Putin mamku tvou ebal

You're an idiot.

In Soviet Russia, border crosses troops.

Ye let's blame Russia!

Da comrade. EU will mean the end of freedom in Ukraine. It's Obama and the imperalists that is the real threat with their loan-slavery and pop-music and rights for homosexuals and... and...

what is the Russian equivalent for Lebensraum? Novorossiya.
but hey, everyone else is fascist right?

fun fact about our dear "liberators" in WW2: German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk (September 22, 1939 during the invasion of Poland)

heres another fun fact about our dear roumaniun gippos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Armies_...Stalingrad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_World...t_the_Axis

yes, Romania ended up fighting for both sides (mostly as cannon fodder). when you're a smaller country between two military blocks fighting a world war, you get dragged into it no matter what, especially under these conditions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupatio...wII-de.svg

at least we were worthy enough to be allied with, Serbia was a default "gg no re" for the Nazis/Ustaše

So you piss where wind blew, no backbone then?its kinda hilarious how you try to justify your countrys actions and at the same time try to present it as somekind of military force, just hilarious..

heres a fine example of your anti-nazi struggle I would particularly recommend reading:

http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/abou...mc_id=wiki

a quote from your link:

"When it's a question of action against the Slavs, you can always count on Romania," Antonescu stated ten days before the start of Operation Barbarossa.

luckily enough there is a common consensus among historians as to who formed allied/axis powers and you can guess under which wing Romania fell.. its kinda written in every highschool textbook, lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact

And bitch pls, your silly implies on military achievements about jugoslavia are laughable as the country is pretty much a synonym for Partisan guerilla fighting.It came out as the only country to drive out the nazis on her own without the outside help of Allies and without the Red Army, while same cant be said about you whore..

yes, Romania was under a fascist government when it entered the war and it participated in really bad stuff (the Holocaust, the crossing of Dniester into proper Soviet territory where it had no business..), but before the Ribentropp Molotov/Second Vienna Award, there were no fascists in power. those were enabled by the annexations and catastrophic response of the pollitical class which led to rise of extremism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_World...s_to_power

"When it's a question of action against the Slavs, you can always count on Romania," Antonescu stated ten days before the start of Operation Barbarossa.

you also forget that Romania gave permission to the Polish Army to evacuate through our territory:

Almost all those interned in transit camps in Hungary and Rumania escaped between the autumn of 1939 and the summer of 1940 and amounted to 15,978 officers and other ranks to Britain with another 1,378 from other countries. Under pressure, the Hungarian and Romanian governments became anti-Polish while the people remained largely supportive and assisted in escapes.
...
In Rumania as the camp head counts diminished, Rumanians officials regularly falsified returns with 'ghost' numbers to avoid the wrath of their German paymasters

http://www.polandinexile.com/escape.html

the context and pre-conditions matter. you're just cherry-picking stuff, history is not so black and white.
and yes, the Partisans were cool, but the standing army didn't do much before them.

anyway enough about our petty Balkan squabble, how would you defend the partition of Poland between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia?

Romania has internet? You must be one of those rich gypsies.

This is another one disgusting result of the Western policy: to kingdom come the West accused Romania that Romania did not integrate Gypsies well enough to please the West. Now that the Gypsies are supposedly integrated all the bad things they do in the West are being thrown by the West on Romanian's shoulders. Can you be more hypocrite that this? I guess not.

I was obviously just trying to get a rise out of you. lol. Success!

Unlike the Amerifags losers who run away from Europe their tail between their legs and who are decided to eradicate now all nations in Europe as revenge under the pretext that everything that is not like the US (multiculti kitsch) supposed to be bad, I do not suffer from identity crisis. Try your Gypsy-origins elsewhere.

Wut

gipsy is trying to tell you, that youre ehnically unpure or unclean.

we had citywide 100 Mbits connections since 2005-06 at dirt cheap prices. meanwhile Canadians/Americans moan about their shitty internet well into the 201x's. they pollute reddit constantly with their Comcast/Rogers whining and horror stories.

btw i was autoupgraded from 100 Mbps to 200 Mbps by my ISP with no extra cost ($12/mo). i can't be arsed to change the router though (has no Gigabit ports), all that config work isn't worth it atm because the rest of the world is holding us back anyway huehuehue

edit: sorry 200 Mbps, not 500 (that would cost about $1.5 more)

It's always funny how Americans and the like mock someone towards eastern europe having internet lol, meanwhile some countries around here have some of the best internet options

yeah, the Baltics smoke them too. high five!

ironically, youre highfiving someone with USSR flag..

next thing you know.. i might not even bear ill will towards regular Russian people. hopefully you'll catch that irony as well!

ironically the use of the flag itself may be ironical

Damn, I thought the troll was obvious. Leave it to Romanian's to totally miss sarcasm.

hey man, this is one of the few relevant things i can brag about on the internet related to my country. how would i miss a chance for it?

The Romanian Army had artillery pieces from World War 1. They were not prepared for a modern confrontation and Antonescu accepted to enter the war just to liberate the Romanian land under the Russian occupation (respectively Basarabia and Bucovina). He wanted to stop there. The fact that he was dragged further was the result of many insistences from the part of Hitler who assured Antonescu that his Army will do fine and made many promises to him. After the Crimean campaign where joined Romanian-German Armies were fighting with success Hitler overestimated the capabilities of the 3rd and 4th Romanian Armies and send them to defend the Southern and Northern flanks at Stalingrad. It was a strategic error, and the warnings of Paulus and Manstein who said to Hitler that the front was empty north of Stalingrad for more than 100 km did not have any visible result. I have thinking a lot about that specific battle. The best conclusion that I come with is that they should have been sending the Romanian Armies to fight inside the town while using the armored German Armies to attack North and South of Stalingrad over Volga. This would have been encircling the Russian artillery that bombarded the city during the entire operation and in case of a counteroffensive the Germans would have been holding the line (apparently there was a German Army group North of Stalingrad that supported the Russian assault along the Rumanians, the German Army Group 11 who according to Manstein "stood firm" the assault).
Then there are the numbers, the Rumanian Army consisted at the time of a few hundred thousands (unarmed and without tanks) while the Russian offensive totaled more than 1 million men with ten or more armored divisions. All my regards to the Red Army but I would not give this as the best example to glorify the victorious Russian Army.

It was a strategic error, and the warnings of Paulus and Manstein who said to Hitler that the front was empty north of Stalingrad for more than 100 km did not have any visible result. I have thinking a lot about that specific battle. The best conclusion that I come with is that they should have been sending the Romanian Armies to fight inside the town while using the armored German Armies to attack North and South of Stalingrad over Volga. This would have been encircling the Russian artillery that bombarded the city during the entire operation and in case of a counteroffensive the Germans would have been holding the line

the very reason that youre putting so much thought into it, is scary and wrong to even begin with.. silly gipsy chair general.

he's one of those who secretely wishes the Nazis have won.

guess you already know that, since think alikes notice each other from the distance right?

it's well know that anyone who disagrees with Russian imperialism is a fascist.

And anyone who disagrees with US imperialism is a terrorist. ;)

Did you see him call other posters terrorists?

So?

So he was replying to someone essentially calling him a fascist/Nazi-lover.

So?

So your reply misses the context of his statement, but ok, have your fun. So?

edit in response to your reply below: no.

So it seems to me the only one who missed something was you. So-so. :)

Many people in Eastern Ukraine are Russians and many other have close ties with Russia. If Russia would have taken Crimea and helping Eastern Ukraine without the acceptance of the population it would have been massive riots over there. The lack of resistance should be a good indicator about population's support. To the West this does not seem to matter at all. Besides, I have been considering Ukrainians as being Russians and most of the Western people seen them as well. Now that the interests of the EU and NATO are targeting Ukraine, it all came down to "Russia-the aggressor" (such a strange coincidence). Stop swallowing everything the Rumanian media spits. Also look to what EU did to our country: Romanian economy is in shambles, all factories destroyed, Italians are buying as many properties as they can (started to buy land as well), the price on apartments quadrupled and the politicians have no free will at all, they are all Brussels puppets. Our natural resources? Gone, sold to the highest or the smartest bidder foreign. There is no bright future for the country. In case the Romanian economy will revive and somehow people's wealth will go up then Romania will be hit demographically, coming to meet the well known in the West African invasions. EU brings to other states enslavement, financial debt and Islam. EU = the death of nations and the extinction of the European population.

let's not put it all on foreigners. what about the systemic corruption, laziness, backward mentality (apathy at best) in a big chunk of our fellow country men?

i'm glad Italians/Westerners buy land here and do something with it, especially when it comes to agriculture, instead of being owned by idle drunkard peasants who let the best soil in EU rot and lose its properties: http://i.imgur.com/TmKdaFz.jpg (dat green Chernozem! Ukraine is full of it as well)

EU brings to other states enslavement, financial debt and Islam. EU = the death of nations and the extinction of the European population.

our debt comes from too much stealing by the cleptocracy in power. if we had a decent administration, we would absorb as much EU funds as possible and put this country on its feet, but it's hard to take EU money for free and build something with it, when you can steal taxpayer money with no accountability and do nothing.

EU doesn't have a common immigration policy btw.

I only hope that Russia doesn't really want Global War.

If such thing will happen, here in Poland, we are fucked up.

frenchies and engrishes will send us postcards, again.

You are Polish? lololol? Didn't know.

hell yeah, comrade.

cmon, who else than a Pole would pick a nick refering to VHS era and shitty movie with Christopher Lambert?

Your nickname on other hand sounds like character's name from Street Fighter 2 on Amiga500.

much worse :< its frome anime :<

Holy shit. And you laugh at Poles. Are you from Germany or what.

Yes.

That explains a lot.

you also is original as fuck. w'0000p w0000p

I only hope that Russia doesn't really want Global War.

Putin != Russia

But still, I guess the guy does want his war and seems to have at least some support from the Russian people.

Putin != Russia.

You are right. I shouldn't say smth like that.

The ones promoting asymetric wars (genocides) and war in general are the ones in NATO led by USA and UK, they need a WW3 to continu their economic and military supremacy, the longer they wait the moe they lose the capability for a global war win because others country are catching up on the technology lead they had for decades.

The ones lying to their citizen and promoting liberticid laws are also the ones in NATO, led by USA nad UK.

Remember Collin Powell? 3 million Irakians dead. USA lost more soldiers suiciding back at home than on the "warfield". Such heros soldiers.

USA's military is specialised in asymetric agressive attacks, all their war potential are agressive potentials (aircraft carrier, sea war vessels.

That and the only country of the world that uses illegal weapons are USA and israel. Remember Vietnam? Agent Orange produced by Monsanto (jewish family). White Phosphore used by israel on civilians in 2006 in Palestin, Uranium slugs used in Afghanistan and Irak, and... who's the only country ever using atomic bomb??? USA. Not 1 time but 2 times.

