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Question about QL/Q3 physics (VQL,PQL) (10 comments)

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Posted by p0ffer @ 16:56 CDT, 2 September 2016 - iMsg

Hello,

I am a Quake Live player and I am currently having a blast since summer. Anyway I would like to ask you the following:

About QL racing, I noticed that some tricks are impossible in QL but possible to complete in QIII Arena.
I would like to know whats changed in the movement physics (commands etc) - even some strafe pads are not possible in QL although they ain't so hard in QIII (for exampe cos1_beta7b strafe pads are doable till Red I in QL). I've also noticed some wierd things happening with ramps and jump pads.
Is there anyway to replicate the same physics of QIII to QL in custom games?

Thanks a lot.

*Bonus question: are there any plans for racing in QC?

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<< Comment #1 @ 01:22 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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Wild shot in the dark here, but if there really is a difference in the physics, I would attribute it to possibly a lack of snaps in QL.

Are you playing cos1 on defrag with cgaz hud?

<< Comment #5 @ 11:38 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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p0ffer - Reply to #1

Well I am not exactly sure whats happening, thats why I would like an answer from maybe Syncerror, he should know.
And nope I am not playing defrag at all, only QL, but they are much easier to complete in defrag as I ve tested it.
You can test yourself in the circle jump room and immediately feel the difference between Q3 and QL, max doable is red II in QL which is super hard to do, but much easier in Q3.

<< Comment #2 @ 02:50 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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lithz

Most of the fucked up shit in QL is because of the increase in step height no doubt. I have no idea why u get a random insane height from a simple double jump.

Edited by lithz at 02:50 CDT, 3 September 2016

<< Comment #4 @ 11:38 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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p0ffer - Reply to #2

Still doesn't make sense why all tricks are harder, cuz u basically step higher and jump higher.

<< Comment #10 @ 04:05 CDT, 4 September 2016 >>

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lithz - Reply to #4

It might be because of that very reason also that tricks are harder, if the stepheight is higher, then you obviously land earlier. As for the jump higher, do you mean as in double jump?

The physics are just beyond fucked, it's unexplainable! :P

<< Comment #3 @ 03:37 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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Anonymous (155.4.128.144)

Quake Live Update - October 26, 2010 - Changed Stepheight from 18 to 22.
In Q3 Max step height = 18
In Q3 jump velocity = 270. QL = 275
+ pmove cvars

<< Comment #6 @ 11:39 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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p0ffer - Reply to #3

I ve tried setting step height and jump velocity to Q3 values and makes things even harder, so it must be something else. Because step height and jump velocity are slightly buffed in QL.

<< Comment #7 @ 19:56 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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inspectre - Reply to #6

Keep in mind that Q3 physics are framerate dependent, while QL physics are framerate independent. You can't directly compare settings related to movement for this reason. I'm pretty sure 125 fps in Q3 increases jump height, distance, etc. compared to the default value.

There was a post on here or the old quakelive.com forums about an fps value for Q3 that would feel like QL; can't really remember it though � 85 or 333?

I'd recommend reaching out to someone in the defrag community (q3df.org) for more details.

<< Comment #8 @ 20:56 CDT, 3 September 2016 >>

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lolograde '

Why does it matter?

<< Comment #9 @ 00:05 CDT, 4 September 2016 >>

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Gobotz

ql based off 85 fps physics.
q3 125 fps.

arqons fault.
had something to do with jump pads on dm17.

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