Streaming will be on FACEIT TV, with commentary provided by Xavier "Zoot" Dhorne and Bruno "ins" Pereira.

Dimensions collide.

ehe eh e h Isee what u did there

:(
Expected Disrepute in the studio or some TDMer

Indeed, zoot doesnt know tdm, hes not a good tdm caster...

cant be that hard to go from duel play by play to tdm play by play ;p

without proper knowledge of the game, play by play gets really dull. if commentator just names the things that they do without as much as an idea of the aftermath it creates the 'oooooh rocket in the face' situation where zoot first started out

Haha true...

no ddk during tdm this weekend? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nothing against zoto and brauno obviously, but ddk's tdm knowledge wouldn't hurt nobody

Same thoughts here.

turns out ddk has a weekend off and he totally deserves it, so fuck it. it's gonna be fine. zoot and ins really need to step up their game though:]

sending a portuguese to italy, make him mexican


although where's disrepute :( master race tdm casting

meh..

11h? really?

this is a lanparty@home :)

Gg at that early start, gienon won't make it for us.

No worries, we won't be able to make it either.

Chosing saturday was questionable enough as it's probably the worst day they could have ever picked (and we would have been forced to use a sub if it had started at 16 because of that day), making it happen at 11h is just retarded.

Perhaps faceit should have considered making it happen on a sunday instead of the almighty, sacred and untouched duel mode we already have too much of every day of the week.

I feel bad for dlcompare as it appears to be a complete waste of money due to the poorly chosen day and time.
I don't even understand how this happened because the people involved actually asked a few players what would be the best day according to them to make those cups happen and I'm pretty sure there is no way saturday was the most mentioned day.

It's just a shame, what a waste.

Agreed. :/

We actually asked some of your team mates if they preferred groupstage, which would take more time, or a single elimination bracket like every Saturday.

They were fine with both, thus we chose the same format as we do with our duel finals, as we want to give as much attention to you TDM as we do to duel.

I think you did just fine there and the TDMers are a bunch of whine babies ;D

whinez

I don't think there is a single thing that can be done in TDM scene that you won't whine about in some way.

Must be it.

Regardless of the the start time, tdm teams will either no show or be minimum 30 mins late. Changing it to some apparently more suitable time will change nothing.

For the first time, we get to see a Faceit stream event casted "Without DDK" but with Zoot and Ins, that's crazy to say the least

it's not the first time at all

The very first FACEIT stream was Zoot and nVc...

I take that back then

Perhaps it would be wise to start the finals at the regular 16:00CET and play the semi's and/or grand finals on sunday?

whiny TDMers strike back, no wonder TDM is dying

seriously? 11am is a problem? if you don't want to play 'in the middle of the night' then don't bother. other teams will take the money and we'll watch anyway thank you very much. first the saturday is not acceptable (even though it's a work free day which is perfect) and now 11 am is not suitable hour. boo hoo. ridiculous

needs more dis & vor !

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Update: We have changed the starting time and format due to players complaining. Sorry for not being able to bring you a full day of action due to this!

In reality:

- two teams actually couldn't play in the morning (players working on Saturdays), others just don't like early play,

- there was enough teams ready to play at 11:00 (us included) if only admins wanted to shuffle the groups a bit, but this wasn't considered,

- teams really wanted to play group stages and proposed playing both groups at the same time (starting at 15:00 like original schedule for group B), apparently the problem was too many games at once (up to 4, wow! Guess how many games at once will be played in 8-team playoffs' first round),

- since that wasn't possible, teams wanted a DE bracket and we thought even bo1 LB would be nice to have and shouldn't prolong the tournament by more than an hour,

- all that was rejected and looks like we'll play bo3 SE with bo5 final.


For a second-to-last team this sucks because in a seeded tournament, we'll get seeded against favorites for the final and leave the tournament after quick mercylimits. We could get more games in groups or better games in DE.

But it just looked like admins were tired with players' demands. And yeah, they actually liked the idea of 5 hour cast compared to 10 hours of original schedule.


Oh and to put a nice ending to a rant! Teams were told to sign up on the cup page, but first you need to have a team...



Invited the guys but they didn't get any notification.

They can't accept the invitations.

I can't revoke the invitations or re-send them.

So we'll see if we will even be allowed to play due to technical problems on Faceit side...

