ESR - ZOTAC QL Duel Cup #45 with changes

<< Comment #1 @ 04:44 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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rexob

Replace t7/dm13 with Hektik then that would be an awesome map pool.

<< Comment #2 @ 04:50 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #1

Ztn is only fun to watch when it's played by russian school players (Avek and Guard are one of them too). Others are too boring on it.

<< Comment #3 @ 04:51 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Allancer - Reply to #1

that would be interesting

<< Comment #5 @ 05:09 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #1

Let them phase out the old and busted maps slowly, so we don't get a clusterfuck of LUCK when pro vs pro meet at major competitions.

(rapha will still win, but will be sub par games)

<< Comment #11 @ 05:33 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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palatka

make use of dismemberment, awesome map!

<< Comment #20 @ 06:29 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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JoKa - Reply to #11

indeed!

<< Comment #47 @ 09:58 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #11

great map indeed. oh man, I still remember fatality getting owned by death on this map, or stelam hitting 75% rail on it.

<< Comment #4 @ 05:08 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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daviezz

ztn out for hektik/phrantic gogo

<< Comment #6 @ 05:11 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #4

lol

ZTNTOURNEY1 FOREVER.

This map kicks ass, you can play it all rush (cypher) or all camp (if.22) or all traps (rapha) or all brain (cooller) or all aim (toxjq)

Edited by jamalz at 12:55 CDT, 11 August 2010

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<< Comment #30 @ 08:15 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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deji - Reply to #6

This.

Best Q3/QL duel map ever.

<< Comment #34 @ 08:47 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #6

This!

<< Comment #54 @ 10:47 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Jalle - Reply to #6

Actually pretty good desciption :D.

<< Comment #90 @ 14:09 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #6

or all ragequit (brumu)

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<< Comment #7 @ 05:11 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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ZeritoN

Need to jump off Quakecon's cock and put in Hektik and maybe Disem~

-ZTN DM13

Edited by ZeritoN at 06:12 CDT, 11 August 2010

<< Comment #8 @ 05:12 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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d00mer

participants need at least Quake Live Premium memberships to participate

That's exacly what i didn't want to read.

<< Comment #9 @ 05:28 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #8

I don't think someone will check it. So you can enter and remove 2 premium maps :)

<< Comment #10 @ 05:30 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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adrenal1ne

why can't the admins invite non subscribed people?

<< Comment #14 @ 05:57 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #10

possible, but to complicated. to much work for admins if there is tons of non premium acc. try to understand them.

<< Comment #23 @ 06:34 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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adrenal1ne - Reply to #14

i understand just fine :)

<< Comment #38 @ 09:07 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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juM8o - Reply to #10

why cant people wanting to compete buy atleast premium accounts? its fucking 25€ / $ per year which is nothing if you play +10h a week...

<< Comment #124 @ 11:31 CDT, 13 August 2010 >>

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KillaloT - Reply to #38

because i still want to compete, but don't want to pay 25$ per year, as i don't play 10h a week.

<< Comment #201 @ 12:42 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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lithz - Reply to #38

maybe some people cant fucking pay yet jum8o, since sync didnt put a good payment method on??

<< Comment #12 @ 05:49 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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juM8o

remove t7 and add phrantic / hektik, please.

<< Comment #13 @ 05:55 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cerb0z

Why no one want Focal Point? Is it that bad?

<< Comment #16 @ 06:24 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #13

Imo it has a way too simple and primitive layout. Hektik also feels like its way too easy to control if you get hold of the middle. :/

<< Comment #18 @ 06:26 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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therm ' - Reply to #16

yep + focal point looks like a warsow map for me

its not a good duel map

def not good enouh for competition

<< Comment #39 @ 09:09 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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juM8o - Reply to #13

well like already stated, it looks just like a warsow map... it also feels too "simple" and rooms arent connected in a way that you could really surprise your opponent... Also its graphically very dull and ugly..

<< Comment #80 @ 12:59 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #39

Personally I really like that Warzow look of the textures. Not saying all maps should look like that, but I find it kinda cool.

<< Comment #98 @ 16:20 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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juM8o - Reply to #80

well if you use picmip anyway then it just might, but all in all you could stylize this map to be like 50% cooller if you would use proper textures, style and some effects of q3 engine.

<< Comment #150 @ 07:58 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #98

I dont use picmip. I still like the style as it is tho

<< Comment #15 @ 06:07 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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frs

hektik deserves to be tested out aswell

<< Comment #22 @ 06:33 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Moai

good choise

<< Comment #17 @ 06:25 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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therm '

ztn should stay forever as its the best competition map

then we got aerowalk as a classic in your face

t7 cos its new and good

then Battleforged

and hektitk (phrantic is bad for ql + the whole map is too bright imo)

cpma1 was a good map back in the days

i might be wrong cos i was like 10 when played cpma but it seems like everyone forgot about this map and imo its better than hektik

Edited by 7herm at 06:28 CDT, 11 August 2010

<< Comment #21 @ 06:32 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #17

cpm1a was q3jdm8a, best q3 map ever.

<< Comment #25 @ 06:45 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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therm ' - Reply to #21

q3jdm8a this rang a bell! exactly ;)) i remmeber it with old ztnish textures it was trully great map and the main cause for me to stop playing q2dm1 all the time and switch to q3 ;) too bad i stopped very soon id be good now lol

anyways why ppl dont talk about this map? maybe they dont know it? it would be great to c it implemented to ql! its much much better than all those hektiks and shit

Edited by 7herm at 06:45 CDT, 11 August 2010

<< Comment #43 @ 09:39 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #25

Yeah, q3jdm8a was very popular in the q3 community in iceland but never picked up on the "pro circuit". IIRC people thought it was too easy to control both YA's and the shards. I didn't much like cpm1a though, the charm got lost in conversion!

Edited by hnns at 10:04 CDT, 11 August 2010

<< Comment #48 @ 10:00 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #43

it was played in 1 or 2 cpl tournaments back in the days.

<< Comment #19 @ 06:29 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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dansen

FFS PUT IN HEKTIK

<< Comment #24 @ 06:43 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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spEEdbird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsGmGEmnojo

woo!

