As far as I know a lot of people are talking about this already and I'm sure the devs are aware of it. But a lot of champions need to get reworked when it comes to no-ability modes, which takes a lot of time and effort.

For instance champions like scalebearer, galena and DK would be useless compared to champions like Doomguy and Slash.

Saber is already inefficient when it comes to balancing and reworking champions. Taking beforementioned in account I think there's a small chance they will push this idea through, especially if there is such an emphasis on champions in 'Quake Champions'.

I think there should be a halfway measure when it comes to changing or removing the abilities. I think making abilities semi-active would be better, since this still takes skill and mechanics in account.

Some ideas:

Duel:
Keep all the passive abilities, add a global timeshard that recharges all abilities on pickup. 1 (or more) minute cooldown.

Doomguy: Ability button is a single punch that regs at point blank distance. No 5 sec speedboost, no heroic leap. 1 use only, 100 dmg, weapons disabled a second or second and a half after usage so it becomes a good risky finishing move with style. Punch somebody from behind = give drowsy animation to opponent.

Scalebearer: Make him able to a quick 1 second dash with collision dmg, 10 second cooldown, 3 uses. He's big and easily hittable, but he can dash into you and deal massive amounts of dmg.

Clutch: you get 3 uses of shield, 5 second cooldown. The shield is up for only half a second making you able to block a single rocket or railshot by timing it accordingly or making your opponent dmg himself from pointblank. When shield is up, you cannot shoot back.

Ranger: Is actually pretty good as it is now, but making the orb not telefrag people and instead stun/freeze for a second when you direct someone with would make it more skillbased and less instagibby (abilities shouldn't instagib). 1 use only, use it wisely.

Visor: Wallhack gauge/meter. 6 second wallhack in total. Every time you press the ability button you get 2 seconds of info, 10 second cooldown. Meter only recharges if you kill with a pummel kill or a 'controller' kill or any other hard to get frag.

Nyx: Silent footsteps while running/jumping for 2-3 seconds. 2-3 times usage, 30 sec cooldown. Or make her be a 2 second hologram, so you can fool your opponent and get to safety/ or push while opponent is confused

Deathknight: 4,5 seconds of total sword usage, every time you press ability you will lose 1,5 second on the gauge, even if you just hold it up for half a second. Sword deflects projectiles and any other type of damage in the same trajectory in which it was fired at you. Doubletapping the ability makes you either lay down a mat of fire or put someone in flames for 5 second(projectile). When using doubletap meter goes down to 0. Deflection, 5 second cooldown.

Keel: 'Reloading' 3 uses. Adds 50/5 ammo to the gun you're currently holding. 10 second cooldown. Doubletap ability button turns the mounted shoulder nade system into a q3 style nade launcher with 5 ammo (trajectory). 1 use only. Let him also heal up 5-10 hp per ammo box.

BJ: 3 shorter bursts of dual wield 1-2 sec max 30 sec recharge, doubletap = throw hand grenade (3 nades). Hold after doubletapping to cook grenade before throwing (3 sec max cook time, will explode in your face if you mistime)

Sorlag: Acid spit becomes slimy goo, reduces movement and or firing speed on the ground where it's spat on, keep the visual blurring and DOT, but remove the initial dmg. 2 uses, 30 sec cooldown.

Galena: Totem idea is fine, remove the proximity damage. Give a visual queue on the hud (totem 1, 2 ,3) if someone was in the vicinity of it. Every 100 hp healed by bubbles only recharges 1 totem. 3 uses only.


These are just ideas that came out of the top of my head without really thinking everything through, but add depth to the gameplay and can create interesting situations (spectator friendly). While still being way more skillbased than what we have currently. I forgot a champion or two, but anything can be creatively worked out if they allow some of the current pro's in the decisionmaking and throw the current fire-and-forget ability concept out of the window.

I sincerely hope they do, it would make the game more fun for the current 2 or 3 thousand players because most of these people are now over the novelty process and the ones who just don't like the concept got weeded out long time ago. A fraction might come back, a portion might be lost, but I'm sure the majority would like a more skillbased game that's less randomized.

I find it amazing that you put any time into this mess of a game. What if you just quit it and all the worries are gone in an instant. Look at dre, I have no wrinkle because of quake champions.

