#freezhu

#FreeBeer

If this is asking whether I think zhu should be able to sign up and attend, by all means. Whether he is allowed to participate or not is a different matter and will be up to admin's decision.

see edit.

see edit run.

run edit run.

Only if he's just temporarily unbanned for this DHW.

i'm good with parole.

Once upon a time, a very long time ago now, about last Friday, Winnie-the-Pooh lived in a forest all by himself under the name of Sanders.

Expected [img1]. Am disappoint.

Then I can open place in this he got upon forest of is he the means somethis: Isn't its making. You does?

Its all of has can.

winnie the Vo0*

someone major this i want a broad voter spectrum

zhu wants a broad

zhu wants a brah, duh.

nice

yes

only cuz of his gf situation

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felt it

hug meh brah

zhu just mirin coz we can play the game and he cant. U MAD BRO?

he claims he can beat half the field and being beat by an ex cheat could sting so voted yes for entertainment purposes.

This.

I wish we had a reaction shot on jamerio when he sees that zhu is unbanned.

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You keep posting this video like it means something, for all everyone knows you could have cheated and be playing back a demo and pretending to play and with you being banned from quake, that's not an unfair statement.

Your inability to recognize this and continued attempt to somehow make out it does not exist is what should keep you banned.

Its not that someone does not deserve a second chance, its that you don't because you've not been graceful in your punishment and tried to make a nuisance of yourself to try and deal with that.

Personally, I hope you stay banned as your distress amuses me.

Good map control and movement! Now i'm really intrigued to know what your real level is; you could be a nice addiction to the actual pro players pool, that is becoming thinner and thinner.
But for starting, you could start behaving like a semi-sober person, at least, and cutting down some free craziness.

I'm SO incredibly pleased that YouTube recommended this video as one related to your QL gameplay. That MUST be worth a plus.

I am sure you could beat a few guys but the point is that noone gives a fvck about you.

You cheated.

Unbanning you would be a bad message for all the other cheaters out there.

It already happened with ZeroQL.
At least Zhu could be able to provide great entertainment, as he has showed to be higly skilled.

Voted yes just because yes is winning and with my additional +1 yes the result of this vote will obviously be final and a form of empirical evidence to getting zhu unbanned and admitted into the dreamhacke QL masters tournament.

H1tllersen?

Is this like that time someone from ESR got invited to a Q4 LAN?

This is exactly like that!

I wonder who you could be talking about.

Is Zhu the guy who makes my ESR be filled with "Ignored user threads"?

Yes.

I have the same problem.

zhu should compete in shutting up and moving along.

Who?

First time I've ever come across that name.

Nope, nope.... actually.... NOPE!

Depends on sign ups IMO. I don't think it would be fair if zhu gets his spot on the expense of one of new up and coming duel player who are dedicated, someone like 'sothis' for example (just used sothis as an example since he mentioned in another thread that he is interested to attend and he has yet to receive an invite).
If the choice comes down to be between zhu and some random swede who came to spec and wasn't even planning on playing at all then I have no problem with it.

I do not see how it would be possible to let him attend if he's still banned from QL though. If a certain player has been banned from the game itself (for cheating in a competition with prize money on the line) then I do not think a certain tournament admin should be able to by-pass his official ban.

So while in theory I have no problem with zhu competing on lan their are certain issues that I believe cannot just be overlooked.

Just use him as a backup. He already said he'd go no matter he played or not. And people always drop out last minute to be replaced by 1200 elo Swedes. So having Zhu as a replacement would be a good idea. But first we need to...

#freezhu

it wouldn't be the first time someone banned does this, and Zhu is on another level of skills.
He could bring way more than ZeroQL to us.

Is zhu shadowmaster155?

naah, no parole.

Isn't it supposed to be a serious website ?

This guy doesn't deserve half of the attention he's been receiving. If you really want to do him a favour, set up a Paypal page for people to donate so he can finally afford the shrink and the therapy he needs. No hate involved whatsoever, but this is seriously getting ridiculous.

Isn't it supposed to be a serious website ?

you must have a giant folder with random pictures named "for classic ESR moments" so tired of plussing your shit.

that giant folder is called google images

is that on my c drive?

Haha, I know right!

lmao what

Oh, hello.

i'm stashing that image to use next time there's a post relating to the player leakleakleak

People have given up on that idea.

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Yes, or you could need a lot of shrinks.

stopped reading after serious

didn't readed

fuck it why not

voted yes cause i'm tired of this "i'm so good" and "unban me" bullshit, go to dh, show us what you got or gtfo.

