:)

anyone of our australian friends able to give us some info about demo recording support ?

Wanted to ask the same! Anyone?

Demo recording is supported.


Some info from "First Retail Q4 Pictures!" comments:
recordNetdemo
stopNetdemo

Those are the commands for recording a demo.
Demo size is almost the same as Q3 (possibly very slightly larger)

good to hear that q4 does not have the "1 minute demo - 40 gb hdd space gone" feature of d3 ;-)

as far as i know it is possible to use recorddemo (5mins 611mb) and recordNetDemo (about as q3), the later having the disadvantage that you cant record netdemos if you arent playing on an online server. at least thats what some german webpage told me.

Demo recording is included and a 15 minute match came in about the 4 megabyte mark.

Maybe some yankees* want to haul ass down walmart and give us more!

It would be nice to see complete run throughs and some rocket jumps etc.

Oh dear @ humping it up the crates - did they never even watch a demo of someone like shub in q2? As this game is gonna get a lot of attention next year and as the multiplayer is separate from the single, whats the chances of them listening to whinges and adjusting the physics slightly in a point release to at least allow basic stuff like double jumping? Little things add a lot to the game imo...

Nailgun wall climbing = the bolox tho :) Gonna need to make yer own makeshift ladders everywhere by the looks of it cos the guy jumps like my grandad and his bad hip :(

I guess the physics arent as 'buggy' as they used to be.

Double jumps weren't a bug.

they were - just a beneficial one

The story I heard it is that Zoid added them deliberately. They might have been a bug initially but I think id released it knowing what it did. It came in one of the patches I think.

as far as i remember id software confirmed in an interview that it was just a bug, nothing more. they even were about to remove it.

Yeah, I think when q2 was released, most people didnt have sufficient fps to do it anyway, so I seriously doubt it was intentional. AFAIK it was a bug, one I'm sure could be legitimately recreated if we all shouted at Raven and iD enough tho, especially with the fixed gametics this time round, we would ALL be able to do it regardless of PC speed :)

Added a whole new dimension to play imo, there was a skill and an artform in just moving around the map quickly and smoothly and tooling up, it wasnt just about the aiming. Sadly quake seems to get "dumbed down" every generation and these little cool tricks disappear :(

They actualy did remove the jumping 'bug' in a q1 patch... it was obliderated by the online scene which never played with the patch because it removed it.
They even had to write a 'unpatch' for the patched game! :p
At least that's what I heard anyways :p
And nowadays the 'bug' is one of the main features to set quake appart of other fps games, and one of the most fun ones :p

wasn't that like 1.25 with q3?

I'd wager ix is right.

self.velocity_z = self.velocity_z + 270

is basically what causes ramp jumping in Q1/2, and with the addition of airstep, doublejumping in Q2. They quite obviously intended it, else they would have just gone with the much simpler

self.velocity_z = 270

for the jump physics, which doesn't cause ramp/doublejumping (like Q3).

damn i want the game!:)

I admire where you put your '.

Haha.

A classic hyper-correction. :P

someone called the spelling police! :)

or... just go to the original thread:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=907964

where the original poster posted those 3 and another additional vid : p


" Hey Guys,

Im eoc.bad (the first real quake 4 clan ever, how many clans can say that? :P), the fella who posted the videos. Just letting you know I have done up 2 more videos for those who are interested

Single Player (new)
http://bad.qgl.org/video/eoc.bad_q4singleplayer.avi
Levitation Mirror

Arena CTF (new)
http://bad.qgl.org/video/eoc.bad_q4arenactf.avi
Levitation Mirror

CTF
http://bad.qgl.org/video/eoc.bad_q4ctf.avi

DM - q2dm1 remake
http://bad.qgl.org/video/eoc.bad_q2dm1_run.avi

Enjoy!"

This one has 1vs1 Battle. >:@

ah i take it back.. in that case it makes 5 vids ; )

Very very nice, I can't wait to get my copy. :D

it looks pretty dam cool.. all the local stores here say not till Wednesday!.. so stupid

raged roger @ planetquake4 dot net ; >

mine wont be here till friday : ((( unless the store mess's up and accidently sends it a day early like some of the aus's...

if it gets warez'd before then i will end up getting it to last me over till friday : x

Lol, you sound like such a junkie :)
me too!

im just uber bored at work, and the anticipation is now startin to get to me : )

was fine before people had it already and was playing it!

which one has nice movement?

Damn it's not workin for me :O, the 1v1 video that is.