The champion balance right now is the best it has ever been, but abilities in general feel too strong. Obviously, a ton of re-work isn't in the cards so something small like any of the below would be welcome:

a) time shards only giving a 5% ability cooldown reduction
b) +5/+10 seconds across the board for all champions to use their ability is more reasonable
c) not starting with your active ability off spawn (or maybe half the cooldown is used).

Because of how critical single frags are in duel, I think abilities will always feel very strong and therefore "cheesy" or feel "random". Please, join me in encouraging team modes to be the central focus of Quake Champions!

They are not going to change this, it was intentional to give lesser players a chance of breaking control without the years of experience needed to do so.

If you devolve the game play then even a retard can draw a game of tic tac toe vs the best chess player in the world.

Its not that extreme, but the principle is there in this quake more than any other version and its here to stay.

what about a 3rd item for abilities that pops up every 1 minute from the time it's grabbed for duel?

I agree with what u say about abilities and balance and had the same thoughts.

I don't agree about team modes, but that is my personal opinion. Duel is one of the main reasons why many of us play QC and why we played the previous quakes. It is also what we like watching the most, if not only. Of course, we are just a group of ppl, big or small, I don't know, but I can't agree to any demotion of duel.

Also, for me the main problem of the duel in QC is the duration. I don't mind the extra randomness. I might be unlucky in one game and lucky in the next. But losing a game after 20+ mins, because of luck, is much worse than losing it lets say after 10mins. WIth a smaller duration, you can play more games and even out luck much quicker. Smaller game duration has many other benefits too, like for tournament schedule and for our own daily schedules, where we can fit more games in a given time space.

wait.. that doesn't seem right, let me fix that.. team modes are the main reasons why many of us play QC and why we played the previous quakes. It is also what we like watching the most, if not only. Of course, we are just a group of ppl, big or small, I don't know..

But yeah like you said it's a personal opinion and everyone has his own preference.
I just think that it's easier to grow a community when you already have players playing together in clans. Team mates can also encourage each other to play more and can carry someone that has a bad day so that their games are still enjoyable :)

I didn't bother to go into a debate of what is best, because it has been debated to death.

I just said that personally can't agree for obvious reasons. There plenty of arguments for both sides in many other threads. The ones supporting duel seem more logical and true to me, but it is subjective.

you should've pushed for team modes to be the focus earlier. now it's too late. id has brought duel to you because you asked for it. you said how cool it was. now you enjoy the game you've helped make. it was made for you. :>


* you = pro scene & csgo pros that played the game for 10 mins and told tim how awesome duel is to watch

They should simply make active ability as a pick up on the map...like red armor or mega...so, you got to control it and time it properly. And remove round based duel.

This: "(or maybe half the cooldown is used)" reminded of something. What if ability recharge only went to half way or 3/4 and you needed an hourglass or two to get the full bar? That way camping doesn't get you your ability, you can potentially deny ability in duel, and nubs can still get some free recharge.

We had this system in Deus Ex MP.

As literally everyone said even before QC was in beta.... actually since there has been rumors about abilities....
Different abilities for different champions cannot lead to a balanced duel game.

Can't see results of all simplifications they made

May be they simplified about 100-200 elo points, but from high level.

Noobs still noobs

And now we only suffer with this

lol

lolqc

lolca

lolol

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It is highly unlikely that they would disable active abilities for ranked or casual modes. After all, abilities are the main part of QC.

But it wouldn't be too far fetched for leagues to have a comp mode without active abilities. Any ability that can intentionally or by luck negate (or kill) a fully stacked opponent by one shot is OP and would have been disabled for competition in the past.

community has a chance to balance this game in many ways and do so much more, while making zero profit. if only ID/Bethesda could invent modding support.

Tim can invent it!

Add strafing to new Doom.
Throw this game in a dumpster.

As long as we can throw you in as well I'm all up for it.

you couldn't throw a baseball 10 ft.

I don't throw fat people like a baseball anyway. For you I'd probably need a crane.

Are you a chubby chaser?

I said throw not fuck.

You couldn't push an empty grocery cart.

Not if you are in it.

Wouldn't be empty...idiot.

empty from grocery but full of gross fatty

Not only I can push a grocery cart, I can also lift it in the air and smash it on your head.

Nobody believes this.

You coming to Dreamhack? I can show you the trick.

No, but i'm living in your head rent free.

chicken

right now Cooller is streaming. i watched for 30 seconds before feeling sick to my stomach. something is very wrong with a game if i don't want to watch Cooller play it.

Remove time shards, have ability at 0 percent on spawn, and have ability only recharge by amount of damage done.

