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Any good VODs?

zDaemon still has some CTF going, not sure about D2

edit: you fragged FUCKYOURBITCH

biggest doom ports are zdaemon and zandronum (ex-skulltag).

i think they (not sure who is they) will choose original. because otherwise its a political decision for a port. its a sensible topic for classic doom player which port is better. but maybe it will be played on xbox. id released doom three times on xbox.

holy shit this looks amazing

I really miss the Doom2 style Super Shotgun... It was such a great weapon, I was really disappointed with the quake shotgun, it never had the really satisfying feel of the Doom2 one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTWP3wvAUuQ

by the way, maybe its just me, but i would like to see a quad damage tourney instead

no me too >8-) incl Doom3

i still like Rocketboy vs Gopher !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5C2rZf2GbY&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_10wQ7agJ0g&hd=1

WHY Fatal1ty doesent upload his Doom3 Demo vs Daler ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fatal1tyTV/search?query=doom3
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=doom3+fa...p;oq=doom3

Thx for the links, first time I see a doom3 duel tournament. What happened with doom3 in the end? Was the competitive scene big at any point?

i guess at that time the hardware to run doom3 properly was too expensive
for me it was a amd64 3000+ & geforce gt5600, cant even run Quake4 properly with a single core cpu

now days, like Quake4 u can run much more frames ... but doom3 mp is not smooth enough for the pro's
there are still demos witch should uploaded in 1080p for our enjoyment !

u should match si_fps 60 / 90 / 120

CA. Great not going then I guess. I'm guessing we'll have 1v1 thunderstruck instead of duel next year.

my expectations about qcon went down the river long time ago but they will definitely have a hard time to top the banana pushing over a hoolahoop action from last year.

They really don't have a clue, rofl.

Basically terrorism.

Cooller, pack those bags.

Clan Arena ? seriously ? why not TDM instead ? or even CTF ???.......

Because past years' tournaments were quite shit I guess

well clearly the fix is to go to a game mode totally unsuited for competitive play yes?

Well, be aware of the fact that due to the lack of success of past team cups they could have as well not hold a team tournament at all.
I think it's alright to have CA, a few of the newbs on ql.com might be watching it and eventually find more interest in competetive play.

do you understand that CA is way more boring to watch than ctf. If they wanted spectator entertainment ctf was the best choice. People who play CA play it anyway, watching CA is not going to bring anyone new.

On a different note, I understand that for you who wanted to go there and play this is a major bummer but for me as a spectator it does not really give or take anything.

Let's see how things turn out

If they didn't want to do TDM or CTF, then Domination would have been a better choice than CA. At least people would have been interested to see how top teams approach it and whether it's suited to competitive play. The novelty interest alone would have been good.

this year CA, next year next mod?

The CTF and TDM ones went quite well and were fun to watch as-well, now how CA will be fun ?

Seriously, they were disappointing except for the finals.

they were not, they were quite fun to watch ( and i hate watching team tournaments and they were still nice )

YOUR MAPS FUCKING SUCK BITCH

As much as I hate it , yes.

CTF would not provide an exciting tournament.
NA comp scene consists of one pug channel. That's it. Everyone knows everybody.
Even then , there is one team that doesn't even need to play (ROOF) that can re-assemble overnight and win everything without dropping one match. Eu teams have little to no incentive to travel for CTF only, and they have failed to win anyway.

TDM is even less active in NA. There isn't one comp team. And it would be insane these days for TDM eu team to travel as well.

That leaves us with CA... that is actually
1. pretty active
2. teams can be assembled overnight
3. Have rather small gaps on top, which WILL provide interesting bracket.

yea, but CA is not really quake, so I feel you.

CTF would not provide an exciting tournament.

Did you watch last year's CTF tournament? Shit was awesome. Exciting as hell.

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yes i did. The most exciting match was in 1/8

Yeah exactly this. CA is a bit dull to watch, so I would rather wanna see one of the new modes like for example domination.

>:[

sorry kozel :CC:CC

hehe

Imagine heartless or jigglywiggly (1200 elo) winning quakecon. What a sad day for quake.

Still is sad that duel prize money and attention are going to severely hinder due to lolca and doom2. Non-quake stealing the spot from quake in quakecon as an official statement, not only in practice like it was before with the guitar hero and tshirt giveaway stuff that always has preference there.

"beg1nner: This year at Qcon CA n D2, next year Instaduel and Commander Keen =)"

nah, some pros will win ca too. especially if the prizes are good. killsen, strenx are monsters in ca online, cypher will be interesting to watch how much dmg he can do in a pure do-dmg mode, evil lg pushes omg omg, cooller avek camp with rail/rox, zero4 aim oO, rapha position trololol, fraze good lg, dahang 20 lg spam finishing everyone etc.
and overall we'll see how online aim heros in ca will do on lan vs pro dodges, skill, aim

Don't wanna sound negative, but half of those players won't really go without a good duel prize purse announced early on.