Right click save as... and wait untill theres a space then it will work :) just takes a few mins

Use VLC for it, for some reason ffdshow doesn't like it even though it's the same DIV3 as the others :0

meant the dl ;) but thx anyways

What I really want to know from ppl who already have to game is:

Is there lag with the railgun?!

maybe some experienced play can "feel" that.

servers seem to be overloaded.

*edit* atleast 30kb/s yeh \o/

how boring does q4 look!!!!!!!!!!!!

i completly agree :(

omg wtf error!
Edit: other links work ok
Edit2: no they arent...the 1v1 vid stopped at 40mb now they wont restart d/ling at all

my 1v1 borked about like 57mb

seriously, i was expecting more of quake4 ;(

Yea, so was I.. the maps and all seemed pretty good at a first look. But now i serously start to doubt that, it looks more like doom3 than quake. I mean - slow rocket, stupid sounds, tight/boring looking maps when you see them in the videos etc etc.

exactly what i was thinking. i just organized a small 4 days 'bootcamp' to get to know quake4 a bit more :)

do you have the game? (you mentioned videos.)

then go play ut2k4 sebi :p

I think it looks good considering, it will take some modifications to shine but so did Quake 3.

i wanted to see this :( Dird got any more links?

disappointing

thought it look promising...patches will change to game for the better as it did with q3.

i think it looks really amazing...
looks alot like quake2 in terms of rocket speed etc, just with a new gfx engine.
cant wait to play this, patches / community will make this great

i was moaning about q3 when it was released, and hated it, but i learned that i was wrong and biased, i wont do that mistake again :)

I cant see that it looks like q2. Movement is so different, no dubble jumps, no big strafe jumps, no circle jumps etc. But perhaps its just the pov that sucks. We will find out soon enough =)

How much $$$ do you want to pick up Q4? :D
Jokes, hope it'll be good enough to have you jump aboard :)

We all hope that the game will be "good enough" I belive =)

yeah right, i just mean in terms of rocket speed and overall speed...
you know what quake2 had out of the box ?
no strafe jumping, no circle jumping, that was introduced with version 3.14 month later

I know... But they should learn from the past and not do the same misstakes again? =) Lets hope the game is playable anyway..

huh? no double jumps? i thought i saw some videos at quakecon that showed double jumping.


and regardless double jumps or not wouldn't make or break ANY game. They are just added touches. what's important here is gameplay and speed/fun factor

jesus christ i wanted to cry watching those guys play :(

he is proper living up to his name thats for sure, and no amount of 'picmip tweaking' can help that rocket guy :|

actual game looks pretty sweet tho, but double jumps would indeed have been nice.

i dont think u can say for sure that it isnt in the game

from what i could see the guy just couldnt do it :p

Would he suck so hard that he couldn't even make it (the doublejump) after trying 10 times? =p

for the rest, i'm slightly dissapointed too, but I'm still not making any conclusions until I played it myself.

it's realy nice to see these ppl play the game... but it just only frustrates me that I still don't have it! :p

Posted a journal entry with my recap of quake4, I'd make it a column or something but whatever..Ive got work tomorrow :l

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=908874

Faid income mate :) gg.

tx man, nice & funny article

gameplay looks really doom3-ish.
not a good sign :/

Someone made an error when adding the 1v1 names to the download system. The filename has a blank space before the filename so the download fails.

Until someone fixes the problem, here's a few direct urls to download:

http://mirror.pacific.net.au/quake3files/quak..._q2dm1.avi
http://bad.qgl.org/video/eoc.bad_vs_rocket_q2dm1.avi

well that was crap :/
any game mod ppl on here can u pleaaaase make bright skins; couldnt see shit in that dark indoor place on the 1v1, youd think theyd have learned their lesson after d3 :x
that maps 1v1? O_o

get some skill

has nothing to do wit skill tard, its to do with eyesight and u cant jus get that :P

In the ctf video he picks up some good speed at 1:55 and it lasts for like 5 secs maybe. I presume that's how good players will be running through maps :)

too "bad" he didn't show us anything of value execpt for the map layout. If I was the one making the video, I would be strafe jumping around and showing some basic tricks just to let people get a clue of how the game physics works etc.

