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QuakeCon 2010 Demos Online (119 comments)

( Major News: QL)

Posted by QuakeLiveTV @ 22:56 CDT, 12 September 2010 - iMsg

Event: QC'10

The demos for all three QuakeCon 2010 tournaments are finally online.

"Unfortunately, due to technical problems the archive is missing several demos from key match-ups that were played on the tournament stage. The missing files have been documented within the archive."

Missing Demos

Update:

mickzerofive saves the day with spectator POV demos from the grand final.

Link: QuakeCon.org, QC'10 Demos

Edited by Nukm at 08:41 CDT, 13 September 2010 - 38467 Hits

<< Comment #1 @ 21:14 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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pks

Missing Demos
*cypher's POV of the grand finals vs coolleR

fffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

<< Comment #4 @ 21:26 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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zar4 - Reply to #1

idd, such a fucking joke

inb4 FishStix telling us they was lost in some fire

Edited by zar4 at 21:26 CDT, 12 September 2010

<< Comment #2 @ 21:15 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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fazz '

AGAIN hahahaha

<< Comment #3 @ 21:18 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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jamalz

so soon?

<< Comment #5 @ 21:30 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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evilbollweevil

uuuuhhhh! how in the world? Missing demos from GRAND finals? various semi/quarter finals??

-why major this?

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<< Comment #82 @ 08:22 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Anonymous (217.128.194.213) - Reply to #5

-because it's a major fail

<< Comment #6 @ 21:36 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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zar4

nice that we get to see the two finalists in 3rd person view!

<< Comment #20 @ 01:07 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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pleirosei

WOW. WHAT A FAIL. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!? DOES NOT STERMY HAVE ALL, I REPEAT, ALL HIS DEMOS FROM QUAKECON!? PLEASE TELL ME YOU CANT FIND DEMOS THAT STERMY EVEN HAS OF HIMSELF, LET ALONE THE BEST AEROWALK SURVIVAL EVER?

<< Comment #7 @ 22:18 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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M05

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<< Comment #8 @ 22:24 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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roffo

fucking epic fail, at least cypher won't be kicked from the magicians guild for spilling his secrets on aero

<< Comment #9 @ 22:40 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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0x5f3759df

all anyone wanted to see was grand final pov's... and you don't have them?

what a joke

<< Comment #10 @ 23:07 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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palatka

u dont happen to have demos with strenx pov somewhere? in matches against lesser american players that wouldnt be a problem

YOU MIGHT THINK, BUT THIS IS AMERICA

<< Comment #11 @ 23:17 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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butcher_kgp

in other breaking news, world war 2 newsreel is re-released.

<< Comment #12 @ 23:29 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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laoxiong

who is 1057?

<< Comment #13 @ 23:41 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #12

1=L
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5=s
7=t

lost cauze, brah

<< Comment #19 @ 01:05 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Bob - Reply to #12

Edited by Bob at 03:40 CDT, 28 June 2024

<< Comment #65 @ 06:16 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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laoxiong - Reply to #19

Yeah!come on，I am in Beijing.I can guide you.and we have Chinese Quakelive online macth,so join our.

<< Comment #66 @ 06:19 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Bob - Reply to #65

Edited by Bob at 03:41 CDT, 28 June 2024

<< Comment #14 @ 23:44 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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p4r4

There are much more missing demos than listed here. Pretty much all (interesting) cooller and cypher POV demos are missing. Good job Quakecon, keep it up!

<< Comment #15 @ 23:46 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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0x5f3759df

@the video edited in

The song is pretty hilarious and quite appropriate, "but I still haven't found, what I'm looking for".

In this case, we're still looking for the grand final demos! :p

<< Comment #16 @ 23:57 CDT, 12 September 2010 >>

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vedic

Dunno how anyone can still be surprised by this.

<< Comment #17 @ 00:37 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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weltschmerz

Wow. The best final in years and not a single demo of it.

And hiding behind "technical problems" is very convenient, isn't it. Why doesn't somebody take responsibility for a change? Fukn losers, I take a piss on this.

<< Comment #25 @ 01:25 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #17

LOL, "responsible" :D
No one is responsible for QuakeCon. You can search their whole website, you won't find a single name of anyone from QCon staff. All contact information is abstract email addresses, and their email server stores mail in /dev/null folder. Last year I wrote several emails to them about bug on their website, and what you expect? No answer whatsoever and bug is still there.
They are always hiding, so that people won't come to them in the street and beat them.

