Never has an F1 driver deserved a championship win more. After all these years of bad luck, and the spying incident he's finally done it!

Best season we've had in ages, and what a last race! I'm almost looking forward to next season already.

From a racing pov it really was the best season since years, but other than that it was pretty standard with weird FIA decisions etc.

From a racing pov it was the worst in years. The scandals didn't help either. It was close between drivers just because of the tyres.

True

Well, the last years were all about Schumacher driving at the front with the rest driving their own race. Ok, now it was more or less McLaren and Ferrari driving at the front, but at least it was somewhat entertaining.

Ow so thats why Alonso won the last two seasons....

Same shit, different name. And as you can see, it was so boring I actually forgot about it. qed

nah man, you just fucked up and aren't man enough to admit it... so sad

I didn't admit? Didn't I just say that I forgot about it? ohoohooho.
Furthermore I even told you why: because it was boring. It's easier to remember a great race.

It aint the same shit cause it was schumi vs alonso for 2 seasons. last year however, there were 3 teams with a fast car, renault, ferrari and mclaren, this year there were only 2 teams.. so from that point of view, last year was better :-)

I even forgot more than I thought. :P
But the races were not as entertaining. This year we at least had some good overtakings. That's why I enjoyed this season more than any of the previous.
I'd say F1 needs more GP2, tho I doubt any of the big names/brands would give their name for something they didn't engineer.

See this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Le2IHC3UXU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kpD8AcdxrlQ

Passing this year has been much more difficult than usual, because of the spec tyres and 19k limited engines.

thanks. guess i get your point (engines are more equal; a team doesn't get an advantage because xyz built the better tyre).
on the other hand everyone's driving the same car in the gp2. but then again, i don't know how sophisticated the aerodynamics are in a gp2 car. maybe the problems with turbulent airstreams aren't as big.

The main problem with the tyres IMO are that as Symonds said, they have very disproportionated characteristics, so they only allow the drivers to go into a corner in one way (previous styles like Alonso's or Raikkonen's don't work anymore). And corner entry is where the bigger differences between drivers are made. That's why this year there has been a lot more equality between team mates than ever. Look at the classification in September for example (drivers grouped by cars, how sad was it):

01 L.HAMILTON McLaren
02 F.ALONSO McLaren
03 F.MASSA Ferrari
04 K.RAIKKONEN Ferrari
05 N.HEIDFELD BMW
06 R.KUBICA BMW
07 H.KOVALAINEN Renault
08 G.FISICHELLA Renault
09 A.WURZ Willaims
10 N.ROSBERG Williams
11 M.WEBBER Red Bull
12 D.COULTHARD Red Bull
13 J.TRULLI Toyota
14 R.SCHUMACHER Toyota
15 T.SATO Super Aguri
16 J.BUTTON Honda

How was it the worst in years? We had 3 guys in the last race that could have won the championship. I previous years it was either 2ez for alonso or schumi :D
Besides we've had a few other guys show some great racing. Heidfeld and Vettel for example has shown they both got great talent during this year.

rosberg, too

a new generation of german uber racers is coming right up. =)

uber and german?

that's only you, please don't use such expression again!

fear

Rosberg is half finnish though or something =)

yea, Keke Rosberg is his father.
he himself is german afaik

a fucking MEGA disapointing forum post, I demand right now you change the title

yea? and i command you to shut up ;)

no really, thought someone was onto some quality trolling material here

doh

Its Mclaren´s fault to lost the championship, and FIA didnt help Alonso too :(
Anyway congrats Kimi, as Alonso said you deserved it.

Wow, I'm psychic I guessed you're Spanish BEFORE I looked at your profile.

In fact , all i said its true :D

i was actually rootin for hammy... too bad...

in other news, HAHAHAHAHA@ENGLAND; YER SHIT!

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you might want to make that a tad smaller :P

Can you delate the big one?

done :) they are listed at the bottom in edit

Thanks.

Yea what an awesome race :d

was also cheering for hamilton, but seems like kimi deserved it more.
don't like his "iceman"-mentality tho ... bit boring.

If you want to give someone a cool nickname who has no personality your choices are limited. The Iceman is the next best thing :P

you can also call him toxjq =x

hehe, they do talk in a similar way and have that psycho skandi stare.

First time I've been remotely interested in F1. Schumacher's domination was awful for the sport. Guess that just goes to show how good he really was. I love that next year there will be at least 3 guys fighting for the top spot.

