LIES

PMX will be the best game, that nobody plays :(

????????

Why spoil spoiler? Why leak leaker? WHY CHEAT CHEATER?

why rage rager? why troll troller?

I'm unrageable and I never troll. Good try though.

Finnish and you don't troll???... lies.

Not that I want to dissapoint you, but dm6 and ztn can only be there during the test stages ;)

I'm glad to hear some news about PMX, the silence was so deep that I thought the project was abandoned.

why? copyright on map layouts?

exactly.

what about the ut versions of q3dm6? they are/were even used in tournaments.

user made maps where id software didnt care about, but yeah, if they would have been as greedy as some other companies, they could have sued them.

It's not the same a user made map than a map included with a game, no matter how free or amateur the game itself is. A user made map is something (most) companies consider not worth to sue, although I've seen some cases of "cease and desist" from Epic Games. Anyway, you shouldn't be worried. They can't include those maps in the game, but nothing stops server admins or users to put them on the servers.

silence > lies :D

pmx isn't a good name

Still better than PMS

idd X scores more than S at scrabbles ; but still same shit, unpronounceable and ugly

isn't pms a gamer girl clan btw ?
edit : it is http://www.myspace.com/quakepms

Yeah, it just failed horribly for BMX. Think of a better name and perhaps we'll use it, PMX seems fine so far, you don't pronounce it, you say the letters.

since when are you involved again?

difficult to think of a name for something I've no clue about (maybe my bad, havn't much followed news about it)
what about "cheese n'skate" ? see, not working
I'll presume pmx is a quake clone, what about "boing-boing-boom-arg" ?

or at least make it pronoucable
pmx goes for promod x I guess, ok call it POMOX. hell, what. a. good. name. well at least it's funny, easy to pronouce and easy to remember, and has a little radioactive potatoes flavor

I remember having this very same discussion with ix once. Even the same reply :)

People always get stuck at 'think of a better name'. :P

well, it's not like I'm really motivated to do so ; just wanted to share my opinion about the actual name : it suckz

http://www.digital-eel.com/blog/qlng.htm
:P

It's better as just letters than a nonsense word.

I thought it was ProMode eXperimental or ProMode eXtreme!?

Better yet, ProMode eXtra virgin olive oil.

"experimental". the EVOO version, endorsed by rachel ray, comes later. :P

pmx was stonewalled for months by a specific core piece of the gameplay that i consistently rejected because imo it simply wasn't good enough. that's finally making progress, and afaik there are no more major roadblocks ahead there.

i have no idea when there'll be a public release, and like ix says, there's no point hyping it up until that's ready to happen - but yeah, there's Much Stuff happening with it quietly.

way to hype!

I bet arquorn is happy that the beta is being given out to staples of the community ;)

link?

link?

kink?

kinky link?
Oh wait..

screens?
description? (quake clone? for example same weapons)
links?
netcode working properly? (otherwise it will be a new pk)

I don't have any hopes on new "fast" fps games really, because qlive has a big advantage that they won't get even if they are done properly: people are playing it, and you meet again with old school guys because it's incredible easy to start playing it.

For example wsw 0.2 was a great game but it was not played massively and it had no big tournaments, coverage (in which qlive is awesome), etc. Then it turned worse and worse and worse to the point that it's considered dead by the remaining community (just look http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=9701, or closed topics on their forum). This happened because qlive turned open beta, wsw 0.5 delayed for lots of months (I think it was more than a year actually, or were it two?) and gameplay-wise you have to hit 5 rockets to get 1 kill (or a million railgun shots) because jal likes low-scoring games. Even if most people don't dig cyberpunk theme, terrible sounds and wheat's announcer voice all that was on 0.2 and there were people playing it.
(whine complain groan meh)

Well, that depends how different is it from the old dm games. If it's gonna be yet another variation of Quake, as the rest are, then I'm with you. A waste of time. Ix has said they want to do something different with PMX, tho, and that's why I'm still interested in seeing it.

It's still going, when it's nearly done we'll hype it, until then there is no point.

can we have some infos about the gameplay plllllssssssss ? :D

Sure.

Obviously you're aware of the similarities between the first person shooter gameplay known as "VQ3" and the turn based strategy game known as "chess". Anyway, PMX is basically like "Go" by which I mean "it has more strategy" because I read somewhere that Go has more strategy than chess actually?

how is it in comparison to tennis?

I heard computer games can best be compared to tennis.

