Guys, seriously, QLRanks need our help now!

Also - donated!

Top defeated oponents is AWESOME

that was my idea! :D

to be honest, I don't think having ads is bad at all. just have a small banner at the bottom or side of the page so it doesn't interfere.

Good luck gathering 2400 EUR per year from ads on such highly specialized site like QLRanks. :)

should do both imho

72,033 Duelers
let's say 10% of this is active dueler portion

let's say 20% of that know QLranks.com

let's say 50% of that own a credit card

let's say 5% of that will actually rip a $15 from their heart against the most common online greed for free stuff


That's like 36 people.

Humanity - prove me better!!

Prepare to eat your own words, cause even now there are 17 people donated.

And what is better, nobody can throw the usual "this is just alt accounts" mantra here. :)

You got the Painkiller crowd.

From 2004

just one more to reach all q4 players

Done!

On behalf of the humanity I'm proud to announce that we have 51 donators now!

spent my monthly donation allowance on lvlup..

There are 12 months in the year. :)

why not ask id to just buy off qlranks, I think its in their best interest to do so.

Good luck asking id about anything. Comparing to this futile endeavour, you will have better chances of success even asking the Pope to do a free BJ for you. :)

do you really want this great project to turn into a rotten pile of shit?

this

I donated all the money I have won in quake, my paypal is emtpy now!

Attention, guys, we have a new role model born!

Thanks a lot, much appreciated! :)

now its strenx's turn

lol :D

Actually, if no one from top players will donate this will be very good indication of how far they are detached from the community.

Although, I know a top player who don't want to buy Pro subscription because it is "not worth the money" and because of it have to spend lot's of time persuading QL trolls to go spec to free the slot for his practice partner. So it will be not a big wonder to me.

more like pros doesnt need a ladder? if u invited to a tournament that means youre top16, based on how you place there that is your exact position in the rankings.

how's the matchmaking bot coming along btw? will donate some next month

I'm not from QLRanks - so you'd better PM sirax in #qlranks channel. :)

yeh I figured he'd be reading the thread though ;)

Are you referring to the IRC bot I was tinkering with a few months ago?

yup, any progress? I think I remember sirax saying it would be trivial to implement and he'd do it soon but I don't think he has so far? haven't been in the irc chan in ages.

!findduel

cheers, need to try that out when I find some time to play again!

It's 19 now!

Ask Fatal1ty rofl.

Also I love how theres a ranking on donations haha. Competitive donating ftw.

They deserve our help.

Big up to Memento_Mori for donating a massive 50 Euros. Your awesome dude. :D

You guys make dueling a better experience. Personally, I have a sense of a playing community around me. I can judge my opponents and build expectation on the outcome of a match. I can set goals, keep track of my performance, and give a meaning to what otherwise could easily be just rage and frustration, considering that, by the way I pick my opponents, I got a very low win rate (<40%).

The lack of these things is what has always held me back from dueling in previous games. So, in some sense, you allowed me to play duel and discover a part of Quake I love. Overall, I just feel this is worth my money.

+1

You have a beautiful mind

if i'd have a soul i would be touched

btw, can you add the average donation, number of donors, as well as a progress bar for the 2400eu? The kind of stuff you see in indi boundles purchases, kickstarter etc.

created a quick script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/130839

works with both Firefox and Chrome.


Updated 0.2:
- Now works on www and all qlranks.com subdomains.
- Fixes to display it side by side with the official one

Don't work in chrome for some reason... :(

mmh... just tried and it works for me on: http://qlranks.com/donate/

All is clear then:

http://www.qlranks.com/donate/

Try this out. :)

aw ok, they added it now themselves :)

Haha, it was really confusing moment to see two counters on the page. :)

Dont work with Opera.

yep it works also in opera, download the latest version.

i wanted to donate all the money i won in quake, but i never won anything :(

maybe you could ask id Software to help you out... hahashahahahahahahahah

Haha good one.

thanks. i see myself as somewhat of a comedian

hahashahahahahahahahah

sirax is mean to me, won't donate

I agree with he being mean, but thats a common characteristic in people that gets shit done. QLRanks works and provides a valuable service, with or without sirax mood, cause this isnt American Idol you know.

Sadly i hadnt renewed my international credit card since January, will try to have it ready when i receive my check next month to donate to this valuable service.

but he is overall-mean, not just when it comes to people asking and highlighting him and stuff related to qlranks. I would never support people that act like him

Don't be an idiot. This is not about supporting sirax or szr, this is about support of the whole QL duel community.

Anyway - could you GTFO from this thread, little whiny bitch?