Also shows how good ferrarri is :).
This time they won without schumacher, and without ross brawn :)

seems that there is an inquiry into 4th 5th and 6th places due to fuel irregularities :o but with the FIA and thier rulings being as up and down as they have been in recent years not sure thats gonna make much of a difference...

sure it wont come to anything

If it does and they get disqualified, Hamilton is champion. That would be the perfect ending for all these scandals, after all Räikkönen wasn't punished for his illegal car in Australia either.

edit: "Race stewards investigated alleged irregularities with the cars' fuel, but decided to impose no penalty. (...) McLaren has said it plans to appeal to the FIA, the sport's governing body."

Hamilton wasn't punished for probably benefiting from the spying scandal either...

Would suck if Raikönnen lost his championship at the green table even though he didn't do anything wrong (this race)

you're so full of it. They didn't have an illegal car. They got through the tests which is all it needs to do to be legal when it comes to the bodywork. You're just desperate.
They were working within the rules, and did more than Mclaren. Mclaren found out through their stolen Ferrari document and asked if it was ok. After that the FIA adjusted its rules and tests since they didn't intend for that to be possible. This is NOT cheating. If it was cheating then renault cheated in 2005-2006(mass dampner), Michelin in 2003,...
This is how it works is just sucks that you are not informed/intelligent to know it. As always misinformed and biased people piss me off the most in this world.

As for 'cheating' Mclaren raced the whole season in a car that had an unfair advantage over Ferrari because they had their data. And we all know 1+1=2 > 1. I am 100% certain they wouldn't even be close to the WDC without those stolen documents. So please, stop being so bitter about how Ferrari supposedly cheated in your eyes. How you can even say that Ferrari cheated and Mclaren didn't is beyond me.

From what I've read: Stepney told Coughlan/McLaren about the illegal part. McLaren told the FIA, the FIA investigated and said it's illegal. McLaren didn't appeal.
Apparently you've been fed something different. Or did you actually go and talk with everyone involved in order to draw your own conclusions?

Erm, wasn't the mass damper known before (at least I remember having heard about it beforehand)? Wasn't it until Ferrari had one, that the FIA said it's not allowed anymore? For whatever reason.

"This is how it works is just sucks that you are not informed/intelligent to know it. As always misinformed and biased people piss me off the most in this world."
Ooooh, trynna get personal, innit? And you aren't biased at all about anything.

"How you can even say that Ferrari cheated and Mclaren didn't is beyond me."
I said they didn't? They deserved to get punished, but anyone else doing wrong should get punished either (e.g. Benetton).
And just like written below: didn't Stepney say data went both directions?

They had an illegal car. In fact they ran a mass damper. From Stepney's letter to Mosley:

http://www.racefax.com/content/features/McLExpo.pdf 1234/1234

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http://i24.tinypic.com/96ltv4.jpg

Whiting said in Australia:

"The test described in Article 3.17.4 is intended to test the flexibility of bodywork in that area, not the resistance of a device fitted for the purpose of allowing the bodywork to move further once the maximum test load is exceeded.

"Quite clearly, any such device would be designed to permit flexibility and is therefore strictly prohibited by Article 3.15 of the Technical Regulations."

Mosley said recently:

"Should we find irregularities on a Ferrari - like the moveable floor after the Australian Grand Prix - it is removed and banned."

Passing just the test is far from being the only thing needed to be legal. Anything designed to move, like Ferrari's floor, is illegal. Otherwise teams would be able to use electrically controlled aero movable parts that pass the load test. But we don't see any, wonder why?

was there a crash that made the race interesting?

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was hilarious

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Kimi 4 DA WIN

Awesome been his fan since Sauber days :-)

ITV commentators are so fucking biased its pathetic. Martin Brundle is not that bad but James Allen needs to go.

Why can't we have proper F1 tv commentators here in Australia?

Also well done Rosberg and Kubica.

yeah i was sick of the hamilton show, its just the bosses at ITV trying to milk him for all its worth. Martin Brundle is the only good person on that show.

I agree MB is probably one of the best in the world.

martins grid walks <3333333

I remember I played a F1 manager game like 10+ years ago that featured oldschool names like Damon Hill, Villeneuve and some others I can't recall, but most importantly the commentary was my Martin Brundle. :p
In Holland we have Olav Mol who sometimes makes a mistake but in general it is exciting to listen to him, he has a lot of passion for the sport.

try speedtv. best f1 coverage by far

so is f1 any good now? i stopped watching when mika quit even though i was a schumacher fan.