<< Comment #89 @ 13:57 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #24

lol

<< Comment #26 @ 06:51 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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gyr0

Hektik is a completely brainless rocket only map where a player in control can take every RA and MH without even knowing what timing means.

<< Comment #27 @ 07:32 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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dansen - Reply to #26

you're a completely brainless rocket only map!

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<< Comment #31 @ 08:27 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Roswell47 - Reply to #26

Sounds like someone got owned.

<< Comment #41 @ 09:11 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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juM8o - Reply to #26

rocket only map? what the fuck you are smoking? IMO its very rail hitscan heavy, rail is precious tool...

<< Comment #28 @ 07:33 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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give old hub a chance! good map!

<< Comment #29 @ 07:50 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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ArchaiK

Nice, it's to shake things up a little bit sometimes. I recommend adding and removing a map every now and then to make things more fun.

<< Comment #32 @ 08:35 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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1984

so to watch demos you will need to go pro. smart business move.

<< Comment #37 @ 08:55 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #32

no

<< Comment #40 @ 09:11 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #32

You can watch with standart account ;) (you can play vs bots on "new" maps too).

Edited by chaos.spwnrpd at 09:11 CDT, 11 August 2010

<< Comment #33 @ 08:36 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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mefajpE^

T9 > T7

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<< Comment #157 @ 08:28 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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gauss - Reply to #33

agreed.

<< Comment #35 @ 08:54 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Ryfje

Mappool should be t7, battleforged, hub, phrantic and t9? Maybe..they need new maps tbh, battleforged and t7 ar ethe only "new" maps.

<< Comment #36 @ 08:54 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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f0rk123

I think they should go completly 'new' for a few weeks, most of the top players are away this weekend and the next anyway.

Dismemberment, Battleforged, Hektik, Focal Point, Phrantic/Aerowalk.

Go back to standard map pool in like a month, or keep rotating (even better).

<< Comment #42 @ 09:14 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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PURRI

Hey,

I don't care how you do it. If you decide to have a 7 map pool (to start of with) or just remove dm13/ztn and then add the new maps that are missing. They are VERY playable after my first sessions! Don't randomly decide what new maps to put in or not if you haven't specifically heard that one of the maps is horrible. They are not, just needs to be introduced properly to the community from the start. Your weekly cup is more important than you think to create new opportunities for a new map pool. I hope we will see all new maps at some point in this and future cups.

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<< Comment #44 @ 09:43 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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hnns - Reply to #42

this cup is ideal to take chances and experiment. no sense in the closed mindedness "only use the circuit list" that's been the case so far.

<< Comment #45 @ 09:47 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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PURRI - Reply to #44

I hope they would continue in that way, since they are not currently :)

<< Comment #49 @ 10:10 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Kier - Reply to #42

Might be nicer if they focused on new-new maps instead of new-old maps as well. Obviously it's nice to have old classics like ztn and aerowalk, but imo, that should be it. At least, if they had T7, battleforged and some other non 8-10 year old map like hektik, it might be nice.

I don't see much point in bringing in more new maps to QL that have been played to death in Q3 or Q4 or what have you. Let the newer players actually start on more even terms with the guys who've been playing forever :)

<< Comment #221 @ 02:01 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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latin.lingo - Reply to #42

eh

<< Comment #46 @ 09:52 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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assign

Yee, I just tried Dismemberment and it seems pretty cool. Why not try that one? And as previous speaker we should try more than 2 maps "new" maps and see after 1 month or 2 how ppl like it or not.

<< Comment #50 @ 10:12 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Sora

ZTN / T7 / HUB / BATTLEFORGED / HEKTIK

The perfect map pool for me.

<< Comment #51 @ 10:36 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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ffx

I think regular Cups like Zotac are perfect for experiments such as adding new maps for several reasons.
First of all you have the consistency of high level played games between the european elite which grants tense and good games. For a lot of pros it is practice but in the end you can earn 100€, so players really try to win. Ok, maybe not everyone like av3k :D.
So after a month you recognize trends whether a map is more likely suited for competitively gaming or not. I'm not saying that they should play on maps like t5. Rather add maps like Hektik and Dismemberment which already give a good impression of their possibilities as a decent duel map.
They don't have to change the complete map pool maybe something like that:
- ztn
- t7
- dismemberment
- battleforged
- dm13

and after one or two weeks add those two
- hektik
- aero
and get rid of dm13.

I wouldn't remove ztn because it is such a great map. I would miss it on big tournaments and I like to watch it. Besides strenx most of the pros like it, too, so why should we get rid of it? The main goal should be to have a map pool of 5 to 7 maps which are both fair for the players and watchable for the viewers.
ESl should have a weekly cup like they already had with t4 and try the new maps. Fuck I have so many great ideas, maybe I should charge money for them :/

Edited by ffx at 10:39 CDT, 11 August 2010

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<< Comment #53 @ 10:44 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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frs - Reply to #51

100% agree

<< Comment #76 @ 12:36 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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PURRI - Reply to #51

Don't forget new phrantic. It's actually very nice with the new changes and suits rather well for QL.

Edited by PURRI at 12:37 CDT, 11 August 2010

<< Comment #87 @ 13:53 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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ffx - Reply to #76

Ohh forgot that -.-

<< Comment #52 @ 10:42 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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winz

Btw, can't we get the timelimit back to 15 ffs?

10 is way too short imo.

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<< Comment #56 @ 11:08 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #52

Pls, NO.
Personally i'd like to see even lower timelimit, let's say 7 mins but more maps needed for win.

<< Comment #59 @ 11:30 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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chzzen - Reply to #56

7??? No wai! :O

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winz - Reply to #56

Let's even make it 1minute so the winner is decided by the first spawns.

<< Comment #86 @ 13:52 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #52

i agree

<< Comment #55 @ 10:50 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Anonymous (98.236.27.112)

battleforged is a really boring map and i dont like it at all and i feel like it should be replaced with one of the better maps like phrantic or dismemberment or hektik. i also loved t9 and thought it was one of the better ql maps. i hate t7 but i understand why some people love it. i hate dm13 and always have.

keep ztn because its fantastic and keep aerowalk because its probably my favorite map ever

<< Comment #57 @ 11:10 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #55

You hating all brain maps? I see...

