I hate hockey, it sucks so bad.

Ok.

The [-] button should be brought back for morons with bad tastes like yourself.

You're a moron!

Aah, yeah. What a comeback by me.

It has always been like this. The lack of sportsmanship and a leveled playing field is what's wrong with international hockey. But no one does anything about so it'll never change.

Lack of sportsmanship is debatable... and a leveled playing field..? Thats a good thing last I checked.

IMO:
Olympic Hockey has never failed to live up to great matches for the sport on the international level.

and a leveled playing field..? Thats a good thing last I checked.

Yes, and a lack of one would therefore be a bad thing, right?

Not like it's something that can be helped. Someone's going to have home field advantage no matter where you play, unless you have them play in like Brazil or something.

Should be established that we should play old time hockey, like Eddie Shore

[15:49:12] <@funnyb> ofta jag håller mig vaken
[15:49:16] <@funnyb> kanada kommer rappa jue
[15:49:19] <@funnyb> dom vinner alltid jvm jue

get over it

interesting.

exactly what I thought Khorney.
Makes me sick that people choose fighting over playing.
Ruins the game, I was really close to just shut of the tv and go to bed the during the second period. But I didn't :)

it's like this in swedish elitserien aswell. i guess mindless drones are drawn to stonage-like adrenaline kicks which is fighting eachother. i bet half the crowd doesnt even know what icing is.

alpha males go!!!!!!11

well yeah, some rough play is a part of the game. I do realise that but things really went out of hand this game. Don't really get that anyone wasn't hurt bad.

I can't really say anything about elitserien, just watched one game this season. Hv vs linköping(Live lolz!) and they played pretty clean the whole game. That's the kind of hockey I like to enjoy anyway :)

it's the stuff you put on cakes

The only reason I go to hockey games is to see fights :D

you sir, are a true American idiot.

You don't like boxing or mma? I'm just not a huge hockey fan. I'd much prefer to see a football/basketball/baseball/soccer game over hockey. Fights/good hits are the only reason I like hockey :X

boxing, ufc and such stuff is just retarded. Actually I think it's quite sick that people pay to see someone get beaten really bad.

It's not like they're being forced to fight each other. It's what they enjoy doing and they obviously understand the risks involved, perhaps that's their motivation to do it. I can appreciate the skill some of the people involved in fighting/boxing have, just like in any other sport, which is why I enjoy it.

I do understand your reasoning man, but I personally don't get the fighting stuff in hockey.

It's like at some point in history a few consecutive fights happenned in hockey games back to back, and some show biz people saw how people got interested in the fights more then a game (GENIUS, PEOPLE LIKE STRIFE!) while the fight happened. So they decide to have it in EVERY game.

Now you see 2 guys call each other out like they are saying "ok its our turn for the show fight now". Feels like a non-fake WWF and I thought hockey was about shooting goals anyway.

Now, players ramming in to others so they fly through windows in the crowd I can understand, atleast thats a honest bloodsport then :D


bah wrote an essay, guess I had that on my mind for too long a time :)

Yeah I can completely understand that. I just think fighting as long as no one gets seriously injured is kind of enjoyable to do or watch. I don't know how many times i've fought/seen friends fight during a night out just for the fucks sake of it lol

are you seriously comparing idiots throwing pathetic punches to boxing and mma?

you sir are fucking cunt.

2 people really going at it can be pretty entertaining to watch. I;m more of referring to real fights here not hockey fights. It can be much more enjoyable to watch over boxing/mma. No rules and all adrenaline and emotion.

So you:

- Like hockey fights and big body checks

- Despite the above, you (relatively) don't like to see good goaltending, sick puck handling, or well-timed one-timers and other sorts of set-ups for scoring chances

- Despite the above, like plenty of other sports

I fail to understand your logic, especially considering there's tons of different skills involved in professional hockey just like any other sport. I'm just wondering, what's different about hockey that makes it not enjoyable for you to watch as opposed to football or baseball?

Personally, I find the fast pace and flow of a hockey game is much more exciting than football's "play for 15 seconds, huddle for 30, rinse and repeat for 60 minutes" pattern. I won't even get into trying to watch baseball -- it's fun to play, yes, but how could you ever prefer watching a ballgame over a hockey game?

Don't know...hockey is just boring for me to watch, why can't you understand that?

Oh, I understand that it's boring for you to watch -- just not why. You don't seem to understand that, either.

Um, isn't everything in life that you enjoy/dislike explained by that rationale?

Most people I know have actual reasons for liking something beyond "it's just cool/fun."

I actually wrote an essay concerning something similar to this topic in a philosophy course I took. It was dealing with the idea of how we establish rationale behind our reasoning for having a specific motivation or ideal and how we got the basis for that idea, in this case it being 'why we like what we like' etc...it was an interesting topic to pursue but ultimately a failure in terms of arguing logically with no fallacies.

It's not like it's a surprise that Canada plays tough and that hockey refs have some kind of random function when determining what should be penalised and not.

It's also not the first (and sadly almost certainly not the last) year that Swedes whine about unfair treatment instead of fighting back.