Edited by p4r4 at 01:31 CDT, 13 September 2010

<< Comment #97 @ 13:04 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #25

Yeah. Fuck id and their fukn trade show. Fuck qcon. Fuck this whole deplorable mess.

Call to sponsors: give your money somebody else, pretty please. ESL. Dreamhack. Asus. 4SG. Anybody. Because anybody does a better job organizing a high profile event than these jerks.

<< Comment #18 @ 00:46 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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hazrd

Hah, why am I not surprised? :D All that's missing now is a spinning logo.

<< Comment #21 @ 01:09 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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wingz

rofl jokes, get some better organising

<< Comment #22 @ 01:09 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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fADEn

whoever made this thread to actually BRAG about uploading the qcon 2010 demos is no fcking doubt the most retarded and idiotic person.

and also the stupidest.

<< Comment #23 @ 01:10 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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IrrSolicitude

QuakeCon: don't blame me, blame NASA!

<< Comment #24 @ 01:19 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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M05

DON'T WORRY GUYS. AUSTRALIA'S GOT THIS

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<< Comment #37 @ 03:04 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #24

Does the Aerowalk demo come with Kleenex?

<< Comment #39 @ 03:09 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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M05 - Reply to #37

BYO

<< Comment #49 @ 04:01 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #39

thief.

<< Comment #42 @ 03:13 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #37

it comes with no cypher pov during ninja :<

<< Comment #61 @ 05:06 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #24

<< Comment #100 @ 13:17 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #24

God bless you, son. You're obviously a decent person, respecting the game and gamers likewise. May our lovely sun, which for reasons unfathomable also shines on those qcon jerks, never fail to brighten each and every of your future days.

<< Comment #110 @ 10:35 CDT, 14 September 2010 >>

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Something - Reply to #24

you are AWESOME :)

<< Comment #112 @ 21:07 CDT, 14 September 2010 >>

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M05 - Reply to #110

haha thanks mate I do what I can

<< Comment #119 @ 16:57 CDT, 23 September 2010 >>

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zevz - Reply to #24

I can always count on Australians to save the day, it was the same when i backpacked in Asia. Always so chill and laid back, everything Is fine and dandy!

<< Comment #26 @ 01:27 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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calleking

useless

<< Comment #27 @ 01:40 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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torfteufel

where is ninja-fazz when you need him :(

<< Comment #28 @ 01:52 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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leopold '

np, i recorded finals from gtv with multiview.

<< Comment #103 @ 15:18 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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kaliberr44 - Reply to #28

what a minute, i see what u did tharrr

<< Comment #29 @ 02:13 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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xoji

Why is coverage consistently bad from Quakecon? I really don't understand it, it's fucking pathetic.

<< Comment #30 @ 02:22 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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amOKchen

almost like seeing it live

<< Comment #31 @ 02:27 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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GreenMeanie

only 2/3 weeks late.

<< Comment #32 @ 02:35 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Cyn1c

No surprises here. We have shamelessly accepted it as our fate.

<< Comment #33 @ 02:39 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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study

All I wanted was to see cypher railing cooller out of the teleporter on aerowalk ):

<< Comment #35 @ 02:53 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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therm - Reply to #33

All I wanted was to see cypher Nrailing cooller out of the ~~teleporter on~~ aerowalk

there, i fixed it

<< Comment #41 @ 03:11 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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PYTON - Reply to #35

FU 7herm!

fixed

<< Comment #38 @ 03:07 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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M05 - Reply to #33

i put our spectator demos up mate.

<< Comment #51 @ 04:09 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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IrrSolicitude - Reply to #38

I'm not able to download it from the 4seasonsgaming forum, would you like to upload it to megaupload or somewhere? Thanks.

<< Comment #52 @ 04:10 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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M05 - Reply to #51

why are you 'not able' ? as far as I am aware you don't have to register to download.

<< Comment #55 @ 04:17 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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study - Reply to #52

Ah I downloaded, thanks. But it switches pov 2 seconds before cypher's shot. Oh well, it is better than nothing <:

<< Comment #57 @ 04:17 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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IrrSolicitude - Reply to #52

dunno, my network hates 4seasonsgaming maybe, i cannot open the page =(

<< Comment #46 @ 03:51 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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HexxXXA

not even l1nkje ctf-demos :(

<< Comment #48 @ 03:57 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #46

http://www.fnatic.com/downloads/576/Quakecon-...e-CTF.html

<< Comment #34 @ 02:48 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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therm

Something more interesting then missing demos

oh rly?