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karizma - Reply to #57

\:D/

<< Comment #61 @ 11:32 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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kevz - Reply to #55

t7 and t9 out, dm13 is a good brain map of wich at least 1 should stay, never seen dismemberment as a good duel map so thats not gonna happen, phrantic... maybe if the item layout works. hektik looks like a rectangle box with some walls in it, can anyone srsly play a good duel in this? havent seen battleforged yet but so far on esr it apears to be 'good' :P

edit, woops Kier, i forgot to mention aerowalk. i do agree with u that its very spectator friendly and it can potentially be a fun map IF the players are even, else itl just turn into a 50-0 fest that honestly nobody likes (well at least i dont). wich also brings me to dm13 beeing great because of the low scoring tight even games that often happen, dm13 simply cant go just yet :)

Edited by kevz at 11:50 CDT, 11 August 2010

<< Comment #62 @ 11:40 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Kier - Reply to #61

We should still keep in mind that spectator friendly maps are a plus. Aerowalk, due to its high pace, is very spectator friendly. T7 has been surprisingly good but it's love/hate with the players. Battleforged, from what I've played so far, can be very trappy and brain heavy with not too much hiding. ZTN is classic, of course. I haven't played Hektik yet so I can't say yet, but it seems to be another fast paced map. T9 is a very easy to understand map which is good for spectating, but I think that it's probably too simple to develope much more in the long term.

DM13, imo, is too slow. It leads too much to 1-0 games, and while that's ok, it shouldn't be the typical scoreline for a spectator friendly map. Just look at ZTN; you can have 1-0 scoreline games but that's not the norm, unlike DM13 these days.

Actually, all this aside, I'm just glad they took out DM6.

<< Comment #58 @ 11:16 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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uPro x1t

quakecon rules the world, fuck it.

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brz - Reply to #58

is your sponsor sending you private jet VIP?

<< Comment #64 @ 11:45 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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occultum

Why are people always complaining.. they remove 3 maps you want to remove the other 2.. cmon just give it a break.

<< Comment #65 @ 11:55 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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j0sh_

The only duel I've seen on battleforge is rapha/dahang from big bang and I really didn't enjoy watching that map. I've heard it called "too big", but I don't know if that's really it. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of it yet.

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Kier - Reply to #65

Give it time. It seems like a map that will really grow with time.

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j0sh_ - Reply to #66

yeah I'll definitely give it time considering the amount of time we all had to watch the same maps over and over and over... waiting for a map to grow on me will be nice for a change

<< Comment #68 @ 12:07 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Kier - Reply to #67

T9 and T7 certainly grew on me. T9 gave us some great games for its short lifespan. I'm sad to see it go, but I also realize that play on it was never really going to evolve much further. :(

<< Comment #69 @ 12:11 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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j0sh_ - Reply to #68

yeah I was ready to see T9 go personally. Like you said it was nice while it lasted, but the possibilities on that map are not at all endless. I like T7 pretty well, I just can't play it! ^_^

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hemostick - Reply to #66

But it's too big already ! :0

<< Comment #77 @ 12:39 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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PURRI - Reply to #65

Took me 3-4 times to play it to realise that it's not that small :) Just give it a few more goes. I got a good feeling about that map and that is not to often it happens to me in modern times of quake!

Edited by PURRI at 12:40 CDT, 11 August 2010

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Kier - Reply to #77

Yeah I have a good feeling about it as well. I've been playing it quite a bit just so I can better enjoy the games at quakecon :)

<< Comment #99 @ 16:34 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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juM8o - Reply to #65

Well for me it looked like RA is too "out of map", I mean its too far away from other items and is hardly fightable without committing, therefore almost all fights come at mega or lower ya..

The position where RA is is good, but it should be moved closer to mega and center of map by like 3-5m. I would also appreciate making it somehow easier to fight for it from lower level, now its completely impossible.

Also like dahang said bars in "windows" or whatever they are SUCK hard, they should remove atleast most of them to make some possiblities for surprises.

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Kier - Reply to #99

One thing that could be done without having to actually edit map geometry for the removal of the bars would be to move RA underneath that little walkway. It's still defensible, but if you want to sit on RA, your opponent can come in from above, and your opponent can put damage on you from the lower side from 2 directions as well.

It'd be a pretty simple item move and would certainly make fighting for RA a possibility without commiting, as you say.

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juM8o - Reply to #101

this in fact sounds good

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jamalz - Reply to #99

I agree, fuck the bars, make the window open so you can jump out or spam a rocket through it, will be great.

<< Comment #71 @ 12:28 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Anonymous (71.251.38.12)

How can anyone like battleforged?

Watched rapha dahang and the rest of them on it and it was the most boring thing I ever watched, the layout is so unintuitive it looks like a kid just strung a bunch of legos and made map without even designing the thing

There are like 10 floors and 10 stairs and a bunch of bar windows, but besides that there's nothing else, it's like a maze

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<< Comment #73 @ 12:29 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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butchji - Reply to #71

Really if someone wants to play if-22 like the map always ends 0-0.

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twister - Reply to #73

a map cant end 0-0

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jamalz - Reply to #75

IF-22 wins 0 - (-1)

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<< Comment #92 @ 14:43 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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butchji - Reply to #78

Bored to death! :>

<< Comment #81 @ 13:05 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Anonymous (217.211.123.13) - Reply to #71

ye, and we've never ever seen a boring ztn game!!1

give the maps some time... no wonder people still play the same handfull of maps since forever in the quake community.

<< Comment #91 @ 14:20 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Magician - Reply to #81

I don't think I have ever seen a non boring ztn game zzzzZZzz,
same with dm13

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<< Comment #93 @ 15:04 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #91

Dm13 is intriguing with comeback possibility. Ztn is too one sided or boring when opponents too equal.

<< Comment #94 @ 15:23 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Kier - Reply to #93

I've never thought of dm13 as a comeback map. Seems too easy to run and hide and too difficult to chase. Care to give any examples of good comeback games on dm13?