You brainwashed about Russia it seems. Mass mdia doing their job, and it works on 90% of the people. Including you.

I doubt they want ww exactly, considering that most part of the globe will be destroyed in hours after it starts, so I do not see how they are going to capitalise on it and how do they plan to survive at first place :\

Obama does want WW3. They're broke. They're trillions of dollars in debt. You know how you fix that? You create a phoney war.

The sad truth is that a lot of this media coverage is so hilariously bad, if people had any shred of common sense, you'd see right through it. It's so ridiculous it doesn't even make any sense.

but I still fail to understand how is he going to guarantee his own survival in this case and most importantly what will he do in the radioactive wasteland? Even during Cuban missile crisis US and USSR managed to understand that nuclear was not the way to go, and the power of those weapons was not even remotely close to modern.

Obama is a puppet. He matters to no one. Who benefits from war? Arms dealers, construction companies, resource companies, etc. Obama means absolutely nothing.

even more so, those people should be more rational then politicians hence even less chance, that they need nuclear war.
Anyways you seem to be upset with Obama&Co did they hurt Canada in some way?

Canada is extremely tied to the USA. They're our largest trading partner. Essentially, if they go down, we unfortunately go down with them. If they want to start a war with Russia, unfortunately, we go to war with Russia.

Who profits from disease? Hospitals, medical companies, surgeons, doctors. So they must be the cause of it.

Uhh, you gotta be denser than mercury if you don't realize that big pharma benefits from disease.

yes, but they are not the cause? Hellohooo???

How do you even know that ?

Ebola bullshit going on in Africa, two us doctors get infected, go back to homeland and *puff* cured...

I have cancer now, and that is not because of the pharma-industry, but because of comments like that - thank you dem0n :P

I genuinely can't believe we actually got to this point on the conspiracy theory scale :-D

go back to getting raped by gienon's comments please I was not talking with you.

I did not reply to your post. Don't let me distract you from getting your tinfoil hat.

Care Bear land, this is the world you live in pal:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews...0986_1.jpg

HF there, let smart people try to think for themselves will ya.

Given your history of people you think are smart, it renders the phrase completely useless.

And what is that history exactly ?

If by "smart" you mean "misinformed" and "gullible", then sure, you're right up there :-) And no, not being a conspiracy theorist does not mean one is naďve, unaware of the political realities of the world, or that one lacks critical thinking skills.

Calling everything that does not suit your vision of things a "conspiracy theory" is I find a fine definition for beeing naive.

I don't call "everything that does not suit [my] vision of things" a conspiracy theory. What I do call conspiracy theories are the ideas that "hospitals, medical companies, surgeons, doctors" purposively started the Ebola outbreak, and that Obama is actively pushing for WW3.

Gienon was right when he said you were a sneaky little one.

Picking a line that came from a guy you agree with that used some retarded example thinking he could make an analogy with a remarkable but failed attempt at sarcasm, and then making your contradictors look like they're the ones who have said that.

Dude you're setting the bar very high at beeing dishonest.

But what can I say, that seems to be your way of doing things. Comparing people who question the big pharmacology companies' way of doing things with people wearing tinfoil hats.

People like you, who can't make a distinct difference between people who believe aliens are amongst us or that we never walked on the moon and those who simply believe they might have gotten cheated on by their wives are just ridiculous. One day the boomerang will come right back in your chin for beeing such a fraud and a clown.

Klijngsor mentioned that "hospitals, medical companies, surgeons, doctors" were not the cause behind the outbreaks of diseases despite profiting from the existence of the said diseases. You replied to his statement that they were not the cause with the question "How do you even know that?". That's you questioning his assertion that the actors he mentioned are not behind the outbreaks of diseases (in this case, Ebola). Like I said, I clearly consider the idea that the actors he mentioned (which I referred to with the quote - I wasn't attributing the quote itself to you) are behind the outbreak of Ebola to be a conspiracy theory. Did I say that questioning the motives and sometimes actions of pharmaceutical companies makes someone a conspiracy theorist? No.

Stop attempting to portray me as someone who rejects all questioning of political authority or systems of power. That's the very thing I do in my work as a social scientist. What I do reject is the kind of simplistic and Manichean rantings against "the evil elite" that come without any shred of evidence, understanding of the topic, and actual research on the issues, from people who think they're the only ones with common sense and critical thinking but are in reality completely oblivious to the fact that they're gulping anti-government drivel the same way others are gulping pro-government drivel. By endorsing ridiculous and simply false accusations like "Obama wants a 3rd World War", conspiracy theorists are doing a tremendous disservice to actual intelligent and researched questioning and analysis of government policies, structures of power, and mechanisms of diffusion of ideologies.

I never said Obama wants war BTW.

Simple question for you: do you or do you not think some people MIGHT profit from a major scale wars, or from any smaller conflicts for that matter ?

If yes, then shut up for eternity and beyond, and let's close this topic. Got other things to do.

I never argued you said it - I mentioned it as a conspiracy theory. You did + the very post in which wormed made the statement "Obama does want WW3", though, which does indicate support for what he wrote.

Of course many people profit from the existence of armed conflicts, from both the public and private sectors. And that's the point - this is investigated, studied, and analyzed seriously by plenty of people (albeit never enough), in particular social scientists. You won't find this type of research in youtube videos about the illuminati, the new world order, and Obama wanting WW3, or on the numerous popular conspiracy websites of the Infowars type.

I don't do illuminati videos nor websites.

I just read both official media (in which there are also several different point of views you can gather eg Russia pov vs USA pov) and unorthodox, independant, alternative media off internet, and make my opinion based on the comparison.

Your domain is sociology from what I understand, mine is to analyze how the media filter and process the information they gather. That makes me probably more qualified than you when it comes to understanding the bias and the mecanisms between valuable information and distorted information.


If we dig a little deeper in that thought, I'm pretty sure everything you analyze comes from official, authorized sources which I have learned to be suspicious about in my field of interest. It has nothing to do with your constant banter about conspiracy theories and how much fun it sounds for you to ridicule it.

That conspiracy term has been used left and right to shut down any possible thought process about the world we live in. The way it works is just genius when you think about it: "hey someone thinks this politician might be corrupt, let's laugh at him for believing in aliens and putting a tinfoil hat on his head!"... wait what ?!

As I've said before, we do not live in Care Bear Land.

Wether or not USA wants to go to war is simply wether USA wants to continue beeing #1 in the world or if they want to get completely overwhelmed by their collapsing economy and their humongous debt. Heck, you're probably not thick enough to still believe USA attacked Afghanistan and Irak to get rid of terrorism, are you ? But maybe that's too "conspirationista" for you, I don't know... Tinfoil hat bra.

Sociology? Economics? Yea, that's about right. He speaks like a holier-than-thou retard that takes a plethora of useless classes and then regurgitates his textbooks.

Keep reading textbooks; stay ignorant to reality.

Naghokez, reminds me of this political cartoon I saw. In it, there was a tall wall, and a man standing in front of it. Drawn on the wall was a normal city scape, plants, trees, etc. Above the wall, was war, death, demise, dollar signs.

Again, the sad part about it is that mainstream media is so god damn retarded, and if anyone had a shred of logical thought, they'd see how utterly unbelievable it is.

He needs to get with the times. It's 2014, and the internet is full of information. Unfortunately, the higher powers are not out there to benefit the people. The moment this guy realizes it, maybe he'll start seeing things for what they are.

Yeah, who needs an education when you've got the internet and youtube videos about 9/11 being an inside job and Obama wanting to launch WW3. We've got you now, "higher powers"!

You know, a part of me wishes I was still ignorant, but unfortunately I'm not. In your case, ignorance is bliss... but it's still ignorance.

Since we're on the subject of your ignorance, do you also believe 9/11 was an inside job?

Ahhh, the litmus paper test for the masses. Clearly, if I think 9/11 is an inside job, I'm a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist! Meanwhile, there are projects like Architects and Engineer's for 9/11 truth that appeared on C-span, and brought forth legitimate questions as to what happened.

Was it an inside job? I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. However, if you had any iota of brain power, you'd probably sit there and question how the fuck some of the things that happened that day actually occurred. Instead, it seems you'd rather stick your wannabe intellectual head in the sand and scream petty insults like "conspiracy theorist" as if it's a negative.

I do know. If you're asking yourself if the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks, it didn't. Glad to have been of help.

Again, must be nice living in your world of ignorance but it's still ignorance.

I do ignore where exactly you got the idea that Obama wanted to start WW3. I'm confident there was robust peer-reviewing behind your source, though.

Wanted? Jesus, l2propertense. He wants to. WANTS. Fek.

I believe I have some leeway in this regard, but in any case you know you're doing great in a discussion when you've resorted to attacking the English grammar of a non-native speaker.

Lmao, haven't seen someone crushed like this on ESR in a while. [+] for you.

My domain is political science, in particular international relations and security studies. I work as a research fellow. Please do not assume you are "more qualified than [me]" when it comes analyzing information, in particular information pertaining to political issues. I don't see the relevance of an argument from authority in any case.

The picture you are trying to paint of me listening carefully to what the government has to say is hilarious. So is the idea that you're going to get an in-depth understanding of any issue by comparing "official media" and "unorthodox, [...] alternative media off internet" and going with what feels plausible to you. Have you ever opened the pages of a scientific journal like Cultures & Conflits, for example? Or Security Dialogue? You'll find them full of articles which are brilliantly critical (in the scientific sense) of, and de-construct, structures and relations of power, narratives of conflict, etc., all through serious research and sometimes fieldwork. Please stop imagining that one lives in "carebear land" just because one has standards of evidence and of critical thinking that go a little beyond what your "unorthodox media" has to offer. And seriously, go open any issue of those two journals and tell me you can't find articles that challenge and question the types of political narratives that are often taken for granted.

The term "conspiracy theory" can indeed be used to silence legitimate criticism and questioning, but it can also be used to refer to exactly what I denounced and what you can find in wormed's posts (which you, again, + repeatedly, which says a lot), namely ignorant and oversimplified accusations on topics these people have little to no actual knowledge of, based on the idea that there's a unified elite controlling (almost) everything. Again, they do a disservice to actual research on political issues, and they're anything but the exercise of critical thinking.

If you think spouting off "conspiracy theorist" is a legitimate retort and can be used to silence anyone, maybe you should go back to school. No one here is going to do the digging for you because I'm sure it'd be met with the same blunt and ignorant "stone-wall" brainless approach.

You're a research "fellow"? Damn, you're terrible at your work.

Naming off journals like it's factual is the epitome of gullible ignorance. You do realize journals can be bought, right? You understand that there are many journals, even medical, that can be used in exactly this way -- give some basic econ major the idea that he's actually learning the truth.

Lol. GO READ THIS JOURNAL. BOOM! Because all studies are unbiased, right? Jesus, you're dumb.