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freezhu

makie on probation pls

almost plussed heartsomething

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Why public poll? I personally have no problems to say that i'm interested to see how good would you be against the pros, but a lot of other peoples could feel ashamed to vote yes and scared of what others could think of them.
I don't see a particular reason to justify making it a public poll.

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^3 ZHU ZHU ZHU

This site has become a barren land with tumbleweed going over. I remember when this site was more than just a safehaven for attention-starved faggots.

the biggest problem is that esr lost a lot of dedicated contributors 5 years ago, and there weren't any replacements from the community to fill the void. what we're left with now are people who feel entitled to entertainment and content, but lack that contributory spirit that drove the success of the first half of esr's life.

how do we renew that contributory spirit?

who wants to write? who wants to review hardware? who wants to review games? who wants to format news for counter-strike and starcraft, so that the site isn't limited to quake lineage? who wants to talk about lol, dota2, etc.? if we find out who WANTS to, we have to ask who is qualified to generate respectable content.

the internet allows all these tiny subcultures to form their own little bubbles that never interact. it's pointless to have one warsow post once every 5 months when the warsow community is totally isolated from esr every day in between.

but diversity is necessary for a healthy ecosystem. it's a problem that is on my mind a lot lately, but i'm so damn busy in my life that it seems i never have time to really sit down to address it.

there's not enough interest on esr for covering games other than quake.

hey mens why dont you code in some chess app into ESR so users can play chess with eachother amirite, with its own elo ladder and all that shit

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it's almost over. don't give up.

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what if he's a real person who registered just to vote? you're now a value to esr, because you're attracting new users. good work.

just delete pls

it's out of my hands, now. only god can judge you. may he have mercy on your scandalous soul.

alright it is about 60 to 40 i dont expect any changes, what do we make out of this?

the people has spoken
=> unban + invite

the people are 60 40 thats not overwhelming if you ask me

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Wow, i'm surprised how many actually supports zhu in this. Wtf

At first I voted yes because of the entertainment potential in seeing zhu at DH but now I'm contemplating changing my vote to no because of the entertainment I get from watching him cry about how I betray him. This is no easy choice!

Oh btw.. He may or may not have registered more accounts to vote yes himself. Allegedly maybe perhaps.

so now beating a good player at some random pub game makes you good enough? :<

1st. i wanna see all those videos they are talking about in the news that made them consider this.

2nd. i want zhu to make a video crying (literally) asking to be free and how depressed he is and how he's in a life or dead situation now because of quake.

3rd. only then i will vote yes.

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Your exactly what i mean, and average player washed up that will never be good enough to be there with the best.

Everyone knows that beating player A or B at a pub with a fakenick is nothing to be proud of, and doesn't mean sh*t.
Going to sites bragging about it just makes you look even worst.

The only guy i know that used to tryface at pubs was strenx, and if u show me a video of u beating him i will apologize.

Anyways, i think you should rethink your strategies, since your cheat episode you've been bullied around and maybe you like it, since you expose yourself to ridicule situations, but if you don't you should really try to change this.

Like me, i don't really hate your or something, i just felt the need to take 5 min of my day to make fun of someone. Cya later man, hope your dreams come true.

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anyone in the world?! now that's dellusional, even for you.

Why don't you waste your time doing something else.. like losing your virginity or something, your done in quake move along!

*you're

This poll should never even be happening. Furthermore, to consider its results for id would be hypocritical. Quake is about pure competition, and this thread shows that you guys put entertainment first. Many of you come here for the lulz you might say, but that's not an excuse to choose entertainment in a direct confrontation.

#FreeHe4rtl3ss

Heartless is actually allowed to compete if i am not mistaken.

Is Quakelive so dead now that you have to bring back banned cheaters to get any games going?

It would be interesting to hear a proper motivation to why people want to see him at DH. Is it because of his uncontested raw natural talant or for the lulz? If it's because of his talant, then fair enough, if it's for the lulz, I would suggest you consider trying to find another victim for your amusement.

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Why find another victim... He must want to be ridiculed otherwise a person even with just an iq of 40 would not post the things he posts!

He is probably suffering from some medical condition with a slice of mythomania incorporated. If having the most idiotic comments is a qualifying requirement for the DH tournament then by all means let him play! Otherwise just let him sit in his parents basement and be delusional thinking he is the best player in the world at every game he tries !

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The description above is pretty accurate. Don't you have anything better to reply with than that I should be on drugs, which if course is completely inaccurate, as always when it comes to you. You certainly have some sort of medical condition don't you? Also, do you object to my comment about you being compulsive liar?

Oh sorry, you think you are trolling. Let me inform you that when you constantly lie to your internet "friends" day in and day out, it's not trolling. It's lying and people that lie all time is in fact mythomaniacs.