-cooller said on faceit he wants to go if he gets backed up
-cypher... managed to go every year at least the past 4-5 editions, won 3 times
-killsen, well yeah the german might not go if he doesnt get a sponsor
-strenx said he wants to go as well
-evil i'm pretty sure will go (with 102)
-fraze is aus, i.e. he can afford it, besides he prolly wants to prove himself to the community and back up his n1 spot on qlr, plus he was/is active these months
-rapha z4 buzz - obvious
-avek-we'll see

so i rlly dont see which half of these u dont attending. the prize purse will prolly be the usual one for recent quake lans, around 10k? out of which 4-7 grand to winner. so yeah i wouldnt be so pessimistic

I hope you are right.

i could hear the name jigglywiggly from a commentator all day long >8-D

I think the addition of CA is a good choice - that means there's some sort of focus on one main gametype (duel), doom 2 is there for nostalgia wanking and CA is there for laymen just enjoying the event. I guess everyone can hop in and enjoy a few rounds of CA on quakecon, beginners and veterans alike. TDM would fail - given the fact that Qcon is roughly ~1 month away, teams don't have the time to prepare and organize themselves for a trip to the states.

CTF could be a viable choice but I'm not sure who's actually playing it in US.

As for CA, it's probably the most populated, popular and easy to get into gametype. Even a tier 2 player can do some damage and help the team out.

I don't really care as long as Duel is taken care of accordingly.

I agree with this. duel as the main tournament, and ca as some kind of fun tournament.
As much as I want ctf or tdm, it's just not viable (in the US).

The reasons behind adding CA aren't valid in practice.
1.- The announcement is late (as always) precisely because of quakecon's organization.
2.- In the event the lan and tournament areas are separated and sign ups are before quakecon. Fun, non official tournaments are played at the lan area and lan area people cannot sign up to the official tournaments.
3.- CA players aren't as committed to the game as duel, ctf and tdm players. That means there will be tons of no shows and online heroes not appearing.
4.- We all know ca is laughable (ca is not quake) and that its addition steals the little spotlight and prize money real quake had at quakecon, which are the incentives the players we want to watch had to attend (no cooller) and we will see even less quake in screen than previous years (if that's even possible).
5.- ca is even more boring to watch than shootmania.


I know it's another negative nancy post and all that, but we have all watched that all streamed quakecons have been awful, both because of decisions made before the event and how those ideas were implemented. It's a disaster waiting to happen, by people that commit the same mistakes every single year and somehow keep their jobs.

Anyway, this will the last negative post on this thread, that isn't a reply to what I posted. Next one will we some girl posing, in order to save the thread (and stop ponies).

Some good points, I wouldn't agree with this though.

3.- CA players aren't as committed to the game as duel, ctf and tdm players. That means there will be tons of no shows.

Really wonder how this will turn out - I'm not going to point fingers but I would dare to say that no shows are just as frequent in duel/TDM than in any other gametype.

Expect at least 10 "fatal1ty" sign ups. CA-only players are retards.

Someone should sign up with HearTle3sStal1ty

Consider this:
- At any point in time, over half of the players in game in QL are playing CA.
- TDM gets like 100 games a day, if even that many.
- Obviously, CA is 100x more popular in terms of player count, game count and whatnot. In fact, any other mode gets owned by CA in any statistic you can imagine.
- And yet, Faceit's CA cups aren't even more popular than TDM!

Really, 2v2 CAs have similar amount of signups to 2v2 TDM. 4v4 was removed in May, but in April 4v4 TDM had _twice_ the signups of 4v4 CA.

I'm not saying TDM is any better (it also has shit signup numbers, dropouts in CB/HoQ, empty LANs), but it's dead, right? Meanwhile CA has no excuse with its popularity!

It's a fact: CA has lots of players and even "clans", but they don't enter any competitions.

Yep, that's another point I forgot to add: ca hardly exists competitively, hence why it's pretty clear to me that the guy who made the decision doesn't play quake. Duel is at least 10x more popular there.

true dat, but you cant dismiss the fact, CA didn't had any mayor tournament yet to prove itself as a comp mode until now. I wanna see what happens.

CA players harden the fuck up.

Doom II

hm... Seems like announce of Doom 4

good point. it's gonna probably be shit

Your face is shit.

So he has more experience about knowing what is shit then???

your mom likes it:( also: just you wait

G.W.A.R. ?

hope you're right

ctf or tdm way, way better!!

please change CA to TDM or CTF.

people complaining about it like we'll see anything live, what ?

come back mid-august for the demo pack, thank you very much

No need to make another thread for this, I'm just wondering what's ESR's official QuakeCon expectation / Wishlist

After a short debate on chat, I figured we can collect various opinions on what people actually expect from this year's quakecon event. Based on previous tournaments, all I'm hoping for is:

PLEASE id/qcon/whoever, PLEASE PLEASE test your streams before the match starts. Do a dry run, try your equipment out, make sure everything is working.