Did you read the sentence wrong? The first part was me agreeing with dem0n that the term is indeed sometimes used to attempt to silence valid criticism. Holy shit you're dense.

edit following your edit: yes, I know the quality of scientific journals varies, but there are several indicators you can use to get an idea of the journal's standards, for example the type of peer-reviewing and whether you have to pay to get in it. The two journals I listed as examples are excellent publications. But yeah, I'm sure in your mind they don't compare to your conspiracy websites.

> The term "conspiracy theory" can indeed be used to silence legitimate criticism and questioning...

It can? Cool.

> Did you read the sentence wrong? The first part was me agreeing with dem0n that the term is indeed sometimes used to attempt to silence valid criticism. Holy shit you're dense.

> The term "conspiracy theory" can indeed be used to silence legitimate criticism and questioning...

It can? Cool.

What do you fail to understand about that sentence?

My domain is political science, in particular international relations and security studies.

Which is probably one of the most recurrent domain for most of the high figures in politics nowadays, together with economists. Which is an indication in itself that it does not make you fraud-proof.

Who said it made me fraud-proof? You're the one who mistakenly said my domain was probably sociology, and who proceeded to assert you were more qualified than me to analyze information.

Not to analyze information in itself. Information is a pretty general term. I'd say I'm more qualified to distinguish how the same information can be displayed by different sources...

And I'd say you're not, at least when it comes to the type of information we've been talking about here. But let's agree to disagree.

> I'd say I'm more qualified

I'm genuinely curious: Why do you believe this is true?

I'm not saying I agree with you or disagree with you. I'm not setting you up for a trick or to troll you. I just want to know, since you seem to believe it to be the case. =)

Basic rage-inducing rant because I got fed up by him showing up his credentials in order to try and turn the argument around in his favour :).

Okie dokie. Thank you.

See? No tricks. :D

Where did I do that?

edit since you're not answering: you're the one who brought up your domain of expertise, and assigned one to me, in order to "prove" that you were more qualified than me at analyzing treatment of information. Not the other way around.

the battle for belgium has begun

The irony of being called gullible and misinformed by you is hilarious but it'll probably be lost on you.

Right - don't let this thread make you forget your daily dose of Alex Jones though, you don't want to miss any of that enlightening stuff on Obama's upcoming 3rd world war.

Sad. Maybe when the EU crumbles, you'll read some real news.

No, I'll probably be too busy scraping for food in the nuclear wasteland that Europe will have become. If only the sheeple had listened to you...!

Maybe your town can get shelled by a puppet government instead. That'd probably happen before nuclear war. You can knock on demon's door and he can say, "I told you so" for all of us.

Yeah, those damn Illuminati sure know how to make their puppet governments dance!

I'd say clearly but ... y'know.

I know, you have an Inforwars show to catch. Go crazy.

Why do you keep on bringing that Illuminati stuff, little one ?

They don't even have an official website, however Bilderberg's group does if you want: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/

Pssst, he's not very bright.

Don't forget The Paris Club.

Is that supposed to be news to anyone? Should your post have been accompanied by a dramatic sound effect?

I got a sound effect for you:

*whooosh*

Is that the sound inside of what's between your ears?

You may have understood what I meant but I'm going to pretend you didn't.

lol, no, dumbass. Whoosh, right over your head. I need to write an email to your University. It's clear you need a refund.

I did understand, yes, which is why my reply to you also referred to the sound the wind makes, implying an empty head. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

... I just said that you may ha... ...

...

wow.

And I confirmed it, but you seem to enjoy pretending, including that you know what you're talking about.

Holy shit. This goes way over your head and you know it. That's why you act all sarcastic and 'cool', while being envious of that Belgian dudes education.

My mom says I'm cool.

I'm just wondering why you have to justify your "such wow rational, such wow scientific, such wow objective" points of view by a full attempt at sarcasm everytime. Aliens, Illuminati...

To me it sounds like a delusional kid who's got his dreams crushed when he discovered that the aliens may not invade us after all and that we did actually walk on the moon, turning him into a ferocious anti-conspiracy theorist, and seeing his own self in every person who tries to go against the order of things.

So stop making fun of wormed by going full retard everytime and get down to earth with the rest of us.

Please, I've replied to you and wormed seriously plenty of times, I've even sent you a conciliatory PM to explain my stance better, and you keep misrepresenting my position as if I was out of touch with reality because I do not fall for the oversimplified drivel you seem to be fond of. I've explained clearly to you the difference between actual questioning and research on the one hand and conspiracy theories on the other. If you don't feel like making the effort to actually read in-depth scientific analysis of those issues to educate yourself and prefer to indulge in the black and white world views that make everything seem so simple to understand, that's your problem, but don't be surprised when ridiculous assertions of the type "Obama wants to start WW3" (I know it didn't come from you, but you still seem to adhere to it) get made fun of by people who actually know what they're talking about.

At least you said "wants" instead of "wanted"

EDIT: Oh and made fun of? I'm genuinely not taking offense by anything you say. You're more than welcome to pump yourself up with repeatedly calling me a conspiracy theorist. You know, if that gets you hard and all.

...weirdo.

Where does your extensive knowledge on the matter of international politics come from, if I dare ask?

Oh, I wasn't aware I needed a plethora of useless courses from University to talk about a subject.

Where did I say that?
How is academical education useless?
Where does your extensive knowledge on the matter of international politics come from, if I dare ask?

The world.

Okay, cool.

Care to answer my second question?

Clearly, economics and politics is a volatile subject. The biggest issue stems from the idea (or fact) that politics, in and of itself, is pock marked with corruption and back door dealings. Now, I could live in a dream world like my Belgian friend, but unfortunately, I don't. With this in mind, is it plausible that education today is not up to date? Is it plausible that education today isn't truthful, as it is based on lies in the first place? Is it plausible -- and you can find instances of this online -- that professors who seek to teach contemporary politics are fired, removed from tenure and seemingly made to look like "tin foil hat wearing" kooks? Is it plausible that political journals, which is being used as a basis for argument, can be rife with bias?

Most of those are rhetorical because the answer is obviously yes.

To ask anyone where their extensive knowledge of <insert subject> comes from is ridiculous. There is diploma/degree/masters/PhD worthy information on the internet. You may be formally educated in making badass latte's at Starbucks with little unicorns in the foam, but that doesn't mean you don't go home and read copious amounts of whatever subject truly interests you. Am I interested in politics? Not really, but I do like to keep informed. Whether or not you think my "informed" is based on conspiracy theories is your own opinion. However, the biggest issue is that too many people are closed to the idea that things aren't as flowers and rainbows as they think it is. I do find it funny that I'm being accused of not being a critical thinker. The irony is there for me to laugh at but again, it isn't found in certain people.

Oh, but to answer your second question: you got me, academics is not useless. I have an assortment of courses that I'll never really use to their full extent but were they useless? I guess not.

Now, I could live in a dream world like my Belgian friend, but unfortunately, I don't.

How the hell could you get that impression? Seriously?

Is it plausible that education today isn't truthful, as it is based on lies in the first place?

What lies are these?

Is it plausible that -- and you can find instances of this online -- that professors who seek to teach contemporary politics are fired, removed from tenure and seemingly made to look like "tin foil hat wearing" kooks?

Well, you really should be precise here, because if this happened to a legit professor, I'd reckon he could just find another university and keep on teaching.

Is it plausible that political journals, which is being used as a basis for argument, can be rife with bias?

Depends on the political journal, does it not? The problem is: You say that they COULD be rife with bias, so you don't read them?! There's a list of scientific journals on the topic, if you're interested. Thousands of pages of knowledge, scientific research and opinions.
I assume that not all of them are obligated to the Status Quo or "the elites".
And to go even further, and to give a counter example to your fired professors: What if I was a PhD who writes a critical article which gets published in one of those journals. That would be evidence of them being unbiased, no?

So I get you're a student, too, right? Wouldn't you say you have a field of expertise in which you excel MUCH better than people who read some stuff on the internet?
Because the difference between learning and specializing on a topic for 10+ fucking years is that you're much better at understanding and using the information that is given.

I hate when people dissect posts. It's weak. So I'm going to ignore those parts.

Regarding political journals, sure, it could depend on the political journal, it could depend on the person writing it, it could depend on who is sponsoring/funding the journal, it could depend on who is sponsoring/funding the author, it could depend on a countless list of element which could lead to a tainted article. Maybe you didn't read the whole "am I interested in politics?" part of my reply. No, I don't read journals because I don't care to dig deep into politics. I care about news. I care about seeing both sides of the puzzle. Reading some trite research article on a subject that probably has nothing to do with the current situation in Ukraine, for example, means little to me. Will it allow me to impress people on ESReality because I can regurgitate author names and journals which seemingly gives me divine authority on "truth"? Apparently.

Once a professor is given a "scarlet letter" in academia, it isn't as simple as, "welp, time to go apply to the OTHER ivy league school!" Academia is immensely tied to each other and generally supportive of the decisions each make.

Here's an example: recently, a whistleblower just came out and revealed that some scientific data was removed from an intensive study regarding MMR vaccines and autism. You can easily google this and find that this isn't some "conspiracy theory", it's out there now in most mainstream outlets. It'll probably get buried extremely quickly, however. Anyway, one of the original doctors to find that there was an increase in autism in relation to African-American boys and MMR vaccines, he attempted to have this information out into the world. I believe his name was Dr. Wakefield. He was made into a kook, a crazy person, and as you know, the correlation between autism and vaccines has been trampled on for years. He wasn't allowed to just join some other hospital or University or think tank to conduct any more research. He was made into a crazy pariah and ousted from the academic community. This is just an example of the power. It isn't hard to silence a critic or to simply blast them with publicity that paints them in a "crazy" light. (Also, this study doesn't say vaccines cause autism, just that there was a strong correlation between MMR vaccine and African American boys <36 months old -- for my own opinion, I think vaccines have done great things but these are facts that should be told, and they were systematically removed from the study.)

So to go with your last paragraph, that study made it to many scientific journals. Many took it as fact. So, with that said, I choose to find and utilize information from a plethora of sources and never limiting myself to just one side of the story. If I read a journal that was corrupt and essentially a "pay-to-publish", I've already fucked myself. So no, I don't find that someone educated on politics or economics in today's educational system to be better than information and education you can find online.

But why do you think a student of International Relations only listens to one side of the story?
Why do you assume that he just regurgitates author names and journals?

I, too, choose to find as much sources as possible and never limit myself to one side of the story, but I would never state that 'Obama wants World War 3', because that's one hell of a stupid remark.

And what about my last paragraph? The actual last.

Because I've read his posts.

EDIT:

Comparing what I'm educated in and what he is educated in is extremely different and, in my opinion, hardly comparable. I have a Kinesiology background and am working towards my MscPT. Fortunately, there isn't any real corruption when it comes to how the body functions. I mean, we could talk about big pharma, but that's another can of worms. However, if we're simply talking about what I'm educated in, then it is simply how the body functions and all that entails.