They actually released a premade team feature or something similar. Works way better than the one they had before, no more need to do new teams each time!

oh god, faceit lost all respect in my eyes

Yeah, better keep the original schedule with 2 teams not being able to play and 2 having to play with mercs ouf of the 8 just to keep that respect.

Not sure why people are being so dumb and don't realize how it hurts the scene as a whole to have badly organized tournaments with so few signups.

Those are legitimate complaints that need to be addressed.

And for the record, many people do work on saturdays.

I think changing groups would work if only it was announced few days earlier. I guess Faceit wasn't prepared for issues when they were announcing the groups late Thursday.

But even with the talks taking place today, starting both groups late and playing in parallel should work fine, right?

Esp. if we could get the final to be played on Sunday between the duel cups.



Oh, and on IRC, winz pointed out another thing - crozar's CTF tournaments are also scheduled for Saturdays. Faceit admins, prepare! :)

better play 1 team than 3 yeah

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reading the whining above, this probably could be the last tdm money cup.. my guess

I would not put much efford into another cup if the players react to this cup like they do. Level of professionality -9000

I can't believe the number of idiots who dare posting everything is fine while not participating in any of those cups.

Oh well, typical ESR.

I can't believe the amount of whine coming from you.

Oh well, typical winz

Legitimate complaints have to be heard in order for the whole thing to get better.
Don't get me wrong, I'm appreciative to the fact they are holding team based cups, just disappointed they seem to be holding those cups only because a sponsor gave money for it and have even gone against the opinions they gathered and made it happen on the worst day.

If you can't see that's a bad thing to hold those cups on any day but the one you will get the most signups in a small and elitist scene, then you can't be helped.

If you don't have anything constructive to say, please just be quiet.

Ok here is my constructive critique:

I see that a saturday might not be the best day in the week.
But here are 2 thoughts.

1st: duel ist just bigger and better suited for a broad spectator field which results in more vies. I for myself enjoy watching and sometimes (if I have the time) play tdm. But duel ist just easier to comprehend and follow. So thats a good reason why duel should be played on the "better" day than tdm. My guess ist that you would complain even tdm was played on sunday BEFORE duel (so 10am - 2pm or something).

2nd: I always complain about the professionalism of the quake players. On LAN they come too late and expect mercy by the admins. Games get delayed because some pro has some "unsolvable" issues and its so freacking difficult to get a team together. I played sports for the most part of my life and I played team based sports but also sports for myself. And the level of professionalism in all the sports I have played outreaches the "quake level" by like 10 times, even though I never earned anything from doing that. In the 3rd league (or even lower) in football the games are played on the correct time. They can be hold on thursday - sunday and nobody complains. (sometimes even during the weak) And if there are amateur teams, sometimes somebody has to work. And then they have to play with a "merk" or just don't have the best team possible. Thats unfortunatelly just the way it works in amateur sports and people usually just deal with it. But somehow some quake players think they have to be treated like freacking ronaldinho and get every single possible favorism by the admins etc.
To me thats an uneven relationship. Quake is small. Quake is amateur based (even though we talk about pros). And quake is far, far, far, far from professional when it comes to the behavior of its top players.

If thats not a constructive criticism, please just be quiet.

Thanks for the posts and I agree with some of the points you made but not all.

1. Duel may seem bigger because it has always been the mode pushed in tournaments coz it's simply easier to organize logistically (and also requires less prizes).
I agree duel is easier to follow than TDM or CTF in which you can miss many important actions simply because there is much going on but does that simple fact should make duel to be forever the mode pushed in competitions? Does it have to be prioritized over other modes ALL THE TIME? Would it hurt the duel scene as a whole to have a TDM cup on a sunday for once instead?
Also and more importantly, will duel be the savior (to justify its over the top current prioriziting) for the quake scene in the long run? I don't believe that at all.
To be honest I don't think anything can revive the quake scene to its glory days and take it for what's it's worth but back in the q3 days, community was driven by team modes and I don't believe that trend has really changed, most people will always prefer playing with mates/friends simply because it's more fun.
So why is duel pushed so much in comparison to team based modes?

We are a bit offtopic here and that topic has already been discussed in the past on which disrepute made some good points about (don't know where to find it though). I just wanted to make you relativize the importance you grant duel.

My guess ist that you would complain even tdm was played on sunday BEFORE duel (so 10am - 2pm or something).

