Why? It has 450dpi, what else do you need?

400

use math

OR razer could just learn how to make a mouse.

buhuuuuu, 450 instead of 400DPI :'(

Iv been using 400dpi all the time why should I change because Razer don't know how to make a mouse.

because this +50 dpi is the biggest flaw of the mouse (for many ppl)

you ain't serious now, are you?

Razer make over priced products that don't work.

The only Good mouse they made was the original DA, then the Salmosa and Abyssus are ok but they have their own problems with squeaky buttons, jittering , High LOD and only working with certain pads.

Razer make over priced products that don't work.

Woops thats SteelSeries you are describing there not Razer. All good products from Razer are worth the Price they have and DA 3500DPI is definitely one of them.

It seems you are simply to lazy/dumb to adjust your sens properly.

Ok,
I CBA arguing about "Gaming" companies.

WMO/3.0
Cloth Pad
Any Keyboard
Is all you need.

i've never owned any razer products but i know people who do and are happy with them
i only posted because you were bitching about that +50 dpi like it made the mouse totally useless
also you sounded like the evil razer guys were forcing you to switch from your dear 400dpi ms mouse to their garbage 450 one after so many years

"I only posted because you were bitching about that +50 dpi like it made the mouse totally useless
also you sounded like the evil razer guys were forcing you to switch from your dear 400dpi ms mouse to their garbage 450 one after so many years"

This is the only reply i'm going to be making.

The 50dpi difference wasn't what I was getting at, What I was trying to say was that, Razer act like they really care about the products and want to make the best gaming products, But I think they have never tested one of their products (except for the original DA).

Basically all the products have clear problems.

the jittering is over on the newer versions of abyssus, it just shows that they care...

It shouldn't of been their in the first place, I imagine it's the first thing you test when you're creating a mouse if the sensor works or not.

at least they fixed it, lol

Just got a DA BE, no probs here so far. Seems to perform pretty much on par with the old DA.

Though for some reason it feels a tiny wee bit more responsive on 3500 (native?) dpi, similar to using 1800 vs other values on the old DA. Not that it matters, raw input and some quick calculating solves that issue.

bs bs bs bs bs

that's a bit harsh, razer isn't that bad. it is not an easy task to create a flawless product in everyones mind. also you were describing steelseries perfectly :>

It's not harsh at all, when I'm spending X times the amount on a "gaming" mouse and it doesn't even the the basics right.

what basics are you talking about? there never was a standard for mouse dpi nor will there ever be :>

Abyssus skipping,jittering and high LOD
DA 3.5 skipping,jittering and high LOD.
imperator Z-axis problem.

These are basics mistakes.

wtf are you on at, the da is considered to have the hugest perfect control of all mice and it skips for you? oO

also it doesn't jitter with newer firmware. you don't pay for a firmware update. just, the should have released the mouse without that issue.

high lod? fuck off, is it too fucking hard to cover a bit of the opening with tape? I'd agree with you (if I would care because I don't lift my mouse very much) if that wasn't very easy to fix... but it is.

"also it doesn't jitter with newer firmware."
"high lod? fuck off, is it too fucking hard to cover a bit of the opening with tape?"

Basic mistakes, don't you agree?

well jitter definitely yes, high lod not so much (not so much as it is not a big deal for me, but it shouldn't be there - zowie for example used a special lens to lower the lod)

Exactly, Razer market them selfs as making the best e-sport products but they make basic mistakes that make your performance worse and their basic mistakes.
It's like a footaball company releasing a egg shape football but it has fancy leather,stitching and it has fancy lights.

ah ok those flaws, I completely agree. it looks like bad quality management to me, which is poor for such high priced products indeed. I heard abyssus might have been fixed now, time to send the flawed ones back and hopefully get a working one.

on the other hand, don't get ANYTHING PERIOD before reading a few reviews from people who know their stuff. esr has always been a reliable source for gaming hardware for example. the whole computer market is overflowed with bad products, not necessarily linked to a company as a whole but certain products or even product charges. razer had good products as well.

Ok, thank you for agreeing with me.
I got my evidence from experience.

hey, that's not true!

while the kinzu is shit and the xai has some issues, the ikari mice (opical and laser) were absolutely GREAT

yeah, because the diamondback, copperhead, krait etc. were all shit (notice the sarcasm). the copperhead was arguably a bad one, due to its laser sensor being insufficient for most gamers sensitivities. side buttons and the sharp rubber rest were also issues.

before that there have been the boomslang / boomer which are ballmice. they had a ridiculous shape. then there was the viper (the diamondbacks ancestor, although its shape is a krait) which had multiple flaws.

the diamondback has been released after the krait. it had issues too! but they were fixed with firmware upgrades mostly. after that came the lachesis which again had a bad sensor and arguably a bad shape.

then, in 2007: re-released diamondback, this time with the 3g sensor used in the deathadder.
re -released boomslang (however, only 10,000 units) with an optical sensor (again the Avago 3668 used in the deathadder).

in 2008: salmosa
in 2009: mamba, naga, orochi, da respawn (3.5g sensor - Avago S3888), imperator, abyssus
in 2011: da be