I will say this though, there are definitely studies out there that are published that attempt to show correlations between say, "a new sport drink" and its benefits. This is where I need to understand the study, the controls, the variables, the data as a whole. I have found many studies that I have deemed unacceptable when it comes to using them as legitimate examples in papers. Do I find lots of data I agree with online? Definitely. Do I find lots of data I don't agree with in journals? For sure.

Is it possible for me to run into someone who doesn't have the same education as me and still school me in current, contemporary ideas? Totally. My girlfriend is a massage therapist, and although she doesn't necessarily have the "excess" education (you know, the bullshit fluff option courses one needs to obtain a degree), but her focus is strictly on her craft. This allows her to still give me insight and teach me things I don't know.

EDIT 2: "but I would never state that 'Obama wants World War 3'", what you find stupid is plausible to many others. Obviously, using such a bombastic term like "World War 3" is meant to describe the gravitas of the situation. Will it become a World War? Maybe. However, will it progress into the USA/NATO progressing into eastern Europe? Will we see more illegal wars with the middle east? I lean towards probably.

He disagrees with you and he explained why. Problem?

He can disagree all he wants. The problem is that it isn't necessarily based on all the data. For example, taking something out of context doesn't paint the whole picture. The difference between him and I, at least when it comes to news, is I at least know both sides of the story. I then choose to believe the one that makes the most sense. I don't, however, give a shit about how many journals he's read as it's irrelevant.

That's the thing - it's not irrelevant at all. Without the type of research that I mentioned, you're left with absolutely nothing but a "gut feeling", and what you consider to be "common sense", to "choose to believe" whatever simplified version of a complex issue appears the most likely to you. You have no understanding of the underlying dynamics of these complex social phenomena and political crises, and of these objects themselves, but you think that by listening to "both sides of the story" you can have a perfectly informed opinion. Sorry to disappoint you, but it requires a little bit more work than that, and the fact that you see a story as having "two sides" clearly underlines that you fail to grasp that being knowledgeable on an issue precisely requires going beyond the two (or more... saying "two sides" is in itself a simplification) militant versions of the object of study, and approach it scientifically (not limiting yourself to what the actors themselves have to say about it), in particular in its wider context. That you think I limit myself to "one side of the story" and base my opinion on it means not only that you are mistaken about me but also that you completely fail to understand the type of research and the scientific approach I've defended here.

can you "down to earth" guys have a bit more humility when it comes to something as complex as how the world works?

it's kinda tough to take someone my age seriously when he acts as if he's a 60 year old historian or a fucking head of state

Oh right, I'm not saying they spread ebola themselves, I'm just saying if you're so thick that you can't see that every once in a while they come up with some bullshit potentially pandemic disease so that they can sell their products then there's nothing to save with you and I'm genuinely relieved you out of anyone else have got cancer.

Yeah harsch I know :F, but in this world I'm getting fedup with thoughtless sheeps after a while.

are you saying I'm fat?

If you don't believe this world is rife with suppressed technology/medicine, there's no hope for you.

What are you trying to say?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2651424/#pid2651418

It is also clear that we do have the means to cure it, we just don't care enough for starving african niggers, they're expendable.

How is that "clear"? Because there's a 50/50 chance that a new drug might work?

A quick google search to find back that story that just made me grin a little:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/0...-to-speak/

Miraculous. Indeed...

In any case, what would you say if they bring in an untested drug and kill a thousand people instead of saving them?

Go say that to the 1500+ africans who already died.

And your kind call me a "gullible" person... I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. Obama wants everything but a war. One of the pillars of his foreign policy stance since his first mandate has precisely been to "rebuild at home", painting an unstable economy as a security threat to the U.S. You do realize that wars increase the debt, right?

Um, you got absolutely no clue yourself. One of his foreign policy stances? Do you realize that Obama has broken every single promise he made? Do you realize he's put the USA in more debt than Bush did? Do you realize he's started more wars than the Bush administration combined?

You do realize that when I say he wants a war because they're trillions of dollars in debt, I mean it. The pretence of war is simply the rallying cry he needs to essentially ignore the debt. The continuation of "raising the debt" ceiling, and the continuation of "borrowing" money that doesn't even exist. This will increase the debt, yes, but this is essentially a way for people to FORGET ABOUT IT.

You're a god damn IDIOT if you think Obama has done anything for the USA but continue its downward fall.

No, Obama has not broken every single promise he made, that's ridiculous hyperbole - he's broken many, and not broken many others, like pretty much every other elected official. He inherited an economy that was in free-fall, which makes the debt increase completely unsurprising. Deficits have been slowly going down since 2009. I'm not sure what's the relevance of attempting to attack him on the debt increase. From your railing against raising the debt ceiling (something which doesn't even need to be raised in almost any other country on the planet because they don't have a nonsensical debt ceiling in the first place) and against borrowing money which you think "doesn't even exist", I'm going to conclude that you indeed do not have the slightest idea about economics and advise you to take a course or read a book on the subject that isn't endorsed by Ron Paul. In addition, I wasn't even talking about his electoral promises but about his actual foreign policy approach in office.

With regards to your affirmation that he's "started more wars than the Bush administration", I'd reply that's hardly true unless you consider sending military advisers/personnel to countries already engulfed in conflict/civil wars as "starting a war" (I have a feeling that's what you were referring to, for example with U.S. involvement in Uganda). Even in Libya, the civil war was already going on before NATO's intervention. In any case, all of that is hardly comparable to Bush's starting of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I do realize that you mean it, because like I said it's painfully obvious you do not know what you're talking about. You are referring to something that's called in social sciences the "rally around the flag effect", which is typically short-term and would in this case probably be virtually non-existent for a conflict not supported by the American population (see the polls on U.S. involvement in Ukraine) and that in your scenario would be seen as having been created/escalated by the U.S. It would in addition hardly make the public forget about the economic situation, especially given the current emphasis on debt levels and the impact on the debt that a new war would have. In short, your assertion that Obama "does want WW3" is completely baseless & non-factual, and basically only rooted in your extremely simplistic and probably largely uneducated understanding of politics.

I'd like to add that I'm very critical of many aspects of Obama's foreign policy, since I'm guessing that your binary worldview is inevitably going to lead you to consider me a militaristic neoconservative sheep just because I pointed out that it is factually false to assert that Obama would like a war to erupt. Again, he would prefer the exact opposite, namely a quiet foreign policy front allowing him to focus on the economy and preventing the Republicans from accusing him of not doing enough to protect U.S. interests abroad and the security of American citizens (they are currently exploiting the rise of ISIS and the situation with regards to Russia exactly in that manner).

edit: not surprised by the quality of your reply below :-)

Confirmed clueless Belgian. Take your basic econ 201 class and keep pretending you're in the know.

As if your view of the economy (or at least the policy proposals and sparse analysis I've seen from you) extends an inch beyond the circular flow/AS-AD crude caricature ;D I'm also pretty sure I've read a post from you, in which you went full "labour theory of value" retard but I don't have the direct link, so I will not advise you to take a course or read a book on the subject that isn't endorsed by Robert Reich. Keep thinking "your side" lets the facts do the talking, as opposed to those dogmatic end-the-fed-cheering, birth-control-denying white male racist creationists.

Sorry, Mises and Rothbard apologists do not get to lecture others on facts :-) And no, that was most likely not me defending LTV. This discussion was about foreign policy anyway, and I have a feeling you don't disagree with what I said to wormed on the matter.

Any sources in particular you can direct me to, so that I can stop being an apologist for two radical Jews?

It's remarkable how you produce a wall of text in response to someone who says Obama is pushing for a world war but dismiss a genuine objection to your outlook on the economy with a single sentence. I begin to see why you fancy yourself a scholar.

I'm not interested in debating economics with you. Why should I force myself to follow your derailment of the issue that was being discussed? If you don't want to discuss foreign policy, that's your problem, not mine.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know you're the only one who can question your debater's economic expertise in a discussion about foreign policy.

From your railing against raising the debt ceiling (...) and against borrowing money which you think "doesn't even exist", I'm going to conclude that you indeed do not have the slightest idea about economics and advise you to take a course or read a book on the subject that isn't endorsed by Ron Paul.

I'll shut up now.

Yes, that was me mentioning in passing the points which had been tied to Obama's foreign policy by the original poster. I'm not sure how you got from this that I was interested in discussing with you economic matters completely unrelated to foreign policy. I hope I've cleared the confusion. Don't hesitate to ask if you need me to bold and underline the statement "I'm not interested in debating economics with you" to help you process it.

No, you responded to the deficit charge earlier in the paragraph. Then you proceeded to assert two things: 1. debt ceiling is pointless, 2. government doesn't borrow non-existent money, and without a single word of explanation you concluded, as if those assertions were in and of themselves proof enough, that he is clueless about economics.

Second of all, excuse me while I don't care what you're interested in discussing. You declined to offer sources and rested your case on ridiculing Mises and Rothbard (which I have substantial evidence from this forum that you haven't read much or even at all) and then decided to draw an arbitrary line between what constitutes a "derailment of the issue" and a mention "in passing the points (...) by the original poster", although, as I've shown in the first paragraph, your mention was so much "in passing" that you haven't bothered to explain what was wrong about those points. Simply stating them revealed the inherent contradiction, according to you. Don't get too much up in arms when I did the exact same thing to the circular flow and AS-AD, which I read you view the economy through on a number of occasions (consciously or not).

Yes, those two things were, as I said, "me mentioning in passing the points which had been tied to Obama's foreign policy by the original poster". Do you understand what "in passing" means? And indeed, from his statements on the matter, I concluded that he was clueless about those points. Since I'm not interested in discussing economics, though, I did not and will not elaborate further. Have I mentioned that I'm not interested in discussing economics?

I don't doubt for one second that you have plenty of evidence I haven't read either of these authors - probably the kind of flawless evidence that led you to state that you were "pretty sure" I defended LTV somewhere, even though that's completely false. Who's getting "up in arms"? You're apparently disappointed I decided not to follow your derailment, and have visibly chosen to vent your frustration by dragging on a discussion that is, unfortunately for you, still not going to be about economics. I thought you were going to shut up? Or was this your way of telling me you do need the statement in bold and underlined to get it? Here you go: I'm not interested in debating economics with you.

Yes, while I expose your double standard in what arguments you find allowable to you on one hand and people you disagree with on the other, proceed to rephrasing your position and adding some highly advanced, I presume, psychoanalysis about my state of mind.

I purposefully used the same faulty argument on you that you have one post above used on wormed and watched you come up with an arbitrary distinction how yours was just so much on-topic while mine was a "derailment of the issue".

Yes, you need to express yourself in bold because a very small fraction of the population is smart enough to grasp the wisdom bestowed upon you. Keep operating under that assumption and I'm sure you'll get a call from Stockholm at some point. Or was that your attempt at humor? If so, brains AND wits!