As for me, I like the fights in hockey and I always cheer when someone of the opposing team gets hurt. Anyone stupid enough to play a game, where something that would render in year long sentences if done somewhere else only renders in a two minute penalty, kind of deserves it. Go Darwin.

I dont mind actual fights, in fact they can be quite fun. But this was different, it was tackling the goalie. Something that is very frowned upon normally. I think its very cowardice to tackle the goalie, and unlike canadians, i do not like it.

I'm not saying it's ok to do anything that's against the rules, I'm just saying if the other team does it without being penalised, I'd be the first to demolish their goalie if I actually played.

You should hit the player that did it then, not the goalie. Their goalie didnt do anything wrong!

Neither did our goalie? It's not like it would give the same effect if I just hit the player expecting it and start some lame fight.

I know Markström didnt do anything bad, but I dont think that doing the exact same thing is very fair. We'd be none better than them.
But I guess, you might be right, if they pull that shit again, we should respond twice as hard :)

It's not about morals, it's about pissing them off enough to win. :)

why wont you watch a true fighting sport then?

what you are doing with cheering is just helping the idiots along, ruining the true sport which is the game of hockey.

i do watch k1 and the likes more frequently than hockey.

if hockey were to ever be played by the rules and not some random interpretation that allows x amounts of holding/hooking if condition y is met and ref z decides, then i'd probably like it a lot more. as it is, the fighting is way more entertaining than watching people holding each other.

let me get this straight..

you dont like the current state of hockey so you cheer for fighting hence making it even worse?

the people cheering on for foul play are the very key elements of this sports "downfall" in quality.

not the way i see it.

fighting = fun, holding/hooking = dead boring. good hockey would of course be the ideal and the reason one should watch hockey, though all the holding and hooking allowed kills that and hence fighting is the only fun part left.

what if you think one step ahead?

then it comes down to wheter or not all rule violations should be considered as related events or not. i would guess that most people don't cheer for hookings and holdings, though these are considered less violations than fighting anyway (and rightfully so, i guess).

i truly doubt that if everyone stopped cheering when people fought in hockey, the other rule violations would be less frequent (in fact, they might occur more instead as people might fight less and thus no real punishment would be given at all).

i disagree, supply and demand.

if people want fighting they will get it sooner or later.
when someone with money see you cheer only when there is fighting he will think "zing here is some excited crowd what do i do to make most money out of them?"

i've been going to swedish hockey since i was a kid like once a year and i can honestly say the enviroment has certainly gone torwards making a hot bowl down there on the ice. the most "intense" matches from the fans point of view seems to be the ones with most foul play. this disgusts me.

its been years since i heard someone say "man that was a great assist" or similar. instead i hear "man that was a great mowdown".. we're getting so americanized its scary

in a way i agree with you, while i still don't mind the fights at all. if two persons decide to settle it between themselves on the ice, then i'll only enjoy watching it. what i don't like about the more intense games is all the screenings and other stuff that slows the game down. i'll admit you've made me rethink my view a little and i will consider this more, perhaps even come to agree completely with you eventually.

i'd be more than happy to never see a fight in a hockey game ever again if that somehow lead to other rule violations actually being punished 100% of the times.

i've also watched hockey for at least 20 years and i totally agree that a game with high skill stuff (like old soviet style) is the best there is. thing is, the way hockey is played today, all that stuff is near impossible to pull since everyone is running interferences all over the place and thus those nice passes have been replaced by more random goals.

spoken like a true hero.

your reasoning makes sense to me now.

Wtf, a discussion on esreality just got resolved with both participants re-thinking their original positions?

Let me get my suit, must be time for the second coming of christ.

heh, though it is still quite hard to do, i really try not to let my ego stand in the way when someone has better arguments than i do. :)

I am truly impressed, awesome stuff, inspiring conversation from both of you :D

me making sense... guess there's a first time for everything. :)

That's right. Blame Americans for the actions of your citizens!

i was stating more in a general way :)

i dont know if you've noticed but the rest of the worlds media/mainstream wants to be just like our "big brother".. the us.

Yea. I'm still pondering as to why that is. Who the fuck would want to be like us?

wild guess is hollywood started it all :D

for us swedes it might go further than that though, i'm not sure if you're aware that swedes emigrated (spelling?) to the us back in the 19th century and even before that we had a lot of people moving. that's why you see "americans" with scandinavian last names..

Yes I know about the immigration into my country. We are a country of muts.

this is the cancer that is killing hockey.

just as faking injuries is killing football.

crap referees

AKA ITALIANS!!!!111!!!

Hah and the fucking Canadian crowd, speak about bad sportsmanship. Every time the swedes got the puck a big "BOOOOOH!" spread across the hall.

Markstrom should get into acting.

So should Tavares. Did you see him fly backwards in tears from Berglunds little touch on the face?

Can't recall sorry!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrH0ukdOG-c

LOL
LOL

Thats why they boo.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?

Maybe our players clipped him a little, but its fucking hockey. If you're gonna be out of your crease, rushing for the puck, expect to be touched.

DIVESTROM?

First hit, clearly hit by his own player yet he decides to embelish the hit with what seems like a backflip from a small touch to his head.