And I don't see why you would be welcome back to quake. You were average and cheated to play with the best. Also, the games are not what they used to be. You coming back now will not prove anything. All the good players, most of them at least, don't play anymore and you even if you were to do good now, you were still mediocre in the prime time. Sorry to say this dude, regardless of what you may think yourself you are still only a mediocre player and had to cheat to try to get people to think you were good. I can't find a single reason to let you play again. Except for the amusement of course. Unfortunately, you are not as amusing as you may think.

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If I'm full of bullshit maybe you can be a good boy and point out where I'm mistaken. Are you saying that you do not lie and "troll" all the time Mr I have 0.1 Billions on the bank?

Or are you saying that you did beat Strenx, Cooller, Av3k, Rapha, Cypher, Dahang, K1llsen, Stermy, Toxjq and fox at their best on stream?

I'm pretty certain we all would know about that by now if that were the case. If not, look you are lying again. Otherwise you have just beaten public heroes on a public server in a game that is dying or am i wrong ?

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I just took 10 players from the top of my head, and im confident that if we speak top 10 players in this game at their peak av3k surly is beating out both p0ni and pavel! Sure you can have evil instead of fox if u want, and take away stermy. Still wont change that you have infact not beaten any of these players in a try hard game (or without WH)! If you had esr would have been flooded with zhumade videos!

Im not speaking about who the top ten is right now at the moment, like i said that is not so intresting cuz the game is dying. Im just saying that you would not stand a chance against any of these if they have been training!

When you were banned you were not good enough to play with the best and I can only assume that was the reason for your cheating. You despreatly want to be acknowledged as a amazing quake player and since you couldn't be that by your own play, you had to cheat. Unfortunately you were caught and banned for that. Realize that you were never anything but a decent player with a loud voice crying to be heard and recognized. Why don't you just move on to a game and a community where you haven't dragged your name into the dirt (yet)!

You are giving me far to much credit, i have only played CA vs noobs for 4 years!

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Reminds me of time when W:ET community started to rot.

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I can have a personal opinion and still choose to listen to poll results that may not match my opinion.

But to the point, I think allowing him to play in a professional competitive tournament is even worse than unbanning him. As I've noted many times in the past zeroql for example was unbanned, but I still advise that no serious organization allow him to participate in their event.

I don't feel that players who play in competition and have been caught cheating, should be allowed to potentially win money. I think they've lost that right the moment they cheated.

I'd love to have a parole system added that allowed cheaters a path towards redemption, but I don't think that should involve letting them win money that is up for grabs by community members who have chosen the right path of playing legit.

I can have a personal opinion and still choose to listen to poll results that may not match my opinion.

I don't think zhu will be unbanned and allowed to play because of the poll, despite the possibility of following it if you want to:

1.- The decision is solely yours and the poll isn't mandatory.

2.- Your personal opinion is to not unban him (been for the past two years) and in any case refuse allowing him to play at competitions (replied to post). The poll is about both points.

3.- In the only known case of a personality getting unbanned it was because of your personal opinion, completely against what the community thought at that point (zeroql was at least three times the offender zhu was), which is the opposite of your first paragraph about following the poll.

4.- The poll isn't as clear as the general opinion in zeroql's case. With zhu it is 56 to 44%, whereas with zeroql I don't remember there was a poll but had there been one the results would have been clear, lets say 25 to 75%..


I'm writing this so zhu doesn't get his hopes up. I think he should just do what other former cheaters do, which is circumventing the ban and not cheat again. That allows him to play pubs and competitions, doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't hurt the game as a whole, though it means not being public about what his new alias is.

It was mainly because of ZeroQL's precedent that the poll was as close as it is.

I thought it was because everyone wanted to see shit happen. Drama is what keeps this small community together and alive. If not for jamerio, zhu, hitsu and a few others esr and quake would be dead.

Hitsu isn't really that bad. He just have short patience and is a bit of a av3k fanboy.

I thought it was because everyone wanted to see shit happen.

Sure, if some cheater got unbanned, why not unban another just for the entertainment of the mob? ;)

With zhu it is 56 to 44%

Correction: 108 players voted "yes".

There's multitude of ESR users like myself who ignore this poll to show how we don't appreciate even joking about unbanning cheaters.

There's multitude of QL players who never visit ESR but have very strong opinion on cheaters.

Real life elections/referendums/citizen petitions always have minimum turnout requirement for this reason. What's the turnout here? 0,1% of active QL players? Laughable :)

(By a funny coincidence, Warsaw had a vote to abolish our president last weekend and we've also "voted" by not attending so the minimum turnout wasn't met.)

