i dont have one so np4me

same

not a poll for you then

should add an "I don't have a subscription anyway" option to show the difference in numbers between those than don't subscribe and those that are that will/won't/don't know.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2000108
this poll isnt really about that

Renewing why not its not expensive

how much is it?

premium 1,99x12
pro 3,99x12

except that you have to pay for a whole year at once.

still doesn't make it that expansive. my pro account costed me 47.88 for the whole year and I would have paid that even just for the ability to spawn a server (in the country I want, limit it to the number of players I want, make it public or private, and so on...) for 4 / month
I mean in the previous games I played I sometimes had to pay more than my yearly ql pro account PER MONTH to have 1 server in 1 specific location and with a set player limit which I couldn't change.

Yeah I know that, it's just that considering how last year went, I consider it a valid argument.
I'd probably renew aswell if it was 4bucks/month, but I just can't imagine paying again for a whole year to get the same shitty support and have to wait 8 months again to be able to play between the time they break something and they fix it ( at least for me )

sync that you?

it's actually everyone that has ever had a job ever - 13 cents per day (pro sub) for anything is quite affordable considering that's the equivalent of 13 minutes of a day's work at a $6/hour job.

shit, even ins could afford that with McDonalds' minimum wage!

I'll renew, cause
a) It's peanuts and
b) I love the game

c) You wouldn't be able to play your own map if not

:P

so true :D

What map did you make?

Sinister is one of them, but I think he has made a few more.

Oh, nice :)

thx for reply

the very popular tdm maps purgatory and limbus in cooperation with akm too

and the unpopular Arcane Citadel :)

\o/

Agreed. :)

draven- QL subsricption renewal - Unsure

haha what an attention whore:D

And posting that isn't attention whoring?

Only if they'll allow you to buy a month at a time (and using paypal)

If it's the same shit as before then no chance in hell, because
1. I seriously doubt that QL will last another year
2. id has done nothing to deserve my money

19:26 CEST 13 Jul 2011 raythenoob 20%
Judged post: Re: QL subsricption renewal (4%) by Toin Coss


what a shocker

so what do you do for id?

I'm fed of your shit, go spit your shit somewhere else.

Paying for an subscription


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who in the fuck is shocked at the notion that id has done nothin to deserve money?

1. I seriously doubt that QL will last another year

do you expect id to shut it down or do you expect the community to abandon it?

not enough ppl resub -> id pulls plug would seem like the most obvious outcome

I know a bunch of people who are content with playing the same 3 free maps till the end of time so I dont think the community will ever fully abandon it

And what would be their motives for doing that? The only costs they have are server costs (I don't actually think they pay for many of the servers as i know they are paid for by the local communities) and im sure they are able to cover them with advertisements and the subscriptions. However the updates could suffer if only few people renew their subscriptions (afterall they supposedly did make a ladder system etc thats coming with the next update?)

What would be their motives for terminating an unprofitable operation? You cant be serious. If not enough people resub to cover the operating costs then why would they want to keep ql alive?

Also, you're not sure of anything. You dont have their financial info.

If someone bought a pro/premium account yesterday for a whole year I'd guess they have to keep ql atleast for another year unless they want to repay everybody who has made a subscription ? Sounds like kind of a hassle, so my take on this is they will announce one year in advance the end of QL but they probably wont just pull the plug like that anyway.

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So yeah, they can just terminate everyone's account at any time, without refunding anything, and not suffer any legal ramifications.

Courts have thrown out ToS before.

Only when in violation of state/federal/constitutional rights. I don't see how you can really fight that clause.

maybe maybe, yet it would sound abusive and if they ever do so they can forget about me buying me any more of their stuff and i guess that'd go with many of us.

They would be at a loss if you ask me if they just shut everyone's account down instead of giving it a free one-year ride

I agree with this. when you see how much whine and abuse they already get from this community, if they were to do something like that it would be made known what they have done to their quakelive customers and not in a good way :)
Their buildings would probably even be under attack :p

Never ever saw this before.

Account Suspension/Cancelation.

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Renew. Need it for bundesliga :(

Admittedly, I haven't had a lot of playing time, but over the course of a year, I must have played premium maps and game-modes a total of 7 times. That means, 7 whole games (2 in FT, 4 in duel, 1 in CA). $20 for 7 games is not worth it.