I don't have the mamba, nor the naga, orochi and imperator, but there have been a lot of complaints about the sensor in them (Philips Twin Eye 2032) which had the infamous z-axis bug. however, the maba has a great shape from what I've heard. I would like to try the naga because I heard it is comfortable while I'm of the opinion that it can't be comfy. I'm curious about the shape of the orochi.

so in conclusion: razer has made both good (some even great) and bad products. I have to agree that nearly all razer mice have their flaws - be it side buttons, glossy finish etc. etc. - but that doesn't make them bad.

ps. salmosa was and still is a flawless mouse, if the mouse button squeaks than all you need to do is use some compressed air -,-

Please explain to me then how Microsoft made two of the greatest "gaming" mice of all time even thought they weren't even designed for gaming and cost a fraction of the price compared to other "gaming" mice, That even have basic fundamental flaws.

many people consider them flawless, while I spot such things like MOTHAFUCKINGHUGE cable or glides that are nothing like those from razer. you can tell from the build quality of the wmo that it is a cheap mouse etc.

I consider the MS mice to be good, but not great - just sufficient, a good alternative. not really something that easily beats a diamondback or sth. (uh oh prediction hit me baby yeah). many guys prefer the MS mice just due to them having enforced the lowest amount of prediction in a mouse.

There is nowhere written, that 400DPI is the right DPI (like godsend one), and 450DPI not.
Old ballmice had about 500DPI, so why isn't 500DPI the only real DPI?

I never said 400dpi was the best, But I imagine that it's one of the most common so most people will be use to it, So why make a unnecessary change?

At that time avago could produce the 3G sensor to keep the performance up to 1800DPI, so ofc razer took the 1800dpi which u can half and fourth, rather than 1600DPI they already had with the diamondback.

isnt even an argument

they dont make the sensors they use, they buy them from a 3rd party

and if your biggest complaint is about using simple division to get the same feel then get over it

If I owned a "Gaming" company and I'm sure you would do the exact same and put the sensor thought rigorous testing to make sure the sensor was up to scratch before even choosing whether to use it in your product or not.

the only complaint you described was the dpi issue so no point in bringing up sensorwhine

Old Sens * past DPI / new DPI = New Sens

given sensitivity 2.30 with 450 dpi

2.30 * 450 / 400 = 2.59

install razer drivers and change sensitivity on the slider. that's the closest you can get to a custom dpi

no, use math (or: http://phoon.us/mouse ).

get roccat kone + it has a built in speaker that shouts out loud the dpi's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uecwFRZs2iQ

most of the mice that are really good were originally not intended to be suited for gamer.

you mean a few microsoft mice? I would turn that around and say most of the mice designed for (hardcore) gamers are not really suited for (HARDCOOOREE) gamers

ye, true in a way. considering how many keyboards and other periphery is out there good mice come rarely.

Nice offtopic guys :> Could u tell me 450,900,1800 and 3500 it's only a software limit ? or avago's limit ?

hardware, steelseries 1cpi-steps are bs too btw.

hw
what's the problem with staying with 450dpi 6/11win and adjusting your ingame sens?

It's a very small difference going from 400 to 450. Just recalculate your sensitivity to match and you're good to go. I really don't see what the big deal is. I wouldn't do a dpi setting that the mouse doesn't support outright with a hardware setting.

I always played without any drivers (I had mx518, now DA). I had always 800 dpi in my mx + I always played with cl_mouseaccel. Now with 900 dpi razer DA I just can't adjust it even with ur math :X it doesn't feel the same and what is more it's hard to move in windows with 900 dpi :P

It's a 100 dpi difference. I've been switching back and forth between 400dpi and 800dpi for years now and never had a significant change in overall accuracy because of it. There have been times when I've used more than that (1600 - 2000 dpi) and adjusted just fine. If there was a change, I would've gotten used to it within a month. My best advice is to just get used to it because you're never guaranteed your favorite mouse to be available always.

As for accel, well that's your problem and the reason why I stay away from it. It is inherently inconsistent and a huge pain in the ass to reproduce the same feeling when changing those settings.

I think the moral of the story is if you spend anything more than 30 quid on a mouse you expect it to work flawlessly and cook your dinner whilst taking it up the shit pipe.

If this is so bad with the 3G / 3.5G sensor, then wait for other mice with the newest optical sensor form avago :P

Features
- High speed motion detection – up to 60 ips and 20g
- Enhanced architecture for greatly improved optical
navigation technology
- Programmable frame rate over 6400 frames per
second
- SmartSpeed self-adjusting frame rate for optimum
performance
- Serial port burst mode for fast data transfer
 --------------1800 cpi or 3500 cpi selectable resolution--------------
 -Single 3.3 volt power supply
 -Four-wire serial port along with Chip Select, Power
Down, and Reset pins

The "1800cpi or 3500cpi" kind of killed it for me. I just want a mouse that has around 400dpi (or 450, whatever) and maybe can switch to around 800 or 1000dpi. 1800dpi already seems a bit overboard for me.

there is nothing wrong with 1800...............

Well, you might like 1800, but I think it's a bit useless to have that much dpi. Opinions opinions.

you're right but there is nothing wrong with 1800...............

Lol? Again, that's an opinion. I said it's too much, and that's what I think is wrong with it. So if I'm right, then there is something wrong with it. You can't agree with me and disagree with me. However, if you don't think there's anything wrong with it, then good for you. ............................................................................................ Enough periods for you?