You make it sound like I would have complained regardless of the chosen day which isn't true. I'm complaining when there are legitimate concerns to complain about. But yes, I would have complained about a 10am start because I don't think that's an optimal time to start a team based mode cup.
I didn't even necessarily want it to happen sunday, when I got asked I even mentioned different days of the week (evenings) which I think would have been better than saturdays.

2. I don't want to comment much on the players professionalism (and we don't seem to have the same definition of it anywya) but I will say this: You greatly overrate its impact in my opinion. A game will do great in esports regardless of the professionalism or in some cases amateurism of the community simply because it's played by millions. I'm not saying it's ok for players to disrespect the schedule and be late, it obviously isn't and I like to think I'm the kind of players that is very punctual. I'm just saying a whine there and there isn't making much of a difference.

And yes that was a constructive post, thanks for that.

no one would watch during the week cause of 125fps coverage (which whether you like duel or not is essentially good for the scene). sundays are weekly cups day since forever and it would be impossibly hard to change that status quo. saturday is the team modes' best bet. it's not perfect, but it's the best you (we) have got. and sometimes you have to take some shit to get ahead in the long run. we won't bring back glory days but we can always strive for better. and cups like this are the way to go.

sundays are weekly cups day since forever and it would be impossibly hard to change that status quo.

It became an habit.. just like it became an habit for quakers to not play on saturdays. My point was that it wouldn't have hurt to have TDM instead for that cup and then back to duel the weeks after.

Why would no one watch during the week? And isn't the 125fps cup from 18h to ~21h anyway?

the way I see it now is as follows: we have about 2k people willing to watch quake regularly during the week (it's obviously a guesstimate, but I think I'm in position to make that guess). no matter the promotion or anything these people are there. scattered on various streams obviously. now most of these people want to watch duel more and are less interested in tdm which is a shame but that's what we have now. here's the problem: it's difficult to convince no tdmers to watch a whole tdm tourney let's say after the 125fps stream (which often lasts more than 3 hours anyway) full of exhausting goodness. I mean I'd watch it but I'm a fucking freak. and the week's schedule is so full of duel events it leaves practically the most hardcore audience and those who specifically want to see tdm (not many) to potentially watch the event. saturday on the other hand has no competing events whatsoever. I understand that's not without a reason, but viewer count wise it's the best way to go. and viewer count for this kind of event is everything. and as much as I love tdm I don't think it's good for anyone to permanently swap the sunday duel cup with tdm. once in a while yes, by all means, but not permanently. we as a scene can't afford than now when the things are starting to look better and better. not yet at least.

I agree and I never suggested to switch to TDM permanently. Wouldn't have been a wise move.

I agree they should have had the tdm final on a sunday IF they had managed to get a pair of commentators that's really able to get viewers that usually just come for the duel hyped for tdm. now we all know there's not many people around that can do that, definitely not zoot and ins anyway, eventhough I obviously appreciate their efforts and think they do fine for duel. now the way things are I guess they're better off keeping their regular audience for the sunday cup and have the saturday for more dedicated viewers.

duel ist just bigger and better suited for a broad spectator field which results in more vies

That must be why the only 1v1 esport is SC2 and all other esport games (currently mostly MOBA) are team-based? Even if you look only at FPS scene, for years Quake was the only game where dueling was big. All the ETs, CSs, CoDs, BFs etc. up to SM are played in teams.

Of course, QL's spectator support for TDM is seriously lacking compared to CS:GO and games like that. I've contributed my share to this thread, but people seem not interested or plain clueless (check the ammount of people mentioning "clutter" even after being reminded CS:GO still has more information on its spechud).


Good points about players. It's always a mess, whether it's online or on LAN.

And today we're playing for money, so if you have such a strong team as Unknown with huge chance of winning actual money, I'd take a vacation for one day, or tell my boss I need to leave early today.


But if you look from the other side, admins also have some room for changes in schedule/groups and it shouldn't be a problem either.

The groups were announced really late (Thursday evening), so there was almost no time to schedule a vacation. And just yesterday, the schedule was changed again, without even announcing it officially, so spectators like yourself don't even know when to turn the stream on.

So even though there definitely is a general problem with the players' attitude towards cup rules and schedules, I think you will agree that this time the organization could be better.

I agree on the "it should have been organized better". About the teambased stuff:

If you die in cs (cz, go or whatever), you are dead until the next round starts. So even without a map overlay its farely easy to follow (more or less) what is going on. The gameplay is in general also slower.

