Yesterday dumb Bob destroyed my fancy iPhone in beautiful Denver, Colorado.

Pharton Madique.

tbh, you shouldnt find it funny - these 'noob casual games' are encroaching further and further into what used to be DM game territory - and they are doing really well with it. seriously, what do DM games still have left to offer?

I'm almost afraid cypher is going to move on to CoD

Just goes to show that those early DM games were just ahead of their time. When Halo was taking the crown as the goto DM game I was so ofended. PC already had better games like Quake, Tribes, Unreal... which were all way better than Halo. Just took the Halo generation 10+ years to catch up.

The funny thing I was alluding too is the fact that it all came back around again... it just took much longer than I thought.

One think I think classic DM style games still offer that games like COD don't is a mix of weapons on the battlefield. You just end up with 90% of people using the same assult rifle. You're missing the choice to quickly change up your strategy on the fly depending on what's happening. You have to wait to change your class.

I agree a bit with that - the weapon diversity is a big differentiator. i dont think they are really leveraging that though, instead the 'new' DM games coming out are all just looking to update gfx and maybe some matchmaking/cosmetics. just goes to show how far they've fallen behind...

Fallen behind? Having same weapons as in q3 is better than having 100 useless pew pews that doesn't change the way you play the game.
Weapons are situational where in CoD there is one weapon and one situation over and over again.

Yeah I find it amusing how people get upset when a COD or COD like game doesn't have as many weapons as another one. What does it matter when 99% won't be used anyway.. and like you said most of them are just variations of the exact same mechanic.

Imagine if there where 20 different lightning guns... guess what would happen. We'd figure out which one was the best and everyone would just use that.

Then on the flip side if everyone did end up using all 20 then as a defender you have little lintel on which one they have until it's too late. I'm pretty sure COD does this on purpose in order to make everyone a winner/loser at some point.

Or like in battlefield where they have 500 assault rifles that you will never use. Seriously they couldn't have added some more of them?

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Battlefield_4

haha yeah what's the point in putting in all that design and development time for that. I much rather have a game with 12 guns that are very useful and balanced.

Sounds like someone needs to make a gun simulator for people who care about that.

when i say fallen behind, i wasnt implying that there should be lots of different weapon types - generally speaking i think that the hard rock paper scissor'ing of DM weaponsets is a good thing.

however, no further iteration has been done on the weapons, gametypes, movement or other gameplay elements. all we are left with is a graphical overhaul and maybe a gimmick or two (like in Wickland). when these existing elements are proven losers when it comes to wider appeal (unlike CS for instance where the longstanding popularity and big player base can justify doing something like that) what hope is there for a revival?

I think there is definitely a market and potential for an altogether different type of FPS game - something derived from DM/quake might be able to satisfy some of these demands but a straight copy? thats almost certainly a waste of time and money - there simply isnt any interest in that...