice that i had to run around and check where all the weapons were before we started?

That was the very first time we played. I needed to do the same thing when I started q3 a few weeks ago, but that takes seconds. We played quite a few games since then. You knew exactly how to play, and knew your way around. I doubt that was from a "few" games. Plus I saw you on ASE in 2004 from about August, until the time CPL doomed us with PK WT announcement (October/ish) (sorry PK community!)
Rememerb when all the CPL PK players were playing doom 3, vo0, Xhep, Aim, Ztrider etc.

I don't doubt you've played it a shitload less than me, but I'm confident you played it enough to feel comfortable after the first few games.
Besides you're a pro!

lol

You are you won Qlan2 and beat the mighy Cooler and CZM and even have your own FUCKY mousepad just like fat :)

i had to get rid of it :( it was just too disgusting. even for me

"I still say its a very danagerous to play on a fulltime basis, you risk losing out on so much and ultimately you risk losing it all if you have a period where you get greedy. Everyone makes mistakes and it's a well known fact that many gamblers and poker players go bust many many times before they reach the top."

that sentence alone shows u dont have clue of what u are talking about.

a good professional player shouldnt go broke in an eyeblink since he should be managing his bankroll properly, and actually he never plays with money taken from his bank account.

You should have enough money to survive a (very) long losing streak.

You're just mixing up the way amateur poker/blackjack/roulette players play and the way people who have a clue about what they are doing play.

*TILT*

8bitlobster locked

If anyone still wonders what Lakerman is doing:

#holdempoker (@Lakerman) dont play 30/60 anymore.. try to play 100/200 and up

Which are pretty massive limits to play at online, I guess we won't be seeing him back in Q4 anytime soon :)

i wonder what he makes a month :D

Ask him it would be nice to know. I don't doubt poker can be good for some people. But only a few.
Same as pro-gaming.

i dont know if its apropriate to ask him, ppl dont like to talk about money :)

my gues is somwhere between 5 grand to 20 grand a month tho.

ffs, someone just ak him :)

dont know how he makes a month but he did say his br is about 500.000 since you at least need that to play at 100/200

i dont wanna say it cause i dont know if he wants it to be official, but i can atleast say its moore :p

'about $100k/mo'

He makes at least $30k a month.

"But only a few.
Same as pro-gaming."

With "pro-gaming" only about 5 people have ever made above $100k a year in Europe. With poker literally thousands make that each and every year, so keep talking about something you know nothing about idiot. Who knows, maybe Vo0 will own you again when your ignorance spreads to his field of expertise.

It's a ratio.

The amount of people who AIM for a life in poker is far higher than the amount of people that aim for a life in pro-gaming, so naturally the success rate is going to be higher and your point is TOTALLY invalid, not by me, but just by basic maths and probability.

The fact that anyone can pick up poker and learn it means it's a lot more inviting than having to have played millions of games and spend a great deal of time in a fairly hardcore envirnoment. So of course the success rate is going to be higher.
Hey guess what, there are more poor people in Eithioia than white people. I wonder why????
Geez, seriously, you're not too smart are you?
This is like really basic stuff and still you can't grasp it, yet you're smart enough to live off poker.
Keep trying though thorin, this is great practice for you., lol.
For once make a valid point to backup your claims and I'll shut up.

" It's a ratio."
"So of course the success rate is going to be higher."

Good contradiction, perhaps you should do some reading up on that "basic maths" chum.

"there are more poor people in Eithioia than white people"

That pretty much sums up both your intellectual standing and the level of debating talent you have lol.

TAKEN FROM THE GAMBLERS ANONYMOUS SITE


1. Did you ever lose time from work or school due to gambling?

2. Has gambling ever made your home life unhappy?

3. Did gambling affect your reputation?

4. Have you ever felt remorse after gambling?

5. Did you ever gamble to get money with which to pay debts or otherwise solve financial difficulties?

6. Did gambling cause a decrease in your ambition or efficiency?

7. After losing did you feel you must return as soon as possible and win back your losses?

8. After a win did you have a strong urge to return and win more?

9. Did you often gamble until your last dollar was gone?

10. Did you ever borrow to finance your gambling?

11. Have you ever sold anything to finance gambling?

12. Were you reluctant to use "gambling money" for normal expenditures?

13. Did gambling make you careless of the welfare of yourself or your family?

14. Did you ever gamble longer than you had planned?

15. Have you ever gambled to escape worry or trouble?

16. Have you ever committed, or considered committing, an illegal act to finance gambling?

17. Did gambling cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?

18. Do arguments, disappointments or frustrations create within you an urge to gamble?

19. Did you ever have an urge to celebrate any good fortune by a few hours of gambling?

20. Have you ever considered self destruction or suicide as a result of your gambling?

When you've failed the test (agree on 7 or more), feel free to drop them a line, that is if you can answer honestly.

