ask him if he gonna incorporate atmon polygons into idtech6

year after some fools chatted about it, youtube full of demos with 30 trillion polys on screen

ehm?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VTknttRrNKw/TIqFMQt...shot_3.jpg

Talk about overkill.

Yeah, they have been boasting about that since.. 1993? It will never work. Even if they ever got it to work, which they haven't, the system is still incapable of rendering animations - you would be stuck with a static world.

its why youtube got bombed with all the demo vids, dell etc all go packages to test it out, and its on most tech sites

most of the vids have 1m + views since 1 aug

... and they have no actual working model, and still will not be able to incorporate animation into it at all. It's useless.

depends if nvidia or ati open another GPU thread to transform normal polys into atom polys using another core on CPU on pci e 3.0 cards, which open the doors to all engines and applications n shit with pre processing

the vid is probaly fake, and has less detailed polys then rage link under it

No.

atom poly code in card drivers like physX engines call on or 3d apps and super computers that make movies

animation is played in engine
>transform polys to atoms
frame rendered
frame on screen

It can't actually render physics, as nothing can move in the engine.

Well, they say in the comments box on the vid "Yes grumpy forum people, we do have animation, but you'll just have to be patient".

So.. maybe... Oo

But it's basically a big troll, so that probably won't happen.

I don't think anyone doesn't want it to happen, though, because that shit looks pretty damn good.

They've been saying it since 1993.

why would it need to render physics, atom is just some "technology" to transform normal polygons into atom polygons, model design and build process doesnt change, the modeller just does`nt have to worry much about the number of normal polys` they use on a model

somewhere in the engine or GFX card, the polys would call the atom function to transform polys into atoms

physX is in nvidia cards and does random manipulations to external physic code in the engine http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx_new.html

games that use physX are "slightly" different to games played on ati card, ati doesnt have physX

No.

yup, find out more about it all, and it is all it does, you not working with atom polys during design, its business as normal when making models, and that what dell says

somewhere during the processing of all http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch14.html and before the frame is rendered, poly`s are converted to atom polys

does it have custom hand models tho?

only if some modeller makes some for failed transfer mesh, but its a shit player model..

make custom player models, modellers can make inview arms for it too and have custom voice taunts and extra sounds

Q43A does 100% custom MP player models

anything else Q4, when a player is playing and using the failed transfer model, on their screen will be the default marine arms and skin holding your weapons, while the world you will be the failed transfer model with skinny arms and wasted flesh on your arms

sry, not interested then.

play as the medic, and you will a dodgy skin change and have a white armor patch on your glove, or pro green/orange models have skin changes but armor is not as bright as the world skin cos its too eye catching

start a wifi server in your quakecon hotel if you aint going to strip bar at night , 1.4.2 win/linux

http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/downloads

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/8386977075/its-a-scam

i kinda remember playing delta force 2 i think, and the terrain was not poly's but more like crude grass, even though it was supposed to be snow i think. That was kinda weird, but i guess novalogic really tried their own way with games. Can't say it worked out for them.

those were voxels (volumetric pixels) iirc, same thing that powered the awesome outcast game.

Damn outcast was amazing :(

i have seen the other vids a long ago and they said it uses some kind of search engine and only renders what you are seeing. i would still call it fake, but we will see if they will ever release the tools.

i found the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWujsO2V2IA&feature=related

I don't understand how they can come up with all that, yet still be incapable of uploading a 1080p youtube video without fucking it up.

here's more info from someone who has coded more then just mods.
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/8386977075/its-a-scam

i have already said the vid is probaly fake

Q43A isnt a few tweaks on code, most of the driver/sDK has been recoded which is more then any other mod for idtech has ever done before, and made a crap game good and fully playable, adds more new features n shit then any other mod ever has and so on, when most mods make the game crap

to make this vid you would need a super computer or a couple of months to render then scenes and animation paths

yeah what modern games need is a new gfx engine since there hasnt been enough effort put into graphics instead of gameplay in the last decade

He wont. He made a comment about it on twitter.

https://twitter.com/#!/ID_AA_Carmack/statuses/98127398683422720

"no chance of a game on current gen systems, but maybe several years from now. Production issues will be challenging."

