good initiative, looking forward to full FT servers

edit: oh, just realized that you will only get the token if u subscribe during this event anyway... will edit the news so it wont confuse people (like the official news does)

Already noticed the whine about the "I paid, now giev me 1 free months"...

Good idea, hopefully this makes FT little bit more active and brings it some more fans as on the dev pick weekend :)

I just came :)

Good idea, this will bring in more subscribers for sure.

Except for people like me who don't have local servers. Not even this good initiative is enough for me to pay to play with 90 ping minimum.

nice move

Desperate.

was waiting for that one ;)

but even if they are, its a good move that they should have done from the beginning imho (as everyone was proposing after they announced prem/pro

and it didn't even come from vedic!

Those guys come to mind a lot while reading Quake Live update threads. :p

more like reading esr in general

Yeah, but I didn't want to be the one to say it. :p

not like it's some sort of secret :P

as deperate as the hon devs every other week apparently

edit: and they don't even offer a free to play version

Is HoN doing well? I get the impression LoL is doing better just because it's free despite being a worse game.

LoL is the skimpish little cousin of the nerd that is HoN. so yeah, LoL gets more action. but afaik HoN still has 30,000 users online at any giving moment, haven't played it myself in months tho.

HoN is doing really well tbh. number of players increasing every week and soon there will be the editor released :D

Great news for me as I cant pay with a mastercard to get pro/prem acc (waiting for paypal support ). Now I can test / enjoy a bit for free on new maps! Anyway, good step id.

there will never be a paypal support if they think $ equals € .

i'm pretty sure i didn't pay € = $?

i know i did pay in €

I definitely paid in $.

Yawn.

they should have done this straight from start... anyway, its better late than never..

..Just as i start being inactive and away from home. kurwa

5 bucks a person imo.

What about the ppl that who already has premium or pro, what do we get? That free month thingie would be great to give to a friend...

Just like the first generation iPhone buyers!

I guess the only thing we receive is the award that we subscribed to premium/pro.

Nice touch.

Having been a free account for a while, started playing a few duels on the new maps (I'm a shit dueler)

Playing Hektik is great fun, gonna be an instant classic. Even out of control, it can be quite hard, but still fun because if you put in the rails and good rockets you can force your way back in through aim or just position yourself well for battles at red/mega

Edit: I will add that I actually quite like Phrantic, and the rail being there is nowhere near as bad as I thought it'd be.

ofcourse, and whoever bought account on start got shit on stick.

Why?

well it'd be nice if we get some tokens too :) you know, only thingi got when i bought the account was bugs and invites half working (and they're still bugged)

ahhh, they got our money with their shit 1 year subscription - instant opportunity to treat the prepayers like arse..

it has begun!

Works for me (TM)

mine still works, whats the problem?

woot

hub, now?

schooled :D

to be continued ...

yes it will ;D

Shoulda waited for the mid-September content update and PayPal support.

I think that update is next tuesday so it's in the middle.

i want meh pro quakelive website background back

looks like they are desperate

It was one of the most requested things to make premium content available occasionally to free users, so they listened and did it. What's desperate about it?

Theyre panicking out of control in their mansions and ferraris.

... and space rockets

You realise most of the guys at id software could have retired back in the 90's right?

They could have and should have.

fix your mental illness.

stop trolling people by posting comments that make sense...

this

that

Can't blame them - Quakecon and going out of beta were a huge failure.

No. (c) vedic

Yes.

No.

Yes.

Yes.

No.

Maybe no.

Yes.

Hasn't quakecon numbers been going up though? I mean still, it's not like we're talking 5+ digit attendance figures, but it seems to be increasing the last few years at least if the wiki article is right. Though going from beta to release, does seem to have been lackluster.

This Quakecon was actually more popular than it has been in a few years, but the impact to QL was less than last year.