[email protected]

Oh I forgot poker is not gambling is it.

Yes let's all quote as an authority an organization which urges its members to put their faith in a "higher power", LOL.

4 and thats pushing it already, since 2 of these are quite arguable

I see i'm quite the problem gambler lol

I have like 1, MAYBE 2-3 on that list.

i.e I lose sleep/stay up late/miss school but I did that way before I started playing poker, because of Q3 etc.

poker is 100% gambling

Funny i can say yes to like 7of those and i dont gamble, at all. Played poker like 6 months got bored and quit it and i had +$ and im still happy about that.. But i better contact them about my gambling problems :D

Haha !

I was going to say before that Lakerman interview no one on here ever mentioned poker. Since then though alot people on ESR jumped on the poker band wagon, it also spread across other communities.

what lman interview?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=598628

The popularity of poker, especially online has been on the rise throughout the world the past few years with or without a lakerman interview :)

Yea it has. It's exploded, it's on TV virtually every night. But i'm sure when people heard of lakerman making hundreds of thousands a year playing poker online i'm sure from there on people on here took it up.

'you idiot' , always the reply of a overmatched debator.

Lets see, basic needs of an online poker site for dummies:

- poker software, seems like a no-brainer : probable cost anywhere from 1 - 10 million depending on licensing - own production. Writing a from-scratch massive client-server program including security, anti fraud, anti cheats is not a trivial task to even the most talentend development team

- Site hardware costs + rent for site infrastructure, power usage and all the utilities not too mention an SLA for 99.998 % uptime : Your regular dual xenon server platform for a medium business will crumble like a cookie under the strain of 100.000 simultaneous users. And lets not forget the dbase - mysql servers with very likely custom software etc etc. probably cost , 10 million probably is skimping a bit., the SLA for this on an island in the middle of nowhere probably costs that much alone.

- Bandwith : now this is where it really starts to sting, were talking dedicated 100 gbit line to the same primitve island with the best possible routing to everywhere, that baby will set you back slightly more than your basic dsl. Potential cost : priceless basically

- employees , helpdesk, lawyers, customer service bla bla bla : a ton more than youre average b&m casino

I'm sure i'm forgetting some other obvious expenses but as is clearly shown, do not be fooled. It costs a ton to run even a small size online poker site, without the very small percentage they ask there wouldnt even be online poker, relying on advertising alone would be pure suicide for 99.99 % of sites

Also, it is technically impossible to 'cheat' an online poker site due to the way its programmed, at the very best a poker bot can be used to play for you, and this is relatively easily spotted

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haha such crap. there are loads of poker software available for free and all the costs you mentioned have to be payed at a real casino plus more. suckers

lol, your average java poker program wont quite cut it i'm afraid :)

Also you have no idea how much that hardware costs do you specifically the SLA, let alone the bandwith , i'm a network engineer by profession i'm not taking a wild guess here.

Its a simple fact online site maintenance costs are through the roof compared to a real casino

and you have no idea how much a real casino costs, ass. try replying also. there are loads of poker programs that are free that aren't java based. so exploitive it's ridiculous. aw poker the promo of greed and bad maths.

Youre a really lousy debator arent ya, or just a stupid little kid

Try writing once sentence without an insult , you might come across more maturely

And as a matter of fact i do know quite well how much it costs to run an establishment like that.

But i'm not bothering, at least jameiro defends his points, you just stoop to insults

contradiction, try again

but jamerio's defenses are insulting :)

wtf stop replying to clueless guys like offo & jamero for your own good. You're only wasting your time. I can tell you right now you cant get them to shut up, i had arguments like this before, and you cant win them (not that theres anything to gain by that anyway)

Why the heck do you give a shit about what they say anyway.

How can you possibly win an arguement when you're arguement is so flawed?

Try seeing how many career advisers advise a game of poker.
NONE.

try seeing how many colleges and schools offer poker as a a prospectus.
NONE.

It's not offered becasue is generally a VERY BAD IDEA for most people to play as a full-time job, we're not talking the occassional game here over a few beers and laughs, we're talking playing 1000's of hands over the computer. as your lifes work.
If you are stuck in that way of life then fine, but quit making out you have a point to argue, you don't.