The "multitude ESR users whoi ignore this poll" is not applicable in this case. This poll is quite representative of this small site that includes the global quake community, with 182 votes.
http://www.esreality.com/?a=polls

"The multitude of QL players who never visit ESR" will not know about zhu's unban, therefore don't care. Same happens with voting map pools and best fragmovie of the year.

99.9% of players won't be affected by the decision, which makes it different than real life elections in which everyone is even if they don't vote. That means in zhu's case there isn't a minimum votes requirement.

rather far fetched i would say...

Let's sort out this parole system then, wooooh.

Well said!

We never intend to let cheaters play at Dreamhack Sync. Cheers //Dreamhack admin

Bullshit, strenx is playing at dreamhack.


Hypocrite.

Last time I checked he wasent banned in Quakelive atleast

Hahahahaha.

The thing is it takes Armstrong to have cheated his whole career while robbing the Tour de France titles off potentially other legit riders to get permbanned. Cyclism is much more professionally framed and has strong entities which try and vote for impartial and somewhat right (in terms of justice) decisions.

Quake isn't as big as cyclism and even if zhu had been cheating to win 2 DH's, 3 Quakecon and 1 IEM, it would still not be as big a deal as cheating in a sport such as cyclism.

My point is, not every cheater in cyclism gets permabanned from competing. It took a 5 (?) times winner of Tour de France cheating his whole career to see him banned permanently from competition, and that happened when his career was over anyway...

I think everybody deserves a second chance. I'm not going along those who have this very controversial opinion that those who have cheated once and have been caught are more inclined to cheat again. Quite the opposite in my opinion. Those who have been caught are more likely to not reiterate unless they have no self-esteem or enjoy beeing rejected to the point of masochism.

WORD

btw cyclism? :D

Yes, cyclist are usually banned one or two years if they got caught.
For Contador it was even less if I remember correctly.

but what if zhu cheats on lan? like what if he has this small earpiece with an accomplice telling him where his opponent is or timing items for him? what if he takes betablockers or whatever the fuck it is that gives him an unfair advantage? what if he gives his opponents light food poisoning the night before the games? what if he takes home dollas or even wins after doing all that? WHAT IF


I should totally make a film about that

They don't get permabanned cos then there wouldn't be any pro-cyclists left.

I thought you were talking about strenx at the beggining. Keepo

"The thing is it takes Armstrong to have cheated his whole career while robbing the Tour de France titles off potentially other legit riders "

Anyone who rides in the Tour de France is not legit, lol.

hey. i don't disagree with you about competition, and it's great that you voted about how you feel and point out that it doesn't necessarily sway your behavior as ql team member.

i just want to say that i thought it would be fun to see zhu practice before dreamhack, stream actively, and, even if he's not permitted to play in the tournament, to at least be in practiced form to play games with high level players (edit: on lan). the point was: give him time to practice, give the community something to talk about and a way to form their own personal expectations, and then let this thing work itself out with all the people paying attention, waiting for their expectations to be tested. it's kind of like a tv show, except it's a real person who wants the attention, and a game that can benefit from somebody with personality giving it free advertisement on youtube. :)

