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go to texas

//if you're not trolling.

It's an option, I know a few friends who live near the Austin area and say good things. It's just still... the usa... ;---;

ya but its like doing so much better than the rest of the US

First, get a passport, then go to [Insert Communist country here] and you will be all set

australia.

same currency (but australian), same language (but australian), 120% awesomness

I'd need to change my name then, due to unfortunate slang terms.

do you think aussies will give a fuck?

the only con of moving to australia is living in a middle of pacific nowhere and deadly animals under every rock as soon as you leave the town.

And Australia being the worst fucking nanny cunt state ever. Not to mention super expensive everything having to do with electronics, games, other things.

who needs games in australia? beaches and gyms

You're on esreality mate. We like games around here.

lol neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd

i like games, but its just cheap time waster when it rains or im not in the gym.

ps. it rains shitload in poland

or posting on esr

same shit.

dat rationalization

well, buddy of mine was there and he said he wouldnt go there again because its a dirty place.

ye, but they got kangaroos

holy s

australia = $$$$

Tell me about what's wrong about your place/country first.

Also, funny that you can read about this on esr so often.

There is nothing here for me, nothing I want to do, nothing interests me. I live in one of the coldest parts of the country. I am fairly isolated from the rest of the state/country. There is no work here, if I was to study, I would have to commute over 45 miles every day or waste money moving somewhere that's in the exact same situation as the place I'm currently at, aside from the school.

Maybe you could just move somewhere else in the USA then, no? Like, somewhere where you have a few friends/family, somewhere not too cold... The USA is one immense country with quite a bit of diversity as far as I know, but it's still one same country so moving from state to state shouldn't be overly difficult (I've never been to the US, this is just my idea of what it's like).

I don't want to stop you from leaving the country though (IF you know where you want to go and WHY) but it's not such a simple thing to do and you may be disappointed by what you experience there because it's different from what you're used to.
Take me for example : I've been thinking of leaving my country for a while (even more so while I was unemployed and had no idea what to do last year) but I have traveled quite a bit and while some things would be better abroad, I'd lose quite a few things I'm used to and can't really live without : French food being a prime offender (the one you find abroad is more expensive and not nearly of the same quality - when I'm abroad this is a major issue and actually does negatively affect my morale). It may seem a bit silly put like this but trust me it's not nothing. I went to Sweden&Norway for a week, I loved it, I really did - but I missed quality bread/cheese/wine etc so bad that it's not even funny. And I'm not even someone who eats a lot or anything, I don't cook much and seldom go to the restaurant, but when I want to and I can't, it's not a good feeling at all. *

Going to an English speaking country should not be overly difficult for you though, and Canada/New Zealand/Australia/South Africa (booming economy for the latter) are definitely great places with a lot of opportunities and things to do. But people there are different too, will you like them, will you get along with them?
For example my experience with South Africa (from a few years ago, tbone words are probably much more valuable than mines now) was that of a country with a huge gap between poor and rich people, lots of racism/violence/crime and overall a very tense and very unpleasant atmosphere between the black and white populations. Yet I still called it a great country back then (beautiful nature, welcoming population, delicious wine**) and both white and black people were extremely friendly and welcoming to us foreigners - but between them it was completely different.

*I'm sure your situation is very different from mine, it's just food for thought
** because the French have been there before and there's remnants of French culture there :p

The thing is I've already done that. I've already moved across where I know a few people and it's just exactly the same. The US is the US, the only differences are accents and fast food chains. I've visited 30+ and lived in 3 different states and there's just nothing different about it at all. Maybe life is like that, maybe it's the exact same somewhere else too.. but the difference for me would be learning to acclimate myself to another culture. Learning to eat and make different foods, etc. Those things, themselves, are what really interest me and motivate me to want to leave the country. I want to experience these things, and I want to be able to do them sufficiently to survive on my own.

ur problem sounds internal tbh :\

aren't all problems internal? otherwise it wouldn't be a problem for me, correct?

i think he meant to say that you probably need to clear some things up with yourself.
It's an extremely common misconception that a move to another place is a "fresh start". IMO it rarely is. People tend to attribute their shortcomings or let downs to their surroundings, when most of the time the problem is in their approach on life.