ET has not round based, but the attacks come in waves. I watched some cup latley with warwitch and the coverage was much better since its objective based. PLUS the spectators actually change the POV sometimes. I hate the somehow established rule in Quake that you only followkiller and followpowerup. Thats just stupid.

I can't follow MOBA since I never played any of these games, so i can't comment on them. Same is for CoD and BF. And shootmania is bad to watch no matter its mode. So the only comparisons I can make are QL:TDM - CS -ET. And of all those quake is by far the most spectator unfriendly even though I probably understand the most (compared of the other games) by playing it myself.

I casted some TDM games like 2-3 years ago from dreamhack with mops. And from those games it was even very difficult to build some tention. When you are back 10-0 in duel on dm13, players usually go spec and call the game. That never happens in TDM allthough the games might be decided after 10 minutes or so. A mercy limit might help a bit. But nonetheless there are, compared to duel, very few comebacks and the games seem to be decided much earlier IN GENERAL (not always!!!!!!).

Another reason are the casters. I VERY MUCH enjoy watching vor and dis in TDM. But besides that I have not seen many good casters. Maybe ddk. But in duel I can at least arrange with most casters and somehow accept them.

Some of these are just personl oppinions and not up to debate. But there are some strong arguments against tdm as a spectator friendly game mode. And again, I enjoy playing tdm and I'm looking forward to todays games. But nonenthelss duel seems much more suited for a broad spectator base.

the spectators actually change the POV sometimes

If you checked the thread I linked, there are two proposed features to remedy that:

- automatic switch to stacked players (= expected to do important stuff or just go on a rampage)

- possibility to switch to predefined cameras (PU rooms on all maps and important areas which are cessed)

When you are back 10-0 in duel on dm13, players usually go spec and call the game. That never happens in TDM allthough the games might be decided after 10 minutes or so.

We were denied team forfeit functionality, but there's mercylimit. Nowadays most teams play with 50-60 even if cup rules say 80 (hi doz3r), so it's not as bad as it used to be.

There also used to be /setmatchtime 1199 command for referees (if losing team asked for it, it was the way to forfeit at any time). For whatever reason id removed it, but left mid-game /kickban and /put s in place.

35 frag comeback is the highest I remember being streamed in QL, ever, so mercylimit 50 is equivalent of 20 frag difference in duel.

there are, compared to duel, very few comebacks

20 frags comebacks happen all the time, you just don't view them as comebacks, I guess?

And even when the difference is 30 frags at 17 minutes and you know it's garbage time, it's still much more interesting to watch than a duel after it's 15:0.

Because in TDM if there's no mercylimit by then, the game is fairly close and interesting things are still happening. In contrast, when the duel winner is decided, both players stop playing proper and just fool around.


And now for something positive: if you think good games don't happen in TDM, please enjoy this VOD of a nice 5-mapper, CB OC div1 final from last week: http://www.twitch.tv/deliberatemurder/b/418720696

There are a lot of TDM games I enjoyed watching. But most of them are just too one sided. Maybe its not because of TDM itself but because of the bigger skill gap. I don't enjoy watching cypher pwning some 1200 elo player in the first round of faceit eighter :D

Which would be how many? 3 people at most? (kk-super_koziol.pl, atomigo and brandan)

All the others are playing themselves (h8m3, tony, Lam), some of them are even trying to lead a constructive discussion (Lam), and the rest of the people posting obviously just want to see a great show and don't feel like they have to get involved with organizational decisions.

Also note that, even though both your post complaining about the schedule and the posts complaining about your complaint (brandan, h8m3, kk-super, ...) were plussed a bit, the post with the most plusses states: "needs more dis & vor ! ". As I said above, most of the community clearly just wants to see a great tournament.

Of course, you have all the right to complain if the schedule causes problems. However, complaining in a more constructive way may have prevented the admins from just going for the easiest fix and making it a single-elimination tournament -- which makes both the players and the spectators lose out on many great matches.

edit: Just to point out how your post wasn't constructive:

is just retarded

Offensive.

almighty, sacred and untouched duel mode

Off-topic, presumptuous.

complete waste of money

Implying that everything is too late and that there is no solution.

It's just a shame, what a waste.

Implying that everything is too late and that there is no solution.

edit: Thanks, atomigo, for plussing me for pointing out that you are one of the 3 'idiots' in this thread. ;)

they could have just gone with the original plan, except play the groups at the same time. problem solved

Yes. Lam has already pointed this out.
But: Did anyone of the complaining participants (winz, funnyb) suggest this in time? No. That's my point.

