what is abyssus

A brand of condom

razer mouse

lol razer

it's the same i guess
noone at razer cares about this issue

"abyssus mirror"

There's the answer to all your questions.

PS- Google works too.

probably not ,
at razer they're more interested in having over 9000 dpi and making the product look nice.

http://www.razerzone.com/images/no-drift.jpg


brb bandwagon

How long have Razer been going?
and they only just worked out people don't want prediction or "Drift control".
hmm...

that picture is very misleading, correction only hinders your aim when the vertical distance is very small compared to the horizontal (or similar situations), you can aim in diagonal lines like that all day even with correction.
But even in those situations you won't notice the correction once you got used to it, hence a lot of people are saying it is placebo or overhyped.

if u can train your muscle memory to mouse accel and mfilter why couldnt u train it to play with correction

definitely overhyped

+1

This pretty much, but to be honest, even though it is a placebo, mice without prediction just feel smoother to me. Not like it matters since I've used ones with and without for years without any difference in super-pr0 performance

Yes.

Well correction really isn't that bad a thing unless of course you're just a casual gaming newb and actually use 5600dpi, then that little correction is going to make a big difference.

A friend just came over and I tried out the 518, I really like that it has higher dpi than my mouse (ms3.0) but wtf, how the hell does anyone play with mouse correction?! It's really really obvious to me that the mouse was moving to places I didn't want it to go to, especially with very minute movements (I was playing with a high sens)

It's not overhyped at all. Anyone can aim with a mouse, doesn't mean it's accurate. Play long enough using correction and there are many situations where it will be noticed with all types of motions not just some plain diagonal movement. If enough people hadn't bitched about correction in the first place, Razer would've never even taken notice and bothered to allow a mouse which can have correction off.

I wouldn't say correction hinders precise aiming in a fps, it's just that it gives a different feel you have to adapt to if you come from a correctionless mouse.
For other uses like graphic editing, correction of course is bad. From a technical point of view it is bad. But from gaming experience and looking at what most people use I would agree it is overhyped.

Personally I have never aimed better than with the salmosa or 518, both have correction. I have also owned and used ie30 and wmo for a long time, just to say I know what I'm talking about.

"noone at razer cares about this issue"
words of truth

We need a competitor to Avago. They aren't facing any pressure to put out quality products. Their latest sensors are absolute SHIT and there's nothing we can do about it.

Why would they fix this, it forces their customers to buy their pads too couldn't be better can it ;D

There's a razer pad that completely eliminates the jitter? Which one?

both goliathus afaik

not completely, only @ 1800 dpi+you need to clean it all the time

having to clean an optical mouse is such a big backstep, I remember this shit from ball mice. uaaach =(

I guess the sensor surface with this mouse is just too small so that every dust grain might compromise performance. OR, your pad is dirty like a doormat. Another semi-fuckup from razer but there's still salmosa and deathadder 3g so all is well =)

no i meant you need to clean the mousepad not the sensor

you have to clean a cloth pad all the time in order for the mouse to work properly?

how retarded is this mouse?

very retarded

almost as much as the guy who decided not to put 500hz switch on it and set it to 450/900 etc dpi instead of standard 400/800...

Agreed. These two details pissed me off considering they are both steps in the wrong direction from the mouse that the abyssus replaced.

How can Razer be that stupid and stay in business?

cos the kids fall blindly for that cooll green logo and the fact cypher and aveks re using their products thats all

good marketing = win

lets be honest their products re crap

now they re making those keyboards that re even bigger fail than the mice

they re not even mechanical= pure crap

and they charge for them as it was some top notch red switched cherry

No, the salmosa is brilliant and the asia pro-gaming edition is even more brilliant. abyssus sucks because of jitter and switches.

So... I shouldn't order the abyssus? What then, mouse-geeks?

wmo, 3.0, mx518, deathadder, xai maybe

yeah i'm thinking either abyssus or the xai. i don't care what anyone says - i'm not going for a 30 year old MS mouse!

salmosa then, it's almost the same as abyssus

Xai, works decent. But just take one of the few you mentioned in your hand and try what fits best.

hnns "i don't care what anyone says - i'm not going for a 30 year old MS mouse! "

your loss.