TLDR; the grass is always greener

That's also something that lazy people say to justify being boring.

I'm not looking for a grass is always greener scenario. I just don't want to live here... what is so hard about that that everyone here can't grasp?

I was born here, I was raised here.. and I don't like it. I don't want to grow old here, or raise a family here, or anything else for that matter. I'm aware that it's a nice place to be, but I just don't like it. It's a preference thing.

I had to commute about 45miles each way when I was at university ( long story ), hehe. But yeah, it's really fucked and you don't want to have to do that. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Also, do you have any qualifications?

I once had a job where I traveled 50 miles each way for each 8 hour shift 6 days a week.. I understand and my condolences go to you, friend.

Nothing "official", per se, as I've never really needed to go get any. I have a lot of experience in a large amount of different fields, though.

I think up to one hour commuting one way is still o.k, if you use public services, where you can read a book or sleep or let your imagination fly (although nowadays most people just do silly things on their smartphones) ... I know that in my country most germans couldn't do that ... I once even commuted 2 hours one way for 5 months for internship using public service ... but it's o.k. only for a shorter period of time up until half a year, otherwise it will get a bit exhausting ...
but maybe it's because I am used to commuting from little age on, I commuted also to school for about 55 minutes in the morning, and at afternoon I often had still to wait at the trainstop so it took me like 90 minutes then ... it's possible, and you can let your imagination fly/read :-) instead of distracting yourself by too much internet ...

EDIT:
why don't you study in your country of choice, at least in EU it shouldn't be too difficult to get a place at a university and they are mostly free, if you don't happen to be in an ivy league university in the u.s., the EU universities often have better quality than all these "other" universities in the u.s., but of course it's also harder :-)

Public transportation is not an option for most of the US unless you live in a large city, which I do not.

I am 23 and never had the opportunity (read: money) to attend uni/college and I don't think that at my age its a feasible way to get into a eu country at this point in my life.

Money is not a genuine excuse. Fill out at FAFSA. If you're really broke, you will at least qualify for subsidized student loans. I would also recommend talking to the financial aid office at whatever community college or university you get accepted to. There's about a million scholarships and grants out there - you just need to know which to apply to.

Even if you had abysmal high school grades, you can make it work via community college and then transfer.

Chances are you probably won't, though, because you already sound defeated.

FAFSA doesn't give me shit because I'm in a situation where I'm not old enough to apply without being under one of my parents' incomes. My father is self employed and due to him grossing much more than he actually earns, on paper I don't qualify for shit. My mom works for the state, and makes enough for me to not get much out of it. Rather not go tens of thousands in debt when I'm really not even interested in studying.

Then first you need to find some sort of direction before committing yourself to moving to another country where things will undoubtedly be harder (at least to begin with).

I know. As I've stated elsewhere in this thread I'm not going to pack my bags tonight. This was set as a discussion topic for where the best locations may be. I'm not planning on moving for at least 6 months, probably more than a year from now tbh.

Or join the armed services (such as the coast guard) and get a free ride to college.

I don't want to join the armed services at all.

So the solution is to move to another country? Seems a bit excessive...

Excessive? Yeah, probably. But I'm at a point where I'm looking to do something with my life and if I continue to stay in this area I won't be able to further myself in any way.

Figure out where u wanna go. Look at govt immigration websites for that place. Also figure out what u wanna do (work/study)?

Go gay and try Key West.

China
From my own experience: bustling live, booming economy with many different career choices. Would suggest a 2nd tier city.

Other countries on different continents that I think are interesting:

Australia, South Africa, Argentina

Are you mad?!? You just named the 4 worst countries for Quake

There is enough quake in SA to stay entertained, can mostly always find a game.

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Argentina has more quake activity than NA so youre wrong.

If you mean earthquakes? Probably.

"struck" me as pretty damn funny!

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If he works for an US company Chinese language skills are not necessarily needed. Big plus of course, but in my company not all the foreigners speak Chinese.
And if you live in a city which does not have a big expat community you are actually inclined to learn the language. rush stated that he is interested to delve into a new culture. Learning the local language is one of the most important aspects.