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Eviili - Reply to #94

fox-noctis from esl dubai i think

also jibo-cypher from asus should be mentioned...especially cause of that drama! xD

<< Comment #95 @ 15:57 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #93

The best maps for spectators are maps with lots of action. Flick rails/rockets/rocketjumps, these entertain newbs because of the simplicity of these actions.

For people like me, that is mid-level at duel, i can appreciate a good hub game, but I love a good brain game too. Like dm13 with cooller vs rapha or cypher. It really builds tension when you know what the other guy is trying to do, then you switch pov and see his enemy KNOWS what he is trying to do to him and is pulling a reversal.

That shit is $$$$$. Rapha is the best at that. Even on ZTN, it gets really interesting when an aim machine meets up a brain god.

Like toxjq said, you need a map with a lot of possibilities on how to play it, not just easy (dm6) control and just predictable shit.

This is why ZTN is interesting, there are loads of armors and health and corridors, so there are tons of ways to play this map.

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Kier - Reply to #95

You've actually summed up why I think dm13 is bad from a spectator perspective. There's nothing entertaining for new players, and we desperately need new players in QL. Surely we can have maps that appeal, from the spectating point of view, to both. ie. ztn, hub, battleforged (? has potential), and T7. We just need 1 more to round replace dm13 and we're golden.

<< Comment #112 @ 02:20 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #96

I lold on:"battleforge (has potential)" :D
Have you watched rapha vs dahang game? More boring than letting them play on dm1...... I was going to fall asleep. No action at all, spam and running(if you think dm13 is +back/low score, just wait to see battleshit ;) )

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Magician - Reply to #95

All that adding more armor to a map does is restrict the players movement, because they constantly have to be at position x, to pickup armour y.

Also if you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58,
you'll see that there is a lot of high level thinking on what you call a
"easy control and just predictable shit" map like dm6, And this is in addition to being a good spectators map.

And speaking about rapha, I'm sure you think t4 is a "easy control and predictable shit" map too, with only having 2 armors and a simple layout. So why has the arguably smartest player said several times it's his favorite map? Wouldn't it be more likely he would have picked one of your "brain" maps?

Edited by Magician at 05:59 CDT, 12 August 2010

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jamalz - Reply to #119

You don't need to get items to have map control, you just need to do more damage than what the item gives to the enemy and trap them.

As for t4, I never mentioned it as being easy, the lay out of the map is very dangerous, you can get trapped and railed in a lot of weird positions, and since there are ONLY 2 ya's that are very close together, you need to know all angles and how to capture opponents using very nifty tricks.

It's one big fucking trap map, and you know who's the best trap player in the game right?

Also, i won't reply again to stupid comments by newbs that don't understand duel, so gl.

Edited by jamalz at 07:20 CDT, 12 August 2010

<< Comment #121 @ 07:31 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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Magician - Reply to #120

ohhh I'm so honored you replied to me once you grand master.

thank you, thank you.

<< Comment #109 @ 21:41 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #91

Yea, those maps should be removed

<< Comment #111 @ 00:32 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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JoKa - Reply to #91

Non boring ZTN game right here: http://tv.esl.eu/de/#/de/vod/view/21636 (first map)

<< Comment #117 @ 05:33 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #91

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1H8Y5wn6A4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LJOVIXmGRY

yeah the map is so damn boring i wonder why ppl still play it!?
not to mention all those games between keep3r and jibo...

<< Comment #158 @ 08:31 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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gauss - Reply to #91

utter retard if you think there aren't any good games on ztn. like a genuine window licking cretin.

<< Comment #133 @ 06:55 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #71

that map needs a chance like all other new maps. stermy played it extremely well on quakecon, so no point in whining as of yet.

But I suppose u would love dm6 back so your opinion doesn`t matter anyway.

<< Comment #70 @ 12:27 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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lolvc

ztn
dm13
hub
dm6
t7

ty

<< Comment #72 @ 12:29 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #70

oh wait nvc, why are you suggesting maps that you can't actually play whilst the payment system is broken for you?

fucking idiot.

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<< Comment #74 @ 12:29 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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lolvc - Reply to #72

idd, what an idiot.

oh wait

<< Comment #82 @ 13:20 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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dansen - Reply to #74

does it still not work for some people in europe? or is the just the creditcard that is missing?

<< Comment #83 @ 13:32 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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spartaz0rd

battleforged
hektik
t7
aero
t9

Kinda fresh :D

<< Comment #84 @ 13:35 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Dynamix

Do a 7 map pool of ZTN/Hub/Hektik/Phrantic/DM13/T7/BF next week.

<< Comment #85 @ 13:52 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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everkill - Reply to #84

^^ This but maybe T9 instead of DM13. Old maps need to go, at least T9 is new.

<< Comment #88 @ 13:56 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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cerb0z

I wonder if Battleforged will be played even once this Sunday. When T4 was added it was hardly played few first cups but delivered most amazing games later.

<< Comment #97 @ 16:13 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #88

I think that most ppl who would give themselves hardly any chance vs their opponent will pick battleforged....
like some fairly skilled usa player vs rapha = battleforged (I guess)

<< Comment #100 @ 16:42 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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occultum

Yes i can agree.. dm13 is a nice map to play imo.. but its really depressing to watch. it has many cheap spam shots that are very predictable.. and the huge amount of armor and health makes good players stake very easily without taking risks.. its nice to play tho.

Ive walked around battleforged a bit and sincerely i thought the map was very badly designed and i don't see much potential in it.. but let's see i hope im wrong.

<< Comment #135 @ 06:57 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #100

dm13 is nice to watch too. shouldn't be removed.

<< Comment #103 @ 17:15 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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KitesAreFun

1. Take out Lost World.

2. Add Dismemberment, Phrantic or Hectic.

If needed, take out ZTN and add two new maps. Observe what happens and adjust as necessary.

<< Comment #104 @ 17:34 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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G.I. Jonesy

4g is really awesome. Local entrepreneurs will build 4g networks for smaller areas, and then when big companies are ready, they'll just buy the equipment-stuffs. It's a win-win for everyone (other than cable).

I was drinking this thing earlier..... limoncello, citron vodka, and orange juice. It's not too bad. A little sweet maybe.

Praise me, for I am the off-topic champion.

I have no idea what this thread is about.