If the players are like "oh great admins, you fucked it up, everything is wasted" and "yeah, agreed", then it's easy to see how the admin might react thinking "Ok whatever, let's just make it a quick single-elimination bracket" instead of thinking about other possible solutions.

there was a channel where all the discussion took place before any of the changes were even posted here

If that's the case, then the discussion here is moot. :)
I have no information about how constructive the real discussion with the admins was.

How do you know nothing has been suggested?

Prior to the announcement of the schedule change, ins gathered a member of each qualified team to discuss the structure of the tournament and I'm pretty sure it has been pointed out.

[21:54:18] <l0w\kANiN_> why not play the groups at the same time Insan3?
[21:54:27] <l0w\kANiN_> miss a few games, stream the playoff like a baws
[21:54:34] <noctis> use fragtv for the other games
[21:54:35] <noctis> :Dd
[21:54:36] <@Insan3> too hard to control the whole thing

Stop assuming.

I based my assumptions on what I read in this thread. Obviously, when a lot of relevant information is missing, that's not always going to work well.

So why are you even posting here, where people don't know half the story and there's much better ways to talk to the admins? In any case, the way you worded it (calling the admins retarded and accusing them of wasting money) is a sure way to get people to disagree and call you whiny.

You are probably right. I'm not much of a good spokesman.

unbelievable. people posting their opinion ON AN INTERNET FORUM? fucking disgrace, right? one doesn't have to play any tournaments to care about this stuff. I care. and if I were good enough to play i'd wake up at 11 am to play the finals of a 1000 bucks tournament. yes work is a problem. too bad either you or lowfly don't have any powerful subs in your teams... oh wait but you do! propose better schedule for <ninja edit> the whole tournament <ninja edit> (if there will be next time due to the teams' wonderful response) and I'll shut up. right now you look like ungrateful whiners though (which is a shame cause I think you're good people) who don't understand that yes the players needs are very important, but it's also a show. show that has to deliver to the viewer and have it's place in week's schedule..

(even though it's a work free day which is perfect) and now 11 am is not suitable hour. boo hoo. ridiculous

You just assume because it's a work free day for you it is for everyone and you dare to mock the people who state that legitimate concern and that's coming from someone who hasn't even attempted to make a team for the said cup

Guess what:
<noctis> saturday has always been bad for everyone across the board of gaming
<noctis> in any game

unbelievable indeed.

it's a generalisation as severe as noctis' quote you posted. you're fighting fire with fire. and 'boo hoo. ridiculous' is a mockery for you? come on. tdm coverage and popularity in the eye of a general viewer is in shambles and you don't think my concernes are legitimate? I'm a fucking lagging nobo and I can't do much, but i want only the best for the scene. it's my only agenda here. anyway this discussion is kinda pointless right now. both sides should learn for the future, but i still think the situation was shit.

if you're a lagging noob who cant invest any time into playing, there certaintly are a ton of manager / admin / news poster / whatever positions to be filled. as it is, its the same ~10 people doing everything in tdm and a limited bunch of guys playing. rest are just abusing the awesomeness of tdmpickup and crying

I know. I just wrote this 2 days ago: http://esreality.com/post/2441131/eurocup-xxv...pid2441457 if i get some help from the players or anyone willing I'll start with this. know anything? drop me some info or a link or whatever. also not like I'm not doing anything right now:]

but i want only the best for the scene

So do I man.. I don't complain for the sake of complaining. I'm actually disappointed by their choices because I personally know dlcompare and the course of actions faceit decided to take is far from the optimal one which caused the cups to have overall very few signups and most of the teams being mixes. That can result in dlcompare not willing to give anything ever again for quake which isn't exactly a good thing wouldn't you agree? Isn't it legitimate to be mad about this knowing they have gone against the players opinions they themselves gathered?

unfortunately the way things are now players' opinion isn't the the only thing that needs to be taken under consideration. and not because the team organising the cup doesn't give a shit and you know that as well as I do. anyway fuck it. tournament gogogo

So here we go with the back and forth whine about who's fault it is.

This is down to one thing and one thing only: Communication.

Faceit could have posted a starting time for the "Finals Day" at the start of whole cup so people could've prepared for it by taking a day of work, you can't really do that 2 days before you know it.

