You ever heard the proverb "If you chase two rabbits, you will not catch either one."?

thanks, esreality really cares

Amen

so umm what were your PLANSA before willits announced quakcon?

is your soldier76 aim as good as your LG heartless?

:)

i might sound arrogant and pretentious by saying that but, basically, yes :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlgDbTpFYJc

Solider76 is a pretty easy hero considering you've got that OP aimbot ability, but he gets countered pretty easily. He is fun to jam though especialy with this right click rocket bs.

For me I think Tracer is just the most dynamic and fun to play, sucks with the low amount of ammo she has, but the reload is pretty quick and the way you can push and escape is pretty nice.

It's a pretty well rounded game thusfar as it progresses there will be some more balances but so far I can't really knock the game as much because I've put a good few hours into it now and with friends its a good laugh.


Except for Genji and Junkrat spammers, how fucking boring.

ahaha... eat my pineapples. ... i could spam that sht all day.

tracer sux, this endless teleporting shit is very annoying, and you can kill her with your rockets pretty easily (with soldier76). Also she only has 150/150 health.

basically when i meet a tracer i just camp in my healing zone and wait for my rockets to be ready, it works 80+% of the time.

also tracer is like using close range lg, pretty pointless tbh.

soldier76 is the most balanced hero, and because you have to get good consistent tracking everytime, it doesn't make it random and lame.
His ultimate has aimbot ofc it's a bit lame, but it's easily counterable by hidding behind walls etc, and at least it's not a 100% instant kill like mccree's ultimate.

in order to play soldier76 properly you have to get good positioning and you need good long range/med range hitscan aim, it's basically like using lg or hmg in quake. Like i said, it's one of the less random and lame hero, because you have to be consistent in your damages dealing.

Personally i'm only lvl 44 but i'm top25 EU in accuracy and top80 in score ranking (yeah i know it doesn't mean much but still i have like 4x less time played than the people in the top 20) and whenever i play i get gold medals for damages done and kills 90% of my games (even when there are lvl 80-100 in both my team and opponents team).

for me soldier76, angel, lucio and reinhardt (maybe chopper aswell) are the most interesting heroes, become they're not too lame and you need either good game understanding or decent skills to play them properly.

fuck genji and his op ultimate and the fact that he jumps everywhere like a retard, fuck junkrat with his endless spam and lame traps, fuck them all :D

I agree and disagree with your soldier76, I just find him incredibly lackluster and boring to play. As for tracer the up in your face play is awesome, and if you can aim and get headshots she melts pretty much everyone, It's probably just your play style that lacks, I find the 150 Hp okay, except when you get WH camped by a Widowmaker.

disagree with your soldier76, I just find him incredibly lackluster and boring to play.

it's not boring to play when you come from quake and you're a lg/mg heavy player :D

ofc it s boring in a sense that you can't really make 1 shot kills or do air rockets (except in extremely rare cases), i mean like i said, you have to deal damages consistently all the time. It's just pure tracking aim which some people might find boring i agree with you on that :)
but because it's consistent damages dealing and you can't instant kill someone, imho it makes it less random.

As for tracer the up in your face play is awesome, and if you can aim and get headshots she melts pretty much everyone,

Only players at stermy/strenx caliber can be effective with tracer. But as the game goes on, i mean, now the players understand much more how to counter tracer than before during early closed beta. Trust me, i rarely see insane effectiveness with tracer when i play with good players, like i said, it's basically because you have to get really close to your opponent and her hp/ap are a bit too low, means that she can basically get killed with few shots only. Ofc she can regain her hp by doing her special move, but the cooldown is quite high means that you can't do it everytime and you have to do it EXACTLY at the right time. And if you fail, you're dead.
Also getting headshots with tracer is more difficult than you think imho, especially against good players who know how to counter it, i mean even in close range the spread of her double-machinegun is very large and unprecise so even if you aim at the head at least 40+% of the bullets don't hit the hitbox, except on big tank heroes. Also considering the insane ground-accel of this game, aiming at the head consistently is even harder than in quake or CS.