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<< Comment #107 @ 19:10 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #104

hail to the hypno jonesy

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InDepther - Reply to #104

much better!!

You start to mature as troll.

<< Comment #244 @ 16:18 CDT, 17 August 2010 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #104

it's about limoncello, citron vodka, and orange juice
good job sebulba!

<< Comment #105 @ 18:01 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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zar4

ztn
t9
hektik
hub
dm13

^ BEST, maybe phrantic for dm13 too, but battleforged seems pretty shitty and i can't believe some people prefer t7 over t9

<< Comment #108 @ 21:39 CDT, 11 August 2010 >>

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CAREEM

I don't know why t9 was removed. Most of the Quake Live community love t9.

Dm13 should be out!

<< Comment #113 @ 03:16 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #108

This.

Edit: but id needs to fix respawn system, because sometimes(?) this map becomes spawn-rape.

Edited by kK_Storm at 03:17 CDT, 12 August 2010

<< Comment #122 @ 07:44 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #113

Every map at QL is sometimes spawn rape map. There is nothing to fix if u ask me.

<< Comment #126 @ 04:32 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #108

It was limited. Before it was removed, almost every match was pretty much the same since there wasn't really any other way to play it. Play was just fine tuned to within an inch of it's life that deviating from it basically meant failure.

Don't really want to see more T9. Bit bored of it. Aero is a much better replacement if you consider that it's successor, and if you don't Battleforged is 'new' and more interesting to see how players cope with it

<< Comment #165 @ 09:36 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #108

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1901997

<< Comment #240 @ 08:33 CDT, 17 August 2010 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #165

too bad that there was duel map pool taken from ESR community (q3 players) and not from QL forums... for an example, my fav map and of most of new ql scene fav duel map is t9 (house of decay)

<< Comment #241 @ 08:48 CDT, 17 August 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #240

i hope you are not really saying that the ql forum should decide competitive mappool... (esr doesnt either, it was just a poll)
anyway the poll was about what map is best suited for competitive play. if you like t9, good for you, play it. but if most people agree that it should not be in the competitive mappool, then it probably doesnt belong there.

<< Comment #242 @ 08:53 CDT, 17 August 2010 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #241

Yes, QL forum should decide for competitive playing. ESR is 80% of Q3 community and of course they will vote old maps (dm13...) over new ones (t9 and t7). I will make a vote poll later on QL forum and then we shall see.

<< Comment #243 @ 09:00 CDT, 17 August 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #242

-.-
would rather have 80% q3 players than 80% clueless idiots

im not a big fan of adding q3 maps to the pool myself, but t9 feels already more outplayed than dm13 will ever be...

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<< Comment #110 @ 00:19 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor

About DUEL:

If u (I really never understand who remove/add maps into mappool, plz show me this fuckers) remove dm6 and t4, then remove dm13 and ztn too. It's really weird and unfair. I think fazz hate that fuckers removed t4 without any prerequisites ;)

IMHO 5 completely new maps, or big mappool with maps like OLD HUB and T2. And bring FDE back, Single really sucks!

About TDM:

IMHO in TDM we must have more then 5 maps. ospdm5, cpm4, dm14, dm6, dm20, ospdm6, dm7. + may be 2 good new maps. All TDM tourneys must be bo3 or bo5. And plz NO CA2 THIS TIME! :D

About CTF:

I don't have much experience in CTF, can't judge.

<< Comment #114 @ 04:17 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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frs - Reply to #110

osp5, osp6, cpm4, dm14, dm20, leviathan and purgatory for tdm map pool. anything else is retarded. i havent tested dreadful place yet but if its good it can replace dm14 or dm20, but i heard it wasnt that good :<

group matches bo3/bo5, playoffs bo5, finals bo7 :D

Edited by frs at 04:37 CDT, 12 August 2010

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<< Comment #116 @ 05:30 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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Indeed, but dm6 is still a good TDM map, u just dont like it, cos u play bad on oiit :)

<< Comment #118 @ 05:36 CDT, 12 August 2010 >>

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Magician - Reply to #116

dm6 is a map to make duellers think they are good at tdm, since it requires no teamwork only aim.

Also because it's nearly impossible to get a decent quadrun, there are very few momentum shifts in the game. Which is boring to spectate

Edited by Magician at 05:49 CDT, 12 August 2010

<< Comment #128 @ 05:53 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #118

agreed, out with dm6!

<< Comment #125 @ 11:36 CDT, 14 August 2010 >>

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Teen Queen '

More love for Hektik!

It can be a really interesting map. Focal point is good but just doesn't cut it for competitive play. Hub is also a must imo, intense duels and fun to watch.

Battleforged can be good too, stermy vs dahang wasn't bad at all, players just need to find new fast routes imo

<< Comment #127 @ 05:52 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius

cmon give dismemberment a chance!

<< Comment #129 @ 05:54 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PURRI

Where are the rest of the new maps? :(

<< Comment #131 @ 06:16 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor

MOAR battleshit plz ;)

<< Comment #132 @ 06:49 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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kobe_24

I guess since I slept most of the day, I’m ready to watch some real coverage since I’m already up.

<< Comment #134 @ 06:55 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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daver

Would love to see dm13 swapped for Hektik and ztn for Dismemberment.

<< Comment #136 @ 06:58 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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daver - Reply to #134

It's obviously too late for this cup now (begins in 2 minutes, derp). But would be nice for #46.

<< Comment #138 @ 07:03 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #134

rofl.... ztn to be removed. get a clue.

<< Comment #139 @ 07:05 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #138

what exactly speaks against removing it in order to test the new maps in a competition?

<< Comment #141 @ 07:09 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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daver - Reply to #138

Thank you, sir, for your creative and not at all predictable response. I don't see why it would be a problem to give the fresher maps a go. It's not like you can't put ztn back if they play like shit.

<< Comment #146 @ 07:30 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #141

For testing sure. At least we have enough maps now to do nice rotation. But somehow I thought u were saying ztn is shit and needs to be removed. well, my bad then.

In fact , I'm gonna run some ESH ONW cups soon with all new maps, so I'm not against playing new ones by any means. I actually support it. But for some bigger tournament there has to be some MAIN mappool and only proven maps should be in there. And ztn is definitely one of them.

