duel, tdm and ctf.

ctf only in cpm tho, because vq3ctf is a boring piece of shit.

the outstanding skill of some of the cpmctf (and ntf) players of the past and present is just a pleasure to watch. but that's another topic i guess.

the outstanding skill of some of the cpmctf (and ntf) players

which is why although better than vq3 ctf ,CPM ctf is not very good

what do you mean? too skilled players ruining the game for the rest?

individual skill over teamplay

I'd rather watch FFA over CA...

True. Random fragging > Camping and Spamming

yep.

i can't stand the lameness of CA

haha love that video/demo. syncerror would ban czm if he saw that demo.

how amazing would that have been to see czm running around with a gauntlet instead of 7 damage mg and 100 ammo.

oh wow i remember that ffa quite well..czm looking in great form to take the tournament :). nice for digging that up. i remember playing lots of duel with a 160-240 pinging czm before that quakecon and some other events. i wonder how much of his aim is due to training so much on a high ping vs euros.

son goku x10 gravity style training.

europe = heaven?

and you're that strange guy at the end of the yellow road, don't remember his name

kaio!!

i don't know

I'm not denying his aim and performance in this demo but majority of the tracking was just matched strafe patterns, much easier when the person shooting you isn't even dodging you.

I think all the ffa matches were good from that quakecon with the top players.

wow, scary thing was that was many years ago.
CZM..Probably the best all round quaker there ever was.

When you onsider he graduated from Princeton while being that good I think he gets my vote as the best all round player.

Apart from Sujoy, but he's the choosen one:)

so you mean he could beat even you given an equal amount of practise time? no timefragger? he gotta be hot shits then for real

This is just as insane every time I watch it!

lol, yea the first couple of minutes are pretty ridiculous.

duel, TDM

I like playing CTF, but I don't like spectating it. CA I've never spectated an "organized" match, just pubs. Is there a difference?

yes, organized ca is very different from pub games (unless you're lucky enough to play with proper people).

organized ca can also be very very slow at times... some games take camping to the next level beyond anything you ever saw in cs :p

well, I never played CS, so I can't really compare there. Most of the pub games I've ever been in there isn't really alot of camping, but again this is pubs.

Organized CA happens where, pickups?

i thought you meant clanwars tbh :) no idea if pickups exist as i don't really play ca anymore.

i actually like playing ca, but its horrible to spectate cause serious ca is boring :0

Without a doubt, duel. Even with no commentators, high skill duels are definitely the most fun to watch. TDM for a team mode, ctf is zzz to watch, far more fun to play.

more fun to watch when they're 15 minutes.

duel tdm ctf, in that order

1. duel
2. ctf
3. tdm

that!

Voted All :>

In order:

1. Duel
2. Nations TDM (because nationality adds a personal aspect to viewing the game)
3. CTF
4. Clan TDM
5. CA (only if some really top players were involved, eg fox, cooller)

same here except changing 3 and 4.

Duel and TDM.

duel, tdm.

Duel is as bad as CA.

See what I mean? You think everything is crap :P

Cattiwax voted: Team Deathmatch, Capture the Flag

why?

The majority of duel in VQ3/QL is spent staring at walls.

Ok ok.... but what about cooller?

What about him?

Nevermind, you are lost!

I would have to assume you are, since Cooller plays very close to the optimal VQ3 strategy, and thus, stares down a lot of walls.

There is no optimal VQ3 strategy. Everyone plays different.

have you ever watched rapha? just because young players and eastern europeans (strenx, cypher, av3k, etc.) play a more agressive style doesnt mean there isnt an optimal vq3 strategy.

Optimal VQ3 is getting a 1 frag lead and then playing hardcore +back. The reason you see any success with other strategies is because so few people are willing to play optimal since it's extremely boring to execute, extremely boring to watch, and considered cheesy.

When you have players competing for money, I doubt anyone is going to think to the selves, "I'm not going to use the optimal strategy because it's "boring".

They're kids. Don't act so surprised.

lol, thats like saying:

optimal strategy is just win the game.

no, it isn't.

Not even rapha is backing with a one frag lead.
I know you will simply assume to be smarter than all the top-players combined and that you have it all figured out. Don't you think at least one of them, would have thought of that "strategy" by now, after playing the game for ten years, especially considering that if22 played like that.

