I'd say "I'd rather see new maps" will be the winner of this poll.

LG that pulls towards you? Might be a little more interesting if it did more dmg as it pulled in closer, kinda combining it with the old ranged LG (7-6-5). Wouldn't mind more low grav maps tbo.

Edit: I can only hope that this is some kind of setup for new maps, gametype or something.

It's new "content" from five minutes of value altering, it's okay I guess.

Yeah, because you have access to the source code and would know that for a fact, right?

This could easily have led to the alteration of complex programming algorithms, which means spending dozens of manhours on doing program design and writing pseudocode before they even touch any code, and then on referring to and altering potentially thousands of lines of code. This could have easily been a waste of a lot of time on id's part. :\

This could easily have led to the alteration of complex programming algorithms, which means spending dozens of manhours on doing program design before they even touch any code, and then on referring to and altering potentially thousands of lines of code.

low gravity (sv_gravity),
increased speed (sv_MAXSPEED)
and altered weapon settings

Are you serious?

First off, how is "increased speed" associated with "maximum speed?" Second off, why are you assuming that it's that easy to alter weapon settings?

Seriously, stop being so ignorant. You're not on the development team, and so you're merely jumping to conclusions. It's a poor move on id's part to make DevPick either way, so let's leave it at that.

Because the weapon damages are in the server configs, look at instagib, it's a different config completely for those servers.

Also, because it's STUPID to think that something as SIMPLE as this is HARD to change.

Maybe you don't understand the logical association with programming, but you don't make something like weapon damages a thousand lines of code. Also, we know it's not editing the game, seeing as how we don't have to download anything new to get into the servers. This means it's all done with the server, and is done through the config.

Syncerror was changing the LG damages back when it was 6-7-8 in a private server with me and Walter, and he was doing it through the console. Do you really think their that stupid?

First off, how is "increased speed" associated with "maximum speed?"

Because there's sv_minspeed and sv_maxspeed which alter the speed of how fast you can move?

I'm being ignorant? You're the one suggesting that the coders are idiots and don't know how to code things in a simple fashion. I'm assuming the weapon damages are done in a very easy way to manipulate.

I'm the one who's saying to simply not jump to conclusions, hence:

This could easily have led to the alteration of complex programming algorithms

Key word: could. Could. Coulddddddd.

Because there's sv_minspeed and sv_maxspeed which alter the speed of how fast you can move?

Unless you're either saying that changing these two CVAR's changes the acceleration or that, by increased speed, they merely meant an increased limit in speed, this still makes no sense. Maybe you meant sv_minspeed in your previous post as well.

Also, do I really think id's coders are idiots? With the exception of arQon, absolutely.

rcon

dude, you are way off :)

you must be confused

unfortunaley I have to agree to gillz

http://www.iddevnet.com/quake4/DefinitionFile

You can change the weapon damage, knockback, gravity, and speeds of Q4 simply by editing the settings in a "definition file". QL is probably very similar.

does it say something about "lg pulling", too or would that just be a negative knockback value?

I'm not sure about the LG pulling, but using a negative value might work.

Yep.

g_knockback_lg -1.50 for example will do it.

Because it is that easy to alter weapon settings. Shit, even the LG damage was set in cvar's, easily toggable, as was starting health and armor. Also, you and I both know they don't spend much time at all with half the shit they "add" in QL.

Quake Live - 100% more useless shit that spawns from moddb, but 0% of the actual community modders that make it!

coming soon: marshmallows!

Looks to me like they're just trying to delay QL's inevitable demise with the least amount of work possible.

Bit like throwing a cocktail sausage to a hungry tiger.

Quake Live needs to make some proper updates.

Like Team Fortress 2

Give Keel a hat.










A top hat.

if anyone deserves a tophat its slash












geddit

Yeah but who's gonna use that model ¬¬

axl

QL deve,opment moved to such ridiculous status that i wouldn''t be suprised if next they collaborated with AGP and those retards from e+ :D

low gravity servers .... oh no !

its public counterstrike beta servers from 2000 all over again!

It's actually pretty fun.

but yea pretty much agreed with Toin Coss, [+]'d

So you'd think these small funny gravity/physics changes over a weekend can be one of the reason for the lack of new maps we see in the game ?

I wish you guys to endup at their own places and see the negative comments by average joe who knows nothing about whats going on and wouldn't want to understand/witness it if he was told.

You don't just take this or that map and put it onto the game with no background thinking. You can't that easily use one's product and put it on the commercial market without no legal issues kicking in. You can't hire 150 map makers with a limited budget either.

Now I'm usually on the side of the ones whining for new maps everyday (every 30 seconds) aswell but these physics changes only probably take a few minutes to edit.

EDIT: and I DID have a lotta fun with the attractive rather than repulsive weapon shots, more fun than I had in months for sure playing quakelive :-)

they didnt seem to have any problems with implementing ztn, tho the author is long time inactive.Why wouldnt they do the same with osp map pack theres hordes of ppl screaming for it?!

sounds more like they had a long conversation with ztn and probably had to make sure a lot of legal issues were fixed before they could even start editing the map so that it fits in quakelive's gameplay.