<< Comment #152 @ 08:03 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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daver - Reply to #146

I agree, which is why I think something like Zotac could be a good platform to try the new maps out.

Edited by daver at 08:04 CDT, 15 August 2010

<< Comment #137 @ 07:02 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar

ztn and t7 best maps in ql. dm13 as well should stay in the mappool.
best to go with 7 maps in the mappool:

ztn
t7
dm13
aero
battleforged
dismemberment
hektik

for the moment.

and later introduce phrantic as the substitute for some other new map.

ztn , t7 and dm13 SHOULDN'T be removed at all.

EDIT: oh and I forgot t4... best map ever xD

Edited by PerpetualWar at 07:19 CDT, 15 August 2010

<< Comment #140 @ 07:06 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PURRI - Reply to #137

+Phrantic -ztn -dm13

Edited by PURRI at 07:08 CDT, 15 August 2010

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<< Comment #143 @ 07:23 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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1ecb61110 - Reply to #140

If we start adding more bland maps, why not add dm17 to it?

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<< Comment #145 @ 07:30 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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fazz - Reply to #140

Really don't agree with this. Phrantic and dismemberment are not suited for high level duel's in any way.

<< Comment #151 @ 08:03 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #145

serious about dismemberment? =(
it got played back in the days at a high level, what's wrong with it?

<< Comment #154 @ 08:13 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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therm ' - Reply to #151

high level got higher

<< Comment #182 @ 11:02 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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fazz - Reply to #151

Why do you think it was removed?

<< Comment #184 @ 11:07 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #182

cuz fatality got owned on it and used his power to get rid of it? =p

<< Comment #160 @ 08:33 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #145

out of curiosity, have you tried the current version with the teleporter down below again?

<< Comment #180 @ 11:02 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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fazz - Reply to #160

If it was changed again after I tried it then no.

<< Comment #142 @ 07:17 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar

Im the only one willing to give a battleforged a chance? doesn`t seem so bad at all.. just takes time to get used to it. At least it needs some time to be decided if its bad... can't believe all these comments about the map they don't even know how to play. give it some time ffs.......

hektik needs a chance as well, seems like a good one but it`s early as of yet (as for battleforged) to be decided if its any good. But should be in the mappool at least in the rotation of the maps.

Dismemberment was nice in Q3, but Im not sure will it become great duel map, those two rooms seems kinda separated a lot in spite of lg teleport, and might slow down the flow of the game imo. But I like the look of it. Anyway needs a chance too to be seen if its any good also in the rotation.

Phrantic, well probably worst of those mentioned above but maybe Im wrong. Needs to be in rotation.

aero is classic and proven to be awesome for duels before so should be in the main mappool.

Focal point seems like shit. and textures are awful. Seems worst of them all..

<< Comment #144 @ 07:29 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #142

you are being extremly two faced, first you laugh in peoples faces for wanting to remove ztn for a new map(which i personally think would be a good idea), then you blame people for not liking battleforged?

-ztn +phrantic \o/

<< Comment #147 @ 07:34 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #144

ye I can be like that I suppose xD

well ztn should always be, at least in the rotation, so no excluded altogether imo. And I`m definitely for trying out all new maps in some cups (except maybe focal point but Im not sure about that).

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1939917#pid1939917

Edited by PerpetualWar at 07:35 CDT, 15 August 2010

<< Comment #148 @ 07:41 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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rareh

I think battleforged is a great map. Aerowalk is just horrible even worse then t7, which says alot.
Oh and also why drop dm6 and t9? They are amazing maps. Drop t7(one of the worst maps) instead and only 1 experimental map at a time.

<< Comment #149 @ 07:57 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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ffx - Reply to #148

Why don't you just stfu? Where is t7 bad? Even Cooller delivered on it yesterday and we saw a lot of close and great matches on it. You just don't like it and therefore it has to go right?
I mean I literally pissed my pants after I have watched stermy's dm13 yesterday. I never have seen any play like this on it and it was really fun to watch. I'm a dm13 hater in case you didn't know ;)
And to say that aerowalk sucks you must be either a troll or suffer from a mentally illness.

<< Comment #153 @ 08:04 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #149

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!UUU!!!
I need the demos/vods even faster now!!

<< Comment #155 @ 08:13 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #153

ye, me too :/

<< Comment #156 @ 08:17 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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ffx - Reply to #153

Yeah you missed quite a lot of good games :P
You can watch every game from round 4 up and round 5 lb without getting bored :=)

<< Comment #159 @ 08:33 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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rareh - Reply to #149

I agree dm13 is an awesome map probably my favourite tied with dm6, ztn is also very good.
Anyway to the point about shitty aerowalk and t7.
I will start with aerowalk.
-Too small and badly structured
-Can't surprise opponent(consequence of the previous one)
-Rail fest
-Requires 0 brain it is all about aim and dodging, very fast paced favours agressive style ALOT, not saying its impossible to play defensive, but very hard in this map. Where like in dm13 or dm6 1 minute its defensive next minute its aggresive. Aerowalk lacks that dynamicism(don't know if word exists =P )

T7
-An excess of "vertical" fights.
-This map favours running away ALOT due to its structure
-A rail fest also(fazz vs stermy anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB1OQkyNlkE )

Its just fact and anyone that thinks diferently is either troll or suffer from a mental illness.

<< Comment #161 @ 08:36 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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becks - Reply to #159

so for one map you criticize that it's very aggressive and very hard to play defensive and for the other it's bad that running away is so easy.

ok.

<< Comment #162 @ 08:39 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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therm ' - Reply to #159

Edited by 7herm at 08:39 CDT, 15 August 2010

<< Comment #163 @ 09:19 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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noctis - Reply to #159

-Can't surprise opponent(consequence of the previous one)

this is where the teleporters come in and play a huge role, so thats not true at all.

(now on the other hand, imagine aerowalk without any teleporters and you get battleforged :<)

<< Comment #164 @ 09:23 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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mental - Reply to #159

Your perfect map would be what then, text_bigbox?

<< Comment #166 @ 09:44 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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therm '

why is avek insulting guard?