I'm not sure how important stream is for you guys but for everyone who isn't actually there at the event, any major lag or stream downtime or overly lengthy delays completely ruin the viewing experience.

Collect demos, it's not that fucking hard to force players to use autoaction 3. It baffles me that this still isn't a standard.

Try to create a schedule without huge breaks in between, I know we can expect delays but watching a spinning logo for the whole day isn't as fun as it sounds.


Other stuff that I'd like to see:

Get some quality casters
Don't let Todd Hollenshead talk too much
*will be adding later when I think of something

Indeed, but i like quakecons traditions, TDM then CTF, now its ruined...

You do realize last year there stream machines were alienware x51s which are not so good pcs to stream an entire event, not even 1 good pc (X51) was capable of doing all that work so maybe they should improve on what mistakes they did last year. maybe this.year well see the auroras again as stream pcs

Im on my crappy phone btw whoever notices the bad typing

I came here to see raging ESReality residents and I was not disappointed :D.

Seriously guys, how many good TDM or CTF teams from EU will manage to sort out travel and visa issues in just one months time to acutally go to QuakeCon if they would do a TDM or CTF tournament? I would bet 2 or maybe 3 (best case). How many good TDM or CTF teams are there in the US? I sincerely don't know, but I'm guessing also not more than 4-6 and even then not all of them would go there. So what would we be left with in case of TDM or CTF at QC13? Ye 1-2 serious teams and another 2-3 mix-teams, that's just not exciting. While CA is laughable and not serious at all it still might actually bring 10+ teams in so we would have some stuff to watch and laugh.

DooM II - fuck yeah!

But the reality is this!

i fail to see how this is relevant. would you rather watch ca than ctf or tdm? if the answer is yes, then please kill yourself. if the answer is no why would you not want ctf/tdm irrespective of whether it only has 3 or 4 competitive teams? at least u get to watch a decent final.

this whole premise that ca will bring in more teams is so stupid. how is that any different from mix teams in ctf/tdm. theres like maybe 1 or 2 actual teams that are any good in ca (least in the us) and even those guys would get beaten to death by any mix of reasonably good duel/ctf players imo.

You can hate it all you want, donka has a point thought http://www.esreality.com/post/2431651/re-quak...pid2431630

thx for celebrity endorsement

Only gametype I care for in Quake is Duel. So I don't care for any other tournament at QC except for it, they could shut the whole thing down and instead hold a 16 player invite tourney at id's office for all I care.

1. LOLCA HAHAHAhHAhahAHaHAHUEHeuehuEUEUHEHUEEHUAEUHEUHEHUAHUEHAUHEUAHE

2. Even with a miracle tournament finally appearing for CA kids, don't expect any of the online heroes to show.

3. Doom 2 and CA instead of TDM and CTF, not that it would matter since QL is dead in NA.

These are a few of my favorite things.

lol competitive LAN ca... this tourney is going to be so ridiculously retarded & boring for players and spectators alike... that shits only fun when your in a disorganized pub drunk off your ass. Shit aint quake.

I wonder if DOOM2 will be on a source port or vanilla. I also wonder if anyone should tell the weird kiddies that still play doom2 competitively in zdaemon about it.. HA

lol qcon

u should go rape the doom2 tourney higgs :)

im only good at the ctf source ports... id loves ctf so much though they should play that, doom2 works better in ctf imo

It would have to be a source port at least, DOOM2's got a lot of famous Multiplayer WADs so there really shouldn't be much of a problem

fo, ca is great in certain conditions, just moronic trends/stereotypes call it fun only, dumb, online, shoot-while-high mode . u just need:
- good players/teams
- the best teamsize depending on map (2v2 wont work on quarantine or overkill that well, 4v4 will be shit on hellsgate)
good ca play requires alot of brain and coordination, ya nabs. team play is crucial, even more than in tdm, because there are no items, only coordination in having good position and shooting at the same time. the 'when to be aggressive' motto applies more in ca than in any other mode. and finally, not having items, ca is the most fighting skill-demanding mode

if only you'd left it at ca takes coordination. but no you hadto go and compare it to to tdm.

First paragraph =100% right
Second paragraph = 120% fucking stupid

everything i say is right, whoever disagrees is a moron, killsen should use more lg, and your recent sexy pics almost made me bite my table

I agree, whenever I see a long-term unemployed serial cheater who has made tens of thousands of fake-accounts on QuakeLive (not weird or obsessive at all), I immediately think "wow, this guy must be right all of the time".

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/troll%20f...797845.gif

u trole him hard hehe

i wonder if this means there is no open duel tourney. or if the entire duel tourney will be open format with like play offs or something.