Meaning good players would get even more of an advantage and newer/lesser players would get owned even more than if there were no abilities. Might as well just not have abilities at all then.

I would like to see how that would turn out.

I tried to argue this exact idea, and also generally that abilities should be earned like everything else in the game (except starting hp and weapon, I guess) on Bethesda beta forums but most tried to fight me irl.

How about, instead of rewarding damage done, corpses dropped hourglasses? The system we had in Deus Ex MP, which had abilities through the augmentation system, was free recharge up to 25%. To get beyond that 25%, corpses dropped +25% bar refill and map had +50% (like a 50 armor) and +100% (like a mega or red) pickups.

Tayski: If you look at abilities as only a way to help nubs, then you're right. But abilities could also be used to add something new to the game while fitting in with the rest of the 'rich get richer' spirit of quake. I was always hoping they would add another layer of depth at the top level instead of taking away from it. Personally was getting a bit tired of watching ql near the end, maybe that's heresy now but everything seemed kind of figured out, was getting stale.

so you collect some proper ideas to improve qc...
Tim reads them, write them down and he will add/remove the exact opposite idea/feature or whatever just to dissatisfy quake vets cuz thats the way he's going the whole time.

So maybe we should suggest reverse ideas (reverse psychology).
eg add a 2nd and maybe a 3rd ability for every champ -> he removes abilitys :D
slow down anakin to the lowest degree possible -> no speedcap ;)
and and and

tim - there is not enough downtime between matches.

What the game should do is hard reboot your computer after every round - tim finally adds "load next map"

No Carmack No Quake

pretty much!

facebook is more quake than qc

The game would improve a lot if it had no instaggibing or practically instaggibing abilities.

You can increase the cooldowns all you want, but if a Ranger can kill you 200/200 by pressing F then the problem will always remain.

have to press f twice

the "follow trough" with the wrist is what it comes down to. the essence of emotions felt!

...it's come to the attention of a lot of people how much fun QC is without active, damage-based abilities...

--- 1.5 years later ---

...it's come to the attention of a lot of people how much fun QC is without characters of different size and movement...

--- 1.5 years later ---

...it's come to the attention of a lot of people how much fun QC is with bright skins...

--- 1.5 years later ---

...it's come to the attention of a lot of people how much fun QC is with new Q3-derived sound system...

It's sad that we need to go forward about as many years as we already went from the beginning to realize that we returned back to the place which actually already was perfection.

Just scrap this game plz. I don't think anybody will miss it.

http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/20...mangry.gif

Why are we still even thinking about this convoluted, over-commercialized dog's breakfast of a game, let alone discussing it or, God forbid, playing it?

What bugs me is all the gameplay tweaks people keep posting like anybody is going to listen or it even matters.

-nerf this
-buff this
-remove this
-add this
-make shards do this
-make cooldowns like this
-change this weapon
-add this mode
-change armor like this

None of that is going to help in the slightest to make the game any better or increase a player numbers.

Some real rational improvements (per thread title)

-Load the next map in FFA
-Learn how to divide 6 players into teams of 3
-Instant join match into warmup
-Stop dumping people into matches 3 minutes late (then kick them out so you can do it again)
-spectate

Because there's no other arena FPS to play that's not dead.

but imo its only (close to) dead because it does not:

-Load the next map in FFA
-Learn how to divide 6 players into teams of 3
-Instant join match into warmup
-Stop dumping people into matches 3 minutes late (then kick them out so you can do it again)
-spectate

QC isn't dead yet, I was talking about all the other arena fps games.

its F2P now and the numbers are going down lol.
they can't even give it away

I wonder if the player numbers will actually increase when they pay us to play. I think it will still decrease xD

And still has many more players than all the other arena FPS combined.

below 2,000 now.
will keep going down.

nobody cares about noobs who walk forward only

And QL has below 280 now and still going down.

Nobody cares about quake full stop.

The number of max daily concurrent users is lower now than just before it went free to play on August 10. So basically the free to play launch did nothing lol.

steam charts 27% loss lol
https://steamcharts.com/app/611500

It already went free to play in June and that's when it made a big difference in the number of players compared to before June. They thought repeating the same tactic in August would have the same impact again but of course it didn't. Still the game is not dead yet and probably won't be until at least next year if not longer.