Its decent. I dont watch every race myself. There are still too few overtakes in my oppinion (alonso being the the most exciting to watch). But the battle for the championship was quite exciting this year, and even more so next year I reckon. Also there are some pretty good drivers, in some of the worse teams, which I sort of hope succeed better next year.

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Hamilton is good, sure, but I think that the overtakes Alonso has done this year was more spectacular =)

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The real news is that something interesting happened in F1!

considering it has been the most boring crap for years now its quite an achivement.

italians do it better 8)
what a great job from ferrari, everything near perfection.
i'm really looking forward to the next year, with less problems for kimi and felipe. we need a very reliable car like the previous years.

and i'm very happy for the little english kid. and for ron dennis and his mcferraren. at least he will not steal any other info from ferrari for quite some time now.

ferrari didnt do as well as mclaren (of whom im not a huge fan anyway) everyone knows it. the whole FIA business was so childish.

Childish? It was serious enough for the biggest fine in sports history (from what I heard anyways).

sure it was a lot of money, doesnt mean the reasoning behind it was pretty tame.

if you consider that they stolen industrial stuff from a competitor, and that the 100M$ fine was the better choice for mclaren (no 2007 and 2008 championship, no sponsors, no opportunity to fight for the drivers championship, etc etc), also in the light that the budget difference between mclaren and spyker is over 100M$, i don't think that the fine was too strong. i think it was too soft.
but i can understand why they did in this way. we had the best drivers championship from ages this year, and everyone were delighted to see great races till the end of the season. but in the end only a ferrari driver deserved the championship.

I agree with you. I've sort of looked at ferrri as a "bad team" in f1. Meaning, if a team was objecting to rule that all the other teams agreed on, it was ferrari. Schumi known as sort of a dirty driver, what team was he on? Ferrarri.

HOWEVER. I think that mclaren deserved that fine. What they did deserved to be penalized and pretty big too. I dont know alot about what the content they got, and how much they helped them. But the punishment they got was probably right.

McFerraren? Like the car was constructed throughout the season?
It was constructed last season. Copy pasting doesn't really work well in engineering. You could try copying a concept tho, but that doesn't say anything about how well it gets along with the rest of the car.
That's why they need to prove that there's no "intellectual property" by Ferrari in their NEXT car NEXT season.

The report even said that there's no proof for Ferrari parts in McLaren cars. Besides, didn't Stepney say that data went both directions?

the ferrari and mclaren are two very different car, no doubt about that.
but you must admit that renault sucked a lot for the michelin->bridgestone transition, and mclaren was simply too good. with all that specs from ferrari they had the opportunity to fine tune their car to obtain the best from the new tires. plain and simple.

Besides, didn't Stepney say that data went both directions?

stepney said a lot of shit from the beginning of this story. he told some crazy stuff also about ross brawn, but the investigation from ferrari proved once again that the only spy in the ferrari team was stepney. in fact ferrari and brawn are still in contact.

F1 SUX, MotoGP ROX.

italians do it better also in the motoGP :D
ducati desmosedici dominated the previous year (too bad for the crash between gibernau and capirossi :\ ) and this year too!
stoner is a very good driver and i hope he will prove himself also the next year. and i'm really looking forward to marco melandri :Q_

btw i'm really pissed of valentino rossi, with all that shit against stoner and ducati "they win olny for the tires... i'm the best... etc"
funny enough ducati 2-3 years ago talked to rossi to take him, but he refused due to the tires... what a moron. and now the next year we could see only one tires supplier thanks to rossi -_-'

Rossi is definitly the greatest MotoGP biker ever. If he was riding on a Honda, he would be champion after half of the championship.

he is a great biker but i don't think that he is the best ever (agostini? doohan?). when he was at honda he had the best motorbike, far superior than his opponents' motorbikes, similar to this year with ducati+stoner. also, i don't think that a honda this year was far superior than a yamaha... maybe only a lil better.
ducati was absolutely superior, not the best handling, but the best engine and the best overall package. still, i think that rossi can win against stoner with the same motorbike, at least for the experience gained during the past years. stoner is just a kid, but he can improve a lot.