There could be a BYOC open duel tourney for all i know, i remember watching few of these games being streamed from CSN

INB4 Everybody who's practicing for CTF rage about this!

how bout some prize pools and map pools, no point not announcing them, else noone will wanna commit until its too late

actually CA is great way to promote quake live...

its simple gameplay after all

Yeah this is how I see it.
Try to attract people with an approachable gametype rather than watching dull 20 minute rape on TDM.

It is even less approachable for viewing than TDM.

CA = CS

There are people who watch CS and don't fall asleep.

For people who have ever played and watched Quake, it's obviously impossible to watch, but if the goal is to promote QL to "tactical FPS" players or other kinds of non-gamers, then why not?

I'm not sure that non-players won't fall asleep watching either CA or CS. And for CS players who can appreciate "tactical FPS", QL is like a toy with unrealistic weapons and maps, so they will dismiss it.

That's totally gonna promote QL.

but you are aware QL CA round is timelimited?

Cool, draw rounds.

to choose these tourneys is clever. new & old. i like it very much.

april fool? :D

I can imagine some CA teams with the likes of rapha, zero4, dahang, chance, vo0 (?) and whatnot playing for massive dollas will at least provide entertainment with some sick frags in the final, although group stages will probably be boring and laughable as fuck (but at the same time accessible for the casual observer!)

you mean 20minute rounds FlashSoul has linked above, given dahang's and rapha's epic patience?

I will definitely tune in!

Hope this year delivers. Last year was so cash, with stuff like:
- challenge where you need to get a ball in a circle using a banana attached to your hips.
- a 900 vs 700 elo player dueling for $1000.
- girl dressed as Hunter (she was so fucking hot).
- Quake tattoos (hope this time the guy who tattooed the logo on his ass shows up as well)
- that black dude who makes crazy computer cases.
- Todd

- that guy who raged at todd when he didn't qualify for the car raffle

- girl dressed as Hunter (she was so fucking hot).

the sexxy orbb in me want pics :>

I was pounding my peanus until she revealed she didn't know what map hunter appear on in Q3. Total boner-killer.

I think memento mori took a really blurry one of her if u wanna check the galleries

- 17 hour straight keynote which we all couldn't stop watching even though there was a secondary stream showing epic Quake matches between the world's greatest duelers

3 hours and i watched it 2x times :D

I hope Todd brings even sluttier booth babes to the stage this year

ahahahah hell yeaaaa

todd is gone man, todd is gone ...

... he is gone with the wind and he is not landing in kansas eather.

I know, right? :(

Hopefully someone rises to the occasion and brings the same class that Todd used to spread throughout the event.

ca :(
I hope - if there is prize money - that they will use it for the duel tournament and dont even waste 1 cent on ca.

Seems like QuakeCon delivers faster than usual this year

So not gonna watch CA

"BRIDGE BRIDGE BRIDGE BRIDGE"

xD

but in ra3 it was the same

If you're one of those who don't even possess that much teamplay you better just ignore, I won't watch it either, but it's still better than a "amateur" duel with random cutoff

Bridge is not teamplay or tactics, it's a location. Do you feel like rapha when you've just died in a 4on4 fight @ bridge? If so congratulations, you've found the way to play quake without playing quake.

Aha :D

We're talking about a team game, not duel and I'm not saying anything in that regard, I'm talking about how amateur duel in the last seasons allowed players like gillz to make 2k $


The critique of duel-only players has as much value as CA players about +b duel.

I'd like to hear some critiques about duel from a CA player. Would you indulge me please? What, it has items? You don't get all the weapons handed to you?

read again

the duel players who have their eyes closed to anything else say ca is just bridgebridgebridge shitheads "I am so good they shouldn't even look upon my gracious self"

the ca players think duel is just +b and counting numbers

both views are flawed

hope you understand it now

I'm not saying there is no teamplay or tactics in CA, but if you consider "go to bridge" to be a tactic you deserve to be looked down on.

if you say that and look on the servers, you'd be very surprised how little people actually follow this super basic tactic!

- edit: that wasn't even my point either

Have you ever in your life seen a sentence such as "the nazi ww2 tactic was .... POLAND" ?????????????

seems it's really too hard to understand for you

go bridge
focus X
aim towards Y

lolca.

heartless #1

Give prizemoney and I will think about itz

Who's your CA team mate?

I dont have one. But if prizemoney is good(which I doubt) its not hard to get 3 moar good players.

Who are you?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphoto...6056_n.jpg
This is me

Why did you do that?

well sometimes males are marking their territory to establish their dominance over rival quake players, not in this case though. ... in this case it is just a simple act of pissing into the wind, fuck me rite?

... and YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR SHE BLOWS!

.... besides better pissing in the wind photo, then dropping an anchor phot :D

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I always wondered who donated hair for heartless's neck beard ...