2nd he stuck out his leg as he was turning, his own fault. How does your helmet come off from a hit like that? No straps? If youre racing for the same puck as a forward, and you're a goalie, theres going to be a collision. Embelishing the contact isn't going to draw a penalty, even though I think it did in that situation (BULLSHIT). And that pussy attack by Hedman after that "hit" was why they boo Hedman.

3rd, he left his crease and they just collided. Canadian was just trying to protect himself, Hedstrom made no effort to avoid contact.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

from what i hear the whole game was pretty one-sided when it comes to ref calls. not only that "thing". i havnt watched the game myself tho

You ougtha be used to Swedes whining by now, we do everytime we lose in whatever sport is considered important. It's probably because the best selling "news"papers in Sweden always try to imply that there's been some foul play involved whenever Sweden loses and thus the braindead whining occurs.

news papers maybe, but in general i think jante-lagen still applies for most of us.

"yeah i guess they were the better team" is what people mostly say among my friends/family

jantelagen is a curse, that's for sure.

one could see it as "the team that was better att getting away with cheapshots and scoring questionable yet approved goals won", or whatever. it's hard to argue what really is "good hockey" and what is fair play when the rules are as dynamic as they are.

agree, hard to say.

Swedes will always think their own team is slightly better than everything else. You should've heard the Swedish commentators yesterday. They thought basically everything canada + the refs did was wrong. I was like lolz.

Canada played a lot better than Sweden the first 2 periods, although very much rough play especially in the end of the second period.

The last period I'd say were pretty even. For some reason both teams played more hockey and less fighting this period imo. Was good to watch :o

this might also be due to some questionable newspapers (lol aftonbladet) hyping our teams beyond comprehension before every major tournament. most swedish commentators have little to no clue about anything related to the game that isn't blatantly obvious, which just fuels the fire.

lol aftonbladet. I'm actually surprised that people keep reading their shit. They're so bad they're not even worth mentioning really.
Canada played better than the Swedes, especially in 5-4 moments. Nuff said, they deserved to win I guess :)

considering the general retardation of our population, i'm more surprised that there aren't more people reading it.

and there aren't really any undeserved victories, you just have to be better to adapt to the present conditions than your opponent. morals can of course be argued if you bribed the ref or something, but then again, they could've done the same but didn't. :)

yeah you've got some points there. The game is really all about adapting to the game and hit the opponents where they can't defend it.

and yes, since we've got so many retards it's pretty weird more doesn't read it.
I had an argument with a girl at work today about aftonbladet. She claimed it was a real newspaper, I was like no lol it's literally garbage.

sad thing is, as i've argued earlier in this thread, the game would be much better if the rules were always followed.

i guess it all comes down to if you define big brother-linda as news material or not. ;)

I think every game would be better and more enjoyable if the rules always was followed.
End of discussion perhaps :D

Sweden should've done like they did in the senior hockey. One final canada does a dirty check on Forsberg and win.
Next time sweden put crosby on his ass and won :)

Next time its our turn to hit their goalie, and stick their players in the face etc.

Problem is that all our major newspaper sucks. You'd actually have to search for a newspaper that gives any decent newsreporting.

Actually they (mainly Wikegård) did say Markström was excaggerating on the hit he got by the swedish player. And that Canada did play a good game & that sweden played quite poor.

So what channel were you watching? :)

You dont have to extend your leg that far to make that turn man. Unless you're a seriously bad skater :).
Come on, 3 times in one game? Hardly a coincidence, Markström, as well as Hedman was on the hitlist.

learn hockey rules, you are not allowed to collide with the goalie, no matter situation

not sure what to think of this before gillz commented

Are you seeing things?

Khorney
Posts: 6092
Timezone: Europe/Stockholm
Country: Sweden

Yeah, had you of been from ANYWHERE ELSE I would of honestly cared what you thought.

Bitch more.

Gillz
Posts: 1288
Registered: 12 Jan 2007
Full Name: Bryan Gilbert
Age: 19
Location: Northern Ontario


say waaaaaaaat

BOOYA!

Date registered doesn't mean anything.

I hope you're not one of those idiots who thinks 'ZOMG HE HAZ LEIK NO POSTS HES STUPID'

He meant that you are from ontario, canada. Same argument you did with him.

Sometimes you miss weird stuff man :D

Well, he bolded the wrong part =)

also true, guess thats weird of him in return.

you weirdos!

got you thinking didnt it

hehe

In other news, Jarkko Ruutu bit a guy on the ice the other day...

Yeah I saw that man, crazy finns :).

Btw did you see Semin's slap fight? Funniest shit i've seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ydsUCzi2E

Semin playing the bongos?

Oh god, why did I laugh so hard.

Fighting on skates is hard :(

You're all a bunch of internet faggots.

I prefer S club juniors

What I find hilarious is that international hockey refs call things so much faster than the leagues in Canada. A good example would be the hooking rule in international hockey where the blade of the stick only has to be parallel to the ice to get called.

And something about Canada playing a gritty, rough game and Europeans not liking fighting? Lets play into the stereotypes more people!

Also gogogo Canada! Time for 6 in a row!