:(

you should try playing something that's actually fun and not a chore

Like Warsow?

I feel ya, bro. But I'll never give up. NEVER!

so what did you change in order to drop 250 elo?
Started playing Daddy05 like I did (to drop 500 elo or smth)? :D

Well, part of it was finals week. Then I took a vacation and didn't play at all. Then I come back and my audio is messed up. Also, inconsistent sleep schedule and not enough sleep in general.

But it shouldn't matter. After so many duels I should be dropping down to 1600 elo after a string of unfortunate events, not 1300.

most important in quake (give or take a bit) is the choices you make.
When tired do you ever think "fuck it I'll win this fight" and just go in? While in normal mode you hardly ever think that? (or perhaps the other way around)

That's usually it for me... like atm my elo is probably around 1650 or something.... But when I really wanna win.... I'll give them a really good game ;)
But I just don't really care so much anymore... my competitive times have are long gone due to several reasons :p

Weird post talking about himself plussed by wem420. Another day on esr.

obi, when you give criticism / advice to someone else...
It's always nice (for the one on the receiving end) to "make it seem as if it is a very normal thing" I do that by saying that I have the same mindset issue.

That wem always plusses me.... I dunno what his issue is.... I explained some stuff to him a long time ago... now he seems like he's my one and only fan :(

That I include the last line on there is just because otherwise you would come in and write it yourself... and I don't wanna give you the satisfaction of insulting me...
Seems like you found another way to do that though...

Obi whining at Weird who is genuinely trying to help other people... Another day on esr.

Yeah I just respect the shit outta weirds mind. One of the most potential mentally of people ever.

I got probs, but plussin weirds not one of them :)

One of the most potential mentally of people ever.

I have never seen such mentally potential in anyone, ever.

Your aim is probably shit, your movement could probably improve, your timing is probably poor, your decision making, and positional play could use an overhaul... but all of this can be improved, it just requires a focused plan, and you'll need to tackle one thing at a time.

Maybe just focus on vq3 defrag (Race in QL?) for a few months, improve your general movement techniques, full strafe, half-beats, circle jumps, rocket jumps, nade jumps, plasma climbs, correctly moving around corners, etc... then move on to to the next thing.

For timing, make some a sheet of all pickup times, and the corresponding time for YA/RA, and MH (flash cards are helpful) so that when you pickup an item at @ X:25, you only see X:50 (the next item time), and learn to play between these times. You have to reach a point where you stop calculating altogether when it comes to item timing, and just recognize the patterns so that you stop wasting time e.g. you pick up RA @X:13.. you're doing the math, and jumping at the same time, even if its for two, three, four seconds, you've weakened your ability to sense your enemies location, maybe you don't hear a sound cue, or miss a visual cue.

Once your movement, and timing are on par with the best -- or close to, which I think any player can achieve, you start playing X amount of games per day, and reviewing your best game, and worst game, trying to figure out why you started losing, what were poor decisions, what were good decisions; with the item timers on, you'll be have a better sense of how you SHOULD have moved around the map.

For your aim, play some CA to warm-up, but play super aggressive, don't play passive, constantly look for very low % shots. Going into a CA server and playing passively can make you think you have good aim ("Oh shit I'm hitting 60% RAIL IM SO CA$H") but in reality, the likelihood of missing those shots were very low... Otherwise play CTF, or TDM, and place yourself in a punishing role where you have to do massive amounts of damage (e.g. secondary attacker, support players in general are expected to do a lot, without very much).

In general this should help your aim, and game, will likely net you a 2K+ ELO but it requires dedication, and you have to ask yourself if it's at all worth it? You've played 2, 700 duels, but you haven't really trained at all.

Some helpful things. Thanks.

take a break. come back and you'll see things from a different perspective. could also be a personality thing, ego or whatever, idk

hey ephemix, let's play tf2.

I just started playing that game since quake in NA is completely dead.
it is actually faster than quake if you choose scout class, and has way more players.
you dont have to spend 30min - 1 hour to find a dueler.

let me know your steam account

Playing TF2 to scratch your Quake itch is like giving an crackhead some sugar to smoke.

i agree, I will not leave this game if there are enough players because this is the best game in the world.
but in north america it is really dead.

at 9 or 10pm there are usually only 2 or 3 duel servers.
right now it is 6:30pm, and only 2 duel servers with actual players.

it is hard to find a good practice opponent whose level is similar to yours.
it is even worse if you live west.
playing with 70+- ping can be the only option you have a lot of the time.

i am so sad and i still hope it will get better.

