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EuroCup XXII - Fourth match week (73 comments)

( Major News: QL)

Posted by PerpetualWar @ 18:59 UTC, 25 October 2010 - iMsg

Event: EC XXII

We are in the fourth match week with only one more left to be played in the group stage. While in Group A we got two group leaders with 3 wins and 0 losses (4Kings and alpha), Group B has METSU, FLiNE and iM as leaders. Unfortunately NK dropped the cup due to not having enough players interested in ql anymore. Check rankings for full overview.

~~19:00 UTC, 25 October 2010 NK - FLiNE~~
~~20:15 UTC, 25 October 2010 NK - faces~~
19:30 UTC, 26 October 2010 4K - mow - wildcard
~~19:30 UTC, 26 October 2010 NK - action~~
19:00 UTC, 27 October 2010 evo 0-2 alpha - (Match report & demos)
19:00 UTC, 28 October 2010 iM 0-2 FLiNE - (Match report & demos, lvl^ VOD)
20:00 UTC, 28 October 2010 dr 0-2 xt - (Match report & demos)
20:00 UTC, 31 October 2010 aCtion 0-2 METSU - (Match report & demos)

Match week #3

Match week #2

Match week #1

Official streams: lvl^, TV.HS
Links: EC XXII, Rankings, CBooky,

Edited by PerpetualWar at 07:37 UTC, 1 November 2010 - 27536 Hits

<< Comment #1 @ 19:08 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

d1z

fu NK

<< Comment #17 @ 08:45 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

ZiP-- - Reply to #1

I'm sorry, we never dropped a cup before or even defaulted a single game in years and now this shit...
Last weeks we had hard time scheduling matches because of players' availability and it was getting worse day by day. We barely can find one day per week to play and that wasn't enough.
Latest match against 4K was both, cause of this decision and consequence of our inactivity. Of course, we never expected to beat them as they play for sure the best tdm in europe, but losing with a such gap it was a great upset.
Playing at this level without praccing is pointless, also we are a bit tired of q3/ql after almost 10 years, so prolly this made some players quit QL at all. You will say to find some subs, but I don't want a merc team, I just kept playing QL because of my friends and have no reason now.
I want to apologize to admins and every team because the cup was running smoothly 'till now.
Maybe we'll see on the next good game, or maybe not cause we're getting older and it sucks :(

<< Comment #23 @ 12:54 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

swine - Reply to #17

So you drop out from EMS aswell?

I don't get it why teams are trying to qualify for tournaments and then they realize that they are not able to participate at those tournaments...

<< Comment #25 @ 13:48 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

vor_ - Reply to #23

Yeah because circumstances can't change and other, important commitments, can't get in the way all of a sudden.

<< Comment #27 @ 15:15 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

ZiP-- - Reply to #23

Yes we do.
If i could find a contact page or something on esl shitty website I would have it done

And ofc, we played the qualifiers and then dropped out just to prevent other teams to join the cup and make QL fail
We are evil.

<< Comment #28 @ 16:31 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

doz3r - Reply to #27

#esl.quakelive msg Junior or esdjji, both EMS admins

<< Comment #32 @ 18:35 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

swine - Reply to #27

I actually looks like.

<< Comment #42 @ 06:56 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

Rickmage - Reply to #17

I am not tired of quakelive :(

<< Comment #2 @ 19:33 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

Rickmage

:( anyone need a player? :/

<< Comment #3 @ 19:53 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

fu NK !

<< Comment #4 @ 19:54 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor - Reply to #3

:D

<< Comment #6 @ 20:20 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

spartaz0rd - Reply to #4

i feel plussed !

<< Comment #5 @ 19:54 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor

So our wildcard is back? :D

<< Comment #14 @ 06:57 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

doz3r - Reply to #5

no

<< Comment #7 @ 20:56 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

ischju

alpha ftw!

<< Comment #8 @ 21:05 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

Nukm

fu NK

playoffs will be great anyway

<< Comment #9 @ 21:57 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

What's the deal with NK ? Who played for them ?

Edited by Infuscomus at 21:58 UTC, 25 October 2010

<< Comment #10 @ 22:22 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

Teen Queen ' - Reply to #9

Lineup NK
-Soulreaver
-Rickmage!
-ZiP
-eXp

<< Comment #11 @ 22:35 UTC, 25 October 2010 >>

By

rizzah

Whats the reason for dropping out?

We were doing so well so far, no drop outs ;(

<< Comment #12 @ 02:35 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

nude-fox - Reply to #11

i have two guesses
1. they hate our freedom.
2. or it explicitly states the reason in the post.

