wasnt expecting spelling errars

"(Jun 03,1999)

Some reasonable messages have convinced me that a single immediate jump after landing may be important to gameplay. I’ll experiment withit.

Strafe jumping is an exploitable bug. Just because people have practicedhard to allow themselves to take advantage of it does not justify it’s exis-tance. When I tried fixing the code so that it just didn’t work, I thought itchanged the normal running movement in an unfortunate way.

In the absense of powerups or level features (wind tunnels, jump pads,etc), the game characters are supposed to be badasses with big guns.

ArnoldSchwartzeneggerandSigourneyWeaverdon’tgetdownahallway by hopping like a bunny rabbit.

This is personal preference, but when I play online, I enjoy it more whenpeople are running around dodging, rather than hopping.

My personal preference just counts a lot. :-)"

Awesome <3

He is an awesome programmer but not a good game designer. When the latter left the company id software went downhill, including all the games they made on this millennium and some could do say it started before with quake2 and quake3 as vanilla games (no mods that use the engine and resources) in comparison to what they did before and what other games were available at the time (again vanilla).

Great engines, not great games. I find amazing that black ops 2 core is the q3 engine while at the same time id got stuck for years doing a borderlands copy.

"When the latter left the company id software went downhill"
who?

i think he means the guy responsible for daikatana :DD

that would be john romero... but I believe he left id slightly before the q2 release.
And you just gave the right argument as to why (if he means john romero) it is not a good point being made ;)

He's funny like that.

Who cares about Daikatana anymore? Id Software have been making bad games since Quake 4 and everybody's still on about what John Romero did a decade ago.

so id software made quake4, really?

Yes, id Software supervised the whole thing.

except for the fact that they didn't "make" quake4, they came in later to fix parts of the mess other devs/raven left them (in their name).

Source please?

common knowledge, odd you apparently don't know about this :) id did the engine and later came in trying to fix the mess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_4

Quake 4 is the fourth title in the series of Quake first-person shooter computer games. The game was developed by Raven Software and published by Activision. Raven Software collaborated with id Software, the creators and historical developers of preceding Quake games. In this case, id Software supervised the development of the game as well as providing the Doom 3 engine, now referred to as 'id Tech 4' and released under the GNU General Public License on 22 November 2011, upon which it was built.

Odd, you apparently missed this bit:

"In this case, id Software supervised the development of the game as well as providing the Doom 3 engine"

They supervised it because they wanted it their own way.

erm, were you even around when the q4 debacle played out?

yes, id delivered the engine and in *theory* should have had an eye on the development of the game. not so much in reality, though.

after a quick look at your account... welcome to my ignore list :d

According to the Wiki article you quoted, it is said that id Software overlooked the whole development of the game. So I trust a Wiki article more than some random opinion from a guy on the internet.

"after a quick look at your account... welcome to my ignore list :d "

Aw :(. You put me on your ignore list because I was pointing out a fact?

I think zealot put you on his ignore list because you recently created your account only about a month ago. That's usually, but ofc not ever always a troll profile, so not worth a moderately in-depth discussion. I was playing q2 at the time q4 came out. I remember hearing how little id Soft was involved.

I'm not a troll.

Read this: http://www.esreality.com/post/2350929/why-did-this-game-fail/

stop whining like a bitch

glad someone dug that up, at one point I remember he commented about locking it to three consecutive jumps..

it actually was that way for some time

sad truth about quake "advanced" movement :DDDD

its a fucking bug, that cant get fixed for 20 years

If you would like to hear more from Carmack, go to this site: http://floodyberry.com/carmack/audio.html

Very interesting.

nice, seeing as http://www.team5150.com/~andrew/carmack is down.

is there any way to download the pdfs of scribd without having an account/ paying money? :)

i dont know if they recently changed this, but i could download a file if i uploaded one in return.

You can download them as html from here:
http://floodyberry.com/carmack/files/johnc_archive.zip

http://floodyberry.com/carmack/

thank you!

I just found an old edge magazine with about 5-6 pages dedicated to quake 3 before its release?

Is it worth an upload?

Yes.

BAZINGA!
http://esreality.com/post/2394980/quake-3-edg...1999-scan/

Oh yes!

If you want to watch something interesting about ID Software, you should go here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YreEwtV7D0
(5 parts)

And here is John Romero and Tom Hall speaking about Doom: http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014627/Classic-Game-Postmortem

A visit to id Software:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65xJfVkiaI

QuakeWorld launch event:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXw6BkZ-gdY

I like this one:
http://floodyberry.com/carmack/johnc_plan_2000.html#d20000327

"Two years ago, Id was contacted by the Startlight Foundation, an organization that tries to grant wishes to seriously ill kids. (www.starlight.org)

There was a young man with Hodgkin's Lymphoma that, instead of wanting to go to Disneyland or other traditional wishes, wanted to visit Id and talk with me about programming.