I should be online soon though at my house, so i'll consider it. Waiting to see id's pre-Qcon patch. If it displays no real effort to change the problems with QL (including the idiotic division of premium/free accounts, which mostly makes it so no one period can use premium content), i'll probably opt-out. You pay for something you can't even use... that's what these pay accounts effectively are. Pay-accounts killed freezetag, and they killed practically every premium-map. They also divided the community, causing an even greater drop in the overall player-base. And because the premium maps are often the best maps, the game at the free-level is that much worse, causing more new players to quit the game. It was terrible idea, that was a failure in every conceivable sense (unless id was deliberately attempting to sabotage themselves, the game and/or the community).

Totally agree really. Pro was a good idea, as it gave you an opportunity to spawn servers, but having standard players being unable to play on premium servers with premium and pro players is just diving the community painfully :/ Just have pro and standard, where pro servers have passwords required/forced, so that standard users need to know the pw to join. Maps should be available to all players.

then for example in a group of 16 people, 1 player has a pro account and the other 15 players have the password to his server, so all 16 can play the new maps for just the price of 1 pro account?
commercially it would be a bad decision from ID.

I'm pretty sure it's harder to get money from a small and unhappy community than it is from a big and happy one.

you'd be surprised by the number of players who complain and bash ID on websites like this one and will still renew their premium or pro :)
and whereas you may think the number of new premium and pro subscriptions may be in the decrease, from my small list of gaming buddies a lot of them have recently purchased a pro account.

I'm a subscriber myself since a few days but my point remains valid (small playerbase vs big playerbase)

In order to grow, this game needs more beginners, more players and more solid updates before everything (AKA 'the benefits of a free maps and gametypes policy')

but then what's the point of paying for premium if you can already play all maps and gametypes? it's the reason most premium users have bought premium.
I guess they could let people try premium for free for 1 or 2 weeks or even 1 month, after those players get used to the premium advantages such as the new maps potentially some of them will start paying when their free trial expires.

The benefits of premium....that's something I've wondered for nearly a year now tbh.
What's the fucking point of premium ?

I guess the premium maps and no pre-game advertisements, but might as well get a pro if anything imo

pretty much.

Well, a large majority of the subscribers that I know are playing mainly on public servers anyway, and I'm sure they gonna renew their sub, so why wouldn't they if the maps (or some maps) were free? It's better for them too.

because then what do you get for your subscription if you get all the maps with a standard account?

It could be incentives like these:
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2037573

+ a lot of site functionalities like QL pickups, /amsg, the ability to erase your stats, to hide them, to modify your profile page (colors), etc..

Premium scoreboards and killbeeps are good ideas. Premium FT and Distant Screams, I don't think so.

Hm, still half a year away from renewing my own subscription (premium account). For the time I have the chance to play QL (6 months of the year) I feel that renewing my subscription is not worth it. The main reason I purchased the subscription at the time was for two reasons. Firstly for the 'ease of use', being able to play more maps, easy pickups games when I felt like it, not having to have advertisements. Secondly there was always the anticipation of having a solid update, community features such as ladders, demo sharing, stream/gtv integration etc. Likewise, the fairly cheap price made it seem like a really good deal at the time, but so far id haven't done much to foster and help the community grow

If I had paid from the day they released the premium/pro options I suspect I'd feel more likely than I am not to pay again, but I still have 6 months left, so here's hoping..

i am not really satisfied with the development but those 2/4 euro per month are still worth it in my book, but i guess it depends on how much you actually use it. but i play almost daily so its a no brainer for that kind of money

It is cheap enough that I will probably renew. The biggest issue I had was our clan tag being taken when we were one of the top 3 teams in Europe and this totally demotivated me to bother to play on in TDM. You build a clan like a brand and people recognise you by your tag, when you have that taken away it is very annoying.

I contacted id about it on 3 occasions and got a response about it once which stated they would look into it. I guess the problem is the guy who grabbed that tag, wasn't stealing our tag as such it just happened to be the same. unfortunately it wasn't exactly a clan that had a load of members or was full of active players or who even wore the tag, but anyway who cares it just means I stream TDM now.

it just means I stream TDM now

well that incident is good for us then :p

zeroql - End subscription
w00t w00t?

Yeah hes going to have to now xD

raythenoob QL subsricption renewal End subscription

:DDD

what subscription?

ofcourse renew it, quake forever! :D

Not worth renewing when I can just play cpma which is more fun and free instead.

Last time I checked on QL website they pushed the date of my renewal by a few months so...

I will renew though I have hardly played recently. I still owe them for making the best game ever.

I do think they should make freeze tag free to play or else why bother with it because no one plays it. Free FreezeTag & InstaFreeze brings a new influx of newbs! They should also make the premium maps free because in CA the constant CA1,2,3,DM6 merry-go-round got old about 18 months ago.

