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[BETA] pukka3ctf2 (13 comments)

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Posted by sumatra @ 14:56 CST, 8 December 2010 - iMsg

Hey, as some of you may have considered, I'm working on a CTF map for Quake Live / Q3 for quite a long time now.
Finally I finished a playable beta version. I'm really eager for your thougts/ideas on the current state.

I changed many parts since the last alpha version. I tried to scale down the distance between the bases/flags and decrease the complexity of the connections. I removed the third tier in the mid as well.
I hope I found the right balance beetween Attack and Defense.

I'm looking forward on feedback regarding the following points:

- Layout (I dont want to change big structures, but I willingly improve small parts/areas)
- Items (The items are not decided yet, counting on competitive feedback especially by QL CTF players)
- Visuals/Theme (Everything you have to suggest to improve the overall style and making the map easier to learn)

My To-Do-List:

- Clipping
- Lighting
- Fixing/Improving Areas
- Detailing (Just a bit, to make different areas more recognizable)

Q3 Version:
http://pukkadesign.com/maps/pukka3ctf2b01-Q3.zip

Quake Live Version:
http://pukkadesign.com/maps/pukka3ctf2b01-QL.zip

http://pukkadesign.com/maps/shot01.jpg
http://pukkadesign.com/maps/shot02.jpg

Thanks for any helpful comments in advance!
Hopefully I get more on topic feedback this time...

-sum

Edited by Nukm at 15:20 CST, 8 December 2010 - 13287 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 15:03 CST, 8 December 2010 >>

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<< Comment #2 @ 16:44 CST, 8 December 2010 >>

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ia

The visuals in the two screenshops are disappointing. Compared to some of your other maps, which look awesome, this texture set looks really generic.

Looks better ingame, doesn't really stand out though.

Layout is cool, looks promising. Not going to comment too much more without playing a match or two on it.

That 3rd level, as long as it's not super complex, might be cool. Map would probably be ok if it were a little bigger.

Edited by +ian at 16:59 CST, 8 December 2010

<< Comment #5 @ 06:09 CST, 9 December 2010 >>

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sumatra - Reply to #2

Hey ian,
ye, you shouldn't compare this map with my others. I don't want to add to much detail and eyecandy this time. I'm searching for competitve feedback, so visuals should't act a huge part. Only to distinguish the different areas.

You think it's too small? Why? I moved/altered a lot of areas to decrease the overall size and distances because it felt too big.
I was geared to the newer QL CTF-layouts of siberia or ironworks.

<< Comment #8 @ 18:44 CST, 9 December 2010 >>

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ia - Reply to #5

I think if maps give each player more freedom it increases the teamwork and coordination factor over the cess mid factor a little. Cp1 and w7, and to an extent w2 and cp15 are examples of this. Once maps get too small it also becomes almost impossible to sneak around as offense.

Ironworks for example I think is just barely large enough for 4v4. It's not any bigger than cp18, but just happens to be a little less open which saves it. Siberia is cool... but leans towards high d/mid too much. I wouldn't read into the "ql style" of ironworks and siberia deeply. They're good maps but represent just two examples out of many possible gameplay styles, and both are by the same author.

Edited by +ian at 18:45 CST, 9 December 2010

<< Comment #9 @ 02:22 CST, 10 December 2010 >>

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sumatra - Reply to #8

I also wanted to let room for more freedom how to attack the bases.
I didn't study only those 2 maps, I was also inspired by some situations of older VODs of clanbase matches or similar.
Ironworks is really a tight CTF map, but it works. My current layout is definately larger, especially to the sides.

As I wrote beneath:

"...Yes, this ledge is the fastest way to flag and back. But the def can easy shoot you down.
I tried to implement a variety of tactics, sneaky, slow ones and tricky, fast ones...."

Anyway it only works if the team communication is well thought.

Do you have some hints, how to improve those concerns you have?

Edited by sumatra at 02:23 CST, 10 December 2010

<< Comment #3 @ 17:38 CST, 8 December 2010 >>

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brz

basedef can't get any items without leaving the vicinity of the flag. maybe swap mega and yellow or put mega where yellow is and put a base directly across from the flag by the rl ammo.

looks pretty decent otherwise.and all i did was run around on it so no idea how it will play, but with the small ledge next to the 50h in base its pretty easy to do a straight run high to high. easy an in skill wise - once again might not be an issue during a proper game

nice to see some new ctf maps anyway

<< Comment #6 @ 06:14 CST, 9 December 2010 >>

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sumatra - Reply to #3

Hey Brz.
Yes, I'm also not sure about the def situation at the moment.
I thought about one def @flag / YA + tele) and another def @RA.
Maybe swapping MH and YA is already a step into the right direction + some shards/GA next to the flag/SG.

Yes, this ledge is the fastest way to flag and back. But the def can easy shoot you down.
I tried to implement a variety of tactics, sneaky, slow ones and tricky, fast ones.

The MH room and lowest tier is for the FC to hide and a sneaky but far route for the enemy attack.

Edited by sumatra at 06:15 CST, 9 December 2010

<< Comment #10 @ 09:48 CST, 10 December 2010 >>

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w0nk0 - Reply to #6

i havent played the map since a very old alpha version which i believe was played a bit in cpm pickups. however please dont change the map simply because base def has to leave flag to get items. this is not necessarily a bad thing.

as long as the base d can cover some of the exits while going for items it should be fine. what i mean is leave a tradeoff between playing safe while staying at flag risking a death and going for the item to stack up which forces you to communicate with ur mates and have them cover the exits you cant. (one of the main reasons why i find a lot of vq3 maps bleh is the fact that u can load up as base d without leaving flag too much).

ps: will test it out next week. should be able to get someone in na to host it on a server.

Edited by w0nk0 at 09:49 CST, 10 December 2010

<< Comment #11 @ 11:55 CST, 10 December 2010 >>

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sumatra - Reply to #10

Hey w0nk0, Don't worry, I won't change anything until I got more feedback and had some playtesting. Would be great if you get it tested on a public server. If you have a game or two, would be nice if you record demos.

Looking forward to further feedback!

Edited by sumatra at 11:56 CST, 10 December 2010

<< Comment #4 @ 20:42 CST, 8 December 2010 >>

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Can't test it now, but props for creating them.

<< Comment #7 @ 06:17 CST, 9 December 2010 >>

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sumatra

I try to find a server admin to host a game on cpma/vq3 soon.
Maybe someone is interested to playtest the map with real player.

Unfortunately Quake Live has no real custom map support, anyway for playtesting...

<< Comment #12 @ 00:32 CST, 11 December 2010 >>

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dravenza

Would like to see pukka3tourney5 as a QL duel map ;D

Map plays really well.

<< Comment #13 @ 14:52 CST, 12 December 2010 >>

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textures are too repetitive imho , seems great apart from that tho .

Edited by spartaz0rd at 14:52 CST, 12 December 2010

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