<< Comment #16 @ 07:37 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

becks - Reply to #12

nuke first, guess later!

<< Comment #18 @ 09:00 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

ambro - Reply to #16

and yet he is britt and not an american at all.

<< Comment #19 @ 09:09 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

becks - Reply to #18

I blame Tony Blair

<< Comment #20 @ 09:56 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

rizzah - Reply to #19

fu all

monday was a long day ;<

<< Comment #13 @ 06:47 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

dlx

NK ragequits lol
after this devastating match vs 4K they decided to stop playing quake.

FU NK

<< Comment #15 @ 06:58 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

doz3r - Reply to #13

who knows...

<< Comment #21 @ 10:22 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer

I hope there wont be any more teams dropping as that might affect the number of clans advancing to playoff :/

I must say this has been a pretty good season.
According to EC cup page:
Group A 3rd place playoff spot is still pretty much up for grabs and it will either go to xt or dr.
Will be interesting to see whether 4k or alpha takes the nr1 spot of the group. That really makes it exciting group stage till the end.

Group B is somewhat already decided unless aCtion manages to win against METSU. If there has been a reason to practice hard.. this is it!
FLiNE will most likely win against iM although nothing is written in stone yet. If iM wants to absolutely secure 3rd place they will have to win one map (in case aCtion gets away with their best case scenario).
And as in group A the last matchweek seems to be reserved to determine the nr1 spot in the group.

gl to all :)

Edited by Slajer at 10:22 UTC, 26 October 2010

<< Comment #24 @ 13:37 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #21

FLiNE will most likely win against iM (...)

what an incredibly stupid statement from an admin.

other than that: good job.

<< Comment #34 @ 20:39 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer - Reply to #24

I'm not an admin.. i'm just guessing the outcome based on the scores that are available on CB, hence why i started with "According to EC cup page".

So i'm going to make another guess since your statement is false (i'm not an admin) my statement is therefore brilliant :)

<< Comment #37 @ 07:24 UTC, 27 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #34

you were an admin though, so the point still stands. :D

given that Frontline recently only barely won against faces and both iM and front beat aCtion ... ;)

<< Comment #38 @ 09:46 UTC, 27 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer - Reply to #37

Some of those lineups are quite inconsistent to make a definite prediction, hence why i added "although nothing is written in stone yet" part.

<< Comment #39 @ 10:12 UTC, 27 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #38

"will most likely" is a pretty daring prediction.

something along the lines of "seem to be the favorite" would have been acceptable, imo. ;)

the "nothing is written in stone yet" part is redundant and obvious, it doesn't affect your previous statement.

Edited by scowl at 10:14 UTC, 27 October 2010

<< Comment #40 @ 10:55 UTC, 27 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer - Reply to #39

Ah i see whats the real problem... fan boy much? :)

<< Comment #43 @ 07:10 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #40

actually: not at all.

but I understand that you resort to this after you've run out of valid points.

Edited by scowl at 07:11 UTC, 28 October 2010

<< Comment #44 @ 10:25 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer - Reply to #43

How else to explain your rage when you're bothered by how the first part of the prediction was worded.

You also seem to disregard what i said about lineups being different in some of those matches. While iM lineup is consistent and predictable, FLiNE's lineup is not. The outcome of the match will depend on that very thing. I'm assuming they will use their best lineup.

To answer your previous post (didn't have time for that yesterday)..
FLiNE actually did better against faces than iM did. Eventho IMO, FLiNE could have used a better lineup against them they still made more frags against faces than iM did.

FLiNE also beat aCtion in two maps and iM had to play the third map to win the match.

Anyway, i guess we will see what happens tonight..

EDIT: Oh and i didn't run out of valid points, i ran out of time to reply, i still have stats on my side :)

Edited by Slajer at 10:29 UTC, 28 October 2010

<< Comment #45 @ 12:49 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #44

While iM lineup is consistent and predictable

this one made me laugh hard.

so there's no difference between a lineup like "unity deus deji disrepute" and, let's say, "deji disrepute nvc adr"? :D

<< Comment #48 @ 15:04 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

Disrepute - Reply to #45

Plus only me from our last seasons 4.

<< Comment #50 @ 20:35 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer - Reply to #45

Between matches you pointed out, only deus and Deji switched places. I guess i missed that.
I'm glad you trolled hard and fulfilled your purpose.