It's probably just your play style that lacks

I agree with you on this one, i'm better at mid/long range than close range. And like i said, i find close range only lg-battles in quake quite stupid actually. I mean the lg is a mid/long range weapon, ofc it can be used at close range but then it's only a matter of if your opponent hits his rockets or not, which means again, pretty random :)

Only players at stermy/strenx caliber can be effective with tracer. But as the game goes on, i mean, now the players understand much more how to counter tracer than before during early closed beta. Trust me, i rarely see insane effectiveness with tracer when i play with good players, like i said, it's basically because you have to get really close to your opponent and her hp/ap are a bit too low, means that she can basically get killed with few shots only. Ofc she can regain her hp by doing her special move, but the cooldown is quite high means that you can't do it everytime and you have to do it EXACTLY at the right time. And if you fail, you're dead.
Also getting headshots with tracer is more difficult than you think imho, especially against good players who know how to counter it, i mean even in close range the spread of her double-machinegun is very large and unprecise so even if you aim at the head at least 40+% of the bullets don't hit the hitbox, except on big tank heroes. Also considering the insane ground-accel of this game, aiming at the head consistently is even harder than in quake or CS.

That's a pretty incredibly condescending post, I'll humour it though. I haven't done any official scrims, however I've played with some very "high skilled" players or level or whatever you call it and my aim and accuracy and success with Tracer is really high. So guess it'll come down to playstyle and compositions of the team.

I'll have to upload some gameplays some time and show you what I mean because some people play Tracer way too aggressively and using the blink back ability in the wrong situations.

i haven't seen the best teams in eu/usa use tracer a lot, if not never. I mean Rogue, Cloud9, EnvyUS etc

NA #2 tracer acc guy here =)
http://masteroverwatch.com/leaderboards/pc/us/hero/7/accuracy

since i still cant find a good team, i cant really tell.
but when i play quick play i often rape them as tracer.
like, when you get used to it, tracer has chances to win 1 vs 3 or even 4.
soldier 76 wont nerver win 1v3, but he is a good and consistent hero.

i like both.

to be ok/good at tracer, i dont think you really need the super precise tracking aim because of her gun's spread.

the important thing is,
using blink to control the range based on enemy heros and outplay them.
when you shoot, you want to be in very close range (like right next to your opponent) and try to aim their heads so they will die quickly.

like, when you get used to it, tracer has chances to win 1 vs 3 or even 4.

maybe online against "random" people. But on LAN against a skilled team, no way.

the problem with tracer is that it's a very predictable character, and basically you have to play on your own, i mean going behind the enemies defences and spam your teleport shit.
But with voice com and LAN environment it's easy to counter tracer because you instantly give the informations to your team m8s, and you adapt accordingly.

the only skill that tracer has that can maybe kill 3 or 4 people is her ultimate. But it's not the only hero that can do that :)

and also soldier76 on the other hand is more polyvalent, because he's pretty good at long range, very very good at mid range and not so bad at close range because of healing + rockets.
So you can move together with your team (especially behind reinhardt's shield) and spam the others heroes behind it, with tracer it's probably useless to do that.

i wont talk about the details here, but
1)
you dont have to play on your own as tracer,
you can play on your own though =)
2)
you can win 1v3 without a bomb, but just with pistols, blinks and rewind.
but you need skills to do that.

you can win 1v3 without a bomb, but just with pistols, blinks and rewind.
but you need skills to do that.

then you can win 1v3 with any character as long as you got the skill ;)

I don't think you actually understand the fully dynamic of the potential the character has.

Predictable you say? Tracer is a play maker in regards to aggression. You see a Reinhart with it's shield up you can blink right through it and get into the position of the squishy support hero's

Her main ability is very situation heavy and is really awesome to be used to get the enemy off of objectives if you know the enemy is tanking the shit out of it. quick triple blink in, drop the ulti to a rewind and then you can make your way back in and force the attack.

I think with a LAN environment it'll be even better to choose her as one of the pushers to be able to disjoint a team, especially if the communication is on point.

