i don't care.

+i miss Aaron. :(

cancer gets to us all eventually =[

Add second dm6 to tdm mappools. So that both teams can pick it.

^------------------ this :]

bring back qzdm20.

With better weapon balance it would be easier to take control even on dm6. But the only strong weapon that is the rocketlauncher can destroy the opponent's full stack fast enough to take advantage of catching your opponent off guard.

200/ 200 = 3 - 4 rockets <- takes way too long imo, especially if you haven't got a full stack.

Dm6 became crap just because of this weapon imbalances and the fucked up spawns (e.g. both spawning near lg). In Quake 3 it has ever been my most favorite map.

I love how there's always a guy like you in these threads who's got it all figured out.

I just compare the two games and how I can handle certain situations in each of them, added up 1 and 1. -> POW! The answers just stream into my mind, like magic.

But seriously, in Quake 3 I can regain control without having all armours + mega.How come? And I'm not that good with railgun.

because you play crap players :o?

gl getting 200/200 on dm6.

edit:

omg, you were talking about duel, weren't you?

aye, i dont enjoy playing dm6 at all, bring back dm20. its new and a lot of people enjoyed it

-dm6 +dm20 imo.

dont

NOOOOOOOOOO
and bring back dm20

Doesn't matter if you even have decent maps when the TDM mode itself is shit from the ground up. :I

replace mg with single barrel sg from qw, add qw like armor system and it'd be awesome

Or not. :(

You should come over to the dark side and try some real TDM. :<

This.
After playing QW TDM..nothing compares.

i just like some elements from it, but qw is going a bit too far :p

You afraid you're gonna like it too much and abandon all your own friends when, ironically enough, you end up spending all your days on the Abandoned Base with 7 other players? :(

Getting on top of the QW4on4 scene is probably one of the hardest challenges in the gaming world today - isn't that...inspiring for such a hard working, talented, flairful player as you?

i dunno where you got the "hard working" impression :p

How big is the scene really?
I'm just wondering.... Is it really active and what modes are the most popular, duel and tdm?

39 tdm teams in eql

Duel and TDM are the big modes in QW yes. 2on2 is also very popular on public servers, but there aren't very many tournaments arranged.

http://eql.quakeworld.nu is the official 4on4 league. Also QHLAN is coming up in November with ~100 participants; www.qhlan.org

Don't forget to join www.facebook.com/QuakeWorld if you're on there!

I've played quakeworld for a few weeks only some time back. Never found qw TDM very appealing. Love the 1v1 and airrocket maps though!

I don't think Dm6 should be removed from QL-TDM before people stop playing dm2 in qw.
Since that map is overused by factor 10x compared to DM6 :D

Why don't we see any of the qw duellers trying to get on top of the ql duel scene then?

Surely that should be inspiring as well and theres even a monetary incentive as well.

Oh exactly, because it it just impossible and they would not stand a chance for at least the first year

or because they rather spend their time playing a game they actually like?

Because that would be like asking Michael Schumacher to start competing in Go-Carting. Might be fun for the first couple of months, but then he's just want to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger because of the boredom. :(

Michael Schumacher does do Go-Karting on a regular basis and enjoys it. Infact, most Formula-1 drivers do. Sure, it's a different breed to F1, and it's a lot slower, but that doesn't mean it's any less skillfull


Hey look, I basically described QW to QL

Yes, you are right!

So why would the top ql players try qw if they enjoy the game less?

I'm actually a qw fan but just saying. what's best to you isn't necessrily best to them

There are some incredible skilled QW players still playing the game, if they did start on QL they would be getting to the top for sure.
But like us, they are sticking with their game.

Yeah i agree, just thought his statement was a bit weird

Why don't we see any of the ql duellers trying to get on top of the sc scene then?

Surely that should be inspiring as well and theres even a monetary incentive as well.

Oh exactly, because it it just impossible and they would not stand a chance ever.

Same story, although going from ql to sc is obviously harder than going from qw to ql or vice versa

No.

Really? You think it's easier?:p

Hard to go from QL to QW. way2hard4u

Probably not since ive pld qw for years.

But even in general its still closer to ql than sc is

it's a lot easier going from q3/ql to qw than ql to sc. trust me :)

if everything else fails lg aim is still there, ain't nothing even close to that in sc.

well that would be the same for sc players trying to rise in QL?

or does their genetics simply make them more amazing?

Why would they suffer a pay cut in addition to playing an inferior game?

if that all that counts they should become professional football players right now.

Those measly sc wages can't even begin to compare.

While it's another inferior game, you can't just pick it up and be pro - most of them are skinny asian kids.

inferior lulz

http://trends.google.com/trends?q=starcraft%2...amp;sort=0

"Starcraft" is not the asian search term, and most asians do not use google.

http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%B6%95%EA%B5%AC

Grats on your unrelated link.

yes, linking to the term that means 'football' in Korea is obviously not a direct response to your argument that 'starcraft' is not the correct search term. Not at all.

