Yes.

I greatly dislike this trend as well.

I think there is a lot of sloppy asset management going on.

This is the new DRM.

well it is for me currently.

actually, i had wolfenstein new order on my steam wishlist but took it off.

I remember when installing game meant uninstalling another one.
Is it '90 once again? :o

Hahaha

Few years back I was so stingy about Bioshock being 8gb.. We have come far indeed.

I remember installing and uninstalling Carmageddon, took fucking ages.

hahah! das ist extravagant!

i have no idea what engine TES use, but blame carmac for megatextures.

THIS I came here to write this. IIRC - idtech 6, which Doom uses now, is without mega textures finally.

Are you sure? I don't think many details have been released about what exactly the engine being used for Doom (4) really does.

The original plan for id tech 6 was to go a step further than mega texture and to have virtual geometry to go with the virtual textures, allowing for extremely complex models in addition to the extremely detailed textures. Doesn't sound like it would be smaller... Not sure that this is what is in the "id tech 6" used by Doom though.

I remember readining article about somewhere recently. Can't find it atm.
EDIT
Ok - idtech6
http://www.dsogaming.com/news/here-are-the-fi...doom-game/

Nothing in that article says they have ditched mega texture.

The cynic in me says that IdTech 6 isn't really that big a step from tech5 given JC and half of the engine team left to go to oculus before they publicly started saying it was based on tech6 without any comments from anyone technical describing what is novel about tech6.

Clearly doom will be a level up from tech5 in terms of art content (probably meaning bigger), but JC always said that tech 5 could do a lot more than rage really showed. Obviously there would be some tech upgrades given all the rebooting, but I don't expect it to be that different that they will have ditched mega texture.

about megas it was somewhere else, can't find it now

I thought ETQW was the only game that actually used Megatextures?

Yeah... before RAGE. You're a few years late.

That's using "virtual textures, a more advanced technique", whatever that means.

As far as I know, megatextures and virtual texturing are the same thing. I took a look at the source of your source (http://mrl.cs.vsb.cz/people/gaura/agu/05-JP_i...lenges.pdf) and they don't explain the difference. At this point it's merely a vocabulary issue I guess.

wikipedia kinda hints that the difference is between terrain only and also including other objects. (ET:QW = terrain only Rage = everything you see).

I'm sure a big reason for this is piracy too, what better way to combat it than making the file sizes so huge it makes it much harder to get out there.

Good point; I still think it's sloppiness on their part though :P

Noticed this with the size of next gen titles on console also, usualy >40gb.

piracy also cuts balast away if it has to. :)

in the past we waited for ages to get the game from the internet, it will stop a bit, yes but i don't think this will solve the problem. i guarantee that lots of brazilians for example would download it and wouldn't give a s*** to that. Same as in some other parts of the world. And russians are kings on making pirate compilation of programs etc

Look at them req :
http://www.bethblog.com/2014/09/25/the-system...ts-within/

lol vram. I wonder what proportion of PC gamers will be able to run this game at all.

Oh, now you cant pirate games anymore?

Why? Just a matter of time.

All dooms and quakes were insanely large and demanding for their time as well.

Lets face it, these games are for high and top end PCs. It just happens that Q3 lasted for this long so your toaster can still do the job.

Here's a FPS shooter that has the looks of 2005 and is only 96kb of size!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NBG-sKFaB0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.kkrieger

Well there are a lot of limitations to that.

In general you don't want to make things that small, as you need to spend too much resources on extracting stuff and calculating where everything has to go.
(as all things in there follow a certain mathematical pattern, which is why all pillars are alligned for instance and you see the same tiles being loose the same way all the time)

Whole game loads in few seconds on my core 2 duo 1.86 GHz
Procedural generation can be seen as specialized compression (in contrast to general like defalte, lzm, jpeg for images etc.) It's very efficient and doesn't necessarily require huge resources.
In most cases reading compressed data from disk and uncompressing it is faster than just reading uncompressed data.

The whole point of kkrieger was to showcase their procedural generation methods and their ability to reduce size. Industry obviously has an interest in exactly the opposite.

You suggest that mathematical patterns need to be somehow regular and repetitive. Except for a possibility to use random number generator - download any Mandelbrot set generator and you have an infinite non-repetitive world compressed to few kBs. Calculate Pi digits and you have a simple mathematical procedure which gives you well defined yet non-repetitive results

I'm sorry but are you're actually trying to argue that math patterns are not regular and repetitive?
That the Mandelbrot set is not repetitive and that random number generators are random?

Sure. Mandelbrot set is not repetitive and if the fact that you can see some repetitions bothers you then think of decimal expansion of Pi.
Random number generators are random. They take randomness from input devices like mouse/keyboard, temperature sensors etc. If you need more entropy then you can buy a specialized device (more - not "of better quality").

I wonder....
Are you one of those guys who studied math for years because, as a kid, you were good with numbers?

No, you?

not because I was good with numbers no.

Whaaaat?! 96 kb for this game? My mind just exploded watching this!

This means you could even make a nice 3d game running on a floppy disk?!?!

Yes, and that was 10 years ago.

Procedural magic.

Sounds great but as Weird said: if everything is generated at the start of the game it means very long loading times, and people don't want that. Considering how cheap hard drives and storage capacity has become it's more or less a useless feature. (Except maybe to generate extremely large game worlds.)

Demo is still insanely impressive of course. :)

I know, i read the wikipedia page and effectively it's all built around making it weighting the least possible, i've read a comment saying that he can run starcraft 2 but on this game he has 10 fps due to the extreme calcualtion left to the cpu :-/

Still awesome, the developers says that with traditional tecniques the game would have weighted 200-300 mb, this gives the proportion of how lazy the standards have become to let identical games bulk up so much in so few years. Part of this is probably to fight piracy, as mentioned, but still.

The same thing can be applied to the absurd amount of processing power required to run the last games. Games are intentionally bad optimized to push the vga and cpus market. Disgusting.

That's more of a demo, than actually a game. (By demo, I don't mean a demonstration version of a game, but an actual demo.)

Anyway, Farbrausch are awesome. :)

Poor Americans with Comcasts data limits will have to download it for 3 months lol

I don't see how this would preventing piracy? Most of it is done by bittorrent now anyway, so the file size is shared between everyone.
And the days of physcial media seem to be coming to an end, vast majority of people getting DOOM for the PC will be downloading it using Steam or similar so they are downloading this big file regardless. If anything it wouldbe quicker to downlaod a pirate copy due to sometimes being smaller downloads with either better compression or rips.

What else are you gonna do with all those terabytes? ;)

Anyway, isn't this what people want? They want fancier graphics, bigger maps, etc etc. This is what you get.

i just started playing dishonored. i pledged to myself to never touch it after the hideous in-game ad in quakelive, but apparently i have no self-control

use the teleport and the jumping stuff. shit is cash

3TB drives are cheaps as fuck now, don't whine, just buy one.

That doesn't make the downloads go any faster.

How is it combating piracy? Either I have to download 40gb with full speed from steam or I have to download 40gb with full speed from some random file hoster.

yup it does shit to prevent piracy