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I'd suggest Canada but I don't want your ass up here.

Toronto/Montreal has a hell of a lot of hot women. No fucking joke, I walk through the mall and check out all the slimmies from all different races just being hot as fuck, because they like to compete against each other. And because of this the fat chicks are super easy because they can't compare.

It's a fucking gold mine. If you can survive -40 temperatures(wind chill niggas) in the winter then its awesome. Just live in a condo or high apartment and you won't worry about shit.

In the summer time it gets hot as fuck.

Free healthcare, lots of jobs in Alberta and such.

and you are still virgin :(

wat? i'm king shit of fuck island

may I add this as permanent quote in my QL config?

Ahah :D

you just listed the worst places in Canada to live (aside from montreal)... maybe you did that on purpose though

Toronto is fkn naice m8

for cereal?

I live in northern Minnesota, I can handle cold. I just have extreme dislike for it.

Why don't you want me up there? )':

lol. this seems like such a rushed (no pun) decision. you have no idea where you want to go or why... just that u do. you also have no idea what you want to do there once you get there and It's really not all that simple lol. You need a lot more than just ambition to make a move this big. *from someone whos moved 12,000 miles.

but...america sux. i am the thirst fish

I have ideas. However I just want general advice. I'm not going to delve my whole life out and everything I'm thinking of to the internet.. especially ESR.

I've moved a lot around the country, with little success. Mostly due to poor timing (I moved west right as the recession hit, yeah that was fun..) but also due to my own depression and lack of resolve in making decisions. I've gotten past the second part, and I'm looking to plan my next move. I want this one to be permanent.

Perhaps see a therapist instead of making another bad decision of moving really far away. Whatever problem you may have is maybe mental rather than where you live.

Lol.

My depression and lack of resolve stemmed off of being completely powerless to get a consistent source of money in my first move. I was paying for rent through online poker... and made enough to afford to move back with family because it made more sense to at least be broke with people I knew around than to be broke alone at the time (I was 19).

I willingly moved back this time around because right now I'm making more money than I did there, and I can actually save my money. I didn't lose or gain money from the venture, it was more of an experiment. Essentially a test run for this plan. I had never planned on living there more than a year, so I'm not disappointed that I left earlier than that. I enjoyed my previous job much more than my current.. but I don't like eating ramen every day when I know I have a better option available to me.

As I have stated otherwise in this thread, I'm ready to do whatever it takes to make this one permanent. I'm not going to hop on a plane and leave tomorrow.. I'm talking 6 to 12 to even 18 months down the road when I have adequate funds and have absolutely everything figured out. My first move was a bad decision, I have no qualms about saying that at all. Now I have some of the experience and knowledge to make this one work, and all I'm doing is asking for a little more of the latter.

nawce.

gl

First off you're asking emmigration questions on a gaming website. Pretty intelligent. I dont see you lasting 1 month when you make it to a country you've never been - with no one you know

Whats wrong with asking a near global community I'm familiar with questions? I'm not going to take every answer literally. I'm just asking general advice because I am not well informed.

what you should do instead is go travel.

I would like to travel but instead of returning to the US I just want to stay somewhere else.

You could consider Bahrain:

+ no taxes
+ very friendly people
+ not very religious
+ close to europe
+ lots of trading companies

- close to some shitcountries
- expensive
- you'll need to get a visa
- arabic is hard to learn

Really? The place is a repressive dictatorship that uses Pakistani mercenaries to police its own people and jail them.

That and summer is like 120f fuck that

lol no, Bahrain sucks bad, im an arab and i know much about those countries

if you got any money, come to croatia and live like a king.

Lapland.

Looks pretty.

You get a job somewhere else, and visit the place first before making an important decision.

That or get engaged with a foreigner

What are some good resources for getting jobs overseas? What kind of experience is needed for commonly needed jobs? What can I do now to make myself more attractive as an employee in 6-18 months? What locations would be best for someone who only speaks English (currently)? How much does it cost to visit this place? What amount of money should I be looking to have available before moving?

Everyone can recommend the "where" aspect (though lots without having done the move themselves); however the biggest questions are "what for" and "how".