That video of bad vs. rocket is more than embarrassing. I very much doubt the words of someone who clearly is a beginner (movement, aiming) that there is no doublejump or what else not possible.

yeah well, youd look like a pro the first time you play a new game with new movement / weapons
i think its nice of them to make such a video, better than nothing

mate he would certainly look a lot better than those two. Anyone with a degree of experience would have been strafe jumping the maps doing at least basic jumps to items etc. Also the aim and weapon selections were terrible.

but like u say, i am just glad they made the effort to record it and make a movie so that us less fortunates that dont have the game yet, can get a look at it.

might be, i played quake2 since 1997 for almost five years until 2002, was in many big clans and the national team etc, still i wont say anybody is bad or a beginner at a game i have only seen in videos...

but its not about their skill here anyway as I said before, we can all "play hard, go pro" in 2 days :)

is double jumping meant to be in q4?

bad would be a though challenge for charlie

Thanks for the Levi mirror, good timing as the mirrors for the 70mb file suck!

Quake 4 stinks

Levitatoin Mirrors as you can no doubt see...

Coutesy of 240 as usual. :P

Thanks :) can always count on the levi mirrors

240 is the saviour :)
although i already d/ld them this time :d

seems..ok

them footsteps sound worse everytime 8(

yep sound really annoying tbh

the footsteps pissed me off too

thought i was the only one, they suck.

q4 is a jumping game, so if you're playing it right , u shouldnt hear it as much as in this video

i hope there are other models with q3sargejump- and runsound :>

Did i see right that you can collect items by jumping over them, actually not "touching" them? like in quakeworld
at the end of the 1o1 vid he jumps over an ammopack at stairs. dunno

it works with hitboxes, so when you jump over things you won't realy pick things up but when they touch the hitbox you will.
So think a cube around your person (a bit larger usualy) and see if the item will touch it. Your hitbox will have to touch it in order to pick it up (at least this is the way it was done in q3 so it will prolly be the way it's done in q4 cuz they left most calculus the same).

Err... no, I don't think so.
Doom 3 used a completely different kind of hitdetection, with per-pixel hitdetection (aka.: the lagfactor)
Anyway, they had to rewrite this part of the Doom 3 engine to allow for use of hitboxes rather than per-pixel hitdetection so that Quake 4 will actually be playable in multiplayer. They might have taken a few hints from the Q3 engine for this, but most of the hitbox-stuff should be new, afaik.

OMFG @ the footstep sound. Please tell me that you can turn it off. It makes the whole game feel like DOOM3.

Off with the player shadows also and the game would 'feel' great.

And again, holy mother of shit that sound is so incredible annoying.

here here!!!!

man idd, its just the same sample played over and over. bloody annoying if u ask me.

Not like the jump sounds in Q3.

just delete it ;)

That video was horrible, dunno if it was horrible because of the players or the game though... Probably both.

Can´t change fov, can´t change picmip? wtf is this? counter-strike?

Of course you'll be able to change FOv, probably G_FOV.

The technology is not the same as Q3 All you kids whining about not being able to change this and that, it's defferent this time.
Turning off the BUMP MAPS and SPECULAR and possible lowering the texture size will be as close as you'll get. But the days of picmip 5 are long gone.

youll have to type all that dodgy shit like in q3?
ffs it wouldnt kill them to make a decent settings menu like ut2k4 has with fov/mouse sens all in one place

q4 is dead :ugly:

Thanks for the movies.. Was nice to finally get a real glimpse of it.

That lack of doublejump sux. And the footstep sounds were annoying.. :)

Else it looks cool, i will def play it for a while.. We'll maybe not singleplayer, i think that is pretty mainstream.

You don't play singleplayer... what a non conformist lol

I expected those Australian guys to jump like kangaroos :S
No-one has a vid with good movement in it?

I think it has a LOT of potential. However:
- There needs to be doublejumps or some faster method of jumping up boxes.
- Rail delay between click and fire needs to me removed
- A few sound changes
- More bouncyness when being hit by rockets

Something like OSP could fix all this and more, we just gotta be patient.

agree with you on everything except for the rail delay, i wish q3's rail would have had one

rail delay is the best thing on q4 to me too. q3 rail accuracy was at 60% in the end and killed the game imho because it wasnt meant to be that high. you could play only with rail like fazz did. q3 was never meant to have a dominant weapon. rail delay makes the railgun a weapon like the other and not THE weapon to grab. good news to me!

there shouldnt be a rail delay! that would be proper shit
rail wasnt even dominant in q3, cooller won qcon/czm 2nd...socrates didnt win, but he rails lots and accurately.. imo the rl was most dominant weapon

a delay would just suck

cooller was shaft only at eswc ;(

Personally I always hated the bounce you got from q1/q3 rockets splash dmg, q2 guy had balls and didnt fly around like a fairy :) I think its most annoying to be caught by a stray rocket, go bouncing up into the air and be fodder for another rocket / rail. In fact in q3 I often find Id rather be hit full in the face with a rocket than by a glancing splash as I'm far less vulnerable afterwards :) (This more applies to mods with many players spamming, not duel of course)

you´re sure you dont want to play q3 instead??