Make a one-time paypal payment that enables premium maps or ideally just put them in the free mappool.

More social elements. For example the ability to send a message to an offline player and have it appear in an inbox. Chatrooms on the site. Links to recent VODs, schedule of upcoming events, STREAMS and CASTING on the site from selected providers that already exist.

More competitive stuff, the ability to create a one-night cup event or one over many days/weeks/months. Ladders & Leagues. Clan Matchmaking facilities, clan messaging (CL to CL?)

Shit there is just so much potential and undoubtadley all the above has been said before many times. I can understand that not many people work on Quakelive and its difficult to implement all these features but just one last 'blast' with a few folks from ID and it could all be done! Divert some of Carmacks space cash back to Quake! There would be no rockets without Quake Carmack! Forget RAGE and the console kiddies and get it sorted!

unfortunately rage and the console kiddies = more money potential :(
I wish they could manage to spend more time on quakelive though

True. Freeze Tag is fun. Not whining players all around, just some... fun.

thaw me faget!

Already canceled it :( Its been a good run!

Hindsight is 20/20, but let's hope id learned from their mistakes. If all users could play premium content, the game would immediately rise in popularity. Quality maps like overkill, japanese castles, and theatre of pain could be played by everyone, and freezetag could as well. CA, CTF, and FT (if it was free), are easily the most popular games for 'casual' players. Having better maps in them would make them all the more popular.

We can't expect id to screw people out of their money by ending the pay-account system (or changing it drastically), therefore it makes sense to let the year go by. Now that it has, id has the opportunity to change the system so it doesn't ruin the game. Hopefully, that's exactly what they'll do, and they'll showcase the new system at Quakecon (to get even more people interested).

I cancelled my pro subscription about a month ago, after it became apparent that QL will go nowhere but downhill... Perhaps if there is some activity in the coming weeks/months then I will get a premium rather than a pro subscription, but even this is unlikely.

thanks for reminding me esr, cancelled.

[x] Renew subscription

Why? Beacause QL is fun! And the only DM game we have..

wonder what this qw game is i am playing recently.

you and all the other 15 ppl?
Don't get me wrong - I'm aware of the fact that there are other DM shooters around. QW, Warsow, etc... some of them might even be "better" than QL (in some regards) but, rly?

okay, not to make a fuss about it, let me rephrase that statement:
"And its the only populated DM game we have..."

actually, qw probably has the biggest scene, right under ql.

lol

I wouldn't be surprised at all if id has some big update planned just before or maybe even after the first wave it subs are due to expire to tempt people back in.

yup and a lot of idiots will take the bait and subscribe lol

yeah idiots that for 1 year can play and enjoy all the maps of the most active deathmatch game, while you can be smart and spend your time posting crap here.

my renewal is on the end of September (as opposed to start of August) so i have just under 2 months to have a look and find out whether it's worth it renewing or not. I mean there's always Edawn for all your vq3 needs. And cpm. And osp. And QW. Xd plz.

Most likely I wont renew, the fact that we havent got a shit after pro / prem was released tells quite enought about id's efforts to make game good.

Hopefully they have enought sense to make atleast all maps and mods free to play for everyone so that community will get even some love by new players.. and if thats the case i prolly will still continue playing the game, despite not renewing premium.

QL till either i DIE or it DIE's =D "quake is my football"

I still play QL nearly every day. When I look through the games I bought in the last 12 months and evaluate the prize/hour played, QL is by far the cheapest. I'll renew if I'm not broke.

Cicc1o voted: End subscription
a year ago I gave my money to id hoping they were going to improve ql
instead it seems like they took the money and stopped to develop the game
last update: tdm premium scoreboard, mercylimit, cg_quadkillcount!!1!one
wtf happened? i waited a year for gtv, mvd and italian servers _at least_

"can someone invite me plz ?" - is the way how to play without renewing

I megaloathe those people.

I'll try to ask you first if we ever play the same pickup.

Won't last forever. I mean who wants 100 randoms on there profile ? =D ,not many .... Just go and subscribe man .SUPPORT THE GAME if you really care for QuakeLive and want it to survive =P.personally i think premium is a good buy for anyone who wants to....
a)play in a clan b)support quakelive c)play extra maps d)not need invite to priv servers e)Don't like adds

Don't have a subscription now, but want buy in few weeks.

am i the only one bothered by the typo? :(

mmm ?

it got edited. :O)

Won't renew cuz id prioritizes CA over CTF.

Only way I'm coming back is if they add some 3wave maps.

Besides, nobody plays on premium servers anyway.