EDIT: oh look FLiNE used their best lineup and won.. imagine that

/me gloats :)

Edited by Slajer at 20:39 UTC, 28 October 2010

<< Comment #52 @ 09:59 UTC, 29 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #50

wow, you don't even know what "trolling" means.

I'm sincerely sorry, but the 20 frags difference in total doesn't make your "will most likely win" statement any less stupid. :D

Edited by scowl at 11:03 UTC, 29 October 2010

<< Comment #54 @ 21:05 UTC, 29 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer - Reply to #52

The way you reply and make an insult with pretty much every comment you make is the very definition of trolling.
I guess you'll pick something from this comment again and try to insult me again..

You said FLiNE barely won faces but they actually did better than iM.
Frag difference would have been much higher if they picked better lineup. As i mentioned before It was also more than that.. they also won aCtion in two maps while iM lost one map.

Statistics and apparently majority of users that used CBooky were on FLINEs side. Like i said, they had a better chance of winning. If you're bothered that i somehow insulted iM by using those words that you like to quote so much.. well i can tell you that i don't have anything agaist iM or any preference for FLiNE whatsoever. I tell it as it is.

And as you most likely already found out, i was right.

<< Comment #58 @ 12:02 UTC, 31 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #54

And as you most likely already found out, i was right.

huh? You don't even read my comments, do you? :D
I've already put forward that it was a close game, as expected from two teams belonging to the top 6 in Europe.

Of course Frontline were the favorites on paper because they have placed better than immune in the past.
However, saying that ANY team "will most likely win" against their direct contenders for a playoff spot, is just stupid. It's pretty funny that you don't see this by yourself.

I never said "immune will surely take this, 'cause front sucks!", I can't understand why you would see this so black and white.

Edited by scowl at 12:02 UTC, 31 October 2010

<< Comment #59 @ 14:23 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

Disrepute - Reply to #58

We placed higher then them in EMS and OC.

<< Comment #62 @ 15:25 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #59

cool, then even his "statistics" point was invalid. :D

Edited by scowl at 15:29 UTC, 1 November 2010

<< Comment #60 @ 14:46 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

hnns - Reply to #52

"FLiNE will most likely win against iM although nothing is written in stone yet."

it's a pretty passive statement, what's stupid about it?

<< Comment #61 @ 15:23 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #60

huh? this statement sounds like "a will win against b, unless a doesn't show up and b gets a default win"

passive would have been something like "given their current position in the ranking, a seem to be the favorites in their match against b, but both of them are competing for a playoff spot and surely won't give it away easily."

Edited by scowl at 15:28 UTC, 1 November 2010

<< Comment #63 @ 15:32 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

hnns - Reply to #61

you're confusing "likely" with "definitely"

<< Comment #64 @ 15:46 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #63

"most likely" = "in all probability" = "almost definitely"

<< Comment #65 @ 15:54 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

hnns - Reply to #64

"most definitely" is a way stronger claim than "most likely", since the word "definitely" leaves no room for doubt, while "likely" leaves room for an opposite result. ;)

in any case saying "most likely, although nothing is written in stone" equals "a will win against b, unless a doesn't show up and b gets a default win" is an absurd interpretation. you're blowing this way out of porportion.

<< Comment #70 @ 18:17 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #65

"almost definitely" is (at least) similiar to "most likely", both meaning "we can expect this to happen" or "it's highly probable".

<< Comment #71 @ 19:06 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

hnns - Reply to #70

Definitely always expresses a stronger stance than the likelyhood of something, with or without adjectives such as more or most that are added to both of them anyway. It should go without saying if you know the meaning of the two words.

To say something is "definitely X" is unambiguous; a clear statement. It rules out alternative result in the mind of the claimant.

To say something is "most likely" going to happen simply means that the odds of X happening is greater than the alternative, 60-70% seems like reasonable use of this phrase. It does not however rule out the possibility of an alternative result in the mind of the claimant.

Anyway, in your own words you equate Most likely to We can expect this to happen. I agree, but how does that fit with your previous interpretation in #61, where you saw no difference between saying most likely, but not written in stone to: "A will win against b, unless a doesn't show up and b gets a default win".
That's not even in the same ballpark when it comes to interpreting a claimants thoughts on an impending match, since the second statement implies that victory for A lies in the mere formality of showing up. Hardly what Slajer meant.