But good to see you are arguing against the validity of google trends for a change :P


Besides, arguing that starcraft is bigger than football in any country is just lol ;)
Have you even seen the World Cup 2002 in Korea/Japan?

It's not an argument at all. Pretty fail trolling attempt, mate.

lol, he pulled the 'troll'-card.

I suppose you were unsucessful trying to find a way to show that starcraft is bigger in Korea?

You ARE a troll, just not a very good one. This was just surprisingly bad.

sc popularity is more along the lines of a niche sport (like wrestling). sure, it's on tv, but not everyone (or close to everyone) watches it.

keep telling yourself that and you will never be wrong!!!

Works the same when I tell you.

1. Peru
2. Chile
3. Philippines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_Peru

etc. ;)

That's why it's a bit surprising.

starcraft's name in Peru: starcraft
football's name in Peru: Futbol

http://trends.google.com/trends?q=starcraft%2...amp;sort=0



But yeah, it's not exactly a sign of reliability of google trends that Peru seems to be the capitol of "staarcraft" :P

Well, doesn't matter much, cause there is really only one person around here who claims that it is reliable, and he'll call others trollls if they disagree :D

Really? Something to be proud for! I thought Peruvians do "good" at Pro Evolution Soccer, but to hear that from SC... :)

Peru = the new Korea!!!

It's funny to say this, because surely the top qw players have never tried anything else on top tier level.

Indeed, there seems to be a certain elitism amongst good qw players in the sense that they feel they would easily master for example ql tdm.

While in reality few have ever even tried.

q2 players are a different story, eg Damiah and so

I would say that elitism exists in every community. But I agree that q2'ers doesn't seem to have alot of bloated egos in their community.

Id still love to see some of the qw duel stars try it in ql.

Some would fail (like locktar whose +fwd style just does not suit ql) while others like reppie would prolly be amazing.

Someone should make a QW version with rail actually, it would probably suck ass but it would be spectacular from a spectator pov

locktar and mrlame played cpm for awhile

while i agree in part, what about kane or lakerman? you can't honestly say we never had qw players entering 'our' scene and not being sucessfull?

They were different in the sense that they just adopted q3 as the new game straight away.

The point is more that the current qw stars dont even bother with ql, even though their game is basically dead by now, even the hardcore qw scene gets smaller and smaller as is to be expected since most of it's players probably have a family to support by now

cpmcpmcpmcpmcpmcpm

as much as i love aircontrol, i'd like to try a tdm game that has the other elements but the normal vql movement :)

Or you could crawl out of that stale VQ3 movement coccoon and start flying like a real ninja!

cq3

was okish once but recently just got butchered by the russian devs afaik

this. :(

Sure people whined about it in duel.
But it's really a fine map in TDM. very enjoyable to play.

Only if you like playing a map over 9000 times.

I don't wan't to hear that from someone that played instagib for years :(

wat?

2v2 yes, 4's not so much...

i've been trying to avoid dm6 for the last 9 years without any success, therefore it should stay in any map pool just because the new guys need to learn for themselves how it feels like playing a shitty map over and over again :>

DM6 should be deleted from QuakeLive, period. Map needs to die.

Just wait a little longer and we can get rid of dm6 & dm20!
(I prefer dm6 out of these 2 tho)

-dm6
+dm20

I don't get why maps should be removed.. if clans wanna play that map let them...

Besides QL TDM does have other much bigger issues that can only be fixed by ID anyway.

do you really expect new teams to have a chance on dm6? i mean top teams dont even prac dm6 its overplayed and gets boring by now we need new blood

It's not that I think 'new' teams have a change.. problem is there are no new teams.. and will be no new teams as long as ID doesn't fix the other problems / missing features.

32 teams on clanbase.. I think every team knows dm6 and for sure the 'top' teams will own the not so top teams on it.. but thats on every map.

Think there are beter ways to get 'new blood' into the game then removing a great map (overplayed or not)

And IF it needs to be replaced it is for sure important to not replace it with crap like dm20.. i mean come on.. the only reason that map is ever played is because there is NOTHING else to play.. picking a map on that reasoning isn't doing any good.

English isn't my main language so it can be a bit hard to deciper what i'm trying to say.

The level between a good team on dm6 and other team is to huge.... trust me... this map is just overplayed and crap these days ofc id does alot of things wrong d0h

With recent map selection changes on CB, they still have a chance to eliminate the map they don't want to play.

If dm6 is really so horrible it will only get to be picked up if both teams like it.

where can I sign? :)

poll closed. DM6 stays.

and just in time for our new poll:


should dm6 be removed?

do you actually play QL?

do u?

i do.

yeah and DM6 is one of the best maps :p

dm6 is still arguably the most spec friendly tdm map so if you want ql to attract potential new viewers and or players it should stay on that merit alone.

who cares about viewers.
show me one new player that likes dm6.

it really should go.

amen too that, no new player wants to play.. if there not even enough players to play QL how do you expect to have enough viewers? i mean why do you think alot of people watch wow or sc2? cause they have millions people playing...

every new player starts to play at dm6

dm6 ownz

agreed, dm6 is totally played out in all game types

Agreed.