You think you have it bad??? Try playing in any region other than NA or Europe. I sometimes wait an hour in empty servers looking for a duel opponent in Aus at peak hours, usually I give up after about 20 mins.

this game has ups and downs man, you have to just ride the wave. when you notice yourself dropping alot try to just focus on one core element of your game that you would like to improve, that way even if all your games are going bad you feel like you are doing something productive. Also important to remember ELO doesn't reflect your (or anyones) true skill =)

edit: breaks from quake are 100% necessary.

YOU SUCK

what a lil bitch. why even post that? or is that some inside joke with you and Eph?

YOU SUCK

so it's because you're a dick AND a simpleton. i believe it is you, sir, that sucks.

LOL YOU BLOW

OMG STFU FEGET

switch from bones to xaero

ya funny. interesting if he palys with bones. if so i wonder why? can't hear shit. may as well play with keel.

I don't and have never played with bones. I don't know why it shows up that I use bones.

You don't eat properly.

honestly rail whore + slow rocket play alot, at first you'll lose but as you learn to aim you'll start keeping people at bay. I'd strongly recommend you play in your neck of the ELO woods, don't try to play guys that are 1600+. just gonna be too good at attacking for you to effectively learn defensive play. slow rocket play includes alot of spam. you want to learn how to do as much free damage as possible. anything that can lower stack before a face to face confrontation is something that is invaluable to you, it'll let you dictate the fight more and also reduce any options the attacking player might have.

people will talk shit to you for this. they will say you're a rail whore faggot, or a pussy, or a stupid +back rocket skill less queer, or any number of things. ignore them, don't even respond. words do not directly affect anything in the game, they don't make items respawn faster, and they don't give free points. quake is, by nature, a defensive game. anybody who says otherwise mid match just wants you to +fwd so they can do the ez damage to you. fuck that shit. do the ez damage to them.

if you can rail snipe people from a distance to cripple them you'll have a lot easier time playing. you'll have much more room around the map, and be able to take items cleanly frequently. I'm sure you're asking, how do I hit more rails? is it better positioning? should i be faster? time QUICKER? to which i say, stop overthinking. you're trying to be cerebral but what you need is pure mechanical wonder. stop worrying about exact timing, stop worrying about positioning. learn to fight in all areas of the map regardless of 'what the proper positioning should be' once you get to the upper tiers, worry about that. everything else is just practice towards that goal. you need raw mechanical skill and to get that, you just gotta grind. learning to do okay with rockets + rail play (using LG when you absolutely have to, but focus on playing defensively) should net ya like 250-300+ elo EZ if you can rock a 35-45% railgun with lots of shots fired. ez damage is ez life.

playing slow and rocket/rail oriented will give you a good back bone to defend with, and as you take more damage off your opponents you'll learn how to slow the game a bit. you'll also slowly begin to learn how important getting the first bit of damage in is, and you'll also start reacting more quickly as you become more 'intimate' with your sensitivity and aim.

tl;dr you need mechanical ability.

Unsatisfying frags lead to an unsatisfying game (victory or not). The fun in dueling comes not only from the winning, for me anyway :)

This is only true if the only thing you care about is winning.
There are so many players like this.
Callvote ztn
+back the whole game
when you get behind by a few frags you forfeit
gg

ztn is like the +back paradise

games in ztn is like a chicken contest, or character and patience contest (depending on how you see it). The biggest chicken or the one that can be patient and hold character for longer, wins.

If you are not interested in trying hard for the win, duel is definitely not the game mode you want to be playing.

^ that post brought to you by an aimwhore deluxe

If you have some time, send me a msg on Facebook, I will try to help you a bit ;)

Ep Dont do it, strenx nudes on the way.

Would you help me, too? :>

I'm between 1,6-1,7k.

Why not ? ;) I'm very rusty, I'm not as good as I used to be!

I highly doubt that you are THAT rusty. : D


Cool, gonna write on you this weekend.

HELP US STRENX!!!! :D

EP I suggest you'd accept ^^ you don't see every day a quake legend offering free lessons like that !

Only weak bitches give up!