Because she's got a... GREAT ASS! </al pacino>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogas2XA6qqA&hd=1

QuakeCon please do not repeat mistakes from 2012 !!!!!! No streams !!!!! No infos !!!!! Take example from Dreamhack, great players, great show, so dont forget about us, regular people !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for all the support id! there are developers that dont even give back to the community. id gives back every year. thanks guys!

hopefully this quakecon will be better then last quakecon. last year was horrible to be honest. lets get 2gd and joe cast quake again with picmip 16 config, and all quake legends. this would be so awesome :D

Ca will be great. I rather watch a tourney of aim then a tourney of cypher vs cooller x5 overtime on every map ... :P

On the bright side, they won't be able to stream on Own3d.

For the first time I can't reply "lol ca" in CA-related thread :(

all the whiners about fatality gonna say the same thing about thresh when he doesnt show up?

Thresh doesn't tell the world every other day how much of a world fucking champ he is in 984 different games that had no official world championships.

In other news; fatal1ty's showmatch with relic is today, I think!

probably because he hasnt won any

But Thresh wrote a quake BIBLE, so Thresh>Fatality anyway!

CA is great for the players themselves, not so much for the spectator. I can totally get why leaving TDM and CTF, regardless of which mode, both tend to have a single team thats far stronger than any other. Its just not very exciting aside from the finals. (inb4 copy pasting results, yeye i get it, but im still right)

Just hope it will pull plenty of duellers still, wouldnt want the spectators tourney to suffer.

I want to watch d2 games too, but all I will get as every year is spinning qcon logo...

there goes any interest I had in going.. :<?

This Doom2 tournament better be a PC tournament. I'm not going to be surprised if it's an XBLA tournament.

pillars vs bridge tourney inc

MOAST BLYAD

GO NA TOP PIDAR

SPEK NAHUY DNO

CA

CLAN ARENA?

WHAT THE FUCK.

YOU GAVE US LIKE 7 MORE NEW MODES YOU IDIOTS.

GIVE US CAPTURESTRIKE
OR DOMINATION
OR EVEN FREEZETAG

NOT FUCKING CLAN ARENA SON

OH JESUS

You know if those modes were free most would be playing Domination, shits MAD fun and has some actual strat for which A/B/C targets you want to keep a hold of on the map.

It's like CA but with some strategy. But naw, you fags leave it premium so nobody plays it then have a ca competition.

GTFO

My thoughts exactly.

If you want to have something fresh at quakecon, why not have domination, as something both noob friendly and tactical?
Or how about a 2v2 tdm tournament?

Guess shiterror really wants to see his map on the stage.

#FREEJAMALZ

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#freejamalz2013

Damn I wanna go so bad :D

dodgin' it in 3

Clan arena should have pql rulesettings.

it should still not be played competitively but i agree whole heartedly :)

And vampiric damage :D.

Yeah, if one thing can make PQL even more boring as slow-motion CS, it is vampiric damage.

and infinite ammo

when the movement is fixed, sure

Do red rover/infected. Would be fun as hell to cast and watch top players jumping around trying to trap each other.

In case no one has seen competitive ca this is pretty much how it worked out in aus. Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam. spam, spam, spam, go for peek shot, die, round 2 begins..

WE KNOW

http://esreality.com/post/2431923/#pid2431657

depends on the map really

sometimes you can begin with the peek shot - that has a 90% chance of making your mate rage tho :>

.

spadaj ruski glupku ))))))))))

From my limited knowledge -

Fucking bitch, I'm alone on bridge

bitches*

More like:

Hark! Perfidious harlots, can thee gauge my pain?
For I be left alone upon this bridge again.

haha this one is hall of fame material. Van Gogh Edvard Munch makes so much sense now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edvard_Munch

If the top duel players will participate in the CA tourney it will be awesome!!!

Doom II mp is also great! We played a shitload of it back then! I even remember we had a local lan tourney in my home town with lots of people attending. We finished 1-2 with my friend. Great times and i am talking about 1995-96.

eltévedtél

Miért is?

I agree that one of the new modes (dom) would have been better. The same people would be attracted, but it would generate a much better competition and show, since there is motivation to actually go around the map.

A redrover tournament, with one guy winning a la FFA would also be ok.

CA? Don't really know....

No ctf, No tdm, But CLAM ARENA? GG (YES I SAID CLAM)

claun arena

clown?

it's a secret polish potat mafia slang

I'm really digging clam arena
That's how I'll call it from now on

said it last year will say it again: fuck quakecon

quakecon is chaos, for outside watchers. will never change.

Who cares, DUEL is all that matters for me as a spectator....

Would be awesome to see the 2 Aus champs Fraze and Camma go, I think alot of the Aus community would help them if they had the time to make an appearance.


Would also like to see Phyrigian represent NewZealand.

really wanna see this fraze kid back in action

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fuck quakecon

I can't see any justification for an attitude like this towards a $$$ LAN tournament even if they have CA now..