From what I read your plan is to reside abroad. That requires having something to do there, like studying, working, start a business, be with your better half and whatnot. It's no vacation.

All real life rules apply: same in the US same everywhere else, which includes all those questions. Only thing is there are some additions, such as it requires quite a bit of planning (Months, not a couple of days. Definitely a con) what you decide to choose won't be in your hometown (pros and cons), without a citizenship (con - kinda) and you mostly get to choose the country (Definitely a pro).

For example lets say I want to live in Japan. What do I do there after 3 months?
Some jobs have it easier when moving, such as chefs and diving instructors, just like everywhere in the world and across the US itself. Put yourself in the scenario of what you do for a living or what could potentially do, then decide where to move and work towards meeting all the requirements to do so based on your situation and your goal.

So with all that said, just travel to different places and think about the permanent move. That way it won't go wrong. And just so it is clear, I'm not discouraging you: the opposite actually.

The key equation you have left out OP is what is the reason for leaving?

It it is your political system you wish to escape i suggest a country in the nordic region, they seem to be the most progressive bunch and i love their semi socialist structure.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side my friend.

There isn't anyway else in the World where you can get pancakes at 3 in the morning. Are you seriously considering giving that up?

I don't even like pancakes.

Pancakes was merely an example, you can get anything you desire! muwaha-ha-ha-ha.

Not where I currently live. ): The only place open 24/7 is McDonalds and I wont do that to myself,

some particularly tiny latino hispanic individual would. :~D

The grass isn't always greener on the other side

especially in africa

ask tbone.

you need to enlist yourself in some kind of vocational school, which creates an option for a job later on. Maybe try carpentry / construction or some kind of emergency service like paramedics / firefighting. I know you are smart enough to succeed in anything if you try, so just try.

Those are really good ideas for jobs that are needed just about everywhere. I'll look into that. Thank you for the kind words, may the cpm gods guide your flagruns in the future.

I'm far from an expert on this but I was under the impression most countries only gave out work visas for much higher skilled jobs than that. E.x. stuff like computer science or mechanical engineering etc.

I was looking at a euro job board and there's a surprising amount of, for a lack of a better term, "basic" positions available that I would already qualify for. Not ideal, mind you, but it'd be enough (i.e. high enough salary) to get a visa and actually be there. Data input, bookkeeping, surveying, stuff like that.

Going from the US, I actually think my own country would be a great choice! I live in Cape Town, which just got the number 1 spot on the New York Times best travel destinations in 2014. It's a melting pot of lots of different cultures, but everyone speaks English. Infrastructure is good, and getting better, it would be better if you had a car, but a new bus system has just been rolled out over the last 2 years which will allow you to travel without a car. Have decent internet, shopping centers, night clubs, bars.

Houses are big for what you pay for them, things are generally cheap (but probably not as cheap as the US, but cheaper than Europe). However you will probably want to get a decent job here, or come with lots of money.

Crime IS bad, but just move into a white upper-middle class area and you probably won't notice.

So, weather is great, girls are hot, everyone is laid back, the beaches are fantastic and all that.

http://i.imgur.com/YKiXtlg.png

Personally I have been thinking about moving to Iceland or Germany. I WOULD like to move to the USA, but it's tough to get in :/

Hm. My grandmother was actually from Johannesburg. SA would be pretty cool. What kind of jobs are there that would hire someone from the US? What kind of skills are most needed there? I have the ability to drive, but I wouldn't bother bringing my vehicle there.

Anything skilled will get you a job, the problem being is that I think it's hard to get a working visa here as the economy is very protectionist. So tech, medicine, engineering, management will all do well here.

If you can't get a visa you will need to go the illegal route which will mean working in a bar, which should pay you enough to live, so if you are young and want a good time that is an option, but it's not really a long term option.

Skilled labour jobs will get you $2000 to $6000 per month, unskilled below $500.

We drive on the other side of the road, like the UK, so I wouldn't bring over a vehicle (steering wheel on the wrong side), but you can get a cheap car from $300 per month rental, or just buy one for $2000 second hand.

Also I reckon you want to time the trip for Summer, so like after September, before June. Anyway, main problem is going to be getting a working visa, which I believe is pretty tough.