Quakecon popularity vs Quake Live popularity

No Quakecon comparison, but the humps around August show the activity that it brought in.

this man bringe the truth! googletrends!!!!

http://www.google.com/trends?q=star+craft+2&a...amp;sort=0

star craft is dieing too :'(((

That's the search results, which are expected to go down. Sadly, there is no way to get direct player results for SC2, as it isn't a browser game. The decline in search results correlates with a decline in "new" players, as the game has already sold over 3 million copies.

The second link is much more telling of QL's activity, since it shows website hits, and QL is directly played on the website.

quakelive has also had over 3 million subscriptions

False.

quakelive has over 3 million premium subscriptions

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1961691#pid1961691

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1961538#pid1961538

http://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100919.gif

So you subscribe to religion?

I don't get it why you try to bash ql at any given opportunity. I mean it's ok that you dislike it for whatever reasons but this side is espeacially about quake or rather about ql, so what is your intention?
Aren't there enough sc2 sides to post and talk about the game you actually like? Seriously I just want to understand your intents but maybe I'm not retarded enough to get it. But hey I'm going to make an account at TL and open some posts about how shit sc2 is and that only ugly and desperate nerds who can't aim for shit play this game. To prove my point I post a picture of zombie Idra and virgin Morrow and compare them both to cool cooller, handsome Stermy and stylish spartie.

Then I might be as cool as you -______________-

No seriously what da fuck is wrong with you? It's not even funny and I only can imagine how boring your live must be.

If you couldn't tell, my complaints stem from my love for Quake. I don't want the Quake brand to die, and seeing id run it into the ground is infuriating.

The intent of my anti-QL posts are to try to get people to go back to Q3 so the death of QL won't be such a devastating blow to Quake. With id making it clear that Quake is done if QL fails, it's in the hands of the fans to hopefully continue to support Q3 to change their mind. On the other hand, seeing how poorly QL was designed, it's hard to have faith that they'd even be able to make another Quake game without making it as bad as Q4/VQ3.

I don't see you do more for Q3 than id are for QL? Why should the people that like QL go to Q3? Anyway, your way of thinking is not very logic if you say that you 'love' quake since what you seem to do is just bring bad manners and a whiney atmosphere. If you were a troll I would understand. But you say you love quake, thats what I dont understand.

People don't "like" QL - they play it because it has matchmaking.

edit to your edit: Why isn't it? Seeing something I grew up with being destroyed by it's creators? There isn't much I can do to save it, and the answer isn't to support bad decisions by id.

I like QL. But I also like Q3. But my favourite quake is Q2. I don't go and disrespect other peoples opinions just because they differ from mine.

What have I disrespected in an opinion? Offering truth about the decline? Insulting your opinion would be one thing, but the entirety of my activities since QL closed beta have merely been showing that the game is poison to the community.

I'm just unsure about your tactics of making a Q3 comeback simply because you flood various QL threads with negative input rather than doing something constructive if it bugs you so much :)

Like what?

shutting the fuck up dude ffs

The trolling is weak with this one.

but... you like quake2

No I love Q2 :)

But I have played all quakes and they are all good in their own little way. All quake qualify to my top 10 of all played games!

spoken like a true q2er

you guys traded shaft for rail, proper movement for stairs "gliding", rocket launcher for poo gun... your opinion is invalid no matter what. :p

I also prefer Q3/QL but its a known fact in the scene that Q2 is at minimum equally difficult to master.

I don't like when you make my comment invalid. It's not since it's based on my own opinion. Even though you most likely were sarcastic there :)

We actually traded shaft for chain. The movement in Q2 is the most advaced movement out of all quakes. So that is the main reason I still love it, you can control every inch of your jumps, and not to mention you can actually fly off strairs rather than get stuck. A long story short, the movement/feeling is what makes Q2 the game I like the most. Did I even mention double jump/ramp jumps? :)

When it comes to the weapons. Q2 weapons are quite delayed. That is probably the thing most QW/Q3 players really dislike. I understand why, I do. What I personally like with the weapons in Q2 is that it's actually hard to hit high accurasies and not everyone is running around with 40% shaft and 60% rail.