Take yourself out of IRC for a few moments, go speak to some people in the real world instead of those with a same ideas and "ambitions".
Nobody but the people successfully playing poker thinks its a smart move apart from the retards who watched Rouders and want to be Matt Damon, or hear stories of how Lakerman make 100k a month.
go steal some low limit pots of idiots on partpoker.com
It's the same as playing RA3, even if you win, you still lose.

Like I said, show me one poker player who makes enough to earn a living and I'll show you a 1000 failed players who listend to people like yourself.
How do you think Internet poker survies, there are always more losers than winners.
If you don't care what I think then quit acting like you do.
If it's right for you then great. I never said is was bad for everyone. Just most. That's it end of story, or do you know wish to argue that everyone should aim for a life playing poker. Just stick to what you do, but quit calling me clueless, it's just to ironic.

You do realise that you contribute to wars and a ton of other things with every tax dollar you pay? You wear clothes made by underpaid employers? You drive a car which is fueled by a substance people go to war over?
Improving the world starts by looking at yourself first.

I do not care about winning, i know perfectly well they will never concede a point and neither will i because i completely disagree . I'm merely entertaining myself and the other esr visitors judging from my sudden rise to stardom on the plus system lol

damn, im such a idiot, why didnt i notice that :/

then again i dont think i have the patience nor the vocabularly to make comments that sound "intelligent" or witty enough to be plus worthy :<

Dont need patience, ive spent exactly 10 minutes to write everything i did in this thread so far combined

I can assure you they have taken far more time to come up with somewhat reasonable replies , which is what entertains me :)

hehe

you know i'll just copy past some replies lets see how that works out...

yet they're far better

This [+] is just for you cuz one day Teddy KJB's gonna scoff that orio and then it's aces full Frankie!

And then you'll you driving Lakermans Truck, pick up your mate Hugh! from Jail, get back home, womens gone with your sheets, then you an hugh go rounding at the municipals to pay for hugh's debt cuz he stuck up for you on ESR in 2005.
When that screws and you get beaten up by Bumblebee Rick it's no going back to NYC to borrow money from the lonely old judge and getting revenge on teddy KGB, no sir-ree, you'll be stuck on the road with Hugh! talking about nut flushes and how you lost Teffy KJB, becasue all you could think about was Vegas and the Fkin Mirage!

Remember:

television = real life

zzz

all these addicts...it's so beautiful *sniff sniff*

Poker is 100% luck during the course of one single hand and 100% skill during the course of hundreds of thousands of hands. Luck is also the reason why playing poker professionally is possible in the first place. It deceives the bad players into believing they are doing something right even though they are actually throwing away money every hand they mistplay. If poker was a 100% skill game there simply wouldn't be enough bad players to feed the good ones and keep the food cycle alive. This is also why Lakerman is making hundred times more money playing poker than he would ever make by playing video games.

"Poker is 100% luck during the course of one single hand"

no.

Erm... Yes?

isolation, bluffing...

Maybe I should have been more clear. It's impossible to tell who's a better player on the outcome of one single hand.

I feel bad (hypocritical), been playing roulette over the last week with consistent wins everyday, for about 2-3 hours play. At a bookies.
I'm not playing to gamble, I'm playing a numbers game in my head nad a game of math and probability.
I'm doing so to earn some extra money, but it's temptiong cuz I'm making about 200-250 quid for about 2-3 hours play.
And this output has been consistent for nearly a week, the only time i lost, was when I "lost on one day" was when I got greedy, came home, next day went back and won what I lost the day before and a few hundred more by playing tight and really grinding it out.

I never said poker was crap, I just said people need to be careful with it. Yes earning this money is good because I'm only doing part time work ATM until my Visa gets sorted (if at all) but I must admit it's tempting to do this a lot more, than doing computer chores for people for 1/8 of waht I make per hour playing roulette.
I don't even get any satisfaction from the work cuz it's just medial stuff ATM while I'm waiting for something better.

BTW if you ar wondering how I only play at the bookies on the gaming terminals, at a casino I would get busted because it's so obvious what I'm doing and it's very simple technique, based on the Martingale, and whilst I am aware of the pitfalls of using that system, I have managed to reduce the big losses commonly associated with people who Dbl up all the time. I do, but it's more strategic and it really favors the privacy the of betting termnials. I dont do online because it's too easy to play whenever you're bored and traditional casionos would not like my methods.

ur lastest novel.

it's shit