It turned out that Seumas McNally was already an accomplished developer. His family company, Longbow Digital Arts (www.longbowdigitalarts.com), had been doing quite respectably selling small games directly over the internet. It bore a strong resemblance to the early shareware days of Apogee and Id.

We spent the evening talking about graphics programmer things - the relative merits of voxels and triangles, procedurally generated media, level of detail management, API and platforms.

We talked at length about the balance between technology and design, and all the pitfalls that lie in the way of shipping a modern product.

We also took a dash out in my ferrari, thinking "this is going to be the best excuse a cop will ever hear if we get pulled over".

Longbow continued to be successful, and eventually the entire family was working full time on "Treadmarks", their new 3D tank game.

Over email about finishing the technology in Treadmarks, Seumas once said "I hope I can make it". Not "be a huge success" or "beat the competition". Just "make it".

That is a yardstick to measure oneself by.

It is all too easy to lose your focus or give up with just the ordinary distractions and disappointments that life brings. This wasn't ordinary. Seumas had cancer. Whatever problems you may be dealing with in your life, they pale before having problems drawing your next breath.

He made it.

Treadmarks started shipping a couple months ago, and was entered in the Independent Games Festival at the Game Developer's Conference this last month. It came away with the awards for technical excellence, game design, and the grand prize.

I went out to dinner with the McNally family the next day, and had the opportunity to introduce Anna to them. One of the projects at Anna's new company, Fountainhead Entertainment (www.fountainheadent.com), is a documentary covering gaming, and she had been looking forward to meeting Seumas after hearing me tell his story a few times. The McNallys invited her to bring a film crew up to Canada and talk with everyone whenever she could.

Seumas died the next week.

I am proud to have been considered an influence in Seumas' work, and I think his story should be a good example for others. Through talent and determination, he took something he loved and made a success out of it in many dimensions.

http://www.gamedev.net/community/memorial/seumas/ for more information."

That 404 is disappointing.

You can see this page here in the archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20030207052404/htt...al/seumas/

http://www.oculusvr.com/

"There is nothing quite like having John Carmack tell you about a technological breakthrough that excited him.
The id Software programming genius who co-created Doom and launches rockets in his spare time will just unload on you. And—this is flattering—he will assume you can keep up.

Yesterday at E3 in Los Angeles, I pretty much just asked Carmack to explain why he's programming the re-release of Doom 3 to work with a prototype $500 head-mounted display. His response was pure Carmack, a dozen-minute nearly uninterrupted oral dissertation on the ins and outs of head-mounted tech.

John Carmack is more excited about a future with immersive virtual reality gaming than he is one with everyone wearing augmented reality Google glasses. Watch the video to find out why. Or, hell, just watch the video you and you'll understand why there's no one in the world quite like John Carmack."

http://kotaku.com/5916210/carmack-being-carma...ohncarmack

Before the release of q3Test:

An ideal game should give scores as close to directly proportional to theplayers reletive skills as possible. The better player should win in almostall cases, but the game will be more entertaining if the inferior players are not completely dominated.

Quake 1 had really bad characteristics that way – Thresh can play extremely talented players and often prevent them from scoring a singlepoint.

We wouldn’t put up with a conventional sport that commonly game scores of 20 to 1 in championship matches, and I don’t think we should encourage it in our games. Eliminating health items is probably the clearest way to prevent blow out games, but that has never been popular.

Still, we should try to avoid weapon decisions that allow the hyper-skilled to pull even farther away fromtherestofthecrowd. They will still win, no matter what the weapons are, just not by as wide a margin.

This is when it all started to go downhill for us hardcore gamers :S

Edit:
We could have been stuck with 'shootmania' @ 1999!
Close call!

I actually read the whole thing by now, and wow there were some nice memories in there for me with all the nerd talk from Carmack :D

I felt like a teenager again with all the updates/changes and also the test systems he was using to make sure that the game was running properly. You can clearly understand how much influence this guy had in the development of Quake. There is a reason no one else has managed to make a game as good (for us FPS players) as our beloved Quake...

To bad he is to focused and/or interested in other projects than FPS engines :/

http://esreality.com/post/2394980/quake-3-edg...1999-scan/

Uhm, we got some John Carmack on there, mm, I enjoy it on there, mm.

He really calmed down with the hums though.