might be the reason why lg hit detection is now more bugged than ever.

i dont think do... sounds like a netcode issue

or both

yes maybe

That's the same guy that thinks the bridge to rail jump is too easy on dm6.
Without the insight to acknowledge its a ten year old map (which he's probably played for years) and the game is marketed at a fresh audience who will fall short.

I have seen professional dm6 players miss that jump in qlive, so to think a game which will be marketed to non quakers should have a tougher time when they're already going to be playing such an outplayed map is crazy.

you mean arktik?

I didnt know this guy has already a bad reputation.

I have to agree. There are thousands of invites out now but only a bunch of players still play the game. No new player has a chance to win a dm6 match. I've won some matches on "furious hights" and "almost lost" but I could never manage to win a single match on dm6. Unfortunaly dm6 is played the most. I have to ask my self why ID did it. They could have handout dm6 later when there is a steady player base...

ani duraki, pasmatri na ih lico!

i have a feeling they are slightly misguided in their assessment of how to make the game easier for newbies.

lol

Well, I'm not saying he has a bad reputation in other peoples eyes, I just think he has no idea of what is needed to make QuakeLive a more mainstream game-which is whole point of it.

*EDIT*
And as syncerror just said its not true about this thread, then it basically confirms what I said about him :)

think of it this way
definitely ffa/insta players are coming from baseq3 to QL
DM6 is definitely a good choice as a map to bring over(along with a modded DM13, but i won't go into item placement)
there has to be some kind of starting point for them, particularly maps they'll be familiar with.
and the cpma/vq3 players, although more experienced, are adapting to a new spawn system
i think dm6/dm13 are good maps to bring in.

i won the most on dm6 (against players on my skilllevel ofc) :S and i almost never play ql :o

The misses in QL are probably falling off the ledge at the start because they were going too fast. You don't think it's easier? Could you even do it before?

It's easier yes, but its fine for the average new player that will come into qlive.

who are these professional players? the jump is way too easy for anyone who can do it in CPMA...

So?

Quake live is not an evolution for current quake players. It's supposed to get new blood interested in the game.

so who are these professional players missing the jump in qlive?

i don't miss it. that's pretty good proof for it being VERY easy.

You have over 3000 posts on what can only be described as an extremists Quake website.

Again, your basis of comparison is flawed to the target audience of the game.

Just because I know how it's done, doesn't mean i have the skill to execute it in a real game.
I made it here and there in CPMA, but i never miss it in QL.
I am very lowskilled. Wanna play?

People who are new to the game don't need it in the first place innit.

Being low skilled in the highest skilled series of games does not make you a low skilled player in general.

qlive needs to target general gamers.

"Needs" to, or they want it to? Quake 3 as a base could never target casual/new gamers, no matter how much they bastardize it.

Mash is 10x worse than you mate

That would still make him better than the average FPS gamer.

Well ok, but he's not, he really isn't, not even close.

Octagonal hitboxes are actually more accurate to the model representation. It does seem a bit larger than the model though..

you can scale the model size to fit the hitbox.
edit:
ok sorry, it says further down in this thread that that cvar is now cheat protected

i guess octagonal hitboxes would mean that you should hit less shots than you are accustomed to with square hitboxes (if my understanding of the "octagonal hitbox" idea is correct).

It's not true.

Rumor control is here...

/thread.

you got plussed for THAT? pff..

alright for some eh

He's a superstar like me, we can say anything.

Yeh I'm so used to plussing you it's become reflex.

NDA?

CPMA netcode > QL netcode > OSP netcode > BaseQ3 netcode.

I hate small models though. Has the hitbox size changed in QL comparing to Q3? If it's the same, then why changing the size of all models? :G

its been explained on the ql forum, basicly so ppl cant whine if they use a tankjr model and shoot on his side and then not hit anything. all the models are now scaled into the hitbox.

retarded imho, if a player doesn't want smth like that to happen, dont use tankjr.

no
the problem is, bigger models are an advantage, because you can see the better/sooner. so if you want to play on even grounds, your forced to use the biggest model like everyone else, even if its a really bad representation of the hitbox (and that the only thing models are for).
thats why id decided to scale all models so the hitbox representation is best while still giving the player the model choice. its the only fair way and if you werent used to the old/wrong/bad/unfair stlye you wouldnt even complain. god, we should all try to find out whats best for the game instead of trying to keep what we are used to...

zero4 didnt seem to have a problem playing with sarge as enemy model for so long. The advantage is very minimal so its really only preference.

a visual advantage that's varies from player to player, some use keel some use tankjr and some like sarge. It's not really different from people liking textured walls (0-5 picmip) or flat colours (5-15) and so on.

NTF: you're forced to use an array of set models, hitting them is not any more difficult.

having different sized hit boxes across the models is stupid, as soon as the biggest is found then it's going to become the standard

you can still choose the model so whats the problem with making them the same size?
and if the difference in size is just a very small advantage, why is everyone whining now that the have to use models that are just that bit smaller?

dont get the last part of your post. all models have and always had the same hitbox, they were just visually bigger/smaller. but i guess you know that, so what are you trying to say?

because the small models suck :<

mynx is hawt tho xDD

its not like i find the small models better than the old ones. i wouldnt want my cpma models to get anything different.
but this is ql and id is trying to polish everthing to modern quality standarts. imho things like this are part of this general agenda and just need to be done, whether some old player whine about it or not.

you can still choose the model so whats the problem with making them the same size?

Because it's a redundant change.

and if the difference in size is just a very small advantage, why is everyone whining now that the have to use models that are just that bit smaller?

It doesn't help casuals, and only hurts the preference of someone who has been using it for years. The tankjr model has NEVER been an issue in high level play.

theres a cmd to change the scaling cant remember what it is tho

its cheat protected now

rofl fail

I concur its way too easy to hit stuff..

way too easy to hit and the shaft is strange now, sometimes it does a lot of damage and other times nothing?

Also hitting 5 rails in a row to kill someone is not normal...

a radar would also be helpfull :)

:DDDD

only thing that is really annoying imo is that if you hit a rocket somewhere in a wall, the splash damage finds it way around 5 corners and columns and still takes 60hp from the opponnent ...

fucking retarded on dm13

dm13 in QL is retarded anyway

if anyone from id is reading this, DO NOT FIX OR CHANGE WHAT IS NOT FUCKING BROKEN IN THE FIRST PLACE

and certainly don't do it when it has ALREADY BEEN DONE A FUCK LOAD BETTER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE

They locked xerp/smoothclients to 0 serverside I guess.

WE WANT XERP ON QL RLZZ !!