Now you can say the players should be ready to play and what not, but we're not talking about a pro-scene where this is people's job, the players who entered want to play the finals and tried to change the schedule or starting time to make that happen, is that a bad thing?

This is a great learning experience for Faceit, TDM and CTF ask for a different approach since you're dealing with teams, having 8 teams means 32 players have to show up, instead of 8 for duel, and they aren't as easy to replace as duellers are either.

Let's hope for some great games even though there might be a few less, as always it should be quality of quantity and if its anything like K1llsen vs Evil then we should be good.

Agree.

You mean when we announced the 4 saturdays that the cups were going to be played at, 2 months ago? :D

Exactly, you should've mentioned the 4th saturday would start MUCH earlier then the other three. Or are players supposed to guess it's gonna differ in start time without notice of this?

Yea, the schedule was announced fairly late, that's why I've talked to all the teams to try to change it

Faceit could have posted a starting time for the "Finals Day" at the start of whole cup

If you reply, please do it properly.

dont go nazi on me

Ok, so all advice on how to be professional and not to alienate your audience is lost on you. Good to know.

I just found out that we were even discussing another start time. I have not been online much last couple of days.. If you make these changes, perhaps get a reply from all the teams? :)

All seems to be good though, just a bit surprised the start time was changed even 1x time without getting approval from all teams. This is not whine, just observation and perhaps this can be done smoother next time.

GL to all today :)

I have to defend them for a change: they made sure all teams have at least one player participating and flatecek was representing No Tears on the channel.

I talked to flatecek, after you and krysa didn't respond!

Yes, you spoke to 1x person from a team of 4. Flatcek can't reach me if I'm not replying on IRC.
To change a pre-determined date/time you actually really need to make sure everyone knows it and also agrees that the change is ok.

This was not the case at all obviously :)

(not whining here, just trying to give you insight as a player who just got online and could have missed the whole final)

I tried to reach the captain of all the teams, you couldn't be reached so I made sure at least someone on your team could, either way the second group would start before the new schedule, so you'd be online by then! :D

:)

All good!

ins is right on thsi one

hue

lol i kinda saw this coming

thats disgusting

Yeah so you have to get this dialogue right here with everyone? You can't talk to roychez directly about it and prefer to make it public and agressive here?

lolquake. totaly insane...

!nined

why no pluses for this cup?

Not sure how it matters, but there.

wat

1. bitch about 11cest start
2. get 15cest instead of 11cest
3. get SE bracket playoff instead of groups
4. still not being able to get their main lineup in time
5. ????
6. PROFIT

"main lineup" lol.

in all these cups there were 3? teams that qualify as a team, everything else was just mixes

yea, but the amount of subs is... laughable. not saying you guys used it, but you were hoping to get gienon today as he makes it from work i guess (soz if i'm wrong). anyway, 102 is just russian mix, and unk got no l1nkin/zyrinx ;tt

We would of been just two of our team if we started it earlier and probably wouldn't have been able to play at all cause of that.
Now we got to play some games cause they changed the starting time, even if it was with a sub.
That would of been more sad to not participate on the finals at all after playing the last 3 qualifiers (thought most of those were with a sub aswell as frs mentioned).


Hopefully next time there will be more suitable days and we get plenty more teams to participate.
Thanks for Faceit and dLcompare for hosting the tournament and good luck for the teams in finals!

Sad that after you got what you wanted the whine continues...
No other organisation would change the cup format the day before the cup and you still are not satisfied...

I don't recall anyone whining?
Afaik we weren't the only team out of the 8 that wouldn't been able to play that early at all.
I personally think it is better for the tournament/organizers that all the teams qualified plays, rather than only seeing 6 teams on DE groups.

planB won against notears? That's surprising.

edit: 16 players in the semi-finals, 10 of them are Russian. :D

The ins-hate from zoot is making me lol hard.

have you got to sign up to see the brackets?

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IDK
:/

pawzzz is a girl

her gender is russian.... trolololol

Thanks for the cup!
It's a shame this were on a Saturday. Maybe for the CTF cup this can try to be avoided and do it another day.

Why so much hate for saturday tourney? Is there some sort of soccer tourney everyone in EU must watch this day (like Hockey Night in Canada!)?? Thats what PVRs are for nubs! I just don't get it, so ungrateful also..

quake demographic barely overlaps with football fans

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who is reyka?

karroider

Mc vagina

karroider/mc_vagina/dimkk, ID banned mc_vagina for inappropriate nickname ;d

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h8m3 isn't 102, tony is.