<< Comment #168 @ 09:47 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #166

cos Guard said sossi when he killed avek with lg at lg. He started it :D

<< Comment #170 @ 09:55 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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therm ' - Reply to #168

that was right after avek said to guard something with a word kurwa too bad hes so dumb im not quite sure what he meant exactly

and now hes talking something about guard beein called a dog lol

avek is fucking sad

<< Comment #173 @ 09:56 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #170

both disqualified :D

<< Comment #176 @ 10:03 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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chzzen - Reply to #170

in the match guard was using kurwa first

anyway, good decision by vash.

<< Comment #193 @ 11:32 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Bloodpa1nt - Reply to #170

It's you who is dumb here. I know Avek personally and he's rather smart.

<< Comment #198 @ 12:03 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #193

isnt worth much when he still acts stupid ;)

<< Comment #202 @ 12:44 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Bloodpa1nt - Reply to #198

He just goes mad easily. Doesn't mean he's stupid.

<< Comment #204 @ 13:09 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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daver - Reply to #202

isnt worth much when he still acts stupid ;)

<< Comment #205 @ 13:26 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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twister - Reply to #202

intelligent =! smart

<< Comment #206 @ 13:30 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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therm ' - Reply to #193

Rather smart

Yes

<< Comment #167 @ 09:47 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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terrorhead

LMAO@Guard. This kid will get kicked from the tournament.

Edited by terrorhead at 09:50 CDT, 15 August 2010

<< Comment #169 @ 09:52 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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eMERPUs

SeriousTV :: #srs :: coverage of the ZOTAC Cup #45 :: http://www.own3d.tv/live/144 (No shoutcast)

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<< Comment #171 @ 09:56 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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terrorhead

Typical Eastern Euros lol.

<< Comment #209 @ 14:15 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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veed - Reply to #171

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe

you don't have geography in schools in australia?

<< Comment #211 @ 14:17 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #209

So I'm from Central Europe. I don't think so. Wiki is wrong.

<< Comment #212 @ 15:01 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #209

damn, i was thought differently in school :P

<< Comment #214 @ 16:55 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Bloodpa1nt - Reply to #212

Taught?

<< Comment #215 @ 17:27 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #214

well spotted sir,..i often make that mistake :>

<< Comment #228 @ 06:38 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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hemostick - Reply to #214

That's the point ;)

<< Comment #219 @ 00:49 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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Mocie - Reply to #209

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe

<< Comment #232 @ 13:00 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #209

BTW I finished school in Croatia. Nice try tho.

<< Comment #172 @ 09:56 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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tyas

Hahaha fail

<< Comment #174 @ 09:57 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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daver

vash 1 - avek and guard 0.

<< Comment #175 @ 09:58 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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ffx

Owned by admin. Good decision by vash but I bet there will be some av3k fanboys Q.Q about it and say "mimimi guard started it"

<< Comment #179 @ 10:54 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #175

Fuck em, they can both SOSI.

<< Comment #177 @ 10:50 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Weird '

feedback ppl?
I was a bit tired though during this.... stayed up too late to watch cooller vs cypher (wasn't a bad decision though!!). So soz for that but still good learning opportunity I'd say :>

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<< Comment #181 @ 11:02 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #177

Fuck the two bozo brothers talking shit.

I think your doing a fine job, and it's nice that the scouser (whatever his name is) has calmed down a bit and found a good level at which to cast. He is obviously good at the logistical and cast controlling side of things and that leaves you to commentate on the games in hand.

On a side note, it's also nice that 2gd has stopped (mostly) trying to be the smart arse. He actually sounds quite the pro with Joe.

Dunno why but the casting on all fronts has really stepped up a notch in recent weeks. GJ all

P.s Cooller you bastard!!!

Edited by fur*q at 11:03 CDT, 15 August 2010

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Gladius - Reply to #177

I really enjoy your casting. It's probably not your nature to get all excited about nice frags, but I don't really mind that tbh.

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Weird ' - Reply to #183

haha well I do go like WTF behind my pc... but I fail to talk it through that fast.... I think you really have to be a native english speaker for that or just have a lot of experience or smth.... Dunno why but I don't find myself comfortable enough / fast enough with finding the words etc in those situations. :)

<< Comment #187 @ 11:17 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #185

it surely aint your english skills, you're really fluent. you don't need much words to express amazement: ''wow', 'aah', 'ooh' =p

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Weird ' - Reply to #187

ye but part of that is cuz I have a bit of time to translate what I'm gonna do.... like tactically there are no big turning points which happen in a split second. But when someone dodges towards a strange side and the nmy misses a rocket... that all happens within like 120 ms.... and then even though I see it I can't come up with words fast enough to describe it...
The tactical stuff I come up with a lot just during play in between items, so usualy I have like 1 to 5 secs to make my remark before anything else important happens which can change it.

<< Comment #194 @ 11:41 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #191

What he means is that you may simply express personal feelings where they come by. Like, when seeing a move that you instantly feel is great, just saying "wow, that's a rare move I didn't really expect here" or similar. And maybe afterwards, when there's time, explain why exactly you thought that move was great.

<< Comment #197 @ 11:58 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #194

"wow, that's a rare move I didn't really expect here"
haha, that's as far enthusiasm goes for you? =)

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weltschmerz - Reply to #197

Well, you wouldn't start audibly fapping on a stream minors might be listening to, would you? ;)

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fur*q - Reply to #191

It just means you choose the the most important parts to comment on and leave out all the filler, something 2gd is still working on.

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weltschmerz - Reply to #183

Man. I'm always deeply grateful over somebody not trying to sell excitement and emotions. Some sober analysis, background info and skilled player perspective is just so much more appreciated.

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<< Comment #188 @ 11:19 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #186

I think it should be possible to combine both.

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weltschmerz - Reply to #188

Sure. But the latter should be the starting point. Once comfortable with that, the former will come all by itself in *appropriate* measure. That's a key point.

