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Will there be bets for group stages?

If so, I'd rather save my e$r monies and spend them on more matches

This is just a poll, not a fixture.

And yes, I'm planning to make bets for the most interesting group stage matches :)

Thank you ;)

I love being internet rich! (even though, I am always internet broke!).

best for group winners >:D

i won't be surprised if rapha places out of top4 this time.

I would.
Let's look at how the tournament is probably going to unfold for him:

Group stage:
Placing 1st/2nd in group stage is almost guaranteed, given his relatively easy group. Probability: 99%

Round of 16:
He will play against 3rd/4th place of some group, possibly group C. This would mean the likes of sting, detrony or gienon. That's no challenge for him. Probability: 99%

Quarter finals:
This is the first big, really important match for him. He's already warmed up perfectly. Even now, he will be the 70:30 favorite in most of the matches (e.g. when matched up against demon, fraze, cooller, phantom, av3k, tox, fazz, ...).
However, we might already see some cointoss-y matches like rapha-evil, rapha-cypher or rapha-dahang at this point, I'll give you that.
Probability: ~65%

Total probability of top4: .99 * .99 * .65 = 64%

A wild DAHANG appears!
It's super effective!

dunno what you based your predictions on, especially for ro16, but from what i've seen most of the top players upped their game compared to quakecon standard, and rapha is still behind his quakecon form.

Name one LAN loss of rapha against someone as skilled as gienon or sting.

-- That's what I based my predictions on.

most of the top players upped their game compared to quakecon standard

What players are you talking about? Cypher, evil, avek, dahang?
It's very unlikely that he'll meet some of those players in the round of 16.

Round of 16:
He will play against 3rd/4th place of some group, possibly group C.

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What is unclear to you?
He will be 1st/2nd in group D, so it's likely he will play against 3rd/4th of group C.

And it's not like any other possible 3rd/4th place (except maybe spartie?) could beat him.

does a play b and c play d?

That's what I assume. But it doesn't matter too much, because (almost) anyone placing 3rd/4th in group stage will be too easy for rapha.

quakecon rapha, yes. this rapha... lol no.

What do you know about his shape? I'm honestly curious.

He's always been well prepared for any international LAN. And all I see on qlranks is him owning everyone except DaHanG. But I really don't think this indicates that rapha somehow forgot how to quake.

edit: Are we talking about the same rapha, i.e. the most successful QL player who even made av3k quit quake for a period of time? If you were saying this kind of stuff about someone like k1llsen or cooller -- alright. But rapha? He won't come ill-prepared.

well if he's not aborting matches like cooller, i know that dahang is wiping the floor with him, and there's a week minus the trip before dreamhack.

the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Wiping the floor? That's not exactly true and might just be a testament to rapha's training methods. You can't possibly know. :)

The question is -- who would DaHanG wipe the floor with if he was playing against them? Gienon? Most definitely. matr0x? Of course. twister? Yep. Detrony? Him too.

The rest is highly relevant, you just don't want to see it. If you want to pretend rapha was some newschool player rising up and failing to beat DaHanG, that's fine with me, though. ;)

dahang upped his aim playing some ca, nigga is fucking benching ca pros now

euros bout to get lit the fuck up

I'm so looking forward to this. Also to ph4ntom and fraze. I wouldn't be surprised if there were only 4 euros in top8. I can't remember the last time this was a realistic chance on European ground. ;)

Can confirm.

If you want to pretend rapha was some newschool player rising up and failing to beat DaHanG, that's fine with me, though. ;)

dahang is wiping the floor with him, and there's a *week* minus the trip before dreamhack.

i give up.

Once again: You can't judge how rapha will play against the Europeans by looking at a dozen practice matches he played against DaHang.

As this is your only (flawed) argument, and you've ignored all my arguments, I don't think this discussion is going anywhere.

I agree with scowl. Raphas shape isnt that great untill he bootcamps. Dahang even said in his pre dhack interview, that rapha doesnt get 'that'it strong untill a few days before the lan events.

Don't forget that before Quakecon rapha was losing almost all his matches against DaHanG that even made him look unstoppable, then Quakecon came and in LAN DaHanG couldn't win any round against him.

wat? dahang vs rapha on cure. If rapha did not hit that lucky rail dahang would have came back and won the game knocking rapha out

i remember dahang getting smashed by evil but playing pretty close matches with rapha

also, keep in mind that it's both cure and sinister this time, and i honestly see sinister as a default win for dahang atm

Quick look at QLranks:

[Sinister] 1 day ago rapha 7 1 dahang

I have thought this many times before. No way I'm making that mistake again.

About that ... :)

still wouldn't be

wat? I'm sorry, sir, are you from the past?

i wouldn't be surprised?

dahang could have won, evil played like shit, rapha hardly impressive.

lol

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Spart1e? DreamHack Winter 2013 Winner > Cypher

^^ way to be objective / believe in yourself :p

Haha. Well, what can i say? He worked way Harder Than me to win this tournament. His shape is the best ever right now. So me voting on the best player is not me not believing in myself.

good call tho :D wp <3

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They knew enough not to cheat and get banned from it.

lol @id deciding winner by poll.

easy money for COOLAH

wow i thought evil would be a lot closer in the polls...

cmon cooller!

lol @ fake cooller votes

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You wonder why they won't let you go to DHW, Jessica.

This poll could still end up predicting the winner correctly...after all, it is coolller we're talking about. I think that Dreamhack attends cooller, not the other way around.

Yes, dhack goes to cooller haha

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Dahang will be called Darude after pwning all the ass

http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw13/2013/11/22/daru...dreamhack/

at least this poll got its legitimacy back

how evil can win, he played couple games for 2 weeks

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Haha, awesome!

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Really think K1llsen could take it. Hope so as he's my 2nd favourite dueler (1st being avek :D).

Can it be this guy?

hall of fame

dahang

I recon Evil or Av3k as a suprise under dog but you can never count out Rapha or Cypher.

CYPHER CYPHER CYPHER

LOL @ those predictions.

yeah, we're all voting for interesting stuff and in the end, the results were the most unsurprising, they could have been :(

So a 3-2 final between rapha and cypher, best two players in the world, isn't interesting for you? I guess there's no pleasing you at all :-(

the results, not the games ;)

would have liked to see one of the underdogs stir things up some more.

ah, i should have read more closely. yes, you're right that a rapha v. cypher final and a cypher champion is truly not surprising. but holy shit were those games good.

I win