<< Comment #73 @ 23:11 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #71

there are two meanings for "most likely":

a) there are many possibilites and one of them is "most likely" which doesn't necessarily mean that its probability is higher than 50 percent.

b) if one certain event can either happen or not happen, then "most likely" means that this event will happen in all probability, meaning AT LEAST 80 %.

and the phrase "x will most likely win against y" obviously fits into b), which means that we can pretty safely expect x to win against y.

would be nice if a native speaker confirmed this, but I'm rather sure about it.

(edit: funny how you always turn "almost definitely" into "definitely" ;))

Edited by scowl at 23:15 UTC, 1 November 2010

<< Comment #66 @ 16:13 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

becks - Reply to #64

no

http://thesaurus.com/browse/most+likely

<< Comment #68 @ 18:11 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #66

synonyms for "probably":
"in all probability, most likely, no doubt"

based on a quick google research, you say that someone will most likely win if he's the overwhelming favourite. And between two teams advancing into playoff that's clearly not the case, right? ;)

<< Comment #72 @ 22:25 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

becks - Reply to #68

you need to learn how to use a thesaurus :(

<< Comment #67 @ 17:32 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

kg - Reply to #64

"most likely" = 70%, "almost definitely" = 90%

<< Comment #69 @ 18:12 UTC, 1 November 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #67

"most likely" is more than roughly a 2/3 odd, isn't it?

i'd say that "most likely" is 85% and "almost definitely" is 90-95%, but either way that's a weird estamation for two teams that have been on a level playing field in the past.

Edited by scowl at 18:20 UTC, 1 November 2010

<< Comment #56 @ 11:00 UTC, 30 October 2010 >>

By $\0/$ Fopeye the Sailor - Reply to #37

Did u ever heard about motivation thing? vs faces for example I played ill, I even did't want to play, but I had to, cos without me we where only 3... Players like Cooller can't find any kind of motivation vs teams like faces. Sad, but true (C). I agree, we won all our matches very close, and it looks like we are not in good shape etc. But u must judge teams by main matches, not group stage imho. For exmaple on ospdm6 vs iM we where leading 40 frags on 17th min, but in the end it was only ~10 frags. As for me I start loosing concetration when we lead so much, and I like to play close matches more. When it comes to teams like METSU, we all concetrate and play our best.

<< Comment #57 @ 11:53 UTC, 31 October 2010 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #56

tl;dr

<< Comment #26 @ 13:57 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

deji - Reply to #21

Don't results of the clans playing against eachother come before the match points, unless there's a three way tie?

<< Comment #35 @ 20:50 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

Slajer - Reply to #26

Yes they do.
If teams have the same number of wins then you compare the outcome between the tied teams. If there is a 3 way tie (each team beat the other one) then you look at NET between maps won and maps lost.

<< Comment #22 @ 11:35 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

bab

METSU vs aCtion Sunday 31 Oct 21:00 CET

<< Comment #29 @ 16:59 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

bab

METSU vs aCtion Sunday 31 Oct 21:00 CET

<< Comment #30 @ 17:04 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

kK_Storm - Reply to #29

Yeah, man, we got it: 21:00 CET not 21:00

<< Comment #33 @ 19:00 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

PerpetualWar - Reply to #29

fixed.

<< Comment #31 @ 18:09 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

kg

when is METSU vs aCtion plz ???

<< Comment #36 @ 21:04 UTC, 26 October 2010 >>

By

bab - Reply to #31

METSU vs aCtion Sunday 31 Oct 21:00 CET

<< Comment #41 @ 17:12 UTC, 27 October 2010 >>

By

Vium - Reply to #36

SOMESWEDE+DANE+IDUNNORLLYSOMEWHEREINEASTAERNEUROPEFAGS VS SWEDEFAGS Sunday 31 Oct 21:00 CET

<< Comment #46 @ 13:17 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

Raist

When is METSU vs aCtion? I have a burning need to know.

<< Comment #47 @ 13:39 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

PerpetualWar - Reply to #46

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1978342

Edited by PerpetualWar at 13:40 UTC, 28 October 2010

<< Comment #49 @ 18:25 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

Anonymous (75.103.229.58)

Streams for iM vs Fline AND dr vs xt? I need my good Euro TDM fix.

<< Comment #51 @ 21:41 UTC, 28 October 2010 >>

By

Trance

iM vs Front VOD: www.own3d.tv/lvlup

<< Comment #53 @ 10:44 UTC, 29 October 2010 >>

By

kg - Reply to #51

If you give links, you might as well give direct links.

<< Comment #55 @ 21:23 UTC, 29 October 2010 >>

By

retire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLXhgOMujQU

Metsu at their best.

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