It's great for the uk. if 9/10 dies early, maybe the tenth person could get a full set of teeth

enough to commit suicide over eh ...

what if they are eating 0 fat, then the amount can't be reduced. good advert gg

sugar becomes fat if you don´t burn it.
so you don´t actually have to eat fat to have/become fat.
youre as smart as the rest here

anything you eat can be stored in your fat. it's a lot more complicated than just, "burning it or not burning it."

it's correct for most cases tho.

theres a lot of processes in the body that determine how much of what substances you consume will get stored in your fat.

it's not that simple.

yea, if you're american you store about 98% of it.

touché

well my point was that some kids don't eat too much fat, and therefor the advert is incorrect and misleading in some cases -_-

it's about calories (energy), not from where they come.
Sure, fat has alot of it, a fucking lot actually, but it's not "consumed" by your intestines fast enough to have give that excess energy which is stored in the fat cells.
Sugar, on the other hand, is easily broken down by the body and gives lots of excess energy even from smaller amounts, which then is stored in yer fat. Making you fat.
GET IT?

Where is he not getting it?

it's about calories (energy), not from where they come.

so wrong. i guess vitamins, minerals and nutrients are just forgotten, these days.

Meat is my vegatables.

No, actually, it's so right.

newp

in general it is

if you eat more than you burn you gain weight, if you eat less you shed weight

basic biology really.

the original comment was wrong

looks like cypher

UK should spy on whatever it is swedes are doing that's keeping them slim. It's not like they ever leave their homes.

I blame BBB, it's so good they don't even find time to eat or buy food!

falukorv

"reduce how much fat they eat."

/facepalm

should be:

"reduce how much carbs, preservatives and processed foods your children eat."

Sony is considering suing them for that ad because it has a PS3 controller.

haha

Isn't that an encouragement?

I wouldnt mind lg'ing people in real life

omg this a nightmare
gonna go eat a pound of deep fried crumbed butter now to calm me down

improved
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8415/ukgovadredux.jpg

There it is.

no, u

choking. cant breathe

What if I do nothing but practically sit the whole fucking day from monday to friday but still I remain fit haven't done exercise/went to gym in my life?

You are not fit lol.

Im not "i go to gym" fit, but im fit by doing nothing. Don't rage at my genetics plz

probably has more to do with what you eat than your genes, if you're thin+lazy.

It's actually pretty genetic.

he's not that genetically different from anyone else, though, unless you compare him to a plant or something.

Whether you put on weight et cetera has a lot to do with genetics.

sure, but we're all pretty fuckin similar, when it comes to how our bodies store fat. what, how and when you eat play a much larger role than you're letting on.

Of course if you eat too much of the wrong stuff you'll put on weight but your genetics (And upbringing in fact) will control when you feel hungry and how your body deals with food.

Most people will automatically convert anything not needed for immediate energy into fat for storage (Since this would have been an advantage, it makes sense) but some people don't and find it difficult to put on weight even when eating massive amounts of calories.

you're doing it again.

Not my problem if you don't believe it, there's a lot of evidence and research done on the topic.

yeah, research that suggests what you eat, how much you eat, how you eat, how often you eat and when you eat fucking matters A LOT.

Most skinny people who allegedly consume "massive" amounts of calories simply aren't or they'd actually have some noticeable mass.

These people might eat one huge meal a day or are able to eat alot of food for certain occasions, but it's the picture over time with how much someone is eating and how active they are that sets their weight.

It's my observation that skinny people eat like skinny people (that's to say not much) and fat people eat like fat people. (usually carb addiction)

Experiments have been conducted on the matter. There was an experiment in the USA in the 1970s (I believe) and they needed people to be a certain weight/body fat %. So they got prisoners to sign up to the experiment with the promise of early release if they met a certain target (25% body fat). Some of the prisoners found it easy and put on loads of weight whereas other struggled to meet the target despite some eating 10,000 calories a day.

Another in the UK used people who claimed they couldn't put on weight. They had to eat way more than their GDA of calories over a month and were only allowed to walk about 2miles a day and do no exercise. All but two managed to meet the calories required per day (They would throw up before reaching the target). Diets consisted of fast food, sweets & chocolate and sugary drinks.

In one month none of them put on a great deal of weight, one didn't gain any notable body fat and remained exactly the same size and shape. And they all went back to their original weight/body fat % rapidly after it was over.

Interesting. Eating to the point of nausea happens all the time for skinny kids trying to gain weight for strength sports or to improve appearance. Usually anyone can gain 20-30 pounds within a few months if they eat well and enough, heavy training helps stimulate appetite.

Most people are like that, yes :)

And that's partly the point I was making anyway, it's not a concious choice for the Skinny people to not eat large amounts of food and it's not a concious choice for the Fat people to eat large amounts of food.

The body is telling them they need to eat and how much they need to eat. The body also controls how much of that food will be turned to fat.

My bmi is 22 and I do nothing all day. I also have skinny genes. Doesn't mean I'm fit tho. And no you're not fit. At one point in my life I was underweight with bmi 18.2 and I wasn't fit at all. You don't know what you're talking about you stupid pom.

definitely raged at my genes. im not going to take a pic of my abs'ed torso because that would be gay.

I love how people who go to the gym et cetera think that to be fit you need muscles.

well, you do need muscles, just not tons of them.

Best test: If you can't make your elbows touch you have lifted too much.