I bet everyone would be more positive if only duel tournament was announced. But no, they gave us something more than duel, so we must hate it!

Yea, that's kind of my thinking

everybody knows that the primary tournament is ql duel.

So, as NA Scene is kind of dead here is the solution:

Isnt it obvious, that if europe has the most active scene of Quakelive to just do quakecon in europe?

Its not like its hard to do it in europe and organize it here...

you'll get plenty of teams, for basically all team mods if you want to.

Move on id, come to europe! :-)

I hope you're kidding. QuakeCon isn't even about Quake anymore. They wouldn't move it to another continent for it.

So we can show Syncerror how we use cheats in EU.

You realize that QuakeCon is far more than some QL LAN tournaments? First it is a community-driven LAN with 5k people attending (compare it to NorthCon here in Germany), second it's a platform for id (and now Bethesda/ZeniMax) to show off their upcoming games and "technologies" (that's the only reason why they actually support QC with money and shit), third it is also kind of a small gaming convention where other studios and brands present their products.

If anything big will happen to QC in the next years it's them (id) dropping financial support for the tournaments thus eliminating competitive QL from it once and forever. They definitely won't move the event to EU that's absolutely pointless for them.

> If anything big will happen to QC in the next years it's them (id) dropping financial support for the tournaments

mmm the money was from sponsors i believe, like intel. which i very very like!!! and zotac for the cups!!! cpu + graphic card, all here!!! so no direct money. or am i wrong?

I thought it was partly financed by id :?

your right. seems to be a mix id/sponsors.

lolca

lf sponsors :D :) :(

WTF MAN!!!! TDM!!!!!! ARRRGGHHGHGHG

FailCon :]

lol i thought it would be CTF since id_, daHang, rapha, etc have been practicing lately, what a disappointment.

Anyway, kgb team will win this tourney i think.

What team? haven't you heard the last CA team kgb played with ONLINE (bentley,nemesis,extremers) all magically can't go to qcon! HACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will be watching closely waiting for information on the DooM 2 tournament :)

Let's hope they don't mess that up with something silly like the XBox version!

maybe sponge answeres
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Thanks for that, gonna try it sensibly

Don't mind as long as duel is the main tournament with decent prizepool and announced asap.

depressing watching all the top ctf players playing ca. i guess people will play anything if theres money to be won. suppose its not surprising considering how many of them took up shootmania (not to mention i tried it too :) )

esport is a circus

but srsly, thanks again for providing quake lan tournament etc, etc... ;) make sure duel cup will go smooth and we're happy :)

pinky on shirt and quakecon mouse!
http://www.quakecon.org/2013/04/reminder-quak...s-tonight/

LOL @ all the ctf and tdm nerds in the US (all 30 of you)

CA is easy to go - has strats (believe it or not)

And will have more teams/signups then the last 4 qcon combined

Cannot wait to smack around IRL some of u shits

you and the other 12 viewers must be SOO EXCITED!

Another failed troll attempt SIGH

I have no clue what you're so pumped about, you're better at posting weird gifs than you are at clan arena

CA is like fun when none of the players really care. CA for money? It will be like endless rocket/grenade/plasma doorway spam, than +back peak railing. Prepare for 40min rounds. I dont know who made this decision but clearly didnt played CA or just havent thought this trough properly...

if it was a duel alone, or duel + dead gametype, everyone would be fine

<joker>

but give them duel + CA and everyone LOSES THEIR MINDS

well said

GG

I'm pretty sure that people would also complain if they announced TDM or CTF instead of CA.

With no information about prizemoney and only 2 months left until QCON, it's highly unlikely that any actual European teams would be able to participate.

The only thing that changed is: Instead of raging about a pointless TDM/CTF tournament (because of the Europeans' unability to attend), people are raging about a pointless CA tournament (because of the Europeans' lack of interest to attend and the viewers' disinterest in the gametype).

if you're 99% of the population and you're going to a LAN for prize money, you're doing it wrong.

somebody pick me up for ca breh

Team nx taking qcon ca 2013?

only if higgles goes :>?

can we try my pg only strategy?????? i would totally be down to go if we do that. (ok im lying).

might work

We'll have to trick him into thinking its tdm

whaz
allmental
carnage
relic

that would be an awesome team

hopefully kgb and company go

calling it right now
a "pro" team doesn't win the quakecon CA tournament
hell, there might not even be a pro team in the finals

You could be right since CA only requires spam, numbers, and camping. Going to be full of fail, calling it right now.

no interest in seeing this and you're from NA? wtf.
you have to be a troll account to some foreigner.
CA is the big game in NA and were finally going to see if these pubstars have what it takes to take down the pros. people have been waiting over a decade to see this happen.
this is way more interesting than another lame ctf tourney or a tdm tourney that would be better off being done in europe.
the only thing that worries me is the prize money. this tourney could be fail if id doesn't come up with a big enough prize.