That's my stop, I guess. I will not read your third attempt at rephrasing what you already have written previously. I probably wouldn't understand it anyway, would I? I'm sure there's gotta be a Mises or Rothbard statement somewhere to be apologetic about.

There is no double standard - I replied rapidly to comments he made (and linked to Obama's foreign policy) while pointing our that I did not see their relevance, and you decided to butt in and derail the discussion into a debate on economics linked to previous exchanges between us you half imagined. Again, I'm sorry you were disappointed I did not follow suit.

Since you now seem to have grasped that we were not going to discuss economics, and since despite jumping in the exchange you weren't interested in discussing foreign policy in the first place, your posts now seem to revolve around getting a good last word in to secure a dignified exit. I hope you're happy with your latest performance, since this will hopefully spare us you going back for the third time on your wise decision to shut up.

Yep. Obama put USA in more depts Volume then USA in his entire hostory since Lincoln. And all this in less than a decade :s

> put USA in more depts Volume then USA in his entire hostory since Lincoln.

Incorrect. I don't like our current guy, but that info you said is plain wrong.

In 1865, national debt was 2.6 Billion:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd...histo2.htm


Debt grew from $10 Trillion at end of 2008(he took office Jan., 2009):

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd...histo5.htm

to $17 Trillion, currently:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

So, it has increased by ~$7 Trillion since taking office. Meanwhile, from lincoln through 2008, it went up by almost $10 Trillion.

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This part of the post in just inflation-based facts:

What cost $17,000,000,000,000(17 trillion) in 2013 would cost $1,132,675,689,761.07(1.132 trillion) in 1865, had inflation never occurred from 1865 until 2013. I would have used 2014 but the websites I found only went up to 2013. Some also only went back to 1913 so I had to do some digging. D:

In other words, if the much smaller USA had equivalent debt as today, it would be $1.132 Trillion dollars. Though, the population back then was only about 35 million people(just over 10% of today's population).

did you just said no while proving what i said was right?

lol

Obama does want WW3. They're broke. They're trillions of dollars in debt. You know how you fix that? You create a phoney war.

isn't it more simple not to pay? who's gonna strongarm US into paying anyway?
they can hardly squeeze their money back out of Greece, ffs

conspiratards always with the most byzantine/outlandish scenarios..

No country has it easy on the bond market soon after a default. The last thing the US government wants is to pay through their nose in interest to bondholders or balance a budget over one year. I'm not saying he's right but that's how he might respond to you, in keeping with the reasoning in his previous post.

then all they need is keep printing like they're doing now

I guess they can't keep printing money because it's works exactly like taxes. The more money they print the less society will have in their pockets, I mean the less products they can buy with this money. It's called inflation. Because this thievery, Americans getting poorer and poorer so they could make revolution.

That sure worked for the Zimbabwean dollar for three decades in a row (till they abandoned any notion of national currency as a result of turbo-hyperinflation), and is working out just as fine for the Japanese Yen right now. TO THE PRINTING MACHINES!

this analogy makes no sense. USD has the quality of being both petrodollar and an international currency.
the US is the issuer of a de facto transnational currency. who would really check on them?
the power projection of the US navy/army keeps this hegemony in place too of course.

as for Zimbabwe, well.. can you see how ridiculous this is?

"Being both petrodollar (worolol) and an international currency" doesn't make a currency unit magically immune from inflation, it's regulated from within. And nothing keeps the NASDAQ climbing as well as maintaining the appearence for the need of the US Army/Navy to the general public like a good ole' conflict.

Yeah, like how did they capitalize after ww2 ?

Oh bro, they only just dominated the entire world for the next 70 years...

Fact is there NEEDS to be a world war not only to divert the population of the world from their crimes (like you know, making money out of thin air for decades) but also to make sure their world dominance remains.

What do you think will happen if they just sit back and relax while their economy collapses and the population decides to hang them up on trees, all the while China and India rise to become the world's center of economic and military wealth ? Oh right, I basically answered that already in the same sentence.

Third world war is happening sadly, and we're not talking about 10 or 30 millions of deaths this time, I think we can easily aim for half a billion this time around.

That will also make those "depopulation" psychos happy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGEbLJfDnSY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwMOoIJr5U

And if you think they care about so many deaths, then I shall remind you the 2008 food bubble crisis operated by those reckless bastards through speculation that led 250 millions more people in a state of starvation in the world.

They dont fucking care about human lives or how many cities are gonna get destroyed...

those are good points, but one thing I still do not get. Lets say it is WW3 what is going to happen? Nuclear missiles will be used, that basically means that in some hours North America, Europe, Asia and Australia will be no more, they all will be raze to the ground, that will probably take away at least 2/3 of the globe population. So my question is the same how and what exactly are they going to rule after basically nothing is left.

Big difference with WW2 there were no nuclear weapons. And after the war there were still alot of people alive, territories are still usable etc.

I still believe world war 3 is not gonna happen directly between the US and Russia, but at first through Israel and probably Iran of some sort, which would inevitably make all muslim states at war against Israël, which would then include USA because they will have to protect Israël, etc.

I am no nuclear bomb expert but it's not gonna take a few hours and then puff there's nothing left. It takes quite a few strikes to decimate an entire country especially if they have means to counter long distance nuclear heads like both Russia and USA have.

Also I tend to think nuclear usage will be delayed as much as possible by any side as it means that once one of those bombs is released the other side is gonna answer in the same way.

I believe that the third world war "unified" enemy will be Islam, according to all the propaganda we've seen the past decades and how occident tries so hard to put unstable extremists at the head of middle east countries (look at lybia, egypt, irak and how they tried to get rid of Al Assad) much like Hitler was the unified enemy in WW2.

This way it makes more sens. But I wouldn't call this world war as alot of countries wouldn't be invovled in this. Regarding nuclear weapons, both RU and US have their submarines near each other coasts. One barrage of one nuclear submarine is enough to bypass missile shield and annihilate most of the population of one continent. Also there are ocean spanning missles and strategic bombers with nuclear missiles for both sides. Currently there is no technology to counter this, because otherwise we would have had WW3 already.

I don't think it needs to involve more countries for it to be a "World War." World War's didn't involve many (in grand scheme of things) countries. However, if there were to be one, I think it'd include all of us, mainly due to the destructive technology we now have. One nuclear device going off is dire for everyone, regardless of where it lands.

Fucking radioactive lizard fascist jews!

Anything better to do with your life than troll on internet?

clearly better than whatever you're trying to convey

ProT spelled backwards is TorP.

Coincidence?
I think it's an inside job.

Fucking radioactive lizard fascist trolls!

Tomorrow... I think I'll hang out with myself again,
Maybe even sport someone else's skin.
So if you hear some other cat kicking my rhymes,
Just remember his intestines might just be mine.
Cause any one of these 6 billion civilians could very well be this reptilian.
No matter how resilient or brilliant you think you are,
If i decide that i need a new host,
Somebody's pretty little shell's gonna get a new ghost.

(c) Prince William

Jew Alpha-Centaurian Lizard Satanist Kabal Conspriacy Proof INFA 245%

lmao

I'd like to add Israel in the asymmetric genocides.

That's why they should learn economy from Mises instead of Keynes :P

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw613M8...wbOCDO472B

Lol so much propaganda and bs on their twitter. How are they any better than the Russians?

Are they in their own country?

I'm talking about their irrational hatred of all Russian people. Read their tweets, its ridiculous.

You probably meant this one: "Meanwhile, an Australian crocodile has bitten a Russian tourist". I agree, this was really inappropriate. No one can blame Russian citizens for what their government do. However everyone shall try to promote peace and condemn aggression. War is the worst solution always and the right is on the defending side.

Most of the tweets are just bare information. However it is always better to follow many sources of information. This site was just the most visually describing current situation.

Yeah I agree with that. Its just hard to find unbiased info. War is always ugly. I was born and raised in Croatia and lived thru 90s wars so I know all about lies, propaganda and bs :(

Yea. I was on this summer's vacation in Croatia, Montenegro and Bosnia. I still saw echoes of this war, especially in Bosnia and Herzegovina (Sarajevo/Mostar). Even though it ended 20 years ago. When you read history and visit such places it makes huge impact on how you see the war. Most of the people here on ESR has no clue what it really is. I'm not saying that I have, but at least I try to understand.

it has already begun from a long time dude

http://znak.com/moscow/articles/25-08-19-49/102823 (in Russian language)

Nice article, seems to be honest one. Although author seems a bit out of this world, I mean he was going to visit place where the war is going on what did he expect to see there? All the "human rights" being carefully preserved?

They should make a Merkel-Putin pact. Germany gets Poland(=East-Prussia) and the Baltic states, Austria gets western Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia and Chech, and Russia eastern Ukraine.

Even Austria is not dumb enough to get involved with those idiots in west Ukraine....

Germany already has Poland under the sign of Europe Union. Hitler tried so hard but it was that simple :)

But we are stealing cars from them. Who's the real winner?!

I think Germany still is since after stealing those useless trash-cans you will have to go back and either buy the overpriced repair parts or steal them once they break after 1 week of moderate use.

LOL ALL NOOB BRAINWASHED MEDIA JOKE OBAMA IS ILLUMINATI SEKRET ALLY PUTIN START WAR RULE WORDL 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB 2PAC IS ALIVE $$$$$

wtf is 9/11? i thought perfect setting is 6/11...

WW3 RUN FOR YOUR LIVES 911 times 5342627, THE JOOS, FEDERAL RESERVE HOAX #ILLUMINATI #NWO

tupac alive in russia tupac make album of russia, tupac fast rap russia.
we are rich now hahaha we have gold now because of steal from gypsy romania in ww2.
president bardack obama fukc the great satan and lay egg
this egg hatch and new ukraina was born
stupif baby form this egg gibe back our clay or we crush you like the skull of pig
RUSSIA GREATST COUNTREY
russian horses hahaha faster than ukraina horses we steal all your horses
YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE TO GIVE BACK THE CLAY!

Brace Yourself
Prepare your europeens asses for rape

Donald Tusk from Poland is comming to Council of Europe

to fuck all europeons ;> like he did with polish people.

Did he learn how to pronounce "r" already?

He can't pronounce because he always fail at this while lying :p

also he can't speak english ofcourse

Fuck politics. Stuff that is going to happen is not really in our hands so let's focus on stuff that is important and in our hands.

ITEM TIMERS LOADOUTS NOOBMODE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES QL 2.0

I just plus it because Iron Maiden

I wonder where is demiurge. Must be busy astroturfing on reddit.

after ukraine comes the rest of the eastern europe. just pushing russian troops in random countries for no reason...and in the end, everyone will be forced to play on laggy russian servers. THE HORROR!!!

but first we will be forced to play CS style game with 1 life per round :P

http://tvrain.ru/articles/ekskljuziv_dozhdja_...mi-374751/ (russian)
http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&am...-374751%2F (english translation)

Truth or propaganda?

This is Dojd channel, well known for anti russian propaganda inside ru.

