It seems to be funded partially by Microsoft
https://liquipedia.net/ageofempires/Hidden_Cup/4

15k players https://steamcharts.com/app/813780

Meanwhile Quake (image) "Safe rarely works":

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Funny how Blizzard won’t make a new Starcraft or Warcraft and this old game comes out of nowhere having a 80k+ tournament with 50k+ viewers and probably even more concurrent players as the latest Starcraft 2.

true, but last event wasn't that bad
https://www.intelextrememasters.com/season-15/katowice/
SC2 - 250k $
WC3 - 100k $

Ah ok did not know. Even WC3 100k wow.

Yeah, WC3 Reforged is new life for WC3, but everyone use classic client anyway

We need Quake3 HD or something.

QuakeLive with Loadouts :P

I don’t know if it is possible to enhance the graphics of Q3. Or what it may look like in HD.

The aoe2 community is amazing. The game was on life support, well behind major esports, barely kept alive by random arbalet events and the like. They started developing mods, somehow convinced Microsoft to take over and now there's a series of AoE games and AoE2 expansions. Superb stuff.

And this is despite the game being, as cool as it is, not adapted for esports, with drawn out earlygames where very little happens and the like.

I see some similarities to Quake here. Old classic game. In a niche which requires skill. No professional support left. Owned by Microsoft. Still a loving and never retreating community.

Definitely. They were worse off, even, but managed to change the situation.

Thing is we cannot develop mods or evolve QL in other ways, at least not every possible way.

We could easily develop new or q3 mods. Many games were made though and they didn't particularly attract attention, and people don't tend to fully agree on why, so it's hard to see that as likely to work.

I guess what's truly different is we can't make new content, new expansions the way AoE folks as long as we're sticking to the perfect abstraction of no classes, same abilities for every player. We're probably too bitter and stuck in our ways to do that.

I still think Quake could much bigger than it is, but it's much more likely with a developer that has some clout. If Valve did a good Quake game, it'd be at least sc2 sized imo.

I met someone who wanted to make a QC mod for QL. I explained to him that it’s not possible, only possible for Q3. Then he was not interested in doing so anymore. My guess is that he does not want to base his mod on a game which is not played. That is the bad part about it. The Q3 standard is QL which is closed source.

Good point :X

We need to copy the AoE2 success.

I hope you've got loads of time and a drive for game development.

Do you know Q3plus? https://q3area.blogspot.com/

I didn't. Interesting!

It's based on the Excessive Mod which kind of tried to offer an alternative to QL. But all it could do was to create another sub community, not replacing QL. I guess Q3plus will only achieve the same. As is wrote in the other thread, QL will not be replaced through a mod, not even an exact QL mod, that is pretty sure.

I will try this later. However, the problem is.. what about cheaters?

In Steam at least as far as I know it's harder to cheat, however anyone can run some dll cheats on legacy Q3 and there isn't any anti cheat software going on. An anti cheat is so basic that im not sure if I should bother tbh.

We don't need classes at least in 1v1. The Champions concept is just annoying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LySfvuhzOqM

I haven't played this game in ages but it seems to be the same game. Im not sure what they have added compared to AoE2 The Conquerors days but it seems more or less the same.

The bulk of content is just new Civs, though there's balance changes, QoL changes and of course graphics.

Further proof that what is required is a standard and Quake 3 OSP is the standard as I have explained in my thread. Movement wise, aesthetics and so on, this is it. Then you would need improved netcode.

Basically make QL have OSP movement speed and improve graphics without ruining the engine (Q4, QC) so you can have both people with shitty PCs and modern PCs enjoying it.

Age of Empires II
September 30, 1999

Quake III
December 2, 1999

No excuses. AoE2 has proven what a gold standard is. The community is comming back strong. Just look at the amount of views it gets on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29RnAFChgw

Why do you think OSP is gold standard? Why not QuakeWorld which is more active than OSP, and at least is not bound to shitty 125 fps restriction.

Currently it looks like this, in terms of popularity:
QC - casual TDM + Duels
QL - mostly CA
QW - TDM and Duels

QW is too fast and has too few weapons. Quake 1 also looks "too brown".

Q3 had the best combo of sci-fi+medieval-ish looking aesthetics while being e-sport-ish. Somehow works.

OSP, I just mean the physics.

rotfl, have you played QW like... once?

And complaining that QW is brown when most Quake maps in any Q game are mostly brown.

Some people love "QW weapon balance" that makes TDM way more interesting and this is why they are playing it competitively till now.

All you say is just your preference.

Yeah. QW is brown and Q3 has many shades

ztn: brown
dm6: purple
t4: grey

weapons look different, recognizable, esport-ish

sounds aren't annoying

right balance between fast but not too fast

etc

it's just your opinion.

in current world nobody cares about Quake and people who play popular games do not know what Quake is.

I actually often get impressed how many people know what Quake is. Even people who don't even play games at all. This title has the biggest ratio of people who know what it is to people who actually play it :).

You should visit some Doom 2016 discord to see what they actually know about Quake. ;)

It's more about awareness about the franchise but most people do not know anything about Quake, they got perception of mindless fragging or some shooter with ugly graphics ;)

That's accurate enough :). Most importantly people usually know that Quake is huge part of how gaming started.

A lot of people my age and older who don't even play online games recognize quake because there was this guy in a dorm who started playing qw/q2/q3 all day and botched getting his degree. Not even kidding, heard this story so many times from ppl you'd expect to know nothing about gaming...

Joe Rogan gets millions of views and he often talks about Quake, that's a big number of people learning about it.
Btw I would love to see rapha on the JRE. He is a great talker and would be a nice publicity for Quake, even tho they would probably talk about QC more than Q3 unfortunately.

That's not an argument. Point is, Q3 has the most variety of colors while other Quakes all maps look the same.

I know your list is incomplete, would be interesting to have a full list what ppl play nowadays to have a better overview. Ofc it depends on a region.

In EU:
In ql tdm/ctf pickups are played, also ffa seems at least as popular as ca atm. duels not so much anymore.
In q3 I know that freeze tag is quite popular, also a little ctf/tdm/ffa/duel. I bet they still play instagib in 1.16. defrag too I guess?
In diabotical last time I checked it was mostly wipeout/aim arena (ca) and a bit of duels.

A few months I decided to try Quake 3's Linux client. Hadn't done so in almost 20 years. Still loads instantly, just like I remember. It was almost shocking that there are people who still play it. I had to ask them if they are people and spend some time observing them to confirm after they said "yes, we're human lol". It was a freeze tag server. Even found a few OSP duel servers.

adding to that
Q4 - mostly duels
CPMA - Duels + tdm, ctf, ntf pickups

+ https://www.reddit.com/r/ArenaFPS/comments/kz...s_pickups/

Are these pickups active? Daily?

for q4 and cpma, yes
via discords


q4c, http://www.playq4.net/ https://discord.gg/Hwq9WsXJjy
god realm https://quake4.net , https://discord.gg/DtNBcu7HMG
cpma https://discord.me/cpma