Yeah, except Quake gets its only publicity for the year during Quakecon for the most part and back in August it coincided with the game going permanently free-to-play. And look what happened to the game population since then: August 8 player peak was 3,000, August 12 during Qcon peak spiked to 7,000, and now as of October 2, it is back to 3,000. Even with the game being permanently free to play, the population has been trending downward, ever since there was a mass influx of new players started, even though they gave the game away for free numerous times, on top of the free-to-play versions they had during E3 and then the permanently free version.

https://steamdb.info/app/611500/graphs/

And still the only Arena FPS alive.

How do you define "alive" ? Plenty of games still have people playing them in low numbers, but QC is the most active obv. There hasn't been a triple AAA arena FPS since UT3 in 2007, so it isn't really a surprise that the genre is nearly dead.

Different factors to take into consideration when talking about "alive" but essentially it's subjective. Usually good indicators are; number of active players, tournaments, pros playing the game, new developments and features being released, etc.

When taking those factors into consideration it's pretty much the only Arena FPS that's not dead. At least for now...

add more skinz plz. makes game gud.

getting rid of syncerror would be the first improvement.

His career is like that movie goodwill hunting.
Forum Janitor sees white whiteboard. Writes futuristic "hit detection" code.

Everyone at id software is amazed.
No one has a clue it's the janitor.

Finds some homeless hooker slag who gives him the courage to come forward.

Imagine a timeline in which Quake consists of wallhacks, Invulnerability, aimbots, claymores, drones and other elements that are the antithesis of arena fps (several of which are literal cheats in a competitive context).

Now try to imagine dedicated quake players (who've historically thought so highly of themselves and their game of choice) abandoning any semblance of integrity & without restraint adopting such a abomination.

And now try to imagine people who after over a year of the QC release still can't get over the fact that it is the latest quake and what people play, so they have to post anonymously on ESR about it. Just imagine those poor sad losers.

Yeah, cause posting on ESR is sooo time consuming compared to actively playing QC. Time to incorporate some logic in your shitposting, shill.

Except that you missed the point completely. Your nerdy anger is blurring your thinking.

It's not how long it takes to post on ESR that I'm pointing at, but at the fact that some people are so pathetic that they have to go to the sub-forum of a game they supposedly hate just to vent out their anger and frustration about the game's existence but also to take the liberty to insult others who might actually not mind the game that much.

To put that into perspective it's like a classical music fan going to a heavy metal forum just to express how much he hates heavy metal and also proceeds to insult others who might like both just because they're not also joining his hate campaign towards it.

It's been over one fucking year since QC came out, and people like you are still here wandering around the QC forums like zombies looking for any opportunity to insult the game and its players. All I say is get a fucking grip already.

Nobody is going in a sub-forum. ESR has this section called "all forums combined" so we are just seeing and posting threads regardless of their "sub-forum"

Also this is a forum that despite any kind of offical naming - IS A QUAKE FORUM so people are going to talk about quake be it good or bad things they are saying.

The music analogy? Quake Champs is not an evolution of a genre - its a de-evolution. A better analogy would be a heavy metal band releasing a new CD of chior music on their faithfull fans (who happen to be the people you cant understand why are mad) (because you like chior music)

People here are mad that a 20 year history of quake is soured by this shovelware masquerading under the quake name

You on the other hand seem mad just that other people are mad at this shovelware game that by your own admission will probably be dead within a years time.

This is a sub-forum like it or not, and when you go to all forums you can still see what sub-forum it belongs to. Personally if it were the sub-forum of a game I don't like or don't play, I wouldn't bother going in there.

I'm glad you consider QC as Quake, as many of its critics here don't want to do so :)

See again you're one of those people who puts me in the box of "likes QC and doesn't understand real quake fans" while you don't actually know about how I feel about the game. If I loved it that much I'd be playing more of it instead of CS:GO and BO4.

The way I see it, it's clearly not the best quake game, but still a quake game which is active with people on it. The other quakes are old as fuck and nobody plays them anymore.

Anyway, my point is not that people should love QC, but that if they hate it that bad they should just move on to something else or keep playing what they've been playing, as their salty cries here on QC forums are lost echos which just show that deep down they are way too emotionally affected by the whole thing. As the famous meme video would say "it's only game, why you hafto be mad".

All previous quake games are still here, they haven't disappeared, if that's the games you enjoy keep playing them. They were already dead before QC came out anyway.

I'm not mad at people who don't like QC, or people who address real issues with the game (OP abilities, performance issues, terrible sound etc.), but people who don't play the game and come on here just to flame the game and its players just for the sake of it because deep down they're sad angry nerds.

