Why not add champions while you're at it? ;)

https://esreality.com/post/2969833/blood-run-...ake-3-mod/

Jokes aside, there are Q3-based engines with pretty modern-looking graphics, typically used by some mods, but nothing stands in the way of updating original maps.

Problem is - to get any kind of player base, it would have to be released by Microsoft. And why would they make a Q3 re-release? Q1/2 made sense, with single player campaigns and new expansion packs (both were really good remasters!). Q3 doesn't make sense financially. Not as a remaster, not as a remake.

All we can hope for is a new single-player Quake (with obligatory stamina, autoheal, reloading, 17 buttons for different actions and all that console shit), that would get a completely separate multiplayer mode with different physics (what Q4 ended up with).

Ok so, i'll get you up to date on what happened in the last 6 years that you spent in cryogenic sleep: id software did exactly that.

They even went as far as copying overwatch style of champions. They put customizable weapons and skins in it, an in-game stream browser, they even funded a tournament with 1 million dollars cash prize! 1 million, dude!


But yeah, nobody gave a fuck.

Turns out modern audiences don't like frenetic arena gameplay in small cramped levels.

Quake 3 was popular because at the time there were like, 3 multiplayer games.

Now that playerbase is spread among mobas, overwatch, rocket league, call of duty and such.

It's over. It's not coming back.

Truth hurts.

:(

it's not just quake that's not coming back. any vision of a fps game that doesn't kill with just a few headshots or bodyshots and requires a lot of dps and tracking, and has some kind of fast movement system to it, will fail. that's why i don't understand why so many people train those lg tracking scenarios on kovaak aim trainer. you'll never get a chance to use it. besides, halo and apex already have aim assist, so there's no need to train it, just switch to gamepad.

im already seeing it happen in slow motion with tribes 3: rivals. people have so much hype for a game that will die on arrival.

I seen recently an interesting youtube video one guy debating why did pubg die (well sort of). The conclusion was that the introduction of small maps who gave players more action or shootings/minute. Once the elitism of players grew, in order for medium skilled players to keep up with the competition they had to play small maps with frantic action to be able to develop faster their aiming and the mechanics of the game, else they would remain behind. This in turn put players who loved more slow paced action to disadvantage because when they would face guys trained on small maps they would get stomped by aim and skill alone. Final point was that with introduction of maps oriented toward more and more faster action, the game became almost undistinguishable from call of duty franchises.

Now I don't know if his point was 100% legit. Because I have the suspicion that most players would have prefer faster pace action (through faster maps) anyway, regardless the necessity to progress their skills accordingly. And this send me to another streamer complaining that one of the bad things of The Day Before was that someone made 5 frags in 40 minutes. Which made me think that ppl still love fast paced action. Which I don't condone although I can call myself mainly a quake player, because with the exception of quake games, I prefer slow paced games (I even did back in 2002 or smth a mission in Operation Flashpoint which took me a few hours during which I only had one or two kills, and I enjoyed it).

So do players hate tracking? Maybe. But fast paced action they still love I guess. Maybe quake can find a compromise -other than the one done by Hugo Martin with his crappy forced combos idea, which I absolutely hate. In this regard Doom3 was very good imo, because on top of kind of standard game they game the option for players to interrupt the cycle with well placed shotgun shots so you could counter-balance tracking players, plus the option to shoot the lights for ambush, programmable items and so on -unfortunately D3 felt short with other problems

I clicked plus on accident.

PUBG failed because it was never a finished game and the devs were only in for the money grab as usual

don't worry I wont get upset for your mistake

quake3 graphics is as old as 1998

when I say quake3 remake I mean the exact same gameplay but with improved graphics and no additional garbage like in QC, maybe fine tunes. Unreal Tournament succeeded sort of -for a short period of time, or from time to time so to say to get people's attention, thanks to their ever renewed engine -but UT's main problem was that the gameplay was inferior I guess even to older UT versions.

I realize that quake3 gameplay is too elitist for beginners but with ever improved graphics and small ideas I think that it can become 'great again' :p

ie to give variation to my games I decide before facing the enemy things like this - I will use just 2 RL shots then 3 rails and after empty my 50 plasmagun ammo, then next 4 minutes only shotgun. stuff like this at fun level can make the game more interesting, especially if the game would implement stuff like this, not me having to chose before

or having ammo for your last pickup decreasing with 1 percent every second


maybe there were less shooters back in the day but people were already spread between starcraft players, quake players, doom players, AoE players and those who preferred SP games
I also met very often on the Internet the idea that somehow once dota and wow appeared many fps players joined, which at personal level I can say it is not true. In the sense that players who liked strategy moved to strategy games, those who loved call of duty genre moved to newer cod games, diablo1 fans moved to diablo3/4 poe and so on. Not just talking about me but about most old gamers that I know.
Sure I know some who play dota and wow but these were never avid fps players either but played back in the day from time to time one doom2 dm match here, one quake match there. Maybe around spending 20 hours/year back then.

while some portion of the population moved to newer games because diversity, I think that the main cause is that the best older ones which in most part are still better than newer ones either went too far from the good solid original concept, or just did not evolve at all, maybe one unimportant patch each 5 years

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there is also the modern corrupted mentality that if the game does not succeed to attrack 100,000 players at once on their servers and make 2 Billion dollars, then it is not worth developing
while we tend to forget that these multimillion or billion companies of today made their first games back in the 90s mostly out of passion and not thinking about big money

It'd die even faster.