this isn't fun, you're being too nice.

yes, i'm kidding, but i'm also still sad about what happened. q2 is where the revolution should have started, the 'dear programmers, go fuck yourself and leave the gameplay to the one's playing' revolution.
in the end i blame you guys for the failure that was q4 and the mess we were in in the beginning of q3.

ah hell... i blame you for the mess we're in right now. :d

I know what you mean. Sometimes I wished Quake 2 was called 'Random title'. Since it's very different from other quakes and should not be treated with such disrespect from the Q1/Q3 players. It's a very good game in it's own way and would have been better for everyone if it was called something else :)

You should not blame anyone though. All the titles of quake are stand alone games and should not be compared that much to eachother. Play the game you want, support the game you want.

It was originally gonna be called something else entirely. But all the name suggestions they had on it was already taken by other products so they basically just said. Fuck it. Lets call it Quake 2.

Ehm I'm not really a q2 expert. Not at all. Last time I played it must been before 2000, but I am a qw player more then I am a q3/ql player and if there is something you got full control over in qw it's movement.

I don't disagree with you at all. I have just not been a big fan of 100% air control. Just personal preference :)

like not bad q3 player I can say, QL far more better then CPMA vq3 AND OSP was good just for 20ms players... so QL > CPMA/OSP

your fucking tarzan english makes no sense.

The intent of my anti-QL posts are to try to get people to go back to Q3 so the death of QL won't be such a devastating blow to Quake.

http://you-fail.me/

Wanna know whats fail?
link
shitting all over your fanbase.

My fanbase?

Yes. They love you, but you don't give them any love.

Who?

Your fanbase

Which?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=users&user_id=26842

Nice one :)

did they change all public servers to prem. servers?
I think this will give a slightly different image of how many prem. servers are usally on.

there are infinite amount of servers, they spawn always more when current servers are full, but when theres too many servers serverbrowser bugs and doesnt show empty servers anymore if you dont choose "show only empty" from filters...

oh didnt know that. Ty

I have to say, altho this will be good in the longterm for the game, they really should have given tokens to the already paid up premium and pro members.

So basically those of us that supported from the start and bought subscriptions got 12 months for the same price as these new blowins will get 13 months.

So if you bought something, then a week, two weeks or even a month later that item is on sale for a few dollars less, you're going to go back to that store and bitch about not being reimbursed a few dollars?

as expected, they broke the community in half and are going @($^!*&$@^&*$@^ WTF DO WE DO???!@?!@ -mode so this kinda stuff will apear more often to keep things together.
methinks.

For me it seems kinda desperate. QL was alot more active before subscriptions, but hey - whatever attracts more people!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique

This would be great if Freeze Tag was worth playing! Please.. join me in the cause to get Freeze Tag right!

John 'Alien' Clark
ESL Tournament Director

Elaborate?

Actually it's pretty awesome as of now, everybody's playing newer maps, it's so much easier finding people who are eager to play aero/hektik/etc

Oh.. QL in general is very good.. but Freeze Tag is about 8 features/issues away from even being close to a good team game. It is nothing like it should be based on how it was played for years by a large community.

I just got done playing 2 maps.. its bad.. really bad. I love ID and QL.. I mean shoot.. I support it by running events.. but if we want to run FT leagues and tournaments, FT has to be changed. The gameplay is very bad.

www.ufreeze.net and dl some Q3 Freeze Tag matches to see.

Freeze Tag could be a very competitive and active community but changes must be made!

John 'Alien' Clark
ESL Tournament Director

Wow, with those 8 suggestions and changes you listed Freeze Tag would be so much better!

=/

ye lets hear em..

Was ufreeze actually good and/or popular?

they need paypal support badly

My suggestions have already been submitted to syncerror and ID and for the last 2 years I have been asking to be a part of any progress with FT, but have yet to be asked for my input... even though I was the 'lead' for the US FT community for almost 5 years.

