2v2 CA :DDDD

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Said this, the question is if you have more tips or experiences to share.

Remember to eat your vegies, it's good for you.

2) Pros dodge like mad. I did not realize at first, but my girlfriend made me notice and then I was like "wtf, look at them". They tap the dodge keys like crazy, uber high clicks/minutes, way faster than I was used to.

No doubt. First time I ever played Rapha I was like "wtf I can't hit this guy!"

Only advice is you keep playing them and you'll get better at hitting them and get better at dodging yourself.

One thing to do is:
Dodge first, aim second. I've always done this since Quakeworld...and there was a point in time when Kovaak (arguably the best NA QW player with insane aim) could not hit higher than 30% shaft on me (he would hit 35-40 against others) in povdmm4 games.

Another is to notice dodge patterns of other players...9 times out of 10 people change their dodging based on their weapon usage. Use that fact to change your own dodging and your aim...

tl;dr

Dodge first, aim second.

You've seen how LAN is..projectile weapons absolutely destroy on LAN.
USE THOSE ROCKETS! :DDDDD

I don't get your point tbh. Tapping +moveleft and +moveright just result in you standing on the spot moving next to nowhere in either directions. Tapping the keys randomly just generate "normal" doding but slower since u keep stopping for a brief second.

Wtf?

if you go to a LAN and watch a pros keyboard hand you'll better understand what he's talking about. I know what he's referring to from attending a couple of Quakecons. You don't just tap left and right really fast back and forth, it's more like re-positioning rapidly.

Isn't this just "normal dodging"?

lol yeah totally. I'm sure you dodge exactly the same as Rapha and Cooller.

You don't get my point. Of course Rapha and Cooller dodges better than me. They have both played the game forever and on the highest level, and especially these two are known for their dodging. My point is that this style of key pressing seems to be quite normal to me. Rapha and Cooller just execute it better than the most.

I was just curious what OP meant with rapid key presses because it doesn’t really makes any sense to me.

Of course I don't mean constant or random patterns. They do some meaningful dodge. But the very basic and raw observation was that the frequency at which they would press the dodge keys was way faster than what I would ever think of doing. I was looking at rapha, fazz and strenx and all of them impressed me in this sense.

Btw, not strictly related to this, but after Rapha won against Strenx I asked him how the hell he was possible that he outshafted Strenx in various occasions, and he told me that the weakness of Strenx shaft is that he does a very basic dodge while shafting - which is one reason he can aim so well - and that that's what allowed him to hit him so much.

Yeah okay. I guess you have to see it for yourself to really understand this :).

Your opponent will see your model moving in another direction and adjust his aim. If you combine periods of tiny movement with periods of large movements and timing their reload, it will become much harder to predict where you are going.

Well in quakelive there no comand to see keypresses so id say slow the demos down and see some important fights from some games.

- how the hell cooller evades lg and rockets

- how rapha evades cooller in the iem finals untouched when hes out of positioning and where any other guy would have taken alot of damage

there is a program. cba to provide link sorry.

play duel => watch demo => think about every hit and whether you could have dodged it (thinking about rails here, like picking up ra on ztn and how many of you dodge the rail from beneath) => improve in the next game => succes
Play vs slightly better players as they challenge you more.

and CA ofc

Would be rly interesting to see the keypresses by pros while they're dodging. There are so many things to learn in detail.

I don't know what console command or config or mod streamers use (the one that times the items), but it indeed would make sense to add similar spectator-friendly feature that shows which movement keys the spectated player is pressing.

try to use +forward/+backward for dodging aswell. +backward is easier, but +forward could surprise more.

Im wondering if that razer headset for starcraftII can measure the apm in ql, at least it could give an estimation on how much they are pressing the keys based on the lights of the headset. i guess cooller would melt it :>

who cares?

everybody who replied but you, apparently.

i always was a beast at dodging

hope that helps

sincerly
yank3

It helps, thanks.

Damn, I paid more attention on how they used +zoom on the last global events :/

so how do they use it?

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serious question?

On many many occasions I didn´t think about it before.

sure serious

on wich maps/situations and at what range starting

dm6 bridge stairs to pillars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc0UnJD9ek0

rapha tarp nothing for le zoom lg of strenx

lol at that zoom lg, sick :/ did rapha scream HOOOOOOOOOOOOW or was it just one of the spectators :D

no, im pretty sure it was rapha :D

hehe :)

How would one go about playing QL on LAN apart from a tourney?

One wouldn't (epic win against piracy, of course).

Thats what I thought, which is horseshit. They should make a "create LAN game" option.

Made a few threads about dodging a while back with ingame footage of pros doing it, and I agree, a lot of it is very fast small precise movements.

I loaded up some wolfcam demos of me playing and watched it from the other guy's POV to see how bad my dodging is. Needless to say, I don't really dodge, I just aim. Bit like Strenx I guess (but obviously less effective :D). Trying to put in the fast movement but it takes my LG down from like 40% to 30%...

On an unrelated note, one thing I always found helped (oddly enough) was playing the scout class in Team-Fortress 2. You do a lot of fast tapping and crazy shit to dodge (or at least I do). It's funny how other games you play can effect play or experience in others.

From the journal thing I made about dodging a while back. Cooller's is easier the best around (at least in my opinion). Watching it in slow-mo you can see the keypressed more and I find with Cooller it can sometimes be about what he doesn't press more then does since he stands still to confuse his opponent a lot. Also a lot of forward and backward movement thrown in the mix

Curious.. what exactly would you consider furious tapping? Would it be something like this or even more extreme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2byAshYlA3g (Timescaled by 0.5 or something)

timescale 10 and it's close :)

I can't say from the vid.

lan server bypass all of the client prediction code, lans are 100mbs, not 3->20

lans have a few local routers to go through, not 10.000 miles and satelites and packet loss

get good at dodging and dodge in the same direction still firing

word, militia's dodgy code is where it's at

aint dodgy code, if you have duel core, playing on a remote dedicated server will just feel soft and smooth like your game is acting as a listenserver..

cpu/gfx will give you more FPS, there aint much FPS drops because of bad code

playing militia causes heavy neuron drops instead of fps drops

depends if you talking about militia or Q43A

in Q43A you dont have to worry about a shit load of bugs and glitches and random game crashes, and you can have 128 players on a map,

relativity 60slot on moddb for Q43A is kind of shit, relativity is a hog of polys anyway, and a big skybox to slow it down abit more

and if you play it CTF and run the server with si_killreturnsCTF 1, there is always something todo

si_killreturnsCTF will return flag to base as soon as carrier has been killed

guerilla warfare with team names at its best, fuck it all, just go for it mofux0r, you can always drop the flag before you die

yes, especially vs pros you will learn to dodge, otherwise almost every rail is a hit. they say my dodging is funny but i cant give a fuck less:D im tapping like strenx is playing the piano;)
a good map to train this is wcp5 when u standing at rl vs the flagdef with rail trying to kill the def with mg.

but my girlfriend made me notice---

way to sneak it in mate :D

i thought exactly the same when i read it haha

I knew somebody would call this out :p

then again everyone who read's this site regularly has probably seen pics of your gf

like dansen said most of the ppl here know about ur gf and therefore, you can mention her whenever you like ;)

just get virgin media internet, waste of time all this dodging malarky!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k7dbRsfkVg

lol, nice

whats nice about it? :D once u got the pattern down its easy as shit. dodge a reasonable good rl in ql in and u can start talking |]

most useful dodge pattern is +back +back + back
watch rapha/cooller demos... they are the best example for +back
watch toxjq for impressive dodging