You may have a valid point that some people are ripping on the game "just because" they have nothing better to do? Maybe we should just move on instead with our lives.

On the other hand dont expect the user base of ESR to just abandon this site overnight. As I said its a Quake site and QC is the new quake so expect 9/10 threads are now QC threads here.

Or maybe it is you that has the wrong expectations - expecting a forum overrun with with decades long quake purists to just walk away in silence.

I expect most of the people saying negative things are not just doing it to be assholes. Its positive re-enforcement or rather the opposite of that.

The game fell short. cut many corners and has many problems. People are being vocal of their dissapointment for a reason - that they expected better.

When you see these people mocking player numbers and yelling dead game its because they are trying to portay that they expect more out of a quake game. The fact that player number are low only reflects on the poor quality of the whole project - so then these people (these haters) feel validated that yes - the project was not executed well and now the punishment is low playerbase (therefore low income for the publisher).

We dont say QC = bad for fun, we say QC = bad because we expect better. We hope that somebody out there (at bethesda/idsoft/saber) feels the wrath of peoples opinions or at the very least of low player numbers and either fixes this game or does it right nextime.

I'm not expecting ESR users to abandon the site overnight.

I was about to say that those people can spend their time focusing on the other games that they enjoy, before actually thinking to myself that there is actually nothing left to play that is still active when it comes to Area FPS. Which in the first place is the reason I'm playing some QC, because that's the only thing that still has some activity going. As a side note people who say that Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 and QL are still alive and going fine are just lying to themselves.

Now I can see why all this negative attention is brought to QC, because of course the game has issues and clearly isn't the best game around, but when you have no other game to go to and focus your energy on, I guess those people are feeling empty inside, not knowing what to do on ESR, so why not trash on the game they supposedly don't play (at least so they say until some admit they have 1500 hours on the game).

I don't expect the "quake purists" from this forum to disappear and go in silence, but to accept the fact that QC exists, is being played, has attracted a lot of quake pros because of the $$, and that meanwhile the other quake games are dead. Now with that acceptance and realisation they'd be able to focus on positive things towards what they believe in, for example reviving the quake games they love so much by launching original servers, running online competitions, creating mods and maps, getting people from this forum and other games to unite onto 1 quake game for instance, etc.

My main issue isn't that people voice their opinion about how bad QC is, but how they're doing it and how they're trying to act like elitists who feel superior to other people who just play QC for instance, while on the side they'll admit that they also play QC while hating it. Most of the time it's not even constructive feedback or comments and just pure flame towards the game, its creators and its players even over a year after it came out.

For me that doesn't make any sense. If you hate something so much you wouldn't drive attention towards it by flaming it and its users, but by spending that time and energy trying to drive what you're interesting in instead.

Expectations is a funny thing, because I remember people being abusive towards Q4 when it came out, and then also towards QL when it came out (because it supposedly wasn't as good as the original Q3). Now that QC is out those same people abuse QC while QL is fine.

Wishing a game's failure and death because it's not as good as expected is not going to do any good to the franchise and the publisher, and I think people are a bit delusional when they think that once QC fails and dies the publisher will instantly look into releasing a new quake. Most likely than not QC might be the last Quake game, at least for a long long time.

How many times can you repeat the same shit over and over and over...holy shit
And then you have the audacity to call people "pathetic nerds" haha

You're really the one who can't let go and just let people say whatever the fuck they want

You're the one who cares sooooo much you have to point out every single time someone criticises the game and then repeat stuff you've already said a million times before

It's so pathetic you don't even realise people can't stand you and push your buttons just to take the piss at you...and you just bite, and bite, and bite :D

You just expect everyone to act like a boring and unfunny tightass like you are and you don't allow people to rant for the sake of it

Seriously, who the fuck do you think you are ?

"How many times can you repeat the same shit over and over and over...holy shit"

This line is hilarious considering people have been repeating themselves and flaming QC for over a year now, and still can't let go. I didn't say anything for many months, but shit gets boring.

You say I "care soooo much", but I really don't actually. I play some QC while acknowledging it's defects, I don't give a fuck if it goes on or dies, or what's happening with the other quake games, unlike some people here who literally said that Quake is their life and that they are emotionally attached to it (freiya said exactly that, and some other nerds similar things). If that's not pathetic then I don't know what is.