Don't you think there is a reason why none of them choose to +back with a one frag lead (if it isn't for the last 2 minutes or so)?
Could it be that they know through experience (experience, that you most likely lack completely) that it doesn't work out?

You know like the danger of losing to game due to being ambushed when going for an armor just once and then losing control.
Sure, it's better to play it safe, but only in your head does that lead to the conclusion that capitalizing on a big armor/health stack by fragging someone in an opportune moment.

Yeah, Rapha is doing it wrong. End of story.

All idiots except for you, is it?

Idiots? No. Doing it wrong? Yes.

so when you get a 1-0 lead its optimal to +back and let the other guy take control so he can try to attack you with 200/200 for 9mins.... wow, why did nobody else think of this?!

This is an example of doing it wrong.

so what is hardcore +back for you? plz tell us about the optimal strategy

Take control, and do not engage. No matter what the opponent does, just bleed the timer, spam, and run. It's not even all that difficult, it's just stupid boring.

You sound like your in denial because you are a lesser player.

You're in denial about just how simple Quake is.

you are wrong

Perfect example.

Of you being angry with your lesser skills.

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I deleted half of the Yes/No comments.

I think the "message" stays the same.

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I'm okay with this.

You are saying no to life.

Somebody's jealous.

it's a trap

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so why didn't fat back with a one frag lead? We all know that he wasn't afraid to play boring.

Fat is also bad.

oh yes.

He really was bad when he won those tournaments in Q3.
He also sucked when he beat vo0 in painkiller, or when he beat toxic in Q4. Both things, everyone could do...

Can you please come up with more unplausible arguments for everyone's entertainment?

Lost to Toxic in Q4. A player without a single record in Q3. Beat Vo0 in the finals after losing to him a dozen times. Remind me, how has Vo0 done in Q3? Oh right, not well. Going to quote victories over Zero4? You know, that guy who got slapped back into retirement because he failed at QL? The same guy who lost to Walter over and over?

Well, what are your achievements that you can fat bad, I guess you can't even match the $2000 (or whatever) from gaming he ssslapped on his father's table.

You words do nothing but show how desperately you are looking for arguments to defend your wrong opinion.

Actually, I've won quite a bit in local LAN tourneys. I've participated in DFWFrag numerous times, and I was offered full sponsorship by TPi to play Quake 4 when it first came out.

The common sense that I have which enabled me to turn down such an offer is the same one that helps me to educate you on employing the proper strategy in Quake.

ahaha, you see the common sense that get payed to play quake isn't a good career choice as some kind of achievement then enables to do anything? Hilarious.

I won a local rtcw lan, yet never even indulged in the plan to play for money. I guess that enables me to teach you even more? This is too funny :D

If you'd like to teach me about RTCW, sure. We're talking about Quake right now, so try to keep on topic.

No, you are trying to establish some sort of superiority, because you made a decision 95% of all people would have made.

The fact that no other players, with much more experience in quake seem to share your opinion about the "optimal strategy" really does tell me something, though.
Having seen players being surprised when playing +back in games countless times, which in your case would lead to a tie and possibly control of the opponent, tells me another.

I'm trying to explain to you that the choice to play in a tournament has absolutely nothing to do with one's knowledge of the finer details of the game. The fact that these players do waste their time in these tournaments just shows you how suspect their opinions and decisions are.

It's kinda like when you try to have a discussion. You have a lot of problems reading and understanding the language, but it doesn't stop you from trying to participate. Sadly, participation has nothing to do with knowledge.

Of course the choice has nothing to with it.

However, the ability to beat all others does hint that they do have a finer understanding than someone who one a few local lans.

Even more importantly, the decision to stop playing a game, gives no information at all about someones understanding. Sorry, to disappoint you there.

The decision was to NOT play the game as a job. It wasn't to stop playing the game.

whatever, the point is the same.
And you know it, which is way you went to your usual last resort "You have trouble understanding the language".
It's quite interesting, that there only two people who repeatedly say that about me: You and tourist.

And always when I happen to disagree with you.

I'm glad that you can read between the lines and still be wrong at the same time.

your trolling isn't even remotely funny anymore. :( it's a shame

Trolling isn't supposed to be funny.

wow!
good try at defending your sick idea of optimal vq3 strategy there dude.
but you gotta know when to give up and not lose more face than try to save face and look even stupider.

stupider

You were saying?

:S
so one mistake cancels all your stupidity?