Stop giving a fuck about winning or losing or your elo. Instead, give yourself certain goals. Like let's say you're playing someone with 200 more elo, make the goal keeping the score below X, or you notice you always lose frags at a certain spot, make it your goal to play that position better. It's practice, the point is to learn, not necessarily to win. Personally, I also think it's essential to let it all go every once in awhile and just run around trying for silly shots. Make sure it stays fun and doesn't become a chore because if it does, you're gonna get burned out on the game sooner or later.

kind of off topic, but i always find it strange when i see players getting frustrated when they lose by like 20+ frags. you were never going to win that game - what are you getting annoyed about? its like being pissed because usain bolt crushed you at 100m. its an ego thing i guess

Getting pissed if you lose is always strange from a 'rational' viewpoint. Losing is simply part of the game and you have to expect to lose say, at least 30% of the time. It takes a while to realise that though.

That being said i find it quite the opposite: if you get crushed so bad and can't seem to do anything against it, it is really frustrating.
I don't understand guys who ragequit typing bg and insult, if a game was close and they lost.

I agree on this. Losing in a close game might be annoying, but it's not demoralising

I get less frustrated when I'm clearly being outplayed than when I'm losing a close game, because often it means I could've won if I just played a little better and I know I'm the kind of person who performs better when the challenge is bigger.

I am strange.

people get upset when they have expectations, if you play rapha you expect to lose so it doesnt bother you. if you play some random idiot or someone you think you are better than, it sucks. all there is to it

You're elo is 2474. Your a grandmaster shouldnt waste time with those 1400 elo nubs.

You're*

Thx edited

Fully lmao'd :D

Did that really happen?

I've level with you, FlashSoul, I lied. I did not Laugh My Arse Off. But in an age of constant hyperbole, "I found that fairly amusing" just doesn't cut it anymore

I praise you for your honesty, earth_quake. I, on the other hand, really did laugh my arse off at this unbelievable situation. It hurts. I am disappointed that you do not share my fate but it may be better this way.

I am impressed by your devotion to The Joke, however the loss of your arse via laughing sounds like an extremely painful affliction. I recommend you seek medical attention immediately!

I am sincerely sorry for the inconvenience that was obviously partially caused by me. I spent the whole night thinking about you and your arse. I whole heartedly wish you, and your arse, to get well soon!

I spent the whole night thinking about you and your arse.

You're*

Your way too late buddy...

to*

Rite

hahaha

*grandmother

quit playing duel, duel is for the motivated people, lazybums get tired at it sooner or later. There is always someone who has been trying at it harder than you ever have, and you will meet this tryhard person and get pwnt.

However if you want to have short term of pleasure of pwning some people at your level and around +400 or so above, try to master rail like a motherfucker. The day you can hit 2 out of 3 rails from any distance, any pressure situation, versus any kind of dodging, fucking ALWAYS, you will be a force to reckon with.

No, if the opponent does the same AND he has control.

He asking for help and u telling him to quit. Good one

To be honest, "I give up" doesn't sound like "help me" much.

I sincerely appreciate the help I received, but yes, I wasn't asking for it

4 words

NOOB

=p

smock w33d errrrrrday #yolololo

sound like me hahah=]

*letters

Letters are words just like rectangle is queer.

1337° rekt angle.

Personally, if I don't have a goal with something, I find it quite a bother to exceed myself at getting better. Sure, there's a period where learning is fun, refining is fun, and you see yourself getting better. But think about it; time, effort, genuine devotion, all put into improving yourself at Quake duel, something that might not even be satisfying past a short period, let alone rewarding. If one applied themselves to something else it could have meant more, right?

If there were leagues and divisions with an established base, even if it weren't flourishing, it would go a long way. If there was a division for 1300-1600 elo for example, your journal might've been titled 'Need tips to improve' rather than 'I give up'. A lot of it would come from simply having set targets for yourself.