It'll be interesting to see what teams come up with and it's probably just down to people and the comfort with the character (hero)

I see soldier76 as the clan arena LG master hang back and do damage all the time kind of hero

Where Tracer is the aggressive dueler constantly in your face like av3k and cypher if we want to try to relate it to quake somewhat.

I spam a shit ton during the game as tracer so accuracy is kind of a farce in the game.

But going off of my best game stats.

BEST IN ONE GAME
16
FINAL BLOWS
37
ELIMINATIONS
15
KILLSTREAK
12,166
DAMAGE DONE
18
OBJECTIVE KILLS
106
OBJECTIVE TIME
87%
ACCURACY

I'd say my average is about 45% and about 7-8k damage.

So I think I'm pretty consistent with character.

you are missing an important info, what kind of map was it? objective based or payload?

cos if you play 3 rounds in illios or nepal you can easily beat your averages in the other maps

90 percent of my games have been payload - so escorting the vehical, if it's obj based I generally play the more tanky hero's for holding down the objs like roadhog or if I just wanna hang back I'll spam rockets with Pharah

i have 46 eliminations and 24 killstreak and something like 18K damages with soldier76 :D

but i don't want to compare dicks there :p so whatever

when i talk about tracer effectiveness i talk mainly about LAN between the best teams in the world.

I'm talking about general player/style not relating to competive/LAN due that there have been like 1-2 tournies?

yeah, you're right, but still, i'm pretty sure that the best LAN teams are also dominating online :D

Whats your clan?
Because doing wr elimination on a pub game is very different to be efficient in a comp game.
You could do it with tracer in a pub (maybe better than other heroes), but still tracer could be useless in a comp

are you sure you replied to the right person ? :D

and yes ofc i agree with you! :)

I could use soldier in that sentence, it's the same :)

i've seen the best team in france and in the world using soldier76 in comps :)

I'm talking about general player/style not relating to competive/LAN due that there have been like 1-2 tournies?

I have 49 eliminations and 23850 damage done as tracer lol
http://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/us/kukkii-1763/heroes/7

that's amazing dude!

keep it up ;)

I hope that with even more practice you'll be able to reach 50+ elims. I've already seen someone doing 50 elims (and 25 kills with rockets) with soldier76 :D

haha yeah, one of my friend (who is also good at tracer) has 59 eliminations as tracer lol.
http://masteroverwatch.com/profile/pc/us/Stone-1502/heroes/7

59 :O

amazing

How have you nearly played 1k games? D: Jesus haha

I can do it while I have a full time job + wife =)

The finals of the weekly gosugamers tournament. Literally 10 out of the 12 players ended up playing tracer. So Yeah i think it's highly effective when you do it right.

Even tracer alone if played correctly turns the game.

Just her being annoying as shit in the back messing with your healer for 10 seconds is all it takes a lot of the time.

It's not all about kills and damage. It isn't supposed to be.

The finals of the weekly gosugamers tournament.

what were the teams playing ? Is it some kind of "major event" ?

Gale force and Nubris

it was only for the last few minutes, but it was a cluster fuck of a watch.

http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/tournamen...-vs-nubris

are gale force and nubris at the same lvl as cloud9 / rogue / envyus / teamliquid etc ?

and you said it was only for the last few minutes, and if almost everyone was playing with tracer, i think it was more of a "troll tactic/strategy" than anything else.

also, at major lan events, picking up more than once the same hero is forbidden, you're not allowed to have more than 1 tracer per team.

Ye, soldier is boring after first hours, it's like lg camping on mega spot, good to start, sprint, healing skill, but too much "standard" gamestyle. Still a very good character, but basic.
Mcree needs more position knowledge of the maps, spamrat is very relaxing and fun as 2nd-3rd pick

it's because it's a basic character that i like soldier76 a lot :)

most of the others heroes are just weird to play, with lot of 'gimmicks'.

I'm bored of OW now, only 6v6 scrims are interesting to play for me purely for the teamwork involved.

Game is very gimmicky, but the 'skill' in proper scrims/tournament games against other good teams is all about coordinating attacks or retreats with your team and combining ults.