Quake 3 is slowly running out of players, we need Quake 4 to draw more players in :)

Don't look for OSP to fix gameplay problems (preferances).

OSP will never change the core gameplay so dont expect it to, but expect possibly better netcode and visual customization (brightskins, hud)

Hopefully point releases will fix any flawed gamplay aspects and add enough of customization we are used to with OSP so we won't even need it.

I dont see why OSP couldn't change minor gameplay aspects like that ? =/

thanks sharky , how much dmg does rail do?

100

Looks like a funny game.

sucks

i just watched 1 min of the 1on1 video...as someone else already mentioned: welcome to doom 3.5

i can't wait to see the first forum posts and mods that will try to turn this game into whatever game you came from.

Soooo with you on that one!

well, then where's my [+] =)

Mo-mo-mo-mo-moooonster + !

looks a bit too much like doom 3 imo :/ let's hope it doesn't play like that. :|

Looks shit, Gonna stick to my CS.

Too funny.

Somehow I am still pretty excited, even though python has counted a lot of contras about q4. Also the screenshots don't give additional hope for a possibilty q4 could turn out to be a good one.

We'll see...

looks alright cant wait to play it btw you cant really judge the game if you havent played it imo

maybe thats why they didnt release any demo-version yet :((((

More whine plz

Why do they have to add double jumping? So the edge is more playable? How about someone just makes some new maps where its not required. Q3 was fine without double jumping.

Q3 had magic fps bugs so you could jump higher, no need for double jump :) 55 77 125 fps etc, wonder if Q4 will have any interesting bugs like this.

333! \o/

yeah, in q4 in 2025 maybe

333fps in q3 allows the biggest jump gains iirc

OSP/servers cap it to 125 though

tho i meant year 2025

Looks like a toss-up between d3 and ut2x, I actually want a movie/screenie where the gfx is being tweaked out :P

btw about the footsteps, i heard they didnt have any space left on the DVD to put all the wav files on there, so they had to just stick to a single sample.

rofl, sure

can't wait for HD-DVD, uber footsteps for quake5.

q4 isnt q3, the sooner people get over it, the sooner they might start having fun (when its released).

new game folks, personally im greatful they've included not only edge (best q2 map and one of the best quake maps ever) but a good weapon set and a mini osp type affair outta the box.

i dont remember seeing raven/id ever saying q4 was gonna be q2 singleplayer with q3 v2 as multiplayer, and thank god it isnt.. it might be appealing to the q3ers whove played years and want to slam newbies or even good players who just didnt whore q3 as much, but unfortunetely nowhere near everyone (including raven/id from a financial standpoint) agree.

im semi biased as i was a q2er, but i played qw and q3 as much if not more in the case of q3.. q3 became stale to a lot of people years ago, so shockingly making a direct clone in q4 mp musn't have been top priority... quake games have been similar to each other at best, it surprises me how anyone persumed q4 was going to be any different.

dont get me wrong, i dont wanna see a crap game, but i dont wanna see q3 with the doom3 engine either like some people here want (and as i said above its quite clear why).

the double jump crying is absoloutely hilarious to me.. the only reason people are whining is purely because of Edge, and believe me id love to see it back as well, but its not game destroying like people would have you think.. edge will survive without double jumping, you might just *gasp* have to play differently or take more time to get that YA/Mega :x

in closing ill return to the first paragraph.. its a new game, any similarities are a bonus, not "what they did right" and everything NOT quake3 = "what they did wrong"..

plus you know its a new quake when people from the previous quake cry the loudest.. means they didnt make the game identical to the last thank god.

(aimed at all the whine comments in general, not just this thread btw) :)

What an irony that someone needs to be an anon to make any sense.

Next time login so I can [+] you with my uber-karma. I hate you. :(

quake3 was the worse of the quake series though and this looks like more of the same with slower weapons, slower movement & Gene Kelly footsteps

at the end of the day who, but wannabe pro-gamers, gives a shit - qw,q2 & cpma will always be here :)

Seems nice TBH :)

Quaddamage in duel!
GG!!

OMFG just paused the movie to type this shit as the footsteps are soooo anoying, sounds like a type writer, probably the worst sound effect of a boot in the history of gaming. What were they thinking.
Apart from that the game looks like it could be fun, and i have a feeling theres more to the movement than what is being shown. looks like turning or timing a jump might produce more speed, cant really say untill i play. back to the typewriter sounds..