Which essentially is carmack language for "close to impossible to make it working in an actual game.

probaly no worse then having plants with wind affecting them, what is wind in a physics engine and game, or realtime water

plant models are all static, until you put wind up in atmosphere files

and its probaly down to nvidia and ati to add it to the cards and how they handle poly`s, while nothing much really changes anywhere else, like physX code

The computer power needed to handle physics such as like you mentioned sounds immense. Ragdoll physics for example, not sure if it's just a simple issue as fixing the graphic cards. Carmack usually dont disregard stuff like this.

Yea, bit frustrating, but it is up on YouTube already so not too bad really - www.YouTube.com/QuakeCon2011

dont see it there

a true geek, it's too late now for me to listen to it and comprehend anything, lol

wast the next step after mega textures...which if i remember were procedural...procedural geometry?

does anyone have a link to a video of the keynote? can't seem to find anything on google, only articles with some information on what he talked about. Maybe its not out there yet, or i'm just stupid, and not looking the right places.

See #18

there is no keynote, video private in comments they say its without sound so give us real link or stop spam XD

Bleh, this sounds bad. I checked this morning and saw the keynote video with 93 views (non-private), but didn't watch it (was planning to watch tonight).

Hopefully when trying to fix the buzz on the QL feed they didn't unplug the keynote sound!

well its up now, thanks for the link.

that's weird, maybe it youtube being a bitch about countries, but it says uploaded 2hrs ago here.. ahh well i get to watch carmack going at it like a boss now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUuUvDSXk4 if these guys aren't trolling.. whatever Carmack said is irrelevant

The guy still sounds like a c**t the second time around.

I'm giving serious thought to ripping his video, highlighting all the biased and flawed examples (the whole thing) with proof and reposting it on youtube.

I mean, from the word go you know he's hugely corrupt when he posts this image to set the lowest basis of comparison possible towards the medium he's trying to compare.



No if's or buts, when was the last time anyone saw something this bad in a cutting edge modern game? Its like starfox on the SNES!

And he gets worse, he starts looking at floors in games, and again, missing out all of the examples of modern day progress.

He posts this....



And here is a screenshot from Crysis from several years ago.
http://h2.abload.de/img/1n93h.jpg

All of a sudden, the problems he's APPARENTLY highlighting are not an issue and its doesn't help that the game world he uses looks like an MMO from 1996.

cryengine 2 is unmatched even nowdays imho.

The witcher 2 gfx> crysis 2 gfx

cryengine 2 = crysis 1, but crysis 1 does not show cryengine's 2 full potential.

I beg to differ:
http://youtu.be/CtGYtdDI6eE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v5wtSM1rNk&am...ideo_title

it gets more interesting @ 1:30, but watch it all anyway

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bierbLFX8e8&feature=related
EDIT:
inb4 whine about physics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG5qDeWHNmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FekWcbFMHSA&feature=related

Yes, you can make real pretty environments with the cryengine 2. Those in the first vid where quite spectacular. But as for the rest, does not really stack up against UE 3 and what can be done with UDK right now.

Also, UDK barrels for the lulz: http://youtu.be/B7_rPDwSKe8 :D

haha. I love it.

I'm pretty sure it was the video that started the whole 'mass physics' craze.

you can do it in any engine if you set crate mass to 0.001 and the explosion push damage to anything real high

it's all about that 1st video isnt it? :D

Please do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quGhaggn3cQ - this looks interesting too, a real use for Kinect i guess :D

I know which side i will trust ;)

If Carmack said it's not possible, then it's a scam. Discussion over.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/04/quakecon-2011...m-8pm-bst/

Quake Live “has not been a business success.” The next Quake will be internal, but nothing’s in the works right now.

Its their own fault.

Well, what did they expect? They recycled an old, almost dead game, made a few minor tweaks, and put it in a browser. Maybe if they added some major changes, like a fully-fledged esports system, it could have succeeded. Having the game in a browser has some advantages, most of which were underutilized in QL. Simply putting a game in a browser is not going to be the difference between success and failure.

"Simply putting a game in a browser is not going to be the difference between success and failure."

Even jonsey gets what they didn't. Abandon all hope!
No offence.

he is a smart mofo
always enjoying his talks

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/quakecon-2011/15299

Wheres the Q&A?

edited out apparently.