Let's be honest, majority of the players that played QC loved the champions and ability part.

Yes, that includes the majority of "veteran" quake players as well. Beause quakers like to larp as elitist chess players, in actual reality they're dumber and lazier than the average call of duty player.

And every single shitty addition to the gameplay has been not only embraced but even celebrated by 80% of players.

A barebone quake 3 gameplay with 2024 graphics would be loved by a grand total of 400 people if that.

Quake players should just accept that the lineage of this genre goes something like: Q1, QW, QWTF, Q2, Q3, CPMA, Q4, PK, TF2, OW, OW2. The genre continued to evolve and became something else, the ones that stayed behind were simply left behind.

If only they can hear my favorite song on 10 000 euro speakers in FLAC, surely everyone will love it.

If we just change the ball color, only then will my favorite sport be validated.

Haha :D Totally oblivious that the franchise has gone stale and offers very little interesting unless you grind it out endlessly to learn some niche mechanics. The stock game is, was, and will forever remain, boring as fuck.

And oblivious that the conflation of graphics with gameplay is the very reason for it. GFX nerds are the audiophiles of PC, they seek games to play hardware on in order to chase some imperceptible to the eye differences. They need to be shamed out of gaming before it can improve.

You can have great gameplay and great graphics, it doesn't need to be either/or scenario. In fact, great graphics is an important aspect of sound game (not just gameplay) design that has sadly suffered.

Yes, you can have both if you have game designers and graphical artists. Evidently though, those don't exist, because the games are all bland unimaginative remakes/copies, but boy do those polygon and pixel counts keep going up. It's like wondering why the music is shit when the "artist" just sold you car alarm sounds, but hey it's 123456789 bit, so just get audiocard X and wait for car alarms the sequel, with more bits!

I look at better graphics more like from the point of view of hardware enthusiast and developer as well -since I made many maps for Doom3/Q4, quake3 and so on. At one point I successfully used a texture of 20,000x20,000 for a door in Doom3 and looked ultra realistic, I used a pic of an old navy ship door that I found on the net.
Unfortunately the game did deplete almost all of his memory for the textures se it could not load all the rest.

That's what I'm saying, I look at them as a gamer and they are useless at best, detrimental at worst. Those 20 000 px textures are the last thing to make a difference in a map.

Doom3 actually needed a better graphics quality in my opinion, if to face the competition -HL2 at the time.

I know that the technology it used at the time was advanced, but it was rudimentarily implemented. Ie it took the devs another year to implement soft shadows, to remove the brute shadow edges from the original, and shaders support was limited, which in turn made metal walls look like matte materials all, some called them plastic walls. In this respect quake3 was superior, bc they worked extensively on shaders -a good example of metal shader can be seen on standard t4 -not pro-t4 -which use a huge central block to which the game applied metal shader -they removed that texture in pro-t4 because it was causing frame drops. They used real time lights, yes, but the technology was not refined enough or it was limited by the hardware, and the end result was anyway quite bad imo.

Different engines.

If you exported a doom 3 map into HL2 engine it would not come close to the quality of doom 3 variant because the engine was heavily designed around small, tight, rooms with a lot of focus on atmosphere, lighting, real-time shadows and metallic surfaces.

And kinda vice versa.

HL2 was designed to be a more complete engine focusing on real world materials and textures and terrain (physics) and probably had a team many times bigger working on it.

D3 was unlike nothing else anyone has seen when it came out for atmosphere and graphics bumps, specs, shadows.

It was very good for what it did at the time it did it. But very limited in style and atmosphere. Pretty sure the doom 3 franchise was successful in terms of sales across all formats, certainly several million copies at least.

But ultimately doom 3 and rage engines were not able to compete with how more dev studios made games and it cost them.

>upgrade visuals
>old quake nerds return for a little while to nostalgia
>picmip 16
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the textures really suck for quake 3. it's the one game of the franchise that you can't mod to look decent. you either get those upscaled hard 4k texture packs that make everything look bad, or you use the default settings and it's also bad, so you have to use picmip instead.

So youre going for the 80iq troll act instead of the retard routine, quite subtle really...

drop the bitch routine, you're not special. i have zero time for esr trolls. blocked.

Please don't kill yourself after trump wins.

Who, me? Trump was the best US president of the last 20 years. Anyway I am not American so don't have too much saying.

the q3 remake is gonna happen and it will be shit

the only hope for a successfull quake is a new game on the inhouse idtech engine


but it needs to have a interesting singleplayer storymode attached to it, so that it can lure in new players..


u hype em up by releasing a teaser trailer of some grim story, u show some cool gameplay..

and then when people buy it - they finish the story, at that point they are somwhat familiar with the mechanics, so they are like "aight lemme try the online mode"


important thing is: in multiplayer there are no abilities, everybody has the same hitbox + movement (preferably q3)



game needs to be crisp and perfected at release, no early access/beta bullshit


no f2p nonsense

im already seeing it happen in slow motion with tribes 3: rivals. people have so much hype for a game that will die on arrival.

decided to import q3dm6 campground into UE 5 and see what i could do. Not really finished yet, but i figured i'd share some progress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAP8E8IG5OE&t=44s

Nice, although I'm not a fan of the bloom in contrast with the dark environment. Maybe it's years of watching high picmip quake.