The good thing about this is loads of people are gonna suddenly become good but when the new PR comes along, all of a sudden everything will be back to normal (we hope :P).

Let them have there fun while they can.

I give the cheats one week before they work around the upoming PR.

ye but new PR will have PB so therefore makes it harder for them to constantly change thier cheats., but yes the chances are always there :/

maybe the cheat programmers will get bored of updating there cheats. they should use there time and practise!

The cheaters won't be "updating their cheats", they will be dowloading updated cheats from an idividual who makes it, an idividual who has no interest in spending hours in front of a computer just to get good at the useless ability of Q3.

If you mean the cheaters will get tired dowloading 23k files and unziping them within 2 seconds, I find it hard to believe it such a tiring task that you would get "bored" off.

But lets all hold hands anyway.

i meant they might stop making the updated cheats, because of punkbuster.. :x

Take time and practise... right. But there is this problem... most of the people don't cheat (or make cheat), to be good at the game. They don't care at all if they will rule. They completely don't give a shit about the game. All they want to do is ruin the game for others.

They found gaming as something boring and stupid and this is their way of fighting. The game is not even funny when u use cheats, since you know the skill you show is not your's but bots.

About cheat makers.. again.. don't care if they own. They just feel 1337, when they could override the game. When they can hack into it and make it possible to cheat. Those are just different kind oh hackers. Stupid fucking lamerz :|

Though, there are some people who use cheats to look good. But earlier or later, such a cheater is always compromised and there is a lot of gale around it. Still can remember when it was found out that one of the players from SeeN used Wallhack against BlTe :P

cheating is lamer's problem
good players not using it. good players not play with lamers.

for example i know most of good players (their nicknames i mean) of mosow, so i'm sure that i'm playing with strong opponent who never will use cheats (just becaouse it decreases skill).
i don't care if i'm lose some 'mega-trinitron-2002'
i don't care if he is using cheats
i care about real competition, not playing for fun

i'm not interested in playing 'for fun' at all because i think it's lame - i can have fun without a computer. and quake is competition :)

so.. if my english is understadable..
cheating - is lamer's problem

sure cheater are lame but thats not the point.
there *is* a growing numbers of players in well known clans which use ogc in a stealthy way. theyre just enabling the wh and in some rare situations activating autoaim.
i got my fingers on a "nice" tweaked cfg + demo where it was impossible to say for sure hes cheating.

i meant cheating is problem only for lamers,
not cheater = lamer (btw it is well known without me)

Cheating will never stop :(

nobody can stop these ffs cheaters .
even when the new pr is out , there will be another version of ogc .
but in q3 there is no such a crowded servers like cs so you can EZly find cheaters , pg , lg and mg the best weapons to show the cheat . i faced 3 cheaters on this week and found out the nomber of q3 cheaters is growing up extremlly :(
but we have this chans to recognize them .

What we need in the new PR is a way to find out a clients IP and or Hostmask so we can name and shame all those players. Most people have static IP's.

Name and Shame is the best policy in this day and age.

eg: Rich Todd (sorry rich but you are a prime example :P)

/rcon status does that

yes very cool if you have rcon but I mean for normal users. There isn't always a person with rcon on the servers.

Maybe there should be a law passed that cheaters are beheaded:D

lol

even is if the PR is out, there will come another version of OGC, and since punkbuster is easely passable it has no chance anymore. hope id will come with sumting good and the people will think twice before using

they need to ban by cd key when someone gets caught. ur gonna think twice if u gotta keep buying new cds, or at least aquiring new cd keys

afaik the code for banning by key is already there, just never got switched on.

Thats because they wanted more people to play thier game. :/ popularity!

The reason coders make these hacks is because of forums like this. Saying that everything will go back to normal once PB is implemented into the new PR only makes them more determined to prove you wrong. The only reason aimbots first made an appearance was to prove a point that it could be done.

Besides, there's channels on irc where coders will code you a hack if you're prepared to pay for it. Summit like 300 dollars for a yearly contract. Now if a new game comes out, between a clan of say 6 peopel thats not an aweful lot to shell out when you consider the gain involved - if you take games that seriously to cheat at this level of course.

Besides, players who join servers and cheat are one thing. Now, admins who cheat... well, thats another annoyance.

:)

if you see me, be sure to wave

Dunno, I'm quite optimistic. The main thing being OGC can be updated mid game, so you could be using it and not know that PB can now detect the new version, so in the game they will be removed and people will know they've been cheating. Plus there's the admin screenshot facility if I read that right. There's nothing like unconfidence of a bot work and the fact you could be found out at any time to help keep em away. As been as PC development is being paid for now by Id, with money involved and future contracts as well, I'm sure they'll be doing everything they can to stop em. Think it will make a big difference personally.

Evrybody cheats, who hasnt cheat yet? who hasnt took some money out of the bank when the other players werent watching? who hasnt yelled "OUT" in a game of tennis when the ball wasnt out?

We all wonna win, and if we cant make it by using our skills, we go and cheat.. sumtimes very innocent
really

I havent done one thing you said there....
Maybe it's you having a problem?

mayB you just dont wonna win?