Well it's sorta like go mixed with tennis and you now how in go the horsie moves in a luh shape? well they don't do that in PMX but the rocket launcher is kinda like a tennis 'bat' (as they're professionally known) and when you're shooting rockets back and forth that's a bit like tennis vote BNP

plused for bnp

to it's basically the same as extreme indoor checkers?

umm hadouken

Last thing I'd ask for is hype ;)

But some notice of being still worked out would be nice. Just what you just did, no more :)

screenies or gtfo.
being serious tho, the community doesnt actually have an idea of what PMX is, how is the gameplay, what are the improvements compared to CPMA, and in what way we could help you.
it would be much better if u took the path that cspromod is taking now, by having a website with news about the mod with screenshots, videos etc, developer logs, a twitter for quick updates of ur work and a forum for people to discuss/brainstorm/suggest anything related to the mod, like gametypes or new features.

lol, cspromod is still being developed, I didn't expect that.

A new iteration of Promode gameplay with standalone assets. It wont blow your socks off but it will be good and it's not ready for hype or feedback, when it is we will be inviting people to help test it.

Dev blog: discussed methods of non-linear deceleration and how to improve some movement corner cases we don't like.

Not very exciting. :P

Edit: awesome new texture artist joined the team, that is a little more exciting.

has it change much since the version i tested?

Yeah a fair bit.

Do you guys need low-skilled beta testers, to check how it works on all levels? :)

When the time comes. =)

BUT I WANT IT NAOW :(

I'd rather have them pretty much finish the game before the nutjobs from the community get to spam the idiot suggestion posts and get everyone worked up and raged (note: ix aboard). :>

devs with clue + testers with clue > raged devs + random nuts spamming forums with useless/half-done ideas

you could have just said pmx > quakelive

devs with clue + testers with clue > raged devs + random nuts spamming forums with useless/half-done ideas > no devs

?

pmx > quakelive > ?

Atm moment I'd give quakelive 1 or 2 tinkerers at best. no devs.

Cause as far as I can tell (through not playing atm :P) they are not really "developing" at this time. Maybe when rage is done ...

having a bit more insight than you probably, i'd say they are doing enough stuff to be called developers (its a close call tho ;p)

I stand corrected :]

watch out, tourist will link to this post frequently

maybe, but he probably already has five posts like this in his database,

gimme that betaaa

/me wants :(

.

What is pmx? :<

A standalone game with a evolutionary version of promode gameplay.

wont :(

Lulz

any news on this?

perhaps some pmx screenshots for xmas?

sick hype considering no links / screens / anyone know anything about it :P

IS CUNT GAME FOR JERKS

arqon is just trolling you.. there is nothing out there

all there is sea and birds and fish.

where is the promode site / the promode forums? promode.org redirects to chtv

Bump!

It died, arQon disappeared off the face of the earth without any obvious trigger, taking the code with him.

he got married? :P

So instead can we get cpm in ql? Need something to bring life back into the community. It worked for vq3 so maybe it will do the same for cpm.

That's up to id, I have no objection to them including CPM gameplay as long as they do it properly, which includes things like stepup rules etc, not just the weapon damage values.

sad to hear, was really curious about the project :(

he got id software money and went in some tropical country drinking mojitos at the beach

any indication that he is even alive? kinda odd for him to just up and vanish like that..

He popped up again very briefly so I think he's fine but that's as much as I know.

Could always stalk him...

Where you in some development team with him?

He must be a nice guy since he didn't gave you any info what so ever

arqon has always been a lone soldier.. he had a childhood of abuse physical and mental. Guy just never sits well with others.

that would explain a lot. Still did he do all the coding?

i would guess he did 90% and maybe supervised a few others doing bits. But he did say it was just a fun project at first (think this is right).. nothing majorly serious.. speak with ix he knows more.

what's pmx?

Either Premenstrual Extreme or Promode Extreme i'm guessing

ty

*Experimental

Shit, I didn't read this thread before and I was like reading till first arQon's post and then looked at the date of the post.. :l fuck you guys

Same :/

Am wait for release date for 5 years now((((

Did it died?????????????????????????????????

u hating on reflex devs?

U R INFIDEL I NUKE NOW

it's just around the corner, with Severity and Reborn

reflex is the new pmx

reflex is the new Duke Nukem Forever

no, that's reborn.

stfu

Did you click it?

I didn't.

i clicked it, then immediately shut down my computer and went outside

>Reflex as a concept is what, over 10 years old by now? Same developers, third exact same project worked on by them without a definitive release as of yet (CPMA, PMX, Reflex); the same that happened with DNF.

Yes, because it has always been hidden by Q3, it looks like q3, it has the weapons q3 has, the models, the maps, etc... But now it is a completely different thing, Reflex is a title of its own, not a mod. As a concept it plays quite well in my opinion... You don't have to hate a gameplay you don't understand, just say it's not for you.

reflex coder works full time on this and has shown incredible skills and problem solving. Thanks to this things will materialize slowly. They have a solid team despite being 3 guys + random freelancers... do you have any idea of what that means?