The suggestions that I gave him actually were compiled by long time FT players and myself, then submitted to sync.

I hear there may be changes coming, but it would be nice to have them all done at once, so we can get started with creating a community for it and running events! :P

just a few quick ones..

no reset
all weapons
frozen remain frozen at point
no 'draw' rounds.. .. wow that ones bad!
thaw sounds (not hugely important but sound always helps)
unlimited points (default, not 10 default)

The game is meant to be more fluid .. and less like CA.. which is basically what it is right now but with frozen dudes that can be thawed..

There are many other 'features' that would add to the game as well. Not gimmicky things either.. legitimate features that would enhance the competition.

John ' Alien' Clark
ESL Tournament Director

The ft community should stop splitting itself (allweaps us style, no weaps + reset EU style, and insta) and just learn to accept that not all FT implementations are exactly the same as your preferred 10 year old mod.

Self proclaimed "voices of the community" who only speak for their preferred mod and whining that it isn't like that particular version don't really help much.

Yeah these all sound more like preferences than 100% improvements from every point of view.

QL Freeze Tag seems very similar to the last time I played freeze tag 10 years ago in Q2, so just leave it alone :) MAKE IT FREE though ffs, I mean wtf put it premium?

So you want it to be less like CA but you want all weapons on spawn?... right

I never played FT in quake3 and played a little when it was free to play some weeks ago and now during this event, and to me it felt like a fine mod with plenty of opportunities for strategic play.I did not get the impression that the game play was "very bad" at all.

It seems that every time changes are made to just about anything, conservatives will fall over each other in a crusade how everything should stay exactly the same forever so they can keep their competitive advantage and nostalgia intact. Whether it's duel time limits, maps, changes to weapons, runes, amount of players in ctf or now this FT thing.

And I'm not saying you don't have valid points or idea's that may improve FT, but how about you run your Leagues and Tournaments FIRST and AFTERWARDS look at what things could or even should be improved. Instead of the "uh it's unplayable in it's current state, so I'm not going to do anything at all" rhetoric, that isn't really helping anyone.

He's right though. The current freeze tag is a fucking joke, its so boring.

Glad i already put my hard earned money down to get it and now it's free for a month. I help pay for these bums to get it free... :<

its only a week so no probs

yep true... overreaction.

Magician..

As a FT community, we already went through all of what you mention as far as 'making changes'. I have ran tournaments for FT for a long time and with many different settings. Its much like the evolution of TDM, CTF or CPMA.. changes have already been made and accepted by the community to make the mod better.

A good FT team that knows what they are doing would beat any new team 10-0 every time with the current setup. It does not lend it self at all for fair or balanced game play and if you played with the settings and features that have been proposed to ID.. I can assure you that you would like it much better.

I am not asking for anything to stay just the same.. in fact there would be changes as we moved forward... but the current setup is 180 degrees different and without balance that its not even the same game. So do you suggest that we make drastic changes to CTF .. just because we can and because we dont want the 'conservatives' to keep things as they are.

There is no way that I would ran tournaments with the current settings. I assure you that after a single tournament with 4 or 5 teams that know what they are doing and the rest just there to play.. those that just came to 'play' would quickly leave and the community would be no longer.

To say that I am not helping.. that's the furthest from the truth. I have been pushing for FT since the day that QL was released and have submitted the Q3 FT code.. commands, features.. demos, community rants.. etc all in hopes of bringing a solid FT version to QL.

John 'Alien' Clark
ESL Tournament Director

make an account and/or learn to reply ffs

that

The trolling is weak with this one.

No.

no one gives a fuck about ft actually. but cool story bro.

desperate time call for desperate measure

and the QL community once again finds the way to whine

Sums it up.

Whatever id implements or is planing to implement will only be used as an excuse or plain whine material.

where is gtv?

This is great. So much ctf action this weekend.. rawr! On mostly good maps which is really sweet.