I usually fill the tank role in the team but occasionally play genji. Usually ends up with two rein tanks in front of each other, with 1 flanker for each team trying to annoying from behind and one of the teams initiating.

It's very straight forward and predictable and not very challenging, but there is still heaps of room for improvement when you're talking about collective teamwork and timing everything together properly and being in the right positions.

I'm going to be holding out for QC, saving up some money for new hardware to play QC as smoothly as possible :)

Big thumbs up 👍👍👍 I just hope it's not a long wait like it was for Doom.. Does anyone have an approx. time release of QC? That's what we need now!!! 😊

dunno about the release, but they did mention beta in 2017 somewhere, ... i think.

http://www.shaftesburytourism.co.uk/

why not zarya?:)

she's ugly, fat, slow and lg range is ridiculously short

i don't like her secondary fire either

"I was planning on becoming an 100% overwatch player"

Dude, just what's wrong with you? I thought you became chill lately. : /

ahha :D

well, if quake champions weren't announced and confirmed quake would be dead in approx 6 months/1 year.
I mean not COMPLETELY dead but would've probably end-up like warsow.

Don't get me wrong, i love quake and i try to support it as much as i can (1st by playing it a lot), but what's the point of playing a dead game ?

OW is very popular and has some quake elements to it, and you can move and shoot at the same time :) (unlike games like CS:GO for example)

soldier76 is the only hero i'm playing because it basically works the same as if you had an hmg and super fast rockets. And everyone knows that hmg works the same as mg and lg. And ofc i'm an lg-heavy player. So, soldier is actually pretty fun to play for me.

That said after reaching lvl 44 i'm starting to get a bit bored of OW. That's why its been like 1 week now that i didn't play ow and played quake only :)

anyway, Quake Champions is probably the best thing that happened to quake for a long time. I'm 200% looking forward to it, and i'm super hypped :)

Roadhog, best hero ever, just hang around and hook/blast people. Now he is a super fun bastard to play.

q:D

roadhog is ok

actually almost all tanks heroes are ok.

i love playing against roadhog with junk at close range .... a little tricky, but doable.

Good fun always, just tactical spamming with junkrat.

yep, although positioning is very importnat for spamming to be effective.

junkrat is one of the most stupid hero i've ever seen

what's the point of spamming nades 24/7 ?

only his ultimate is interesting

besides the only character with "rocketjumping" ...
he can clear a payload, not always kill, but you can remove enemys from a certain spot
he can deny access to a point -it happend that i blasted the enemy away from the overtime zone before he entered the zone, thus no overtime.

You can even kill pharah/sniper with blastbomb or with blastjump + skill with projectiles.

Blastjumps also gives you aircontrol, so you can make fast turns.

and shit load of spam and frags if you place your trap, bomb and spamm in a tight corridor like anubis tunnel, or holywood ... so many positions.

also junk is very effective against bastion and turrets.

... so yeah quite fun char to play.

About the ulti, it became quite hard to use, cuz folks figured it out, that it has 100 hp and is ez to kill. You have to be very fucking sneaky about it and trying to use it while enemys is occupied with your team m8s. Its cool for removing pushing tanks 1 shot everything but the raging monkey. Though i still havent learned how to climb walls, like really tall walls.

Most best/multiple kills i do with ulti is when i manage to come in from vertical position. So its out of enemy FOV, but even if enemy spreads the AOE of the blast is so large its easy to get 3 sometimes even 4 kills.

in a away, junk has the most similarity to my quake CA experience defrag/movment and air shots. :D

I love taking out u bastards with reaper and tracer.

"I was planning on becoming an 100% overwatch player"

it sounds so disgusting ....... i wish it was "I was planning on becoming an 100% GAY" at least or "i was planning on becoming 100% thunderstruck Clanarena LG-only 1v1 player" - even this more acceptable tbh

"i was planning on becoming 100% thunderstruck Clanarena LG-only 1v1 player"

actually its been like 1 year or more that i play much more 2v2 CA all weapons on all small ca maps than i play 1v1 lg only :)