:)

I respect your opinion, in my book service value is first.

what the hell are you on about, they are nice people. Maybe your the one at fault :P?

i'm trying to be nice to everyone :(

Actually they way you guys are answering his critic, without even being as important as sirax for the project, enforces hes original comment. But this is esr i know, home of internet though guys. Understanding life without a cup that is so full isnt one of their skills.

im sorry i was so harsh?

So so, i replied you but was a general comment.

no one likes +backers

Yet there are so many. I think there be some liars abound!

done

is there some reason people are donating €12.12? Some hidden meaning I don't know? :)

I would have expected some €13.37 donations

Hint: 1.212 is the current rate of exchange from GPB to EUR.

I need more brains.

is there some reason people are donating €12.12? Some hidden meaning I don't know? :)

I would have expected some €13.37 donations

Hint: 1.212 is the current rate of exchange from GPB to EUR.

I need more brains.

Pretty overwhelmed with the response in donations to be honest.

Thank you.

New server means new possibilities. Watch this space. :)

I wondered if you could give some hints or what you plan?
Might be inclined to donate depending on what you're interested in doing next.

they will arrange an international service where after winning 5 games in a row a local model will be send to ur house and give u a lap dance while playing the 6th. If u manage to win the 6th too, then… u will be probably gay, so it doesn’t really matter what will happen next…

will u pay?

ps: for +backers the service will be sending male stripers
ps2: I am w8ing for a check to clear to donate (even though I am not playing ql anymore)

Yeah very funny. For people who like stats or like duel I can see why qlranks would pretty cool.

I don't care about stats or duel and so I'm not very interested in the website. Tell me why I should contribute?

I think the guy deserves at least 1 year of payed dedicated server for what he has already done for the community. Not asking him for what will be done in the future. What is important is what qlranks does now.

Well, one of the non-feature things I want to do is provide free hosting to any quake related websites that want it.

I like this idea. :)

what would be nice is if you set up a free to host tournament sites... so people can sign up start up a tourney.. this might open up more tournaments! :)

http://tourney.cc/

I'll donate if I get some free personal hosting? Won't need much bandwidth, just database + some space :)

If quake related..

Sorry it's not, It's just I paid for some ASP.NET hosting recently (monthly), figured it was worth asking since I don't really need much.. I'd rather give my money to you guys than some company.

I can see how qlranks is good for the community as a whole even if not specifically for me, so I did donate.

Here some things I think would be great:

- clan rankings (for each mode - which also means adding CTF)
- match making (clan vs clan)

However, I imagine they are not at all simple to implement and I don't expect you to do it just because I said so :)

Why is the cost to run it doubling?

Before we were getting hosting free, but qlranks was overtaking resources and basically ruining everything else on the server :P

We had to get a dedicated server..

To make this clear:

We had other technical costs other than hosting before. Now hosting is included (+70 euros a month). It was more than I could comfortably self fund.

is this because you're using ASP.NET?

what u mean?

i think i glimpsed .aspx in some qlranks url, which would mean its using a web framework that runs on windows and costs money

u glimpsed right, but y it costs money?

because windows server isn't free???

and which servers are free?

linux or freebsd?

I mean if u know servers for hosting sites and web apps with big traffic for free, I want to know that.

plus u have windows server in ur PC anw (for free), if u r using windows

except if u mean that the cost for the hosting providers is higher

free hosting doesn't really exist, windows server (as in OS), sqlserver, and other parts of the MS stack are usually substantiation additional costs. that was kind of my question.

it'd be great if they ran with the money and closed down qlranks :o)

Keep up the good work! :)

I would never pay for it, even if the guys who did it are good peoples and have worked hard and well.
The problem is not really qlranks.

The problem is QL.

The problem is not QL, the problem is capitalism.

lol

You are not part of the QL community, so you should not pay a dime. Otherwise, you would look ridiculously funny paying for the game you don't play. :)

who said i don't play ql?
Only because i use the cpma logo doesn't mean i don't try/know anityng else.

qlranks down. Moving to the new server?

I'd donate if it weren't down! :DD

QLRanks.com is back online. Sorry about that.

hahahahah

any info why etc.? curious where the server is, what you changed etc. (: you need a newspost or something so we know what is up to date.

donated, god the dollar is weak :P

I'm sure you will get more donations if you fix tdm/ca rating.

do you know how it is calculated? I'm at a loss trying to figure it out

If you lose, your ELO drops by a lot of points regardless of your own performance (you can have 200 more points than everyone else, it doesn't matter). If you win, you get a nice green +0.

Also, sometimes you lose ELO when you are winning games

Hmm, still a bug.

I just hope you don't consider this to be tdm/ca rating calculation fix.

Just noticed something weird in strenx' duel history:
http://www.qlranks.com/duel/player/strenx

In his matches against tox on dm13 and against skrz on aerowalk, the "Elo change" colum says +3 and +0, but in both cases he got +5 points.

