Convert it into an .avi and i will be happy :]~

How can you call this a great battle?
Tresh was too good for Billox. A 11-10 game is more fun to watch than 30-0 after 10 min. I didnt saw it any longer.

thats the point unikum (great thing u did with Fragaholic tho :)) u see.. this game was great cause Billox was pretty good.... until he met Thresh... As long as thresh played q2 he ownded the whole scene at dm1 and dm3. Belive he played like 98 and spring 99...

// fragaholic-wanabe :)

hi Unikum :)

Well this is a great batle bacause billox won a big tournment. and his prise was to meet Thresh... and he showed whos the master... :)

'Greatest battles of all' sorry but..WTF???
its 15 mins of thresh owning billox, who wasnt the UK's best but Wireplays best. But while he maybe wasnt the UK's best he was a good player, so thresh showing us how amazing he really was.

Billox came 3rd at one of the quake 3 cpls at quake 3 so i think it is safe to say that when he tries he is one of the top uk quakers. If this had been blokey he would have been whooped the same, don't believe me? Check the blue vs blokey game on q2dm1..raped!

blue vs blokey lanned?
don't remeber watching that one...
linked?

Blue vs Blokey

wtf does blue and blokey have to do with it!!??
this is thresh and billox

wow you don't say...
grow up kid,
Thorin mentioned a demo so i asked about it...
so please be quite untill you have some thing sensible to post or say.

You are a moron if you don't understand the relevancy after i said this:

If this had been blokey he would have been whooped the same, don't believe me? Check the blue vs blokey game on q2dm1..raped!

DUH! I was showing that any of the Uk's "best" would have gone the same way billox did...owned!

>Check the blue vs blokey game on q2dm1..raped!

If I remember correctly, they played 2 q2dm1 games, the first was incredibly close all the way, with blue beating blokey by a few frags.

The second blue got a good start and blokey kinda gave in I think, cos blue was obviously better.. although the next day he did the same thing to Makaveli, raping him in exactly the same way for the same reasons.

Also I dont think blokey was such a good player then as he is now, I think blokey learnt loads and improved a lot after the EDL.

It's great 'cause of Thresh's rails.

well its not that billox was a bad player (though he improved quite a bit before the tournament thorin mentioned I think, after playing more on the net), but I don't think he'd ever really played 1on1 before (pretty much all the rounds of quakedelica were FFA games untill the final and this game), more of a FFA player, so there was no way he'd have coped against Thresh.

Billox was the king of the wireplay ffa servers so a newbie himself but the king of the newbies.
round that time it should of been one of the unr boys to represent the uk.. maybe luke from the ukccl community not the wireplay. pff

anyone know where to get a thresh POV demo of this game, no offence but i cant stand watching demos from 3rd person POV, no matter how fancy the cam work.

i lub thresh

all you cretins saying this demo aint all that and a bag of potato penguins can bog off :]
This demo OWNZ

even now its still one of the best
Thresh imo IS the greatest quaker that has ever been

Pure skill

Wireplay was reknown for being where newbies played, being a champion of wireplay didn't put you near cpl winner standards. Thresh wasn't beating down some amazing player, it just a higher skilled player dominating a lower skilled player. If you like demos like that then yea, its a good demo to watch. Forget the nonsense about billox never dueling as he dueled a lot.

yup. That's true.

What's true? Because i find it hard to believe you're an expert on the wireplay q2 community ;)

Thresh wouldn't play Billox on match1 (aka the crappest map ever), nor would he let Billox use his preferred mouse because it was USB.

This was a real 1st generation Q2DM1 fight, probably fought @ <40fps - but you can see Thresh demonstrating tactics and weapon usage that was emulated several revisions later.

I doubt most of the competitors @ the MoS had even seen the 'double jumps' before - nor the way Thresh used the chaingun.

he was a pioneer of competitive gaming. too bad he stopped playing. best player? would sound biased. smartest player? yes, imo.

This is the 1st Quake 2 demo I ever saw and I loved every bit of it.

I'm glad. :)

Wireplay for newbies? I remember a couple of WP clans going into the UKCCL and beating the hell out of net clans, much to the disgust of the net clan there, who just decided to slag em off mostly. Not all the time of course :) Anyway, Billox was a NET player, not a Wireplayer.