You can be very lean/skinny and still be fit. Muscle development is not a requirement to being fit, it's a good indication though -,-

Yes you can be lean and i agreed that you don't need heaps, but even lean people have muscles that show when they're tensed. Easiest example imo is comparing fit and unfit slender women.

Doesn't mean they aren't fit though just they haven't developed those muscles much.

Fit doesn't mean muscles.

Look at anyone you know who you consider fit, they will have muscles not always visible but they will show if they tense them.

Muscles are what gives us strenght, including the heart. So yeah you will need them if you want to be fit.


Different point of view: How fit are people who had to lie in bed for months due to an illness? And how much muscle mass do they have?


Lets say this: Muscles and fitness correlate positively (until a certain high amount is reached)

I didn't say they didn't correlate :)

You just obviously have a different perspective on what it takes to be fit. Provided someone can do most tasks and some basic exercise with no problems then I would consider them "fit".

or you didn't understand my statement like I wanted them to.

Remember, you were the one going on about not needing muscles.
I said you need them but they don't have to be visible, through clothes etc.

Well, you "need" muscles to be unfit too :P

How developed does a muscle have to be to be called fit?

3.5

seriously tho, I already said this, is has to show clearly when it's tensed and be "hard". Because having too much fat "hiding" the muscle wouldn't be fit in my bokk either.

y discuss muscles?

terrorhead's an idiot and you're both kinda right. discussion closed.

why discuss anything at all?

;)

Well I wouldn't call myself fit yet if I tense my muscle it goes hard? I'm "underweight" and never exercise!

Again still depends on the nature of performance, if it's olympic weightlifting the heaviest athletes are the most powerful and lift the most weight.

Nobody considers them "fit" though because the weight class is unlimited and so bodyfat is not an issue to them. But they certainly still are athletic with 3m+ standing broad jumps and 90cm+ verticals common in elite performers.

Fitness hopefully is based on performance. And it's no questions asked that muscle generates the performance.
So as long as your test of fitness presents some significant challenge to strength and/or power, muscle size is going to correlate pretty well with that performance.

Of course, but that wasn't what I was discussing.

How fit is fit? Unless there is some baseline performance out there that you need to be capable of to be considered fit then the correlation doesn't matter.

The ability to run a mile and do 15 pull-ups would be a good start.

Then throw in a 1.5x bw squat and a max push-up test and you've got a rudimentary set of markers.

Why do you get to decide? :(

Because I'd rather not have to look at people too fat to run miles and it'd be in the best interest of every guy who thinks his 13" arms are nice to go accomplish the second.
Squating is just the best as far as core and lower body strength are concerned, and a 1.5x bw is very decent. I tossed in the push-ups for the hell of it, I could care less about them. But again you're probably out of shape if 50 is tough.

[Edit: I have no authority in these matters so I don't decide, but these seem to me like reasonable general fitness goals that aren't too out of reach for someone wanting to try hard to be fit.]

Why does one need to try hard to be fit?

Those goals are totally arbitrary, pretty stupid and basically just you looking at the sitatution from your position as someone who obviously does a lot of working out.

To challenge themselves is why most people do it. But I just realized we're dealing with somewhat of a definitional problem. In the US when fit's used to describe a person it almost always means above average physical condition / performance, muscular or healthy. And apparently in Europe it's not so narrow.

You are not fit end of story :-)

I am like you. I do fuck all all day and don't exercise although I did rowing when I was a teenager. I am skinny but I'm definitely not fit.

To be fit you must:

1) go to gym

and if possible

2) run 5km under 20min.

If you can't do both you are not fit. EOD.

Or perhaps you Brits have a different definition of what it means to be fit? And no fit != sexy so don't even mention it ;D

I love how people who go to the gym et cetera think that to be fit you need muscles.

well, you do need muscles, just not tons of them.

Best test: If you can't make your elbows touch you have lifted too much.

and thats the point. I have muscles, i have these "squared abs" or whatever you want to call it (da girlz like it) and also decent arms, but im not "gym" fit because thats gay.

If you dont like this fact please stop replying because this conversation is plain homo.

"and thats the point. I have muscles, i have these "squared abs" or whatever you want to call it (da girlz like it) and also decent arms, but im not "gym" fit because thats gay."


Absolute fucking bullshit. I bet you look like Liam in real life :D

haha, and im sure you go to gym in order to get da chickz and you are raged at me because I get that without any effort at all.

couldn't care less about what you think

enjoy your aids

I am not raged. I am just saying you're not fit thats all. You can have abs but you're still not fit. Try a 5km run and tell me your time. If you can't run 5km under 20min you're pretty much a useless human being.

If you can't run 5km under 20min you're pretty much a useless human being.

Stephen Hawkins is more useful than you'll ever be.

Well played, come another day.

20mins is what I can do when I train running a little more (read: summer) but somehow I don't feel any more useful than right now...

You sir are an idiot...


I will say though that regular sport is always good.

You don't need to do either of those things to be fit, you're a total mong if you actually believe that.

Yeah you do.

Why do you have to go to the gym?
Who came up with the rule of being able to run 5km in 20minutes to be considered fit exactly?

I'm sorry you spend large amounts of your spare time at the gym so you can make 5km in under 20minutes but those two things are not requirements for being fit.

.

Hi my name is Jim. I haven't done exercise/went to gym in my life but I look like Usain Bolt! Seriously I am not lying!

Poor excuse for bad parenting.