Maybe that's a new bug.

yeah i probably have at least 10 games where my team has won, had at least +2k dmg net and more kills than deaths and i still lose elo

Almost like FlashSoul explained.. my observations show, that there's also running some rand(); function, which makes it harder to figure out the calculation.

I dont think the TDM ratings have updated properly for over a week now, a boat load of my games havent been added.

Though i think its fair to donate a bit for the effort and its popularity.

I believe that if you use !updatetdm raw at #qlranks, then the bot will index all the matches since the last update of your profile.. but that's not really a problem.
The problem is just shitty TDM/CA rating calculation.. where some guy can get 600+ rating from a single CA game (jumping from 1144 to 1763). WTF is that? I'm sure there are similar cases in TDM just in smaller scale.

I wouldn't donate to somebody who claims that something works correctly, even tho there are many people showing examples, where it is just wrong. Also like somebody pointed out already, sirax is mean and ignorant.

Thanks.

I'd like to know how its calculated since i've been in some pickups which have ended badly and got +30 then raged others and lost -27, confuses me!

if the donations include working on ctf stats, i'll give you some money.

I would not object, but please, give this money to qlranks, not to me. :)

yeah, that's what I meant -> give to qlranks.

not to mention that the ranking system is unfairly modified to advantege the pro accounts with lowers duel elos....
In other words, some players will be displayed to you as "skill matched" while they are some hundreds of elo points over you.
This doesn't really surprise, according of all the things that going wrong with the elo system (tier slumming freely permitted, crazy shuffle system, etc. etc.) and according to the fact that we are talking about a site that rounds around of the ID, a company simply cruel and shameless with the players.

Dude, stop using heavy drugs and SEEK HELP FAST!

yes, there is a small probability that you are ignorant enough to not even knowing what i'm talking about-in other cases, stfu

Or rather you just don't understand how the whole system works.

GTFO!

Or rather you just don't understand how the whole system works.

GTFO!

autocrawler doesn't seem to be working as advertised. Temporary server issues?

I enabled autocrawl for duel last night, had some debugging to do and this week has been a bit of a killer for me.

Let me know if you don't get autocrawled in duel within ~3 minutes post game, via irc if possible, so I can look into it.

CA/TDM auto should be in by next week- probably Thursday.

thanks sirax - appears to be working perfectly now :)

I just checked my some of my TDM history in QLranks. It's seems more broken than ever? In terms of losing points even when winning against high skilled teams? Have you acknowledged this as a issue/bug already? This in combination that you already only calculate the TEAM wins and no efforts on the individual part makes the TDM ranking quite unreliable and useless if you ask me, for the moment. How the stats are generated for a individual player at the moment would only be reliable for TEAM / Clan stats.

Not sure how accurate this is now, but I also noticed that none of my earlier CA games were updated at all. Not sure if they are now included, but it feels like I should have played more than the games that are registered currently. If this is also known then no need to check, but if not, please do.

This is not whine to make you feel bad, I just hope you can sort it out :)

I also donated some money to your project, and did not get any confirmation that you received it. Just checking if it arrived as it seems to have been withdrawn from my account over a week ago.

Hiya-

Thanks for the donation. I have no way of knowing who made the donation unless you put your quakelive nickname in the box- you'll have to message me on irc with your e-mail etc so I can look it up.

As for tdm/ca- we're currently investigating changing the ranking system. Once this happens, all previous games (in our database) will be re-scored.

My TDM Elo looked like this after clan member updated his score after our 4 games yesterday:

From Change To
1818 +3 1821 (current)
1815 +3 1818
1811 +4 1815
1805 +6 1811
1808 -3 1805

But a pub game I've played before that wasn't added back then, now it has been crawled the situation is strange:

From Change To
1818 +5 1823 <- this +3 was updated with +2 from match below
1815 +3 1818
1811 +4 1815
1823 -12 1811 <- this was +6, but now starts with CURRENT Elo
1805 +18 1823 <- new item, gave me +2 but was crawled when I was 1821
1808 -3 1805

The next game I will play, the top match will go back to +3 because it already knows my Elo was 1821 after it. And the change of the following game will be deflated by 2 because it will start with 1823, not 1821 what is stored in the table.

It's easy to see, in reality the "TDM Elo" column which is supposed to be "Elo BEFORE the game", is actually "Elo AFTER the game that's below in the table".

And "Change" is "Elo after this game minus Elo after the game below", but for the very last game, it's "Current Elo minus Elo after the game below", which adds inconsistency because the "Elo Change" column of the top game changes after you play more.

Proper solution would be of course remembering Elo before/after and showing proper before + change, even if the last game's Before + Change won't give current score.

Work-around for now would be to sort by crawl/add time, so at least scores look consistent, even if the games won't be presented in order of being played.