Everything Russia touches turns to shit - both inside and out.

Russian government is certainly incapable of establishing influence through more subtle channels, while also basically blackmailing the whole of Europe with gas resources.

what irks me the most is the nerve and pretense to view Eastern Europe as their fiefdom when almost everyone despises their government and jumped into the arms of NATO/US at the first given chance.

being lapdogs of the US was that much more enticing than cooperating closely with our former "liberators".

If their was a poll would the majority of ukranians want to be part of russia or not?

The whole eastern section doesn't even have access to water. The poll would be totally slanted.

civilian war of pro-european west and pro-russian east UKRAINE citizens. Not russia-versus-ukraine, not nato-vs-russia. Its ukraine versus urkaine. No putin there guys, hes not bombing lugansk&donetsk u dumbassols. Ask urself who's got profits of this war? Putin? or Lockheed, Royal Dutch Shell, Northrop Grumman, International Monetary Fund and shitload of profiteers. dont be fox-news zombies! watch RUSSIA TODAY

oh look, a wild Moldovan of Russian ethnicity.. brainwashed conspiratard too

i've met your kind before, getting Romanian citizenship to study/work here.. while breathing pro-Russian propaganda

so u prefer pro-NATO propaganda?

no, but claiming the lack of Russian involvement in Ukraine's conflict is incredibly stupid.

prooflink of GREAT RUSSIAN BEAR-ARMY INVASION or stfu? The thing is that USA-economy under great pressure, giant debt+growing china. So they find a solution - european market. ATM russia-euro market about 400 000 000 000$. CALLVOTE Remove RUSSIA from EU-market. f1. But how? Well, u need to show European goverments that russia is ANGRY BEAR WITH BALALIKA--->pentagon gief money to maidan nazis and poroshenko group and with media-propaganda-whores like reuters show PUTIN as saddam or KimCHen or Osama. DONE. THe great fall of usa economy is moved to another 5 years. But there are some things that wasnt planned: Sneaky putin, crimea, lugansk and donetsk ppl republics, unmotivated UA-army, back-sanctions of russia, RussiaToday. Russia is not as weak as in 90's. Thats why USA fails again and again in syria, libia, egypt, afghanistan and now ukraine. FAILOBAMA FAILS AHAHAHHAH

After reading some story from first hand of a guy from Poland who went to Donieck a few weeks ago I'm closer to your version. I changed my mind in a few aspects about this conflict. However it is not true that Putin is not there. It is mostly his fault that these people from east of Ukraine were scared to death that they are going to be attacked by westerns.

Putin promoted propaganda and send people to start this conflict and then they disappeared leaving poor people fighting with regular army. It is obvious that they get armed from Putin, but I'm sorry for them being in this situation. People are fighting with each other for no fucking reason. I hope that Russian army troops are there to stop what they began and clean situation. Maybe if there is balance between the forces there will be a chance to stop violence and look for solutions, but it is just my hope and real hidden intentions of both sides may be far from that.

We will see...

I share your sentiments. I really hope that all of this will be ended soon.

The best situation, both from a Global and a Local perspective would be: Ukraine will keep both areas, however will give the official autonimity (the right to self-govern and maintain both Ukrainian and Russian as official languages), but I guess the Ukrainian parliamentary elections in late September would be a good indication of what will happen.

Also, I'm worried about all those RIghtSector dudes, they are armed and unpredictable, and their dream is an ISIS-type scenario (on a Nationalist rather than Religious basis).

Also, I'm worried about all those RIghtSector dudes, they are armed and unpredictable, and their dream is an ISIS-type scenario (on a Nationalist rather than Religious basis).

theire already doing it.. establishing international recruitment web and similar, thinking about forming foreign legion etc. They dont even have problems signing their names under those recruitment posts, like mr.Gaston Besson, politicians in parliment dont react and are pretty much part of nazi partys themselves like Svoboda and similar.There are no consequences for them.

pravyi+sektor+facebook

https://www.google.si/search?q=pravy+sektor&a...r+facebook

Mid-august they also threatened to withdraw their forces from Eastern Ukraine and surround Kiev, unless the Ukrainian government fired the deputy Interior Minister.

However, there are differences between strong-arming the government and all-out saying "death to all Infidels/Muscovites/Naysayers" and openly marching on the capital, like the IS(IS/IL) are doing, which is what I am more concerned about.

theire upset cause some ultras got arrested like that fatfuck stotnik(captain) Mykola.What bothers me more than this are their sites stretching from scnadinavia,poland,croatia, even down to serbia.If you even try swiftly skimming through that shit, you will notice how closely it resembles to NSDAP and hitlerjugend approaches..


at first I shared similar oppinion with you, I though Ukraine should stay united, but now, after some time, I dont think like that anymore.Its better for them to split apart and live the way each group wants to, they dont seem to be able to find a common language anymore and just live together.Bosnia is a fine example how disfunctional such state can become, if enforced from international level, clearly theire living prosperate lifes today.

From post below, according to UNHCR(cant say its propaganda bs), theres already over 1million of refugees from Ukraine.260k in just last three weeks were inner dispersed and over 814k of these have crossed russian border.That alone for me indicates clear enough whos being targeted here.I wonder wheres that nobelprize nigga now with his "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" phrases that he used so highbrowly with yazidi couple of weeks ago!?!?!?!?

theire upset cause some ultras got arrested like that fatfuck stotnik(captain) Mykola

Reportedly it was a retalliation for the Internal Ministry's decision to "shoot in brain while chasing him in order to detain him" Muzychko, one of the orchestrators of the "trigger-happy" side of Maidan. My educated guess is that the politicians who profited most out of Maidan were just clearing house, and the dude was too vocal about shit he should have been quiet about, and the Right Sector dudes wanted to send a message to Kiev about their notion of self-importance.


It's not surprising at all, considering those regions all have had persistant surges in right-wing activity on the basis of ethnic or national identity. Scandinavia's can be briefly summarised with this image, Croatia with the Ustashi, Poland having its share of anti-Jewish sentiments, Serbia also has had its share of right-wingers for several lifetimes. Assholes have existed for millenia and will continue to exist after we're both gone, but it's quite scary that Murdochite and Hearstonian media refuses to pick up on any of that.

Its better for them to split apart and live the way each group wants to, they dont seem to be able to find a common language anymore and just live together

I was thinking more from a "damage control" point of view, rather than from a sentimental one (although I do have grandparents living near Luhansk and have spent plenty a summer there): it would appease the most out of all the involved parties, allowing them all to save face in the process. Except for the Yasteniuk parliament, but there's an election coming in mid-September, and the Right Sector would have less incentive to strike their own region under a "WE PROTECTINK OUR TERRITORY" banners. Bosnia situation differs, because on top of ethnic divisions, there were also very strong religious ones, which are missing from the Ukrainian clusterfuck. At least the Patriarch of the Kievan Orthodox Church (they got a new one in august after the previous passed away) can't call upon the Mujahedeen to protect "Mother Ukraina" from the "infidels".

And the "nationalist problem" in Ukraine only became a major very recently and it's easy to see a similar pattern with Lybian, Syrian, Iranian and Chilean "dissent". (also, Bosnians have more in common, genetically, with Bears and Oak trees than people, fact! (infa 120%)

They also seem decided to do your job that you cannot do by being too busy to be multicultural politically correct weak traitorous fags: cleaning the West of the Muslims, they said, so it is a lose/win situation.

lol`d

Xd plz

Why? I say let Ukraine's individual states make their referendums about the issue and join Russia, if they so much want to. What's left of Ukraine would then join European Union.

Because becoming an autonomous, self-governed region would appease the most out of the interested parties: Ukraine technically keeps the "terrorist" regions, the DPR/LPR keep self-governing and keep Russian as an official language, Russia will stop getting the "Y U START WAR???" questions from concerned neighbours and the Obama administration (lolol)

Also, both Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts already had their referendums in March already, but weren't recognised by Kiev. Which is why the army was called in to put a stop to the movement. And the dudes in the Kremlin didn't want to accept the results of the referendum either because the two regions who voted for independence didn't have a Russian Navy Base in them, thus negating any Crimea-like action (worolol). At least they sent humanitarian aid though)

agree

Yes, Putin visited Donetsk to encourage resistance, same like Victoria Null Land visited Kiev. Snap!

do not be brain washed zombies, watch Russia Today!
thats something new :D

But make sure you listen to BBC and CNN, because they're UK and USA... and they never tell lies!

:D

Omitting FOX? Must be a brainwashed commy. ;)

Sshhhhh!!!!!! HEIL PUTIN... err SHIT!

I believe you wanted to say "err DERMO!" instead. But I'll let it slide. This time!

This conflict is a lot more than just about Ukraine's territorial integrity, although it could be summarised as a "Washington vs Kremlin" tug-of-war.

It's merely a 20-year overture that just got to "allegro" circa 8 months ago. It's just a result of a collection of unfortunate circumstances, driven forth by various profiteering factions, whereupon each one didnt realise they were being played like a fiddle.

My take on the whole thing is as follows:

4 days before the Maidan movement started, a prosecutor from the Ukrainian attorney general's office travelled to Switzerland in order to enquire about certain bank accounts, tied in to Timoshenko's 1990s "hobo princing" spree of 100s of millions of DORRARs. The source on this isn't some anti-Timoshenko blog and not RussiaToday's daily dose of propaganda: it's an article on Swissinfo.

Side-note 1: In Ukrainian political circles, Yulia Timoshenko is somewhat an equivalent to ESR's XTINA_AGUILERA, albeit one to be taken more seriously.

Meanwhile, in the Ukraine: ex-President Yanukovich was being pressured to comment about Ukraine's EU-intergration policies, and after round one of negotiations, and being told "Oke... sure we'd love to have you guys in the EU... we'll put you in the "Hovel" tier, your membership will be finalised along with Bosnia's, Somalia's and Tajikistan's" to which he rightfully replied "Cyka b/\Rgb naxyN is this shit???"

In an off-the record phonecall to Lithuanian president Dalia Grybauskaite, he stated "Yea, sorry, can't be part of the EU cos Kremlin is pressuring me to not sign".

Months earlier, in an off-the record phonecall to Belarussian president Alexandr Lukashenko, he stated "Yea, sorry, can't be part of the Eureasian Economic Union with you guys, Russia and Kazakhstan: EU is pressuring me and says can't be part of both if I want to apply to the EU. Yea, they seemed super serious, even quoted Tupac to me. Haha, yea "you either ride with us, or collide with us", exactly. Sorry men( "

Yulia (sic:Timoshenko), having read Machiavelli's "The Prince" (although only half-heartedly because it wasn't called "The Princess") while already in jail for other cases of embezzlement, decided to call a few friends for a get-together around Kiev's Square ("Maidan Square" is a linguistic tautology by the way).
"This is a fine way to protest the lack of economic opportunities for us, The Proletariat and what being a member of neither the EEC or EAEC would mean for us: we would gather round peacefully and our sheer numbers would prevail and cause our govenment to take positive action" said the hard working people of the Ukraine.