I only care about skill and competition when it comes to Quake. CA is a joke. CA "pubstars" are a joke. Have fun watching pros play a mindless game-type because none of those pubstars will show anyway.

lolCA

i love ctf and tdm, but the tourneys for them at qcon are much too small nowadays. i would much rather see a lan for them done in europe instead at qcon. hopefully faceit or another org comes through and organizes one.
no worries, pubstars will be there if the money is good enough(10k+)
i will have fun watching. thanks for caring

lolca idd

"I only care about skill and competition when it comes to Quake. "

Then I hope you're looking forward for the Duel tournament.
Not even sure how CA can affect you so much anyway, TDM teams can't travel to the states in a matter of weeks and CTF is rather dead.

Just let people enjoy this CA cup and tune in for duel, how fucking hard can it be?

It only exemplifies the state of the game, which exemplifies the incompetence of the organization responsible.

Or, I guess we could hold hands and enjoy the precious time they've provided us,circle jerking until the sun sets, the curtain falls, or another appropriate metaphor?

That team would get raped. I believe a so called " pro" team will win especially if k1llsen goes and plays on a team. It won't be the most viewer friendly qcon but CA is by far the most active game type in QL and always has been the players that do play it deserve a lan tournament to compete at. Will have A LOT more signups then the past few years.

I have mixed feelings regarding the introduction of a CA tournament replacing CTF/TDM.

The only positive aspect of this I can think of is that it -might- attract new players to QL; you can't deny that CA is the simplest and most popular team-mode in Quake and if it manages to attract new players to the game it's going to be a great decision by ID.

Then again TDM has always been, at least in my eyes, the true essence of Quake, even more than duel.
I can't speak for CTF (don't really enjoy it but I respect it) but, by removing the TDM tournament I feel like ID is betraying the very core of quake fans, those who have been playing it for so long and thanks to whom the game is still fairly active these days.

My personal opinion is that there is no thing such as "competitive" CA: at the highest level the outcome is determined by either randomness (random rocket bounces from random players in small areas)-if both teams decide to meet in the same spot (BRIDGE!1)- or just who peek rails better/has more patience.
Also, I've heard the format is going to be 3v3 which means it's going to be a LG tournament with teamplay.
CA can be very challenging to play and is often wrongly ridiculed but TDM/CTF are just on another level.


In short, great marketing move I guess but screw you id i wanted to see iC vs salivating monsters again this year

"The only positive aspect of this I can think of is that it -might- attract new players to QL; you can't deny that CA is the simplest and most popular team-mode in Quake and if it manages to attract new players to the game it's going to be a great decision by ID."

How do you figure this? i know you added a "might" in there for safety :). I can understand how CA might be considered a gateway game mode in terms of easy entry into the game for new players. But I fail to see how a CA tournament will attract new players. First off how many new players do you think will even watch qcon? I mean the logic seems to be that people have watched previous qcons and that ctf/tdm was too complicated for them to try the game out yes? Cant think of accurate numbers right now but I really doubt the number of viewers for qcon was that high. And I suspect most of them were already quake players.

Using a similar logic shootmania shouldve had lots of players no? And yet afaik the game is dead.

At some point you have to accept that quake live in its current form is not going to attract that many new players period. It's an old game and there's nothing fundamentally new and it wasn't marketed very well when it came out in the first place. I wish we'd all stop living in this dream world where simple little decisions like what mode to use in a tournament will magically draw thousands of new gamers.

ps: Personally I dislike this decision mostly because I would've gone if it was ctf. This is very subjective. I also dislike it because I think CA will be boring as fuck to watch. (Just clearing up my reasoning). I still wish everyone who is in fact going the best of times. I'm sure this will be the one and only time CA only players get to have a LAN with money on the line.

To answer your question properly, i didn't figure anything out: it was a train of thoughts where i was trying to understand the possible reasons behind this decision. That has to be, imo, the only possible explanation and that's why i added the "might", not being my decision to choose ca over something else.

if i had to rationalize this choice, i'd say that we tend to forget it's not the q3 era anymore, when gaming was still a bit uncommon and obscure hobby: many people (myself included) started to play through words of mouth, irl friends and so on. I think the most important thing QL would benefit from the 2013 internet is publicity in the gaming crowd, in any shape or form.
The problem within the game has always been the steep learning curve, which is massively flattened in CA: by giving the latter more tournaments and prizes, thus luring more people in, you get a statistically bigger playerbase and thus a bigger chance to attract even more players, who might then choose harder modes,in the same way dota2 gained many LOL players who were bored of the simpler mechanics.
It's something it's never going to happen in duel or TDM/CTF, where a new player would have to train hard for years before even standing a chance to win a few hundred dollars.
I think every single new player counts as two potential new players and even more nowadays

