Video settings just change the pace of the game.

If you're used to a bright game you can track better and react faster.

Its never a fun expereince going from something fast to slow, Its like playing FPS on a joypad when you're used to mouse and keyboard

It don't matter how good the game is, its just horrible.

/Unless its N64 GoldenEye.

Its never a fun expereince going from something fast to slow, Its like playing FPS on a joypad when you're used to mouse and keyboard

True, true. Imagine what Vo0 must've gone through when he switched to Slowmode.

Vo0 lost in other games because CPM had a lower skilled player base.

It allowed you to get away with positioning errors.

It allowed you to get away with having the wrong weapon selected.

The speed differences were not enough. you can calibrate in few weeks of solid play.

But there is no shortcut for fundamentally bad habbits playing CPM will do to you.

You can't get away with those things in OSP/Quakelive because its a tourney game.

You will get punished the second the opponent catches you with the wrong gun, or in the wrong place.

You are a retard but I think you know this already as countless of people already told you that.
Like Vo0 can't adept to different game styles and isn't smart enough to adjust to them -.-. Ever considered that he probably doesn't practice as much as he did in 2005 and furthermore still prefers cpm over ql?
I mean he studies and probably doesn't play at all so I think there is a slight difference between being a pro and taking a game serious or play for the lulz and have fun competing against guys on a higher level. But yeah a sheep penetrating Welshman probably doesn't consider this :D

Whatever helps to keep your illusion alive.

Nobody likes to be told the game they play is second best, but it is all the same.

Have fun raging and I do hope your reply gave you some small, inner perception of victory. You're still wrong.

I don't play cpm, I started to play fps with ql :D but good try.

You've only just started to play quakelive, yet here you here arguing with people about game modes and opponents you have no idea about.

Good try. I must admit I knew you were clueless, I didn't expect it to be that much and for you to admit it so openly.

I get it, you have a crush on vo0 and you're going to blindly stand up for him. Good for you!!!! But it doesn't change anything about what I said..

Well I played 1.6 and 1.5 for years now and followed the fps scene since Vo0 raped the shit out of stelam, fatality and stermy. So yeah I might be clueless but everyone told me that I couldn't do shit in quake and hey after not even 100 duels I win over 1500+ duel guys. The thing is you can't just say that any cpm player does worse in ql based on Vo0's results. I mean fatality failed in 1.6 but this doesn't mean that any fps player couldn't succeed in cs and otherwise. It is about talent, adaption and practice. If you got the talent you can rock any game. MAybe you won't be the best but I think to be in the top 50 worldwide is still something not everybody can achieve.

Please carry on...
I'll just rip out the best bits and talk in bold

Firstly, that game you say he raped the shit out of, was painkiller, which is as you probably don't know a very simialr game to CPM in terms of all the traits I was talking about. So the only example you could come up with of vo0's dominance just cemetend what I said.

"Well I played 1.6 and 1.5 for years "

"So yeah I might be clueless but everyone told me that I couldn't do shit in quake and hey after not even 100 duels I win over 1500+ duel guys".

And what does beating a bunch of scrubs have to do with being qualified to talk about top level play?

Oh and do link me to the bit where I said "you can't just say that any cpm player does worse in ql based on Vo0's results".

lastly, I was talking about top level play.

Nobody is interested in a scrub like you whose basis of comparison is being top 50 in teh world.

That sucks ok. There are top 50 players in the world on this website and people don't even know their names.

I realise you're new, but don't try and get involved in conversations which require more than you can input.

I'm done as you've shown your cards and I'm not wasting time to convince your small time basis of comparison.

Do the world a favour, shut the fuck up for 4-5 years, get some skills, a clue about the scene, then reply or stick to the quakelive forums.

BYE.

oh right so now his skills from CPM did pass over to another game.

PK was a very similar game to CPM in the sense that a lot of thigns you could get away with in CPM, you could also get away with in PK, but not in VQ3 or quake 4.

Those games simply required more thought as the consequences were much bigger for when you make a mistake.

Make a mistake against cooller, cypher or rapha in quakelive, I dare you? You could make MANY in PK and CPM and quite often be saved by the sheer pace of the game. In quakelive, you die almost every single time you mess up.

Vo0 tried for many many years in quake 3 and quake 4. He didn't ever win anything worth talking about not from trying.

You're jsut sticking up for the game you play becaue like I said, nobody wants to paly a game that makes them feel second best.

I no longer play any of them so I'm impartial and looking at it for what it is.

You should get an alt name and post these things, so when they + you for being insightful you just bust out jamerio name and tell them to finish slurping your jizz on this name instead.

Would be lulz..

btw agree with everything you said

does PK also have the same lower skilled playerbase, which allowed vo0 to shine? or why was he good at PK?

pk had like 20 people.. of course a movement master from cpm would own people at that game.

Since you can't stop bringing me up in your lovely examples, I figured I am going to reply to this one.
You keep talking about making positional/weapon mistakes. Let's say you run into someone in cpm, with the wrong weapon out. Instant switch, no worries. However, you are still out of position. No worries, just use the fast movement system to get away fast. Note: your opponent has the same abilities. While you tried to get away, he has already launched a bunch of shaft cells and used his instant weapon switch capabilities to instantly fire a railgun shot right before you got out of line of sight. Damage done: alot. You, on the other hands, missed your defensive rocket and rail.
So in the given example, because the instant weapon switch is used for both offensive/defensive purposes, the damage output because of the tactical mistake was much higher than in ql.
Also, your opponent has better movement than you. He could have chased you and outran you and done some more damage, but he chose not to because he was guessing the red armor was about to spawn (no clock!).
So, you keep talking about these positioning and weaponry mistakes. If you make these in cpm, you can't get away with them freely like you say you can. And you can get punished hard, just like in ql. It balances out.

While it is true I have achieved next to nothing in q3/ql, let me show you how much I've played this game. I believe playtime is a very big indicator of how good a person is.
I literally started competitive quake 3 in may 2008, and stopped playing it in august 2008. During those months I played loads. I then pretty much stopped playing until august 2009 when I picked up ql after quakecon and played until december where I got 4th at IEM NA (I guess this is my best quake "achievement"). How is this trying for years and years? And about quake 4, you must be joking. I played that game for about 2 months and ended up not liking it (and I beat fox too!;D).

So, besides the fact that my limited quake experience does not give me good results, there is another thing that hinders success. I call it a skill set. My skill set is suited for games like cpm/qw/pk. What limits me in ql is its slow pace. It is not my kind of game. It is not because I make the same amount as mistakes compared to cpm and can't get away with it anymore, it is simply because my skill set is suited for different kinds of gameplay.

So please, stop using me as your prime example why vq3>cpm. The arguments are flawed and the discussion is worthless.

While I agree that CPM requires a different skillset, you're extremely good at it and it probably was the reason you were so good at painkiller, this discussion isn't entirely worthless as there are ways to discuss things and compare skillsets even though that is to never be achieved here on ESR it seems :< We'd need more skillful people like you discussing! :P

You can't really say that cpm had enough players to allow for such skillful matches as in q3/ql tho :)

jamerio your a retard

old

When I watched the IEM GamesCom streams, it was amazing how many of the SC2 viewers completely dismissed QuakeLive because of "terrible graphics". "How can anyone like this game? It's just a bunch of brown textures and green polygons?" ect.

Of course, little did they know the video settings were lowered for the stream quality. Because of simple ignorance, many may never experience the amazing gameplay of a game like Quake. Shame.