I'm pretty sure now they're more working on how to have a good process of adding custom maps rather than work individually on each single map which in the long-term will make adding new maps more frequent.

They probably lost some time and effort just adding ztn which probably did slow down their pace in working on the core game and the whole premium service.

They don't need to hire anybody to make maps though. A simple map-making contest would suffice.
There's plenty of talented map-makers out there who would add great maps into Quake Live for free.

I just think ID are too lazy to advertise this sort of thing and would rather leave it as it is with the occasional small update like these (which are easy to make).

Of course, it's still baffling how they bothered to add things in like that giant 32 player CTF Christmas map and the Fallout Bunker shit.

do i have to quote syncerror on this or could you just go and find the answer from id themselves ?

bored of the same lines over and over again :/

OMG, thousands of companies around the world regularly hire 3-rd party contractors to do content for them, but id software has some "legal issues" with this commonplace procedure?
I'd say, this is total bullshit!

"contractors"

the legal problems are not with ppl working for id, but with custom content made by random ppl...

Yeah, they should go the Russian route and just infringe on copyrights.

Of course, it's still baffling how they bothered to add things in like that giant 32 player CTF Christmas map and the Fallout Bunker shit.

those maps are owned by idsoftware, so they can add them without any legal troubles, even with a map contest there would be tons of legal problems.

Why don't ID just write some legal agreements (securing that ID have full ownership of the maps made) that every contenter have to accept before entering the contest?

I can't see why it has to be so difficult.

Who makes sure that all the content in those maps is actually by the map maker and not from someone else who could then go on and sue them?

couldn't they do that before finalizing the agreement? Or is this part of the process already?

(I'm not trolling here, I just don't know much about the process)

id would have to release a special mapping client that can only use the quakelive content and nothing custom, thats pretty much the only way i could think of right now since you can never be sure that the custom content is really by the map creator and not someone else, no matter what he says or signs.

Can't ID just make the mappers sign a contract saying that the maps made are property of ID but if there is to be found any illegal content in the maps, then the mappers are responsible and not ID? Or is such an agreement impossible?

If it were that easy, don't you think they would have done that by now?:)

I have no idea. But it doesn't seem like they are doing much, so who knows?

its hard doing much with propably only 3 ppl to work with ;/

Exactly

I always thought that every custom wc3 map belongs to blizzard, but they are not responsible for the content ? Isn't it true ? Why can't ID do the same ?

blizzard isn't distributing wc3 custom maps?

Your right. Can this be agreed or there are legal issues ?

there are always legal issues ;/

I suppose it might be more difficult to do if the mappers work for free.

And in either case it might be possible to sue id for a share of the profit (yeye, I know a share of 0 is still 0)generated with a map that contains copyrighted parts. This is just guessing, though.

or id could just get wireframes of maps from mapping contests and do the texturing later, in-house. same goes for any other critical content.

for which they would need mappers in the ql team.

they took our maps!
thay tuk ur mupz!
durr hurr hurr durr!

AHAHAHAHA.

s0 mucH fu/\/ !1§!!!! lo0l !1

low gravity AND increased speed

>"Hurr durr, I make myself hard to aim at because I'm a homo who always plays nothing but scoutzknivez in CS"

a weaker lightninggun that pulls players toward you

>Lightning gun that makes hurr durr rocket whores even more dominant
>Lightning gun that does the opposite of compensating for its weaker damage
>Lightning gun is also relatively weak under normal settings anyways

a plasmagun with more kick

>More hurr durr plasma spam

So, basically, DevPick is going to be all about rocket and plasma spam and, thus, will only be fun for the sort of scrub who likes playing gay shit.

THIS AINT 4CHAN, WE SPEAK NORMAL HERE.

WE SPEAK NORMAL HERE.

Unless, by normal, you mean like antisocial, pseudointellectual elitists, I'd beg to differ.

I always found it interesting to see people use the term "pseudointellectual" as an insult.

Most of the time it's people who aren't at a risk of reading to many books or being intelectual, themselves. You are a fine example.

As for "antisocial" I think your "hurr durr" comments are a fine example of that.
So, if antisocial, pseudointelectual really is the norm here, you fit right in.

I'm only antisocial towards people I don't like. And I don't like elitists, especially the ones whose heads are so far up their asses that they still look normal on the outside yet act like they don't actually flap their asscheeks while they speak, so there's your daily dose of explanation as to why I couldn't give two fucks about any of you sad people.

Also, it's not like you can antagonize or alienate an inanimate object (AKA, a fucking video game), so to call me antisocial simply for criticizing something rather than someone is quite laughable.

so "hurr durr rocket whores" are an inanimate object?


The only elitist here, who claims to be able to predict the effects of gameplay changes so well, that playtesting them is pointless, is you. But I guess you are just too full of yourself to notice.