[23:10] <Zhu> its like some magic u know
[23:10] <Zhu> like half of the people who approve of me now
[23:10] <Zhu> used to despise me
[23:10] <Zhu> its true
[23:10] <brandan> but there's one really important fact
[23:10] <brandan> most people don't respond at all
[23:11] <brandan> whether they approve or disapprove
[23:11] <Zhu> no this is what it is
[23:11] <Zhu> there are more haters that respond
[23:11] <Zhu> than the ones who approve
[23:11] <Zhu> me
[23:11] <Zhu> you've noticed that right?
[23:11] <brandan> it's deeper than that
[23:11] <brandan> it's about the type of people who respond
[23:11] <brandan> most people don't respond because they don't care
[23:11] <brandan> it's really not that big of a deal
[23:12] <Zhu> yeah
[23:12] <brandan> there's a trend in any forum
[23:12] <brandan> or newspapers
[23:12] <brandan> anything, where negative, critical people are loud
[23:12] <Zhu> my point was just that
[23:13] <Zhu> i just have alot less haters than i used to have
[23:13] <brandan> that's true
[23:13] <Zhu> then *
[23:13] <brandan> you do less annoying stuff, too, apparently
[23:13] <Zhu> cause
[23:13] <brandan> i don't know, i always liked your videos and thought they're just you being funny
[23:13] <Zhu> i used to be all about trolling, just messing
[23:13] <Zhu> yeah that was the reason
[23:13] <Zhu> but i felt at the time
[23:13] <Zhu> i'll never get unbanned
[23:13] <Zhu> then somehow i got hopes frmo somewhere
[23:13] <Zhu> and i became a bit more serious
[23:14] <Zhu> you know
[23:14] <brandan> yeah, desperation makes people bheave strangely
[23:14] <Zhu> its all because i have so much love for the game
[23:14] <Zhu> im even doing this shit
[23:14] <brandan> it's like when you're breaking up in a relationship
[23:14] <brandan> or in fear for your life
[23:14] <brandan> morals and philosophy go away
[23:14] <brandan> and instinct kicks in
[23:14] <Zhu> y
[23:14] <Zhu> being away from quake made me realised how much i really loved it
[23:14] <brandan> i think it would be funny
[23:14] <Zhu> and its not the same with any other game
[23:15] <brandan> if you did get unbanned
[23:15] <brandan> and cheated again
[23:15] <brandan> tbh
[23:15] <Zhu> yeah but id never do that
[23:15] <brandan> that would be the ultimate 'troll' to me
[23:15] <Zhu> it would be crazy
[23:15] <Zhu> but no
[23:15] <brandan> like literally first day bein gunbanned streamed yourself playing
[23:15] <brandan> with wallhack on
[23:15] <Zhu> hhaha
[23:15] <Zhu> it would be funny though
[23:15] <Zhu> but never worth it
[23:15] <Zhu> :D
[23:15] <Zhu> all the struggle
[23:15] <Zhu> never gonna throw it away
[23:15] <Zhu> if i get back

whoever votes no in this is a sad git

git commit -m "no"

git add /home/zhu/
git commit -m "yes"
git push (zhu to DH)

git rm /home/zhu/
git commit --amend

The more posts I read from him, the more I'm glad to have voted no

These are the reasons why Zhu did get so many yes votes in this poll.

1. Because of what happend with zeroql
2. He is actually really good at the game
3. Because of his strong personality causing alot of drama and funny stuff.


This is just what i think, I can't see any other cheater getting this many yes-votes.

strong personality

lolca

Hi zhu nice to meet you!

A solution could be to allow him to compete at dreamhack, and at dreamhack only, without unbanning him;
Also not allowing him to receive moneys, instead redistributing those moneys to other players etc..
I think he'd still be willing to play.

A solution would be him streaming his suicide in a very dramatic way and consequently putting quakelive into the map by the media showing it all over the world.

That would make him famous aswell which would be an achievement for such an attention whore, since he could spend all his life playing and wouldn't achieve such status, due to lack of natural talent and damaged braincells.

So if you really love the game Zhu, do it please, for us and for quake!

Unban him if he can spit a few rhymes about his cruel fate:
The Notorious Z.H.U. - Zhuicidal Thoughts

voted yes because its a lan and nobody is dumb enough to try out something there, for online however; no mercy no quarter.

I feel like he could probably be unbanned by now if it weren't for his fantastic douchery and whining - usually that shouldn't affect a judgement on ban/unban, but after so much douche/whine for so long, I think that's all that's really in debate now.

That being said, cheating is SO FREAKING DUMB and pointless that I feel like if you do it, you deserve to be banned for life. Go play Q3 if you really need a Quake fix, Zhu.

Who is this brandan dude and why is he supporting zhu like his life depends on it?

You zhu's boyfriend? Did he hire you as an attorney? I would really like to know..

Maybe zhu is sending him death threats?

Random troll who just happens to have some authority here.

lets facey: even murderers get out of prison (EU at last).

Everybody deserves a second chance!

other murderers get executed (u.s. at last)

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I said "even" ;)

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at least murderers do something substantial

why him ? what he ever did for the community ? zeroql should be ubanned before this CHEATER NOBODY

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Zeroql was unbanned .. and zeroql IS a cheater and will ALWAYS be. He should never been unbanned, and the fact that he said he used to it to test implies he was looking for financial gain .. which is even worse than what zhu did.

The log between zeroql and syncerror makes it look like quake is a joke..

They should both be thrown into a dark place and never to be seen again!

Are you always this much of a bitter fucker?

Hes not bitter, the whole zeroql story is.

Well i was talking about his other posts to. Like hoping zhu kills himself and he seems serious about it. That's why i am asking.

Like you wouldn't pay to see something like that..

but zhu should be trhown there with them at least :P

He's already in a very dark place.. have you ever seen his videos? :(

lol.

hu iz zhu?

Bumpy bump

Ahh, you're the reason this thread is on the top of my list again.

god I remember this shit storm lol

I think its a definet YES after he cum'sd back!