However, i indeed think kickstarter was shit for reflex but also nobody expected them to reach 80k AUD. Your words would be different if their limit was 80k and they were preparing a better Early Access. Did not happen, too bad, one month later you could install reflex in steam (What warsow promised for like quite a while). Does anyone know the total number of sold copies? I think we'd be surprised.

Besides, being a quake lover, you must be really stupid to hate a game like this one. I know it's biased because if it wasn't linked to cpm anyhow you'd be in love with it. Do you think Reborn is going to be VQ3? The spiritual successor if anything like 2GD loves to call his game...

I just hope both projects go ahead because quakelive, warsow, qw, cpm, xonotic, etc... are outdated games with hardcore communities leaving no room for new blood, this is the only mindset anyone in this forum should get. I dont care newborn or 2gd get to make their game, i just want a new game for this genre because it deserves to be on the esport scene, there's just so much history behind it to just dissapear with bethesda's quake. So sad.

The good thing about having two similar projects is that there's gonna be competition between the two, want it or not. It creates will power to make things better and eventually both products gonna be more polished from pushing each other; ronaldo and messi wouldn't score more than 50 goals each season if one of them did not exist. Competition makes humans get better at things.

rofl, you actually took the time to read through his bullshit.

i also expect the same from him, i enjoy talking to people who dont share my views too

be aware though, he's frequently losing it when it comes to reborn. i still haven't figured out why :f

In the end my rant is about that most people here don't see reflex in perspective, including long development times (reflex will at least take from 2012 to 2018 to be in a state that can be considered a complete game), that those three devs failed to complete two previous projects very much related to this one (over a decade so far), that cpm gameplay is not appealing to the masses so reflex will be just a niche within a niche (no official presence in a single major lan and will be hard to find public matches with players of the same skill level) and that there's many other upcoming games. The same support from a vocal minority happened with warsow and I think the same reflex will end up with the same result: nothing worth even mentioning.

About the alleged support from the community, steamcharts doesn't lie when it comes to steam exclusive games. Yes it doesn't say the total amount of purchases, but it does say the peak amount of players it gets a day is around 30, which is nothing, and the graph shows a steady decline.

What I like about reborn are the focus on planning before acting, with the lack of planning being the reason why reflex struggles with funding, and that it will not be another quake clone, since every single one has failed so it's rather naive to think another attempt will succeed and also that to me a "new" game has to have new gameplay instead of copying something existing. If the final version of reflex still has its current 100% cpm gameplay then it won't be a new game.

try and play the game,
I played some duels already and had a lot of fun,
so far I have not experienced any bugs and the game REALLY IS WHAT QUAKE WAS MEANT TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For me after Quakeworld and Quake 2, Quake was always a deception it still had the flair, but it lacked here and there the right ingredients to make the game really cool ... Reflex has it all! Reflex is the true successor of Quake and brings deathmatch to its finest ...
Thumbs up to the Reflex Developers!!!
I hope many people will catch on the Reflex train, because it is the only game that is really hardcore and not dumbed down ... there is so much joy in it, there is a reason chess is regarded much higher than checkers for example, its just the depth and complexity, the possibility to develop real skill, to expand your mind in so many ways!
I dont care what the current market wants, I mean isnt a fps not already too complex for most people, they need some scripted movie with some dumbed down 3rd person shooting action scenes in between like in GTA or just look at all these scripted dumbed down shitgames out there for mobile or the wow/diablo clones out there ... if this is what the youth wants, i.e. grinding/buying fakeskills in F2P games and lose many IQ points on the way ... let them do so ... I prefer to develop real skill facing opponents on equal grounds, because this is the real thing!

EDIT: And the game is fully playable already, there are many different maps, you can play duel, ffa, arena already ... maybe the community features around it and a better GUI still lack but the core is there, you can fully play the game

CPM is superior in every way, including amount of players.

nah

nah

nope

I will have to agree with this except for the Reborn support, I don't know anything about it.

I don't see any future in Reflex, at least not from what I've seen so far. I don't see any future for the genre to be honest. I don't see anything that could truly revitalize the scene.

Reflex basically has players hyped over a couple of fancy features, shinier graphics, old game-play which is still fundamentally outdated for the average consumer out there. The Reflex train came and it will also go away if it is not going to show some serious innovations, otherwise it's not even going to be able to compete with the rest of clones. Alpha stage or not, optimism is not enough to produce success, nor I think it's wise to put so much faith in such a long shot.

Reflex could get more money if they were black
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michiga.../22956627/

I was 12 in 2009 and what is this?