FT aswell acording to their last update.

might renew with prem depending on upcoming patch(es). consdering I don't have as much time to play as I'd like it wouldn't really make a difference to me at this point if I don't play at all, especially since the semester will be starting soon and then I really won't have time to play. But if ID does something that I think deserves my money, I'll renew simply because I love quake

Back to Q3 + CPMA where we can play good maps.

if anything we can be glad baout ql introducing new maps

The only "new" map I like in Quakelive that isn't in Q3 is Ironworks.

How can I be glad about one new map after paying for 12 months worth of subscription?

if you are only into competitive ctf then it might be a bit dire though, i have to agree, but overall its not like that, there a quite a few great ql exclusive maps imho
duel: Furious Heights (+maybe hektik)
ca: Quarantine, Trinity
tdm: Purgatory (+maybe tornado)
no idea about ctf and whats good in ffa

and on top of that a lot of maps ql brought from q3 that were not played at all before but turned out to be good maps and are actually used now. a map like dreadfulplace is new in my book.

the maps you listed are about as new as dm6 and as playable as testbigbox

the naos i listed are ql exclusive and are played in leagues and public servers alike, but thats for your valuable input

ending mine, mite renew if i decided to play more again

Never bought it, every 6 months I get the urge to play it then after a week I remember why I stopped in the first palce. its just tired and so am I. Of it.

I would advise you all buy "from dust" instead and appreciate the only way to get new gameplay is by introduing new fundamental mechanics. (the guy who made another world is borderline genius IMO)

All of which have been beyond idsoftware for considerable time.
With the possible exception of crouch sliding.

yesterday, I was playing a game of free-for-all versus some guy who was obviously cheating and a bunch of people who were warping all over the screen, all while trying to combat random knock-backs, through shots, and instant-death from low skill players hitting 20% LG that somehow feels like 80% on my screen because the client-side hit detection makes everyone with 100 ping, warp, and no skill outaim seasoned veterans who normally hit 45-50% LG.

upon venting my frustration, some moron on my friends list started talking shit (he had 20 ping and no lag, so obviously everything is perfect for him and he can't envision the awful piece of shit that is Quakelive netcode), at which point I decided to /block him and then later remove him from my friends list after the game. the block worked marvelously, and I exited the game momentarily that I could perform my second act. oh, wait, Chrome is "unsupported" and none of the AJAX stuff works--in fact, it's getting even worse with every update (particularly the last two)--and I can't even delete friends using Chrome. I was well aware of the Chrome bugs, but I was using it nonetheless out of habit, and because I normally have a bunch of tabs open in Firefox. alright. a minor inconvenience, yeah? so I loaded Firefox simply to remove a friend, then closed Firefox, re-opened Chrome, logged back into Quakelive, and rejoined the server I had been playing on. oh, wait, the block suddenly doesn't work. and someone on my friends list is going online and offline 20 times per second. I've already removed three people...

oh, and I just tried to enter messagemode and say something so my QL plugin crashed. my bad. I should have known better. I'll just rejoin and type it again. oh, wait, the text I typed disappeared. let me type it one more time. that should do it. hrm, this is boring.. maybe I'll join a duel. only one duel? ah, well, looks like their game is almost over so I'll just wait around. oh, shit, I flooded the server. good thing they fixed that bug.

client-side hit detection

I wish I could find shrooms as good as the ones you just ate.

okay?

Your client doesn't do shit in the hit detection process.

right.

It's okay he thinks QL uses AJAX, lol

It should tbh.

http://www.clean-pro.fr/images/produits/Ajax-...lumen3.jpg

you're so french

I dont buy anymore games... I will buy diablo III that is about it. I have no intention to buy sc:2 either. However, as of yet, I will cancel the subscription and when I feel the need to renew it, I do. I have played this game for 1.3 months so I suppose paying another 20EUR would not hurt much. Will see...

diablo 3 is carebear mode. No longer lose a level or loot when you die and some other gay shit. But what I'm going to do is fire up my remote desktops 3 or 4 of them. Run farmers all day, blizzard is allowing users to sell items on the auction house for real money

I'll wait for the next update and decide then

Same here, hope it will be released soon...

premium is so cheap it would be criminal not to renew

not gonna renew
- no server support in my location
- no general support to push the game mainstream
- no will to listen to what players want
- nothing actually useful implemented since it went public beta, it's still the same shit
- no anticheat
- chrome is not supported anymore


I don't see why to spend even a single cent on this shit we still pretend to call a game

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anyone wanna buy me a prem?

sure, i just need your credit card details :>