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Gladius - Reply to #189

tru tru

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juM8o - Reply to #177

you seem too "shy" to me, you should express your feelings better and also try to speak with a more stronger voice. Your english could also be a bit better, as now you seem to have a bit of cooller syndrome as you cant find the right words to describe things you want. If I should imagine the guy behind that voice I would propably think that he would be "nerdy", introverted and low on self-esteem.

ps. I dont try to offend you in anyway, thats just how i felt when I heard you talking on the stream.

psps. the other guy on the stream sounded like he would have a lot potential tho! who is he?

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Weird ' - Reply to #208

the other guy was for3cast.... he's been casting for ages ;)
I however have been casting for 3 - 4 weeks now so I'm not as relaxed with everything yet :>

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exelf - Reply to #177

Your cast is good, keep it up.

<< Comment #231 @ 09:56 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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chzzen - Reply to #177

Liked your introduction of aero and bf pretty much - would love to hear some further lessons on phrantic and other new maps eventhough they are not played officially yet :)

(yerr, i know phrantic and couldnt remember any of the other new maps - still nice to get a free lesson - better than paying for it eh :d)

<< Comment #238 @ 08:13 CDT, 17 August 2010 >>

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dansen - Reply to #177

here's your feedback!!!

<< Comment #178 @ 10:52 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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Mou7on

What happened ? :)

<< Comment #196 @ 11:55 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #178

Admin sent them to bed without there shoes!!!

Edited by fur*q at 11:56 CDT, 15 August 2010

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Shardik

Good decision by admin.

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brumu - Reply to #192

shit decision, no dram = no fun, also no av3k vs k1llsen, its only a good decision coz you're a nerd :)

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Bloodpa1nt - Reply to #200

"ZTNTOURNEY1 FOREVER. This map kicks ass, you can play it all rush (cypher) or all camp (if.22) or all traps (rapha) or all brain (cooller) or all aim (toxjq)"

(c) Jamalz

"or all ragequit (brumu)"

(c) ScarletJohansonsFather

Raped, is it?

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<< Comment #207 @ 13:37 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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vedic

Grats on no longer filling a 64 grid.

<< Comment #210 @ 14:17 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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veed

wth happend?

<< Comment #216 @ 17:51 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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KitesAreFun

Add Hectic and drop Lost World.

<< Comment #224 @ 03:29 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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Kwibus - Reply to #216

Lost World delivered big time at Quakecon.

<< Comment #217 @ 17:51 CDT, 15 August 2010 >>

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KitesAreFun

Add Phrantic and drop ZTN (shock horror)

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pks

If any map should be replaced it would be battleforged, with either hektik or t9.

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Legie

I would like to see this:

DUEL

5 maps:
1) aerowalk
2) furious heights/phrnatic
3) pukk3tourney2
4) bloodrun (ztn3t1)
5) lost word (dm13)

7 maps (dont like this system):
1) aerowalk
2) furious heights (t7)
3) phrnatic
4) pukk3tourney2
5) hektik
6) bloodrun (ztn3t1)
7) lost world (dm13)

TDM

7 maps:
1) cpm4
2) ospdm5
3) ospdm6
4) dm14
5) dm7
6) qzdm20
7) qzdm6

* dont know name of maps in QL :)

CTF

7 maps:
1) Ironworks ( qzctf7 )
2) Japanese Castles
3) remake of q3wcp9
4) Troubled Water ( qzctf2 )
5) Siberia ( qzctf8 )
6) Stonekeep
7) Shining Forces

edit: i pasted some wrong maps earlier

Edited by Legie at 05:32 CDT, 16 August 2010

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GUArd - Reply to #220

no chance. atm most maps going to be AIM maps. QL is not about aim.
battle forgged aim (becose you can get easy stuff and go round and round , until critical fights), aero aim, t7 need good rail.

ztn and dm13 must stay until SUPER good map for brains.

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<< Comment #226 @ 04:07 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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Legie - Reply to #225

ye there was mistake

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rareh - Reply to #225

Agreed, dm6 is also brain map.
Example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58
Those 3 maps should never be dropped.
Cycle the other 2.

<< Comment #233 @ 17:34 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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kevz - Reply to #220

drop dm6 and dm20 from ur tdm list imo :P

actually, theyre all old maps, get smt fresh in there :/

Edited by kevz at 17:35 CDT, 16 August 2010

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lolvc - Reply to #233

dm20 is good, people that can't hit +35mg usually hate it though

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kevz - Reply to #234

good as in people finally learned how to play tdm on it, or good as in its different because its ffa instead of tdm? oO

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lolvc - Reply to #235

There are defined tactics to it. You aim to hold the yellow armor room, if you don't have it you push in when they drop to mega, or you push in after the quad, going for mega is a big decision, you either go for it or you give it away for free incase you'll take too much damage

You can steal red and hold rail for the entire game if you're clever about it (see juven1le play pcw's)

You need to get to quad early most of the time, but you can rocket jump up and be lucky as fuck about it, you aim to stack the yellow player

Yes you could play mindlessly, but most teams have understood the map for a long time now - but i would say it does just heavily benefit those who aim better than others, which is why i beleive it gets alot of hate. (not that you can't aim, i'm just generalising "most" of the hate).

<< Comment #227 @ 06:27 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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caesar_

drop dm13

add nodm9

<< Comment #229 @ 07:12 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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exelf

I'd love to see how hektik is played, but actually I dislike one thing in this map very much - the mh room. It's so hard to get in there without any damage, and if you stuck there and your opponent has rockets - you will be dead for sure. There is no way to escape from there alive in this case. Which is not good imo.
BattleForged is big boring pieace of bullshit. It reminds me ca2 on the previous qcon. It doesn't FIT to the 1v1 game mode. At all.

<< Comment #236 @ 21:38 CDT, 16 August 2010 >>

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KitesAreFun

Fuck it. Add all new maps. Pull out all old ones. Hub can stay for now. Phrantic should be considered "new", given the rail and other modifications.

<< Comment #237 @ 04:41 CDT, 17 August 2010 >>

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benjaminauer

too much drama,
i mostly read like, i havent played/seen this or that map often yet, but from what i heard its olololo blablabla blehhhh duuurrr

just stfu

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baron Railgun :

I'd say use all maps
and randomize the maps several times before every match until both players agree on the mappool -I'd like to see guard vs noctis going for that random maps cycle 100 times or never agreeing (maximum 10 tries doh)