If I remember correctly HooD were originally Wireplay based, they are the only wireplay clan I remember competing well in div1 of the ukccl, on there day they could compete with the current top teams at the time, like UNR and NME but I don't remember them "beating the hell" out of them.

There will always be exceptions but generally wireplay was considered a lower standard of play, at the time there weren't any flatrate isp's and wireplay was a closed network so the smaller community obviously contributed to the quality being a bit lower.

At the time there was no UK player that could challenge Thresh so it didn't really matter who played him, the prize was to get beat up by thresh.

immortal was still my favourite top player tho, purely because of his reckless style, Thresh may have been the best player overall, but immortal made the best shots, and he was mouthy too :).

aka Pigeon

Wireplay were the early training grounds for a couple of the top UK quakers such as Q50.

*lol* @ Brittish q2 players..

demos like this just make me smile. it really goes to show how one can appreciate a player so ahead of his time. as the standard rises for "pro" players, it's clear new faces will emerge and display the ability to adapt while old ones stagnate and fall behind. thresh was a player who truly advanced his game to another level for each tourney\match. we must all remember that the key to era-comparison is the *context*. nothing makes sense without that in mind to evaluate the level of play at the time.

thresh truly dominated and this demo shows just how completely he rendered opponents hopeless. y'all should catch thresh vs. angelstorm on dm1. the only other Thresh POV q2dm1 demo i know that exists. his match vs. the [UNR] dude was chase.

peace.

I beat Billox with all hand grenades on q2dm1 in the practice area at the PGL Season 3 Finals that Thresh won. I wouldn't have considered him a top player by any means. Not taking anything away from Dennis though, cause I know the real story on how good he was at Quake 2 being I got to see it first hand on many occassions. =)

How good was tresh compard to shub anyways?
i know they had to have played at your place when shub was there.

i wish i could see the demo where thresh beat u in q2dm1 only using hand grenades...

I would like some q2 makavelis demos, i've never seen one of you, only in q3.
I like the game betwen thresh and immortal, dm3, that is a good game.

yeah!

Billox was not a Wireplayer.
+ a lot of good people got kicked out of the quakeadelica qualifiers for being under 18 at the time, final being in a nightclub!

And Wireplayers rocked!!

immy coulda given thresh a run for his money on q2dm1

billox was a net player, not a wireplayer, also he was not a dueler, the qualification rounds were FFA, if it was duel then wireplayer gamers like vorv would have beat him early on (and did in later tornemants), if the best net players like enigma had played then billox would have been slaughtered similarly to thresh's score by a uk player

just before this tourney at the playing fields thresh lanned against some uk duelers there was a good demo from this vs unr.rude. Thresh still won 10-0 which is a much more realistic measure of how the top usa players compared to the uk, i think someone like Luke would have got a couple of frags against him. I agree americans like Immortal & Lv were in a diff class to the uk(& most of the world) but this demo should not be taken as a measure of quality of either the uk or usa competative scene at the time.

#37
thresh v rude was crap
no offense
rude was hiding (advanced tactics? compared to billox , yes )
at one point thresh says "..."
as in "why don't you attack ?"
could also say "why don't YOU attack?" , rather than camp the mega room like fk (thresh's tactics in that match)
maybe he was more aware of his opponent ? who know's?
who cares?
you are absolutely right in my opinion about vader though , he was the real thing .
watch him destroy makaveli in 2 straight maps at a quakecon comp. all 5 round's he played were spot on . round 1 70-0 to vader . round two(maybe 3) he takes apart his clanmate , 3 another guy falls , four and five heavy defeats for makaveli . and these were all at a time whe people (ie makaveli and such ) were really good , no doubt they got better and makaveli was the only one to stick around and develop even further . as for shub great also , but makaveli out thinks him in two games @ edl .
this is not a flame at any particular player and i would tend to believe makaveli's repeated comments about thresh's greatness compared to all .
truth is , in the timeframe of these demo's no one could touch him (vader seemed to play his best later than this ) although this is not that great a demo and i think there were a lot of pissed off players at the time when billox got smashed , to the effect of "i could have done better"

http://www.3d-demos.com/demos.asp?details=1&id=1851

http://www.3d-demos.com/demos.asp?details=1&id=463

http://www.3d-demos.com/demos.asp?details=1&id=1836

http://www.3d-demos.com/demos.asp?details=1&id=646


high ping, not LAN-ping..