"This is a fine way for us to mess shit up: CHAOS IS PREVAILING, ANARCHY IS AMOK, so we'll steal, rape and kick fuck out of the Moscali, right here in Kiev. STRIP THE FLESH, SALT THE WOUND AHA AHAHAHAHA" said several extremist right-wing sectors of the Ukraine.

"This is a fine way to orchestrate a coup d'etat through media control and a few carefully orchestrated fuelling of fires. We even have a motive: Yanukovich embezzled like 7x the amount of money Yulia has. She's only sitting on like, what, $700m? MEANWHILE THAT SHIFTY SON OF A BITCH ON THE OTHER HAND EMBEZZLE BILLIONS" said Yulia's CIA handlers.

"They are going to nationalise that Crimean navy base we're planning to keep one of the Mistrals on, (despite the fact we paid our lease until 2020) aren't they? Y'all negroes better do summink. I don't care if it's legit or if there are "consequences". FUCK THE CONSEQUENCES YO. Is Uncle Vlad going to have to choke a bitch?" said Vladimir Putin.

Side-note 2: In the post-Soviet bloc, prior to this incident, the common consensus was "It's okay for the head of state to steal shitloads from his own people, but not for the head of government))". Something about what Lenin wrote I guess.

And thus concludes Part One of "The Great Clusterfuck", called "How To and How Not To Embezzle". Stay tuned for parts two "The Art of War or How to Successfully Retreat from Peaceful Protestors While They Pelt You with Molotovs", part 3 "Referendums Only Count When The Scottish People Have Confirmed They Will Vote "NO", part 4 "Aircrafts: how the FUCK do they work?" and part 5 "Misinformation or Washington Will Only Give Us $$$ If We Say That Those Miners and Taxi Drivers who Chased Us out of The East are Super Elite Commie Soldiers"

"Moins on en a, plus on en étale".

Idiomatic translation: people who always shows their sciences are those who know the less. "étale" means spread or to show
Literal meaning: Culture is like jam, the less we have the more we spread it.

Is it defragmentation?

poles defragmenting society =[

that's because all begians can do is talk =/ nobody's gonna ask them for military support or want to invade them

Canadian dude actually understands the concept of objectivity though. It's more like:

canadian dude is paranoid as fuck

if he lived in britain he'd say the sunscreen companies are making this summer hotter than normal to please their shareholders

Um, you're telling me sunscreen companies aren't making the summer hotter? Holy shit, you're dumb. They want those SPF 100 sales.

"Canadian dude" -- which is me, by the way, and I'm awesome -- simply thinks rationally and logically. Unfortunately, the majority of people either do not get both sides to the story, or are so blinded by bias, racism, or xenophobia, that they refuse to see what could possibly be the truth.

To dismiss something is the first mistake to any critical thinker. Science doesn't work like that, why would "political science" be any different? People really need to think more about what is at play, who benefits and, the biggest question, why?

refuse to see what could possibly be the truth

You sound like someone who knows the truth, m8!

"possibly"

I enjoy covering my bases, m8!

This is why you are consistently 95%+ (hue, plus puns...)

http://de.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idDEKBN0GX16F20140902

814k crossed russian border, this pretty much sums it up!

a reason against democracy is the average opinion of an ESRtist

Unhappy are always the most audible group.
Doubt and criticism (even extreme one) is necessary so as to have real freedom of speech and reliable journalism.

If putin would read this thread, he would divert the entire russian army to take down esr and then proceed to shoot himself.

i think the long term goal for Russia in Eastern Ukraine is not to carve parts of it and add them to Russia, but to keep a frozen state of conflict like with the Transnistria region in Moldova.

this way Ukraine won't get into NATO since you can't be admitted while having ongoing conflicts, especially with Russia.

Crimea is a done deal though. might as well change the maps.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29058514

literally read/watched this just after reading your comment

BBC = facts.

Kappa

yes, an interview with the chief of NATO = non-fact

Anything Obama says is fact. I mean he's the PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

Kappa

OBABO, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITI&#1048;U. (the reverse N won't register cos it's Cyrillic and ESR doesn't support Cyrillic cos YELTSIN IS A CIA SHILL PRETENDINK TO BE .RU WHILE NOT EVEN SUPPORT ALPHABET OF MOTHERLAND ON ESR! ABUSE OF POWER)) )

reading your posts in this thread
lmfao

brainwashed moron

says the guy whose prime minister gobbles Putin's cock at every corner.
leave it to Hungarians to always choose the losing side..

Haha! I don't care about politics, foreign or domestic, apart from being informed of what's going on in the world. Our PM buys real estate for his friends and family, and builds the most modern football stadium for his home village with a population of 1000, with taxpayers' money of course. He's corrupt just like most ppl and most politicians.
When you listen to someone like Putin or foreign minister Lavrov talk, you can see they're better in some ways than others, and more truthful. Compare it with John Kerry or Obama. Haha! What a joke of empty lies and hypocrisy.
But like I said, it's all politics, a useless freak show. We have technical problems, and they can't be solved by politics.

Very cute though that you had to resort to insult me on basis of nationality. :D <3
Losing side? lol! There have been only losers so far, you know. We are all fucking losers.
Maybe when we learn to live in peace and accept each other, that'd be a different story...

Until that time comes, you keep watching your Fox News, CNN and other useless media to keep yourself entertained, so others can keep working on real solutions to our problems, without your disturbance.

fair enough. all we debate here is the lesser of two evils.
bottom line: both sides are led by greed and at the end of the day we're just pawns arguing with tablescraps of information.

chief of NATO = non-fact exactly, because Putin = fact. And do not forget to watch RT for more unbiased factual data.

Too busy watching FOX news for my real facts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28969784

Is Ukraine getting help from the West?

The US says it is supplying Ukraine with non-lethal military equipment, including radios, vehicles and "non-lethal individual tactical gear".

2mins in, Bill Hicks delivers. Different conflict, same shit.

do you even know the premise of the first Gulf War? or why the US armed Iraq in the first place?

you don't sell weapons then sink all the profits in starting a war with your buyers, especially when you can sell weapons just fine in peace time too.

Bill Hicks was an awesome comedian, but he's just that.. a comedian.

lol but that is exactly what happend. wtf aquashark?

and even more, check were that shit is now.

gg stupid murica fueling the shit, so they can fight it, so they can say to their own ppl ... pay for you schooling pay for your health care, but that is none of my bussines.

Do you even know the premise of the first Gulf War?

Saddam was given the green light over taking the Rumaila oilfield, but the asshole accidentally a whole Kuwait (which wasn't agreed upon). It was a way to strong-arm Saddam after non-payment of debt from arms sold in the Iran-Iraq war.

Or why the US armed Iraq in the first place?

Yea. Because they were in a war with Iran. Those assholes didn't re-privatise the Persian petroleum industry (like they were supposed to) after the CIA-backed coup against that other asshole, the Shah of Iran, who nationalised it in the first place.

you don't sell weapons then sink all the profits in starting a war with your buyers, especially when you can sell weapons just fine in peace time too.

Yea but the debt? And the Iran-Iraq war being over??

Bill Hicks was an awesome comedian, but he's just that.. a comedian.

No offense, but I'd rather take Bill Hicks' dated 20 year old analogies over your up-to-date views.

Bill Hicks and George Carlin were geniuses. Saying they were "just comedians" is like saying Jon Stewart is "just a comedian", meanwhile his satirical show is probably the most accurate portrayal of news out of the USA. That is sad and hilarious at the same time.

These kinds of threads on ESR always turn into "MY FACT-PENIS IS BIGGER THAN YOURS," and nothing ever comes from them so far as people learning anything of value. It's like watching democrats and republicans argue about the usual topics. No one's mind ever changes and everyone gets all huffy with each other.

>nothing ever comes from them
wrong, we get lulz

I mean, nothing actually useful. =(

People put so much thought and effort into what they're saying(even when it's bat-shit crazy) that it's a shame that something more useful couldn't result from their time and efforts.

But, I suppose that's to be expected when arguing such things on a QUAKE website. lol xD

edit: I recognize the irony that, despite knowing this, I read it anyway. I suppose you could say, for the lulz... haha. But! At least I typically only do so while eating.

IS[IS|IL] wants to join the party: http://news.yahoo.com/militants-vow-throne-pu...40129.html

IS[IS|IL] + OBAMAMAN = BFF <3

Russia is gay: (en subs)



(rus subs)

In New Year holidays dirty katsaps had threated to the whole World with the nuclear war. (Another one time.)



"Merry Cristmas, good to people, death to enemy ..bla-bla ...for our victory. If we loose - we will blow the World!"

Everybody must know why most ukrainians hate this communist scum.

host: 8/10 - would bang.
music: 10/10 - definitely will listen again.
editing: 2/10 - they need to up their game.
your stupidity: over 9000 - out of what shit-hole did you crawl?

Also nice grave-digging skills you've got there.

9.5/10. That rifle is a turn on. I dig chicks with guns.

Nah, what use do they have once you are past the turn on stage? You can't shove that thing up her ass (at least with most girls that is) can you?

Just because you cannot shove an item up your ass doesn't make it redundant.

I mean it definitely makes it less desirable for the swedes but not redundant.

You are hiding russian flag in your bedroom somewhere in Europe, like Serbia? You should hide better.
War is not over, as You see, it's only beginning.

Ok now you make no sense at all? Why should I hide a Russian flag?



I just can shove 70 right in your face using this wonderful site.

Ye, post more hitler's collaborant's flags. Someone has quoted hitler's propagandists ideas to jews. Right, that's was Putin, yes.

Hitler propagated ideas to jews?! And Putin does too? Wow, I must have missed something during history class, all I know is, that Hitler just threw them in concentration camps and that some of Putins most influential and best friends are Jews...

Look, Putin is a supernatural being. He can do two exclusive things at once. It's not schizophrenia, not at all. All HAIL SATAN.

payed propaganda even here... sad, sad days...

I watched it without translation before so it was quite funny to me, with translation now it is the worst ...

I want to clear some things for yourself since so much propaganda from everywhere.
What's going on on this video and what, for example, poles think about it.
I know that this is without any doubt Kremlevskaya propaganda,
dressed KGB agents and etc., but interesting to see another point of view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yRNiznttQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05airwdElqs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Po...rn_Galicia

A few days ago official russian communist's site published terroristic instructions for their agents in Ukraine: (russian, use google translate)
http://moskprf.ru/index.php/pilotnyjproekt/110-na-iii-j-mirovoj/14626-k-voprosu-o-podpole
Someone still compromise with cremlin's satanic sect which russia is?

ALL HAIL SATAN
ALL HAIL SATAN

- You should bury a Lenin's mummy first, you pseudochristians!

Maybe you should first figure out if im a Satanist or a Christian?