I think your chance as eu citizen for a greencard is like 2 %

wat, we were talking about SA.

do you also have dollar currency, o.k., sry my fault.
personally I dont think SA is a safe country.

I was referencing dollars for easy understanding, no other country uses our currency.

SA is pretty safe depending on where you stay, definitely safe as a tourist. I've been burgled a few times and had my car broken into, but that's about it. Meanwhile I've been assaulted in Europe about 4 times. Different crimes for different places.

Burgled a few times and had car broken into sounds pretty bad.
I live in Budapest which is a shithole, and they say crime is pretty bad around here, but I was never victim of any yet. (Other than getting robbed of around $1 by police one time when they stopped me to demand identification).

None of this stuff happenend to me so far. But I also used to live in a more rural area in germany, which tend to be a little safer than the citys.
With so much poverty in SA and unequality between the people and unemployment this is just the natural result. Also that the culture does not tend to be influenced too much by philosophers and state thinkers adds into the mix and this lack of culture also shows itself in the behavior of people, some rules of normal western societies just don't exist there.

How much is a Toyota GT86 over there?

~$40 000

I heard Colorado is the place to be these days.

Sweden
Norway
Finland
Denmark
Swiss
Australia
Italy
UK
South africa
Canada

if you know arabic you could try

Saudi Arabia
UAE
jordan
Bahrain
Oman

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The HIV rate amongst non black people is extremely low, comparable to Europe, and you know, you can only get HIV if you fuck someone with it. I also don't know anyone personally that has HIV, showing it's non-prevalence among the upper-middle class.

Also I believe the HIV rate is dropping quite rapidly, since everyone is getting the right drugs now which stops more people from getting it. HIV is completely a non-issue in the country anymore.

You forgot Spain. Their youth employment just shot up to over 50% which is a ridiculously scary statistic and that's just what the government wants you to know. The real percentage will most likely be even higher "shudders".

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Lazy youngsters.

-Canada
-Europeen Union will die soon, so don't go there ;p
-Singapore
-Brazil if you know spanish portuguese
-Poland if you like pain in the ass because goverment is raping you every day, but great biatches
-stay where you are

-Brazil if you know spanish

PORTUGUESE

Sierra Leone is nice this time of the year ;)
Come and be a fisherman.

Make the USA of tomorrow become the USA you want today! ;]

8ball: Not seeing it.

new zealand

I live in this small but beautiful country called... ehrm...
Shit I forgot, but smoking weed is legal and I have lots of money.
And a crazyfast bike.
And I love the government because they always make me laugh.
And I have a reeeeeeeeeeeeally goodlooking girlfriend, almost forgot about my lovely Jessi.. Jesc... Tes... her, too.
What I do not understand is that in this country folks have been working for many centuries already, but work still isn't finished.
They shoul've worked a little bit harder in the past.
Bunch of lazy people back then.
Only thing I don't like is that they have mothers-in-law here

congratulations, you have made it to my buddy list, buddy

dude, we need your help on the dirty vagina thread

Punta del este, Uruguay.

Beaches, Casinos, hot women and low crime rate. You should be able to get work pretty quickly in the services area, you should learn some spanish tho, but being a natural english speaker is very good for your resume.

looks like a uruguay equivalent to Benidorm. who the fuck wants to live in Benidorm?

have you been taking troll lessons from shitsu? you went from cool to annoying pretty quickly.

sorry, just can't understand how anyone would want to live in a resort

You dont like crazy girls and beaches? weird

Depends on how much time he wants to live there.

I can only talk about vacations there: it's awesome.

Wherever you go, go southern hemisphere. North is full of hot particles thanks to FUK U SHIMA.

Russia, nowhere else will you have so much fun, lots of friendly people, beautiful nature (if you avoid Moscow, that's a special case), cheap everything.