Every well-balanced game, was play-tested witht the trial and error method, but I guess only because they didn't have advent™ to tell them what works and what doesn't.

so "hurr durr rocket whores" are an inanimate object?

Looks like someone fails to understand context in the English language. Maybe you should stick to speaking German or whatever the fuck your native language is.

That is, unless you think me generalizing random players who whore out the rockets is antisocial, which I think is even stupider than if my initial interpretation were right. Had to edit this post 'cause I gave you enough credit intellectually to not assume that were the case, but it hit me: you're actually quite dense. So why wouldn't you be capable of actually thinking that?

Every well-balanced game, was play-tested witht the trial and error method

The flaw of trial-and-error: it requires human judgment, and human beings can be wrong. This time around, they were wrong, so what's your point?

The only elitist here, who claims to be able to predict the effects of gameplay changes so well, that playtesting them is pointless, is you.

You play a game long enough, and it becomes easy to visualize what certain changes will be like. For instance, considering how shafting someone who has rockets equipped in DevPick would result in bringing the rocket boy closer to them, well, that's just common sense right there. Too bad you can't use your imagination -- I mean, it's not like you can use your brain either, so I'm not surprised.

Lastly, I'm not full of myself. It's just that, unlike most people, I can actually justify my views on things, and justify them pretty solidly. Not to mention I have this seemingly rare ability to admit when I'm wrong. Except I have a hard time being convinced I'm wrong on this site, and I don't think it's because you guys are simply indifferent towards my opinions...

calling people who use rockets a lot "hurr durr rocket whores" is certainly antisocial.
or saying something like "Hurr durr, I make myself hard to aim at because I'm a homo"

If you are unable to understand that you might want to go back to French or whatever your native language is.

Don't wanna reply to your other jibberish, but Ilol'd at this one.

Lastly, I'm not full of myself. It's just that, unlike most people, I can actually justify my views on things, and justify them pretty solidly.

You can't judge yourself how well you present your opinion. I don't want to elaborate, becuase I don't think I can explain well enough for you to understand.
As for being able to admit one is wron, that is indeed a good thing, and several people here do lack that or have infact tried to mark it as a "weakness". But your addition that you have a hard time being convinced on this site, really says a lot. You think you smarter than everyone and don't want to admit you aren't.

If you don't want to be called anti-social, don't come here and scream 4chan memes. It's not funny, and yes, it does show anti-socialism, considering that site is full of those people and everyone knows it.

i like my coffee like i like my women, inanimate

This could be more fun than Tribes tbh. I'd consider adding a traditional grappling hook (does lg work on teammates?), but that could require work

I always thought that excessive is the most fun 'unserious' mod so they could look for ideas there, too much difference from vanilla could make it a bit complicated tho. But who am I kidding here, if they think we'll wait forever for competitive features they will probably go on... Doing nothing.

where is my sc2 beta key? :(

was nice, now it's new maps and defrag ql! :D

wtf is this shit

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my reaction for ANY ql update. :(

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Is it for excessive+ players or what?

I hoped they would try CA 1vs1 servers. I think it would have been far better.

:(

amen

WHERES THE HOOK?!!?!?!?!?!?!

hub3aeroql coming?

zzz......

cpm4, ospdm5, ospdm6, ospdm11, hub3aeroq3 plz

its just a poor attempt to bridge the "stagnancy" of updates

Basically:

You ain't some ascii artist!

Curse your admin powers and curse this site for it's wacky post font!

problem is - ID will add new maps, make good updates, but after 1+ year, then noone will play QL

ID IS KILLING THEM OWN CHILD!

<@Comfort> This is only a maintenance update, and there will be nothing visibly changed to you guys. We do have a fairly large feature update and new dev blog in the works that will be landing in the near future.

Dunno where this guys come from, but I hope this is soon and useful. Even just a new dev blog is a step forward lol.

Maybe once they start to get money coming in (private servers) things may go quicker, and get better. Who knows really =\

How about fixing the existing bugs in quake live so that it gets adapted first?

It sure is a fun way to get more people in (low grav, altered weapon settings etc.) but this could've easily waited and be implemented in a better way with a mod coming from id's own stable.

devpick servers.... *facepalm*....

attention whoring from ql's crew

Tru tru.

give us EXSESSIV PLUS settings

did not try it but I don't think this is the cause of id not bringing other/more features

What the hell is this shit? First disgusting large CA, now some mod that recreate's a 12 year old CS server admin messing with the game.

SyncError?

this new fast tdm shit is even worse than the low grav shit

a tker's wet dream

hub.

please.

would be worth something if the experimented bunny hoping or crouchslides or something like these ; but low grav... come on

crouchslides!!!

"sorry guis we didn't have time to update ql so we gave you shitty devpicks this weekend so you'll forget about the fact that we didn't update ql again for 2 months now"

"also, advent is an idiot. It took us 5 seconds to change the weapons damage values"

"that is all"