I probably would have but I couldn't find it anywhere! Anyway bought the MX518 + steelpad, it's great.

yeah, that is a good mouse too

Logitech g9x

that's so expensive! is the mx518 any worse?

mx518 is better

Neg, g9x is better. And sincerely you're just opinionated and without facts. Since I have atleast done some research outside of owning both mice already, lets start with a simple image done from subjective testing among the two mice.

http://wikis.jp/interfacedevice/index.php?plu...PadAll.gif

Not only that but the MX518 Revision 2 which uses the Avago 3080E optical sensor, has data saturation issues while Setpoint is installed and causes erratic tracking and performance loss.

That's on a hard glass pad. Tell the japanese to throw that shitty ADNS 9500 G9x on any cloth pad and watch it fail hard. My original MX518 has a higher maximum tracking speed then my G500 on cloth mouse pads and does it without acceleration problems.

"shitty ADNS 9500 G9x on any cloth pad and watch it fail hard"

Really, so you already have gathered data showing it fail hard on a cloth pad right? I'm currently using it on a Puretrak Talent right now and I must say just from a user's pov it feels amazing at both low and fast speeds and there is no jitter issues either.

It only takes a few minutes to figure it out. The G500 is completely unskippable on a hard surface but on a cloth surface it's maximum tracking speed is way lower then my deathadder or MX518. I have tried it on many different cloth pads including:

Puretrak Talent
Razer Goliathus speed
Steelseries Qck
CM storm Ak-47 (somewhat similar to the goliathus control)

Nobody said anything about jitter, my two G500's don't jitter on anything. There is a thread on logitech forums where people were complaining about the issue and logitech showed a few pads where their 4.19m/s claim was reached.

They were all hard pads....

g9x cons:

-stupid shape + grip gimmicks + weights
-misaligned sensor (not in center of mouse)
-positive accel
-high price


mx518 cons:

-prediction


mx518 at 400dpi has very high tracking speed w/o the pos accel that g9x gets.

Everyone knows setpoint is trash and only a complete retard would think about installing it.

"stupid shape" - completely subjective, ignorant and shallow immature, though using one as I'm writing this I'm not seeing where the shape is stupid. The left side thumb indentation is nice, my pinky sits comfortably to the side and the mouse does not feel too long. I'm sure you're just some kid who has zero insight into ergonomic's whatsoever and just goes based off of looks.

"grip gimmicks" - Now you're just making yourself look dumb, becuase both grips appeal to different people and styles. And I find the suregrip drygrip to be the best I've used at wicking away perspiration. But it's obvious at this point you don't even own the mouse, or have tried it.

"weights" - huh?

"misaligned sensor (not in center of mouse)" - I'll give this some credit, but it's not something that I have been able to notice an issue with, save maybe having to turn more to the right to make flick shots to the right. However I am always at the same reference point from where I am so it doesn't make much of a difference.

"positive accel" - too small to be noticed.

"high price" - nothing a good job can't take care of. And the performance and feature's are enough to justify paying for it.

"mx518 at 400dpi has very high tracking speed w/o the pos accel that g9x gets." - again the +a is miniscule

"Everyone knows setpoint is trash and only a complete retard would think about installing it. " - I think you'd be surprised by the number of people who use it that aren't aware of this issue. Other than that though, there's nothing wrong with the latest Setpoint and the options it provides, which makes you ignorant.

Yeah, I'm ignorant because you're willing to downplay any flaws the mouse might have for the sake of your argument.

Enjoy your shitty overpriced mouse, tool.

That graph looks like what happens when I ejaculate

Someone told me the jitter was removed in a firmware update?

Razer hasn't released any firmwares for the abyssus because I believe it lacks the ability to be flashed in the first place. The 3.5G deathadder is flashable and does have firmware updates available which probably does fix the jitter. Same situation with the 3G deathadder and the salmosa.

lol i flashed my deathadder without any specific reason and it was wrong idea cos to maintain the same cm/360 in game i had to lower my sens by 0.5

so whats this mouse real dpi/neg/pos accel etc is a real mistery to me

I contacted razer with this exact question. They said that the only thing different was the coating. The firmware wasn't any different and the mouse will have the same tracking flaws as the old one. A shiny coating was much more important to them compared to fixing the jitter problem.


RAZER DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK.

but its shiny tho.

thanks Auld. Just bought the regular one off Amazon for $33. Works great, no tracking problems and I like the shape.

I have a nice job. Money is not a factor. Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 @ 500 hz just happens to be as good as it gets.

*shrug
/mentioned the job because I've had people that don't know what they're talking about assume that price was the reason for selecting this mouse.

You and me both brother.