Downsides being shittons of fucking pseudopatriotic nazi-retards, fucked up work-market, cold winters and well, most western countries see it as the pure evil.

lots of friendly people

If you are a heterosexual white man. Everyone else gl ))

You don't have a single clue about Russia do you? Try watching something else than brain-dead western news-channels (not saying all western news-channels are bad, but a lot are).
Yes there is an exceptionally high amount of homophobia over there and for some odd reasons (I really can't wrap my mind around it) a high amount of retarded nazi-pigs thinking they can play police over there.
However none of the people I know over there (family members, friends, etc.) would ever discriminate against anyone based on his skin-color, his sexual preference or any other distinct feature of a person. Also I have personally seen homosexual couples (both genders) walking in public, holding hands and even kissing and no one was giving a fuck about it.
Problem is, most pictures and incidents that make the news over here in the western sphere are originating from Moscow or the surrounding areas. As much as I like visiting that beautiful city, I can't deny that socially it is a massive shit-hole. Not all parts of Russia are as bad as the metropolitan region of Moscow. I even would go as far as to explicitly advise anyone who thinks about moving there permanently not to do it.

I have a couple of Russian friends). Guess they told me a lot of bs then))
You always jump in when someone says something slightly negative
about your country even if it is true. And why would you move to lesser populated areas where half of the population doesn't even know a single English word? We can agree on that that Russian is a hard language so why would you advice it to him?
There are way better and stable places to pick in Europe and I'm afraid Russia isn't one of them atm.

However none of the people I know over there (family members, friends, etc.) would ever discriminate against anyone based on his skin-color, his sexual preference or any other distinct feature of a person.

Because you are probably not surrounded by dumbfucks?! Just take a look at East Germany and the high numbers of right- and left winged retards. No-one in his right mind would move there if has a better choice to pick. (except the big cities like Berlin ofc).

There are Germans who could tell you a lot of negative bullcrap about Germany too, there are always different opinions on things. I generally jump in if someone says something totally biased, generalizing and uninformed. If you would have formulated your statement differently I wouldn't have said anything. My point is, that it's not true that every Russian hates homosexuals or people with different skin color, I am not trying to make Russia look like heaven on earth because it is definitely very far away from that. Krasnojarsk is a pretty big city by the way (something like 1-1,5 million people live there). You can get around there without knowing Russian really, even if it won't be too easy (in Moscow it isn't too easy either I must say).

To end this silly discussion let's just agree that Russia is definitely not the number one country to immigrate to and that there are better locations in Europe for sure. Still it can be an alternative especially if someone wants to experience something totally "new" and "different".

you don't moscow a russian he just russian do you?

sorry I can't follow your train of thought, could you rephrase that one?

Well, it's quite simple.
If you think a moscow russian, and you moscow that russian, it will be very hard to russian the moscow, because that same moscow russians his own russian moscow. Besides, a russian moscow cannot do that, it would be like a moscow russian. Maybe even a russian moscow. But the latter is highly unlikely.
Every educated man will understand that.

Don't come to Latvia, friendly advice :D the government is fuuuuuuucked

go to ireland. ireland owns.

im thinking of moving to ireland for some years. how is northern ireland compared to it? do they feel as a people or is it identity murder like korea?

Im not very familiar with northern ireland but have you heard their accents? Shits fucked up. Just go to Dublin.

If I were you, Id emigrate to Alaska, build my own house of wood, buy some huskies and live there from hunting down deers and doing some fishing ... I am pretty sure that kind of life is pretty satisfactory

if you cannot be happy in america, you have a serious problem

puh americans going out in the world. the u.s.a is the 5th most hated country in the world and i won't lie you might experience that in europe. I guess you don't have any noticable language skills except maybe spanish since we are at stereotypes. So a country with good general english education would be nice. U.K Ireland obviously but northern Europe is absolutely reliable on that too even though it is the more expensive corner of the continent. Germany is quite cheap and really nice to live, the english education is not the best but you get along. I really don't recommend France (no offence beautiful country some good people etc) but they just dont speak english, or any other language for that matter and it is an expensive country too. in addition to that you are american. Completely underrated is poland and czech republic, it might look quite ussr and ghetto sometimes but the people and their traditions and food are absolutely fantastic. plus it's really really cheap. keep us up to date i want to know what your pick will fall on.

I know a few people that live off of backpacking around the world living off of $2k a year (working basic/odd jobs) and the kindness of strangers.

US #1, but have fun.

COME TO SERBIA #1 !!!!!!!

germany

Iceland