hf.

http://www.3d-demos.com/demos.asp?details=1&id=682

also nice demo

4on4: zyz against purri


hf

I remember this quite clearly, at the time billox had only ever dueled q2dm1 a couple of times. I myself had beaten him 10-1 ish a few weeks earlier on a duel server on a modem.

But billox was a decent tdm player at the time.

Basically NO net players entered this tourney except billox (I didnt even know it was happening untill the day after). It was a tournament for the wireplay community, which was very newbyish at the time.

After the tournament Billox put a lot of practise into dueling and got a LOT better and became one of the best in the UK.

At the time of this tournament any of the top UK duelers would have done similar things to billox on this map, he just clearly had no idea what he was doing.

Billox went on to become a really good top q3 dueler in the UK.

Just to add to that, Billox did use to duel match1 an awful lot before this tourney, but would refuse to play q2dm1 on publics cos he didnt know it.

And as to someone saying a wireplay team beat UNR etc. .that was SOME time after this demo, the wireplay community developed loads after the thresh visit in terms of skill because it encouraged them to go out and play net players.

Also the top uk player at the time of this demo was icespirit ( knows what alias/name he was using at this time), but he was a notch above luke and rude I think, more importantly he was a very clever player, not all aim, it have been interesting to see him against thresh. Ice retired after winning euroquake q2 1v1 (early 99 over blokey,luke etc) because I think he was failing university.

Are there any rumours to the story that billox was pissed at that match? (pissed=drunk for the american audience) or hungover maybe i dunno just a rumour,

and i think uk q2'er liquid could have beat em all tbh,
although he was about when thresh had retired, oh well best dueler in uk me thinks.

liquid turned out as a top uk q2er but would not have beaten (a few examples) icespirit, mecca, rude, luke, blokey, exor, vorv etc back in those days

was=wasn't sorry

I still rate thresh as the best q2 player of all time whatever.

thresh was the best at his time.

but then, when he stopped playing, new players come.. shub and blue were way better than thresh. and when shub and blue stopped playing, the new players gots even better than them...

today best players are zyz, purri, damiah, thiago, xanyon, dajna, shock, cygnus, adam, jaydee and so on.. (all almost equally good).

it doenst mean, that thresh or anyone others, couldnt have had a chance to further be the best. they just stopped playing.

and the game (q2) improved a lot...

new jumps, new tactics, better aiming (also because better pcs.. more fps, and other things).

and some of the new top players maybe started playing at the same time thresh did. so they played years longer..


here watch some new demos..

http://www.esreality.com./?a=post&id=134728

http://www.esreality.com./?a=post&id=130742

http://www.prinzmanu.de/demo/u_vs_lnt.zip


its all just a matter of training..

two things

1- I think you r wrong when you say that BLUE and SHUB were way better them Thresh because Makaveli owned then both and i readed somewhere that every time he ,makaveli, played Thresh he was amazed by his skills.

2- you cannot forget that Quake2 evolved about 2-3 years since Thresh stopped playing. The question is: If you had a time machine and made a duel Thresh x TodaysTop, todays top player would definetily win...BUT....if THresh were still playing, and evolving, 3 years....there is N-O W-A-Y any of todays player would have enough skill to even put a close game...

He was undoubtely the most dominating player ever, he owned everyone and everybody when he still played. He won a quake1 and a quake2 contest in the same day. Thats fucking impressive. And every generation of quake was inspired by his game, most of todays tactics come from that time...

*Sigh*
Nothing improved except for the pc's and jumps but that's it. Give Shub 2 days and he'll beat the **** outta zyz/purri.
Yawn

Where can I find Demos of this Vader...

can't you get the demo in 1st person pov?

FED^Mrs E.Coli owned all on UK dual servers.

Yeah, but not on the duel servers