Your stupidity cancels your opinion.

going by the same logic, shudn't your stupidity cancels yours?
and since the magnitude is much greater, your opinion should be forever banned from any public forums.

Even IF I had been displaying stupidity (which I didn't), you wouldn't know. Keep trying to tell yourself that VQ3 is rocket science.

lol no it isn't.
but u had been displaying stupidity (which you were :P)

Keep telling yourself that. While it won't actually change reality, it might make you feel better!

again your stupidity cancels your opinion, but oddly enough, that did make me feel better.
thanks

You're a prime candidate for Christianity!

so did if22, didnt he beat cooller on t4 @ wcg in overtime with like 3:2 ?

anyways, i think he tried so desperatly to defend 1-2 frags for 15mins xD

isn't 2-3 more than 1 frag?

You're getting funnier and funnier.

Slightly off topic: I would love to see another pk style tour or a league tour for ql. The skill level of that game got pushed sky high in such a short space.

Maybe in a while though, when they iron the game out a bit. Plus a decent prize structure.

If ESL continue the way they are it will eventually grow, they are doing a good job, and I think that atleast it's sustainable.

1. duel 2. ctf 3. tdm

i'd watch tdm if there was nothing else, but i'm not a big fan of it at all.

23% ctf? PFFFFF

ALL for the love of quake :D

1. tdm
2. tdm
3. tdm

ctf over tdm any day.

cl0ck, viju, czm, link1n, thefou to name a few.

tdm is all about camping and makes for boring games in general.

Why is there always so much stupid whenever and wherever you post?

He even named TDM players :(

they make for interesting games. czm is the only one who wasn't mainly a ctf player.

thefou was an EC TDM player long before CTF.

it's whatever you make it out to be.

But of course, it's really stupid other people have their own opinion. It really sucks.

only duel tbh. CTF haven't been fun to watch since '05 or something..

true story, ctf would only be watchable if it were aAa, cloud9 or clan519 playing... at quakecon ^__^

the current situation is fucked up anyway, the top teams for ctf and tdm are teams that cant be arsed to even train or play for fun but just win because of the individual skill of players. i know that the crappy support of tdm is part of the reason for this, but it still sucks and makes it kinda uninteresting to follow.

TDM ofcourse, ctf is extremly boring to watch and play nowadays, most fun to spec would be nationscup

2v2?

TDM (4 players) bored me because there are too many players for the maps, with 2v2 its almost like a variation on duel.

That's as close as I like to get, Deuce is fun tio spec with CTF also.

yea 2v2 ftw, my list would be ~

1) Duel
2) 2v2
3) TDM

In duel I can watch almost any skilllevel and be entertained.
In 2v2 id watch averege and highend games.
And in tdm I would most likely only watch the most highend games.
CTf I would not touch unless its the finals in something (maybe).

This question is,,, for right now: DUEL but...

quake is all about the nature of humans to compete, prestige,,,

id rather watch an 30.000 dollarz ffa or ctf competition than an 5.000 dollarz duel competition.... its an example, not all of my point is about the money involved.

its more a matter of where the mode stands, if its exciting to watch or not.

given all modes have equal tourneys, community etc i couldnt really tell if id pick up ctf, tdm or duel,,,, maybe tdm first because i had the best days in quake when eurocup lan finals where the place to be :P

Duel and CTF.

For me, TDM is completely uninteresting. If one team runs away with a decent lead of 20 frags, you know it's going to be difficult for the losing team to come back. In CTF, 1 cap is about 10-15 seconds worth, essentially just one mistake. TDM is only fun to watch when teams are of very equal skill, so that the gap never goes beyond 10 frags. But games like that are exceedingly rare. And even then, TDM is interesting in the final minutes, where one team has to secure a load, CTF's interesting moments are whenever one team grabs a flag with a decent stack.

I also dislike that TDM is a lot more about personal skill than teamplay. We also have a mode that's about personal skill, it's called duel.

CTF / TDM for me, I do watch duels every now and then, only for major tournaments.

TDM right now is fairly boring, most of the teams don't really practise TDM and it's mostly completely random.
CTF I find fun to watch anyway, EG vs fnatic were great games at quakecon, would love to see more regular matches.

Personaly ,i enjoy watching movies ,

TDM-CTF-DUEL is getting boring with 15 max maps been played all the time. Give us more maps and the interest about watching quake live will come again.

i will vote ctf later..
we need a couple of new good teams tho.