To you all ppl complaing about physics.. read what mrks (defragger) has to say about it..
http://www.overdrivepc.com/forum/showthread.php?p=136476

thx.

can't stand the speculations/whines/crybabies, they should all stick back to q3 and don't bother playing q4... and try converting q4 to q3.. fsckoff :)

"i changed the fov to 110 and now its faster."

lolololololol

I hope the footsteps will change with the character. (if there are different ones)

most annoying footsteps ever

The rockets didn't seem to bounce your opponent up in the air like Q3?

Um the players didn't seem to have the capacity of hitting the rockets at eachothers feet more like.

quad damage is still 3x damage as well? :x

I get an error, it's showing a movieclip of Dumb and Dumber playing Quake 3 on the edge.

yeah that was painful, they obviously never played q2dm1, ever.

Although I agree that the 1v1 movie was painful to watch, I thank the guys who recorded it, uploaded it, and probably f*cked up their bandwidth just for people to have a glimpse of what the game looks like without shakycam so they could blast the players because of their lack of skill.

It's a tough job but someone's gotta do it.

Agreed.

But it still would've been more enjoyable without all the whining.

Quake 3?

Quake 3

doom3

check www.nforce.nl, not much longer for the ppl who cant wait :]

q4 avi on torrent : <

as i said b4, SLOW ASS ROCKETS, this game will suck.

ye, slower rockets automatically makes a game suck!

yeah it dose, that looked like doom3 rockets. i want fast rockets so u might do some airgibs and so on. this looks slow and boring.

watch some quake 2 demos.
Particularly watch some Thresh demos and how he uses the (slower) quake 2 rocket.

i'v seen q2 movies and noone has a impressive airgibb whit rocket.

it was mainly in reference to your "slow and boring" comment and not the airgibs bit. My point was that you can play very skillful and challenging games with a slower rocket.. you just have to alter your play slightly.
Thresh managed to switch between Q1 and Q2 rockets at PGL3 within a few hours, so should you! :)

Besides, different is not necessarily bad. Quake 2 is still my favourite of the quake series (probably because it was the first quake I played) - I'd be very interested to see professional level play of around 3 months time in Quake 4.
I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised..

if i manage to switch or not is not the point. the point is that i simply don't like when the rocket lancher is slow. i want a fast game.

Slow rockets make a game suck only as much as proper capitalization makes a person intelligent. ;)

fine u like slow rockets, i don't.

I never said I liked slow rockets.

ok then

yeah, slow rockets sux0rs

I heard a rumor that there is no bot for multiplayer, is this true?

No bot's out of the box however,
http://www.quake4world.com/index.php?title=OAK_Bot

Looks ace to me!

RL seems to be quite powerful although those weren't the most *ahem* skilled players :)

Dailyrush.dk has got some videos of several maps up on their website.

OVER THE EDGE
BLOODWORK
NO DOCTORS
THE FRAGGING YARD
THE LOST FLEET
THE ROSE
SANDSTORM

If you don't live in Denmark, Sweden or maybe Norway there's a chance you can't grab them at all, so I have a mirror here for peeps like the Levi guys or Roger1 to grab and put up somewhere else !
Thanks to Slasher from #q4.se for the files ;)

Best Frenchman on ESR for sure.

<3<3 =)

hade no problem downloading them
from croatia:)

<3 4U :D

</3 4Fraps. D:

Valid points but everyone has to remember no matter what Quake 4's faults are, its better than Doom3 and Painkiller so everyone should play it.

Hot. The slow rockets do turn me off a bit, but seeing as I've been more of a UT than a Quake player in the past, they're not something I have too much of a problem with.

Anyhow, all the big problems will be resolved by whatever becomes the main competitive mutator.

Only two hours left until I can play it myself. :)

Rockets seem mega slow.

But whatever, let's try it.

These videos were done with a program called Fraps, which basically cut bad's fps to more then half or so, that's probably why he looked like total crap

Well that depends what resolution he ran it at, and whether he ran it realtime or on a demo post-match.

It was run in real time

Owch! :<

wtf is the deal with shadows on ;FFFFF

Ok, what kind of fps does people get? How low does it drop and how mutch can you tweak? :)

Stay cool people, just wait for the OSP : > It'll really shine then :D

According to http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11855 there is no command to turn off your own footstep sound?!

Lets sell my new computer then.