As for tips in QL, I'd agree with what has already been said: be more defensive and hit your rails, keeps the opponent struggling and at a distance. This will probably only work for random games, not serious matches where being more strategic matters.
If at any point it feels like a chore or if you're just not enjoying your time, STOP. Just go do something else.
And try your best to discern deliberate practice from just playing intuitively. Good luck :)

good thoughts

im sure if ql ranks are voluntary 99% turn off and just play

makeup is for bitches and clowns i see people with 1000 elo bugering ass to 2300 ego is shit.

its ql ranks great work? YES , its positive for quake? NO

This post would lose a little meaning if I just had text that said "I still suck after playing 2700 duels."

nobody can beat who never give up bro.

yes but men ephemix play into LOT of duels, not improve and big boner, see?

whats with that anxiety that it gives people? Noobs in sc2 complained about the same thing? Are people reallly THAT appearance related that if their elo is lower they'll think complete trash at everything? Like you're playing for imaginary internet points, relax

Do what I did. I have shitty aim, so I decided to get good at timing. I've spend hours and hours and hours practising how to count in 35s (and 25s), then spend hours and hours practising timing in game. Now I've come to point where it's second nature to time mega. My elo is up to 1600. (Yes, it's still shitty)

I've personally found that my elo (if we want to talk about skill in terms about elo, herp derp) goes up by +100 per major item that I time.

There is always room for improvement. Obviously no one credits ESP for their victories and no one says it's easy to learn Bach. Things like this take time. More time for some less time for others. Natural skill is debatable and another topic altogether. I think approach and attitude matter a great deal. Something to consider though is maybe duel is not for you. That is not necessarily something bad. I rarely duel because it stresses me out. I tend to over analyze and it's hard to just relax and play a good game. For this reason I play other modes. So duel for me is better to watch than play. Food for thought.

I would, too.

you seriously need to find better meds

any suggestions?

Find a better doctor. My brother has some serious chemical imbalances and it has taken many years to find a doctor that works well with him and has found a good combination and dosage of mess. So, while I know many conditions are incredibly hard to solve entirely, finding the "right" doctor can make a huge difference.

what does this have to do with medicines? and, for that matter, why are we talking about medicines? we are talking about medicine, right? "meds"?

i thought you were asking "any suggestions (on finding better meds)". or did you mean "any suggestions (on what meds would be better)?" because that would be stupid for me to try to diagnose you over the internet, as a laymen and not a medical professional.

I know, right?

sorry dude, thought you were trying to have a serious discussion. get well soon.

you are too smart for me.

pussy would be the correct medicine. a lot would be the dosage.

no way that'll ever happen for tyryl!

lol.

haha, if only you knew.

shaving your pubes and gluing them to your hand, 2 slices of bread, or an old flip flop doesn't count.

okay. your fantasies are weird, man. are you out of jail now or are you posting this from your cage? I don't have any bananas, man; leave me alone.

Have you ever even seen a labia?

Seeing isn't enough, you have to taste it to know it.

no, never.

If you ever see them and they look like roast beef.... run!
Unless you're into that.

>:{D

How roast beef looks like? D:

like curtains

what name are you playing as nowadays tyryl? what do you think of loadouts? I tried to accept them but classic FFA is so much better. there isn't even a point in collecting items. what was once poetry is now cacophonous mayhem.

i should quit....elo somewhat 1500-1800+ and played 5500duels!adn got framedrops when laptop hot,no damage,no accuracy!Look positive you got nice lg and i got elo 1400 by playing 2500duels!

Is your name from the P-47 Thunderbolt? One of my favorite WW2 planes.

Yeah, there is even an atmospheric phenomenon called after it!

mind = blown

sorry no,just put that name :D nice plane anyways)))

why so? it's an odd looking plane.

Powerful armament. It is also very heavy which makes it ideal for boom and zoom fighting style. Dive from high altitude, fire your machine guns and zoom away quickly with all the speed gained from dropping altitude. It is a one of a kind plane from WW2 no other quite like it.

buy a decent computer and go pro

well i bought my pc from 600euros last year.It needed to be dncent,but i was wrong i thought laptop with kick ass videocard better than kick ass cpu :( just laggs when lapotp cpu 80degrees.no money......i am only 16!

Play tdm! its rough but by far not as rough as duel. Or ca and ffa but these might bore you.

I wish more people played TDM in North America. It is a superior to Clan Arena and can be a gateway into other modes since items are involved. I don't understand why Clan Arena is so popular. It is the fast food of Quake Live. No substance.

because it's not near as stressful, and spawning with all weapons beats not getting any because a bunch of nerds are timing them

Yea i dont get why people like mcdonalds either!

#natdm.ql on quakenet. Regular arranged pickup games with balanced teams.

TDM is rather a destination than a gateway.

what Butcher said. It's generally pretty chill place

sorry,but i will keep playing duels! I know guys whos lg is 23-25 and are elo 1900-2100.While playing ca or tdm i feel like waste of time,could play duels instead ca or tdm.