Some really awesome moments in these games, lots of brain from both sides and spectacular shots.

Some really awesome moments in these games, lots of brain rushing from both sides and spectacular shots.

that t4 has some really amazing stuff from both. the rocket at 9:00 was the best.

that t4 game is one of the best t4 games I have seen so far, enormous amount of skill in display, question's rocket felt stronger.

30 ms for rocket is good, but 50 is not :)

Does that ping difference makes ANY difference with CPMA? I don't think so, the same way as it doesn't with LG or Rail for example. But if it does please (anyone) explain and enlighten me.

BTW question's rockets WERE stronger (much better placed)

question played the better game simple as that

and of course the ping has an effect, you can still use lg rg and mg pretty damn well though, rockets become much more of a problem though

but why? I don't understand that, since with CPMA's netcode there's "no lag", I mean, no matter if your ping is 10 or 100, when you press the fire button the rocket goes immediately...

not exactly with the rocket launcher or plasma in that case. still 20 ping difference is not much with cpma netcode.

No lag only on hitscan, RL is not hitscan :) ie it's still heavily influenced by ping

Influenced HOW? what's the difference?

Because I've seen people with high ping (80/100/150) shoot (and hit) rockets as they were on lan... (which is the same thing that happens to hitscan weapons, shoot them as you were on lan)

Sure when you spec other people you don't see their delay...If you honestly can't notice the difference yourself then I'm not quite sure how else to explain it.

Start up your q3 and fire some rockets, then connect to a random server where your ping is 100 or more, if you can't notice the difference by then, I can't help you.

all right, I played on a server with 250+ ping. and well, it was horrible because it takes 250ms to SEE the rocket you fired, as well as lg, rail, any other weapon. And other bad things happen with this enormous ping, HOWEVER, I managed to hit a lot of rockets (not spam ones) as I were with much lower ping or lan (and that is my main point), which is still very good as with 250 ping with baseq3 or osp I probably woudn't hit anything.

It's obvious that, even so, it's not really possible to play with that ping, especially on hub (portals "lag" too)...
However, stating (as one did above) that 30 ms is good for rockets but 50 is not (or whatever the number is, as long as the difference between then is 20) and that THIS was the reason why question's rockets were better is to push the bar too much for the "ping side" instead of the "skill" one. That could be correct if it was OSP for example, but not CPMA.

lol try it on a 150 ping server and be surprised

superpissed*

lol no, 100 is lot of delay

rail/lg/mg (ie hitscan weapons) have lag compensation. non-hitscan (rl/gl/pg) do not and are total shit in cpma with >30 ping. consider yourself enlightened.

no, they are not

no u

Got any evidence of that?

in some other thread ix and other dev team member said it. cba to look for it. besides if you can't feel it then your brain has inbuilt lag.

Just asking

awesomeness

gg but 66 ping vs 33 ping ?

lies ITS CPMA ALL XERP CG_NUDGE ShADaW In tHe daRk

no ping only skill

haha
some trashtalk by cypher in the end
i hope cypher gonna won coz then russians gonna talk again ru>world (C)Guard - wtf

You should replace babel fish.

i believe he writes it in proper english, translates it with babelfish/google to russian and then back to english. (maybe even with some in between stops in other languages)

I loved you, and a trace of that love's passion
Unquenched within my soul may yet remain;
But all I seek is not in any fashion
To sadden you or bring you further pain,
I loved in silence, hopelessly, but dearly,
Now shyly; now with jealousy aflame;
I loved you, O so fondly, so sincerely -
God grant to you another's love the same.

weird.. you are

you used the reply button!!!

all you need is...ping :P

what were cyphers last words?

he said -
gg samiy tupoy iz lamz - that meant - GG the most stupid from LAmz clan...

only game really worth watching is pt4, which is REALLY worth watching. at least 2 rocketfrags worthy of .avi

Not to mention it was a frag by frag game...

But ZTN was very nice too, both players making impressive shots / plays. Especially that one when it looked like Cypher would get the RA easily, but then Question goes through the portal, rushes and moving pretty fast DENIES him with an impressive rail shot, with Cypher at the end of the jump for the RA already...

i disliked ztn because of all the "mindless" rushing i guess... not to say pt4 didn't have some of that, just didn't look as misplaced.

question GG

yeah its cpma but still 70-80 vs 30 ping. not 50 30 but 75 30 average.

why is it called grand final in the main post when its only the winner bracket final?

people tend to do mistakes i guess, eh? ... but that will never happen again in a brave new world!

didn't look like cypher was playing very well

ztn and t4 matches brings back memories

Why is this guy not going to any lan tourneys :o

he was at eswc russia and didnt make it top3 and he also attended some asus cups, dont think he ever managed top3 there either.

yes he did. he played very wel on ASUS Summer 2007, where he made the final and lost to nobap. There are few demos of it on cyberfight. A mappack of the Spring 2007 event: click

cypher looked a bit unlucky on ztn and couldnt really read questions play, cbf watching dm9, but pt4 looked more close but ping made the difference on pt4 i guess

Cypher lost his cool in the early stages of the match... Watching Cypher do pointless rushing is really boring.

watch cypher do his rushes vs czm in the second group stage =]

Man, I guess Cypher got out-thunk on this ztn. Questions LG was laughably bad. LG hit beeps were few and far between on a lot of his tracks. Or maybe Cypher just having a bad day?

online and (more or less) russian vs russian ztn, nothing new here. ;p