That's why i said "pseudo", cause creators of your's flag ex-country where killed hundreds of thousands of priests, blowing up most of the christian churches, and forbid the bible for more than 60 years. Atheizm lessons in schools... In last years of communist degradation communists allowed the bible storing for people, allowed public pray in churches, but only for that fact that cremlin ideologists understood that they cannot destroy the faith of human. And they create a fake church, which ruled by KGB, propagandized the russian ruler cult, and chauvinism to other confessions and religions. That's why young people in Russia prefare atheizm, other religions, or satanism as contrast form of faith. They simply see a fake.

my dear christian, praise be the lord, do you think Putin is Satan or just a Demon?

Stalin had the right idea when it came to religion, damn.

Polish people are fooled by Western propaganda about that Ukraine is fighting for freedom, and that they are our brothers. etc.

From my point of view I can't support anybody who is carring Bandera flag and got such 'heroes'.

For me the best thing to do for Poland is to be neutral. There is nothing to win for us, we can only lose. Also sorry Ukraine but its not really in our business to got you in EU and its nothing personal.

Our gov. is fucked up. They fucked up evacuation of Poles from Ukraine. Seems that they don't care. omg.

Also I see all the time more often thing like "polish concentration camps" in media wtf. And watched some movies, even polish movies... where bad polish people were killing Jews. wtf. is that thing. Polish poeple mostly helped Jews in WWII. There was no polish unit and Nazi / SS unit like in other countries. Also Poland recently sponsored the BIGGEST museum in Poland.... for Jews. Germony should pay for it, not Poland.

Germany and (sorry) Russia is talking all the time "It was Nazis/Soviets, not us"

It's nothing personal, history is history. And want to be open to everyone from other countries if they feel the same.

All i want is to have a free country. A free country, without influence from the west or east. And free of traitors in our gov.

PS. recently news: terrorists in France, and the same people "freedom fighters in Syria"...

All i want is to have a free country. A free country, without influence from the west or east. And free of traitors in our gov.

I wish I was that naive too

still worth to be as close as possible to that 'utopia'

People who disagree with the official policy of Kiev should not go underground, because they have nothing to fear. In Ukraine it is impossible to burn people just for another point of view, not to conduct an investigation and to cover the guilty. And this is just another hypocritical dramatization of the KGB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlzP9Hr80jw
NSFW: http://revolution-news.com/neo-nazi-massacre-...s-of-fire/

And in these videos KGB agents trying to discredit civilized Ukrainians. It must be at least colonel in role of citizen of Kharkov.
If i'm not mistaken man from last video died in hospital (of course in imaginary world, don't forget about kremlevskaya propaganda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W9Ix3GtSq0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVL9c5U8nus#t=206

Propaganda isn't exclusive russian instrument, but ukrainian propaganda is something special. LOL.

Eastern Europe, this is low cost instrument. When Ukraine falls who got the prize? Maybe Vladimir Putin? Where's EU money? Where's EU association? That's about visa regime? But Ukraine is already bankrupt, where's nothing but hate. Bravo.

War... stupid kid, war is baddest thing to do and nobody wants to war for Ukraine. If you gonna die go to Donbas. War against Russia is war for few days, 2 or 3. LOL.

So did the west actually put dead bodies on that commercial Air Malaysia plane that the separatist terrorists shot down, or are you actually that retarded in Russia?
Lets not talk about propaganda when dealing with Russians. Even RT has gone bat shit crazy. its a disgrace to journalism.

Separatists? Ahahahah. Where's results of ivestigation of catastrophe, ukrainian wariror? WHERE RESULTS?

Because it was...

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Sanctions was accepted without any proof. WTF?!

Damn, another victim of Putin's propaganda, now already the President of the Czech Republic.
https://www.facebook.com/prezidentcr/posts/789214857827608
I hope Ukraine will join in EU as soon as possible and teach everybody (especially poles) TRUE history. For example like this http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150109/1016706636.html

President of Czech Republic seems to be more polish than our real president...

Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia together invaded Poland and started the WWII.

And Ukraine and nazis were quite good friends, and after that fkin cowards did Massacres in Volhynia, killing women and childrens.

Also France was so pussy... because Poland wanted to attack Germany together with France before WWII to prevent what happened...

I think Hitler just tried to regain territory given to poland by the allied forces ... u do not really believe poland would ever have stood a chance against germany in 19xx ... in the end you are just pissed poland was so defenceless and had to rely on others ... I think poland must have been a big empire around 17xx or something ... somehow I do not believe poland got this territory back then, because it had so many good relations with other countries ... anyway many poles relocated to germany and make a good living there, also a lot of polands economical success relates to the fact, they are right on the border of germany, all the best to poland from germany ... because if poland gets strong, germany gets stronger too ... many countries dont understand that the downfall of their neighboring country has bad effects on themselves ...
anyway good luck with your polish friends, pretty sure everyone in poland is a proud pole and is so glad and feels good if you are right in their presence ...

I need to say that we can talk and talk and we will never end. It's not a story to tell it in single post etc. And nothing is simple.

I didn't said that Poland could attack alone, but with help... yes. (btw. in 1920 succesfully defended territory from Bolsheviks and with some more help from russian white movement it could be the end of soviets too) Ofcourse Poland was quite weak. Only 20 years of independance. btw. giving territories by allied forces was so bad. Poland without true polish Vilnius and Lviv... but got Stettin. Nice logic. Ofcourse now it's quite hmm... ok? But 70 years ago? tragedy.

Also it wasn't just Poland fault that it was week. I think you need to aggree Poland wasn't very safe and peaceful place on earth. Between two very strong countries, mostly attacked from few sides etc. Also imo politics wasn't really big strenght of Poland. I think honour was alays valued here, but it's not quite good for politics ;) Also Yalta Conference happened. USA and allied forces sold Poland to soviets. And half of Germany too, and still west part of Germany is better than the East part. So, allied forces won the war. Poland lost it. We got about 40 years of communism. And russians never wanted to develop anything on these lands (at least Germany was building things and stuff in current Poland) .

btw. do you know that some Poles were fighting until 1963?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers
"Polish People's Republic" 44-89' killed many polish heroes.

In my opinion Poland without WWII and loosing 6 mln of people (probably biggest % of population involved countries, the worst thing - killings of intelligence), communism, post-communism etc. Without all that things it could be on similiar level as Germany (which was sponsored by USA etc, (because everybody was afraid of soviets, and yes it wansnt just "hard work of german people", also USA sponsored Hitler before war... and they seems to do such things now too...). The period before WWII was great thing. And I think these people in the past was very different than now.

Unfortunately, I think most people here don't think that it's "proud to be polish". And it's a shame... that they think about it in this way. Because Poles didn't have influence on many things. We were fucked from many sides. And most people think that this is just our fault. And I need to say that most bad things happened because of Germany or Russia (also now) and I think Poland can't say "thank you my love, Germony"... it's ok when it's fair. But it wasn't.

btw. Germany gets stronger imo mostly because of trading with Russia. And this is the part that Poland should do that :) and in in 1920-1939 there were some poeple that wanted to do that. Because Russia is great market for export.

These polish people relocated to Germany, you mean now or in the past?
Polish economical sucess? You mean, now? lol, its pure bullshit. Germany leads EU and money spent in Poland mostly are going to Germany pockets (from Greece too). A country where most people earn 500 EUR a month and got quite similiar prices like in other parts of EU? Great success... when most young people are living etc.

Imo we joined EU too early. We should first get stronger on our own. Instead of this we joined fast and sold almost everything to the west for low price and loosing industry.

Hitler tried to just regain territory? And thats why he even tried to regain England? ;) You know that in Germany before war were so many poor people, hunger was the big problem, no jobs etc? Thats why people aggreed with Hitler and went with him for war, to conquer.

Also is nothing personal, our governments make decisions. It doesn't mean that people aggree with everything. And it works in every country the same. I met only good german people since now and they didn't do anything bad to me. :)

sorry for a bit chaotic post.

btw. I think Norman Davies books about polish history are quite good, in english, but also translated for many languages.

here is Poland with biggest territory ever http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93L...extent.svg
The west parts of current Poland are not very polish...

but in 1918-1939 it was like this:
http://www.royaltombs.dk/polska/zz_polska_hist1.gif
so, what lands wanted to regain Hitler? Greater Poland? lol

The only our true friend was Hungary.
Also respect for Turkey, they never accepted Partitions of Poland.

Propaganda? Russians say? Haha
http://www.stopfake.org/en/tag/russian-propaganda/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/09/us-...US20150109
Today we have threat of nuclear war cause of Putin's ambitions to rejoin USSR. International laws, people life, own economic stability, nation's relationships and peace, etc - he destroyed it. Now everybody see how stupid and aggressive these people are.

This vid was recorded near Moskow, and placed on site of russian nacist ideologist Alexander Dugin, which ideas inspired russian president. That girl is a member of 'NOD" - one of the nacists organization financed from goverment. They declare racizm, religious cult, and "russian world" invasion ideas.
You should pray, putin's slaves, for dissappearing the proofs of russian tracks for terroristic acts in France now! You cannot terrorize the World with the nuclear end, you time is gone 25 years ago! You'll have to pay for it!

PS, putirussians: post more smiles, rage faces, pictures with boobs, gifs with cats to create the illusion of your rightness and innocense. That's funny.

I wonder how low the ruble will go. Who taught an ex-KGB agent was a good idea. Poor Russians. This is shit for everyone involved.

It's really funny to read something like that. Haha, Dugin is nobody, he isn't in kremlin or something. All true nazists in Kiev. Yacenuk absolutely insane - "Russia attacked Germany and Ukraine at WW2". Nazi marches with Bandera's pictures. Hate is product most popular in Ukraine.

Think smarter, you have no arguments than Putin wants WW3. It's so strange. Things usually more difficult to understand, but you already know everything. LOL. Putin doing that he wants, is Crimea isn't argument for you? WW3? Where's all nuclear bombs?

NATO at our corners is bad idea. Where's not stupid russians to believe in bullshit like "Putin is totally insane, he wants WW3". It's low quality bullshit.

GL & HF.

I must say french anon was funnier then all of you guize :c

this ain't no laughing matter, pal

I didn't stop french anon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mufKDf5uIg

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=pl&a...;sandbox=1

"Volhynia massacre" as a name for a meal, ok...

Nobody has done a damn thing.

15 jan 2015 dirty katsaps shelled blockpost near Volnovakha town - 12 civilian die in a bus on a road.

22 jan 2015 fuckin "ruski" bastards shelled bus stop in occupied Donetck - 14 civilian people die.

today they shelled ukrainian town Mariupol, near front line of war - 24 civilian die...

(strongly 18+)


Anyone want to know more why many ukrainians hate "russians" and name them as "katsaps"? Yes, its like a "jew" for hebrew, or "nigger" for black, but ruder.

UPD:, now its 30 killed people in Mariupol this day, including 2 child. Over a hundred injured.