(Oh yeah, I've donated 20 €)

Of course the most important lesson is that you can see -12 from a won game vs higher rated clan, even though in reality it gave you +6.

This I feel is the biggest factor in people's perception of the system. If PURRI gets +6 but sees -12, of course he's going to complain.


And the ratings themselves aren't bad for people with 200+ games, definitely possible to crawl from rating miscalculated in first games to pretty high ratings.

So fix the presentation and people will see that stuff works. Instant less whine.

Treat quitters as if they lost the game and country top 20s will be clean. Less whine again.

Add more maps to the pool and more games will be ranked, hence we'll get faster to nicely structured ranking. I hate dm6 and it's ridden by one-mapper pub heroes, but can still help. And dm7 and cpm4.

It's all easy.

qlranks guys should open another donation period and try to get enough cash for TWO years of running it. with quakelive how it is, ppl are just gonna rage in 1 year and u wont get any donations next year, so save up now. of course ql itself might shut down in 1 year

if that happens u get FREE cash to run away with, sup?

Meanwhile, QLRanks site has successfully reached it's pledge goal!

It turns out that we have a QL community, after all.

:)

if one donates, his profile on qlranks.com will update instantaneous, but will this donation be eternal, or will he have to donate again in the next month so his status would again be updated instantaneous.

the clan arena ranking is really fuck up

i cant believe you fools donated to a stats site, fucking srs? Why not donate to quakelive instead, maybe they can put stats back up.

it costs next to nothing to run a database server like that site example: http://www.hostgator.com/ (4 dollars a month),
also sites do it free: http://www.7host.com/

actually you don't need these sites, you can do it yourself on your computer, as long as you have a internet connection.

you people gotta be kidding me. Also who the fuck plays for stats?

OK, I can agree about playing for stats and QLRanks really spawned a new breed of stat padders...

But if you think a 50 MB database is enough to keep data of millions of games of hundreds of players then you're an idiot. Good day to you.

Dear Anon, you don't know a flying fuck what you are talking about.

QLR is useless for team modes, but it did a huge favor for the duel community. now its much easier to find a matched opponent, spotting cheaters, not joining noobs etc. also it has basic ladders.

donating to quake live? we doing it already, renting a game for $25-$50/year that have a face value of about $4.99 lifetime (Q3 anyone?).

The moment id software actually does something like this and perhaps even asks for money for a certain project? Then why not. At this moment I already pay for a pro account since day 1. I'm not getting much value from it, part from keeping the servers alive and supporting my favorite gaming company of all time. If they would for instance go official and say ... 'Donate money so we can develop a anticheat, gtv or a matchmaking system!!!' Then I would dig deep and contribute to that project as well.

Point me to the right direction please.

The revolution demands concentration, increase in strength. Of the community of the individual. It is an arena where we are fighting for recognition for revolutionary action. Always there was the greatest tactical flexibility. The vast majority of failure is the transfer of methods that were correct under certain circumstances, in other circumstances where they are damaging. The lack of understanding of the specificity of the circumstances and therefore the need of the greatest specificity in tactics caused the good half of all errors. But even here, our community described as exemplary. She understood it to be extremely tolerant, if you had to reckon with the "good faith" errors of the developers. But just as she understood it unprecedented boldness and determination to be and to act incredibly quickly. Thus the community was in the days of October. At that time, the history, the community turned on the weir. It was a matter soberly assess the whole situation, but then to plunge to the dam to let go peeling out the gigantic flood. The smallest delay, any vacillation, any indecision would have been ruinous. The most daring was needed, an unprecedented boldness and determination. The community rushed to the dam and took power.
But she also knew how to throw around the rudder, when it was needed.

Hi dudes. I donate 20 Euro, 1 week ago. When i become my donator button and the autocrawled function????? :-(

pm sirax #qlranks @ qnet

http://webchat.quakenet.org/

channel: qlranks

tx

im kinda surprised u managed to register an account

Just go to irc and /query sirax

tx

im kinda surprised u managed to survive this world

jenson buttons?

Dude this is QL not F1 :-/

wow... first off, this is not the official support forum of #QLRanks

second, someone already told you to go to http://webchat.quakenet.org/ type in the channel #QLRanks and write a message to the guy named "sirax" who's in charge of QLRanks

Don't worry, im sure you will have your account autocrawled soon.

We greatly appreciate your donation! :)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha "donor reward"

Dickface, I hope you die in a fire.

oh a angry nerd.funny.what means "donor reward"?

Edited by palm75 at 16:39 CEST, 7 June 2013

Edit and then reply, nice one dumb piece of shit.

Quake community at it's best.

dude i frag your ass easy, watch your elo (hahahaha).how long you play?1 week?go to tetris or farmarama

Amazing.

lol, what a noob...