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lost coz of me,i know

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well we kinda raged a lot in purgatory midgame which cost us the map so when it finished everyone was raged and tony came TS to cheer us up and suddenly everyone thought that playing with 3 guys from 102 is better than 2 eventhough tony wasn't really warmed up ;D so it's kinda rage decision i guess(though I can't rly say that I would have played better)

I can say it for you.

yeah, mindless +forward mg rape doesnt work vs good teams ;(

the echo of 2GD whispering "pick the mega, tony" haunted this final dm20

pretty damn good tournament it was! ggs everyone!

If only i came home 20 mina later... :(

wasn't that bad. you had many important moments and good ra stats. <3 tony

no,i sucked,no excuse,fuckin 60 ping,fuckin 70 fps till i timed out for close some software,just came back home after a family party,no warm up,stole the spot to h8m3 for playing totally bullshit,fuck.

i hope faceit runs a proper tdm _league_ with a set day & show in the future. this could have been so much better but still good effort, thanks

that will need to switch back to online casting.

well not necessarily, ddk lives in milan now i think and he can cast the weekly tdm gameday show. if they insist on having a co-commentator, he could be on skype.

but a proper, semi-long league with a set gameday and strict rules about showing up etc to ensure atleast 2 streamed games every show is what's needed for the scene right now, imo

set gameday and strict rules

we all know how HoQ ended

ok, enforcing of those rules then. allowing teams to be 3 + 1 merc (who doesnt play for a different team in the league) would also ensure games to be played on time, this is what they use in dota2. it is so important to get games played on time & them being streamed that its basicly the only thing that matters right now. if you dont get that right then the rest doesnt matter

also i think faceit has built enough prestige for themselves that playing in the faceit league and being streamed by them would be far more important than just playing for hoq where its jsut b lahbalhbabhalabhalbhdlbfgfdefdgf

I'm fine with their duel way - 1 day cups and grand final in the end(basically what this TDM cup was), league is more interesting for players, but will be a pain in the ass to organize and cast for faceit. Could switch it on the work day due to so many whiners, but the format is fine

a set of cups is fine aswell, but they need to do something about the mix teams and laughable mercing that basicly made this series a joke. ie. you're not allowed to play for more than 1 tag/team per season and not allowing more than 1 guy who isnt in the original roster to be added per week, or something similar

set of cups is way better. easier to follow for newbies and more condensed audience for the sponsors and stream. one step at a time.

Thx FACEIT & dLcompare.com for the only major TDM cup! Seems like ESA TDM cup was a con :(
Was really fun, hope for more TDM cups in the future, don't listen to the whiny scum who are never satisfied with anything eventhough it's the only proper TDM cup the last 2 years.

props2 faceit and dlcompare.com. keep it up <3

Thanks faceit for a great cup!

Team Drama Match

http://www.quakehistory.com/en/tournaments/0,694

I see that i have to fix prize queries for players. ;)

thanks for this drama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m426Ps9LuDo

Wtf happened at the very end?? Bug or just flatecek shooting a rocket because of pressure? :D

That Limbus end with flatecek blowing himself up was pretty damn clutch :)
Insane last 10 sec!

that's what it's all about!

lol, that's an hilarious end :D

ROFL

Some observations:

For me as a spectator, saturday was the worst day possible, even though i would like to watch TDM, and I like it better than duel

Anyway, from the games I saw of the final match, it was close and exciting

seems like after starosta's departure to army 102 has problems with a stable team lineup.

Thanks to Faceit for organizing this, but from a business perspective I wonder how much longer they can run it :)

from a bussiness perspective: it was sponsored so as long as there is one.

i meant the whole faceit business not this tournament only

if you read some of the entries here, i feel old.. don't hurt the best game. it's getting a pain in the ass. just bring in some good games and stop acting like fuckin morons.. thanks

back in these days all that talk.... and winz was always a pussy

oh so its our obligation to spend all our summer saturdays bringing you some good games? fuck off. what have you done?

you can skip bro :) wouldnt hurt

when you set out to plan your tournaments, i dont think the starting point should be that the most active teams and players "can just skip it"

maybe don't name the VOD with the team that won in the title for people who watch, like myself, aftrerwards :)

(kind of a spoiler)

Whole tourney had great matches all around.


Look forward to the CTF tourney!