Shootmania is a joke and a bad comparison, i dont even want to waste words about it: the only positive thing they've introduced so far is that mode with weapons and armors pickups, but it was too little and too late; a good feature can't change a bad game.
This can't be said about quake, no matter how many bad decisions ID has made, it's still not too late.

at the end i feel you're probably right, picking a mode over another might not alter the fate of the game itself but it has to be said this is somewhat the best (and only) pseudo-marketing move by ID in years.
Now that I read your words again I stand corrected: you're right, it's not going to change a thing.
But that's not going to make me accept anything, i've heard "quake is dead" so many times it makes me smile now. Sure it's not q3 but still.
also,faceit stream is constantly getting more views lately and that's enough for me, let me keep dreaming a bit longer

No dreams for you.

*gavel*

Truth is CA is way more popular then TDM, CTF, Duel ect. It's that simple. It's not going to be fun to watch but there will be a lot more signups this year. If you don't like it you don't have to play or watch.

I hope there are more signups. Because otherwise this whole exercise wouldve been pointless. At the same time I'm not optimistic that people will pay money to go to Texas just because its CA.

"If you don't like it you don't have to play or watch. "

Really? I hadn't realized I needed your permission to do that.

So you would watch something you don't enjoy and complain the whole time? Like someone is forcing you to watch a game type you clearly don't enjoy. Last year had like 5 signups haven't looked at who has signup but they should get 10-12 solid teams.

I think perhaps you should actually read my comments before replying to them.

I did there was enough wine to fill a vineyard. The gametype for this year is CA get over it ... it's done. CTF had it's time and so did TDM the only major gametype that hasn't was CA until now.

CA? Oh shit...

There has to be a way to get to Quakrcon this year, from NV to TX :/

dude fuck qcon blow the money in vegas :)) god i love vegas!

FaceIT should announce their first LAN scheduled at the same time as QCon so at least in EU we will have something decent to watch. Last year's QCon coverage was the worst yet, I hate to think how lame it will be this year. Announcing CA as the team mode seems to suggest they want to outdo themselves in the lame stakes this year.

As I said above, Domination would have been a better option if you're gonna drop TDM or CTF since that would have some really interesting novelty value. And I've yet to see how teams of top players from other modes would approach Domination in a competitive environment. Would be interesting to see.

MAP POOL?

PONIES?

ANYTHING?

dahang PLS win this!

^^

saw vo0 playing on stream this morning, hope he is training for qcon!

He's in a pre-Qcon CA team

Would love to see the following players go too see if they are legit or not my guess is none of them go despite being among the top in the NA CA scene.

SisemeN
iNstiN
demex
bentley

Waiting for excuses!

wasn't demex supposed to be ultra legit?

...

No way nemesis will go. 100% cheater, 0% skill. Absolutely sucks without hacking.

Instin won't go. There was a very condemning video posted a while back, enough to be considered proof. He was banned for cheating, but used the relative/friend/roommate excuse, which was enough to be unbanned it seems. If he did play on LAN, expect his skill to be dramatically lacking compared to online.

Don't know demex.

Thought bentley has been to LANs, unless I'm completely confusing him for another player? Anyway, his spotlight as a potential cheater was wrought by one pondfiller, whom was banned without question for hacking, and the lolCA video showed nothing really suspicious.

That leaves you. Is that you, infinity?

I don't think any of them hack. Just a lot of people within the community seem to do. They all are among the top tier of CA players in NA. I don't see why any of them wouldn't want to go. SisemeN turning down a chance to play along side Mr qcon himself (zer04) and kgb after winning the last two CA tournaments as br1ck pointed out. I don't get it. demex has been the best or at the very least top 3 among CA players in NA since QL came out. He's been playing with rapha and cl0ck who will place into the money either way. iNstiN haven't seen him on it awhile but like demex one of the top 2-3 players in CA since day 1.

First, I'll say outright that top tier CA in NA means nothing. Second, nemesis and instin are cheaters. They were cheating when I played, so it's likely they still cheat. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

Glad demex and nemesis went and didn't disappoint. Both played great for their teams.

Really? I didn't watch any of the matches aside from the duel highlights, but I heard nemesis and kgb were suspiciously lacking.

From what I saw kgb was like always. Nemesis played well I thought and hit some huge shots for his team. He didn't match his online acc's but this was his first LAN. demex was lights out most of the games 40-45lg really was the back bone for his team. Would have liked to seen some of the other top NA players attend and players like k1llsen, v1um and tox would have been great. There was a feeling with CA that any of the top 4 teams could have won on any given day the games where that close. Unlike in the past with CTF you knew EG was going to win or with TDM the euros where going to win. A lot more signups this year would have been nice if the payouts where more but all in all I didn't mind watching the CA games the casting was great.

depends on what it costs to go..