<< Comment #36 @ 03:04 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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deotrip

<< Comment #40 @ 03:10 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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PYTON

It took them a month to get and sort demos... and... pro demos in the open and so on... Bunch of fucking retards.

I don't see any Cypher's POV demos.. Are you fucking kidding me?
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!

Edited by PYTON at 03:55 CDT, 13 September 2010

<< Comment #58 @ 04:38 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Spart1e - Reply to #40

Looks like mines and cyphers demos are missing since we both played from the stage. While everyone else was playing from the tournament area.

<< Comment #60 @ 04:55 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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PYTON - Reply to #58

FLV FTW ZOMG... :(

Edited by PYTON at 04:56 CDT, 13 September 2010

<< Comment #47 @ 03:57 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Papooas

Best organisation...

<< Comment #45 @ 03:50 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Papooas

Somebody, please, upload duel demos to ESR. (Can't use link in post).

<< Comment #53 @ 04:11 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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M05 - Reply to #45

why are you 'not able' ? as far as I am aware you don't have to register to download.

<< Comment #54 @ 04:11 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Lamur - Reply to #45

all duels in one file
or
all duels in one file
want same for ctf :(
or
use non-Russian proxy

<< Comment #59 @ 04:52 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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PYTON - Reply to #54

Doesn't work :(

<< Comment #70 @ 07:07 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Lamur - Reply to #59

oh, yes, sorry. :)
Poland is also has error?
then need use a proxy.
Or ask questions at the forum ID.
Or wait evening, if nobody upload, I do it.

<< Comment #73 @ 07:19 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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therm - Reply to #70

poland can not proxy :<

<< Comment #83 @ 08:33 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #73

This reminds me of Polandball ^^

<< Comment #85 @ 08:55 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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therm - Reply to #83

correct

<< Comment #43 @ 03:20 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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rareh

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

<< Comment #44 @ 03:46 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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T1E

ahahah strenx and cooller best buddies :D
<3

so sweet

<< Comment #56 @ 04:17 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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therm - Reply to #44

how do u know

this would be way to epic to be true :O

<< Comment #75 @ 07:33 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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T1E - Reply to #56

watch the video from mick05
remember how much they practiced vs each other
they respect each other, that's for shure, and that's so sweet imho
ofc cooller is an ass in the public, but i think he is respecting strenx nonetheless

<< Comment #86 @ 08:58 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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M05 - Reply to #75

he means this video

<< Comment #90 @ 09:35 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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koekie - Reply to #86

Ahahaha the communication between the guys is $$$
"I ghave the flag again"
"NEED GHELP NEED GHELP NEED GHELP!"
"There is a pew (pu) here"

<< Comment #106 @ 17:11 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #44

yeah communicating in rufrenglish.=)

<< Comment #50 @ 04:02 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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trippy

ahah BTS music just sells it :o))

<< Comment #62 @ 05:06 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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madbringer

Youtube Poop: QuakeCon

<< Comment #63 @ 06:05 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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d1z '

lol @ missing demos.
gg quakecon.

<< Comment #64 @ 06:14 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Fejl(Folklore)

New movies!!

<< Comment #67 @ 06:45 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Anonymous (93.42.158.48)

lol, we wait 1 mounth and now the grand final demos missing? very nice...rotfl

<< Comment #68 @ 06:47 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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scriptor

no demos of the most interesting matches.....fuck off hard

<< Comment #69 @ 06:55 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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xou

Cooller and Cypher usually save their demos on their USB drive. Chances are high they still have it somewhere.

<< Comment #78 @ 08:08 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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fADEn - Reply to #69

mb you can ask them? :)

<< Comment #81 @ 08:22 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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xou - Reply to #78

not my troubles!

<< Comment #84 @ 08:43 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #78

maybe foppa can for once be useful, and instead of telling everyone that he is friends with every eastern european pro, actually get the demos

<< Comment #87 @ 09:01 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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M05 - Reply to #78

I just asked cooller no luck. I'll ask cypher when I see him come online

<< Comment #89 @ 09:10 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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d1z ' - Reply to #69

Cooller said already (at his facebook page too), he didn't take demos from Qcon.

<< Comment #71 @ 07:11 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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oneroomdisco

Edited by Gillz at 07:15 CDT, 13 September 2010

<< Comment #72 @ 07:18 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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GEKKO-

What happened to that video that was initially posted along with the demos? Where to find?

<< Comment #74 @ 07:24 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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stingerrayer - Reply to #72

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIaAOf6UGwI

that one?

<< Comment #76 @ 08:00 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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PYTON

Sorted with some extra 4sg demos.

http://pyton.blackcomb.pl/demos/quake_live/quakecon2010/DUEL/PRO/

Edited by PYTON at 08:01 CDT, 13 September 2010

<< Comment #105 @ 16:26 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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OSEF - Reply to #76

No thank, we prefere just this one :

http://pyton.blackcomb.pl/demos/quake_live/py...i-t4.dm_73

;-)

<< Comment #77 @ 08:07 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Mitritch

Dear id software, we drastically need a serverside demo feature automatically enabled for LAN events, with their later redistribution through match links on QuakeLive website.

This way, no retarded event admins can hurt our feelings anymore.

Please, oh please, do it for us!

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<< Comment #79 @ 08:15 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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[mash]

y save the say? no need, my say is save.

<< Comment #80 @ 08:20 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #79

also: can you please add multiview to your FUCKING GAME, ID.

<< Comment #88 @ 09:04 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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klout

This really is, sad.

<< Comment #91 @ 09:39 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Dynamix

So I can't see Cypher insanity on Aerowalk?

MOTHER FUCKERS

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<< Comment #113 @ 00:01 CDT, 15 September 2010 >>

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supersexyleetmegaruler - Reply to #91

what insanity? we've seen that kind of aim and pace for years now. in fact, rapha has done it better in a few of the last tourneys.. and by god, im not a rapha fan..

<< Comment #117 @ 12:23 CDT, 16 September 2010 >>

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/rage quit - Reply to #113

rapha's insanity??yeah..sneaking around teleportes on ztn is sure INSANE!!-_- ffs..

<< Comment #93 @ 12:24 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Anonymous (193.179.177.66)

finally, thx!

<< Comment #95 @ 12:27 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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scowl - Reply to #93

wtf is wrong with you?

<< Comment #116 @ 08:01 CDT, 15 September 2010 >>

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Anonymous (193.179.177.66) - Reply to #95

I wrote it before I found out that there are much missing demos..
OFC Fuck Them!

<< Comment #118 @ 17:52 CDT, 16 September 2010 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #116

thats the spirit :D

<< Comment #92 @ 10:55 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Thorin '

Cypher doesn't have them, already been asked.

Quakecon manages to lose POV demos of one of the best series ever played in esports history. Totally unforgivable.

<< Comment #94 @ 12:27 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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xou - Reply to #92

Tried asking basz ?

<< Comment #107 @ 17:23 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Thorin ' - Reply to #94

Yep

<< Comment #108 @ 17:55 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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xou - Reply to #107

Shame on QuakeCon staff then : )

<< Comment #96 @ 12:34 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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vuulx

gg id/Quakecon, same shit every year!

Edited by s3ntient at 12:34 CDT, 13 September 2010

<< Comment #98 @ 13:04 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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paulrrrr

fucking sickening

<< Comment #99 @ 13:14 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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26671

Shitty coverage for a shitty tournament for a shitty game...quite fitting.

<< Comment #102 @ 13:36 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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Anonymous (83.255.40.174)

where can i find the schedule for next year's quakecon?

<< Comment #104 @ 16:00 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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kg - Reply to #102

..id will stop supporting ql in a month anyways.

<< Comment #109 @ 05:01 CDT, 14 September 2010 >>

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rind - Reply to #104

OH NO ! not to be taken seriously ..

Edited by rind at 05:02 CDT, 14 September 2010

<< Comment #101 @ 13:31 CDT, 13 September 2010 >>

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klout

I'm really pissed about no cypher final demos!!!!!

/ragequit

<< Comment #111 @ 15:30 CDT, 14 September 2010 >>

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[mash]

fuck me.
was happy to see cooller's pov from the hub game vs. rapha is online, just to find out it's only the last 1:30min.

<< Comment #115 @ 01:28 CDT, 15 September 2010 >>

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Anonymous (115.162.252.190)

where is EG viju's demo (vs fnatic)?

<< Comment #114 @ 00:16 CDT, 15 September 2010 >>

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supersexyleetmegaruler

so i've finally seen the finals, which i've held off viewing because i was sure it would include cooller choking

.. and boy, did it ever. anton could have bagged this easy if he really wanted to. he's still the best ever, but with a qcon 2010 win he would have been godlike

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