I do realize what some people on here think about me for not following their QC flame quest like a sheep, fuck them to be honest, I'm not here to please them, rather the contrary. Just because I'm on ESR doesn't mean I'm gonna be as sad as all those salty haters.

You don't have to be boring and unfunny, but ranting about the same thing for over 1 year and having the dream of QC dying and quake being great again truly is a nerd dream that's not coming to life.

I return the question. Who the fuck do you guys think you are for talking like some elitists about a dead franchise like quake in the first place? Your game's dead, you're an has-been, at least come to terms with it.

Yes. DOA. The development is a bad joke. It’s plain to see they are cutting costs when they ignore every game breaking flaw in favor for cosmetics, new champions and shit maps. Look at how desperate they are to find a game mode that would semi-consciously fit into their trend following mock-up excuse of a game. The netcode till this day has never been fixed and never will be.

Video performance and memory leaks forever with patch after patch to mask the truth that they are unwilling to go back fix the core of the issue. Perhaps they have tried but the saber are underpaid or unqualified, maybe both? Either way it’s retardedly plain to see that the people in charge favor selling sensationalism over quality. They feel no shame.

As a quake player from the beginning it’s hard to imagine a massively successful quake game to begin with. Carmack is long gone. I’m perfectly happy regardless of the outcome since the community is still there in the old games. I just imagined more from a quake title in 2018. My bad.

I just gave up on it already, I play it casually from time to time because it's at least kinda active unlike the other quakes. It's not like whining about it on ESR is gonna change anything as proven countless of times in the past even when the complains were about Quakelive developments.

"As a quake player from the beginning it’s hard to imagine a massively successful quake game to begin with."

-> Exactly. And that's why it's funny when people mock the couple of thousands of players on QC. That's still tons more than people expected after 1 year, especially considering how bad it is.

The only way people on here will be pleased is if they're releasing a remake of Q3 with new graphics and new settings and maps. And even then, people will simply turn down all the graphics and have th maximum picmip on (me included), and complain that the game isn't like the original Q3 anyway.

I know it's hard to to face reality sometimes especially when it's about something people care about, but truth is Arena FPS is not a thing anymore, quake games are old and abandoned as in played by only a few dozen of the same players who repetitively play each other on the same maps, and QC which is the latest Quake and most active Arena FPS right now because of its recency is poorly designed and will eventually die before long. Crying about it on ESR and insulting people who play the latest thing is futile, as there is nothing to redirect those people to. What are they supposed to play if not QC? Go back to Q3 or QL and play the same few guys who have never quit the game on the same maps we've been playing for 20 years until the end of time? How refreshing...

We want to watch syncerrors career disappear right before his eyes.
After that.. diabotical.
Which will probably run flawlessly.

And will be dead even before launch, just like Reflex. Hopefully I'm wrong though.

No one will leave and you will change nothing. You are so stupid you can’t even see that you’re pointlessly being a full blown rude asshole as well. Good work, idiot. On the other hand esr does need a village idiot like raythenoob and you fit perfectly. Please stay and continue to entertain us with your wannabe voice of reason holy white knight faggot act. Even a dumb kid like you has a purpose. Glad you found it here on esr.

Keep the insults rolling, you're an internet nobody. If you think you're a tough kid for flaming online, think again.

Lol. 29 years old (assuming that this is truly your age) and this is how you spend your time. Get ready for a long winter buddy.

It entertains me enough when taking a break yeah. Definitely not the best use of my time though that's for sure.

49 and balding.
probably a fat slob too.

Fatski

Says the American guy who's a decade older.

You're the kind of guy who gets photoshopped out of pictures because you're too ugly.

I'm 38 and quite handsome.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/282440/Quake_Live/

the two most handsome bastards in quake team up to slay pussy
https://twitter.com/nemigagg/status/1042342180281614336

Blasphemy! You claim "the two most", but neither is DDK. FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS EVERYONE!

brits don't count as humans

I know you want to be accepted as a Berliner but you don't need to speak like a nazi to get there.

I'm American retard

I know you're an American retard.

Hell, you just said Brits don't count as humans while forgetting that they are your ancestors Rofl.

Not my ancestors.
I'm German.
From the Berlin area

Hence why I said "I know you want to be accepted as a Berliner but you don't need to speak like a nazi to get there."

But I guess you're American or German depending on what is convenient.

it's because i'm jewish.

https://imgur.com/a/vRsyQpB

Has anyone had their sensitivity change mid way through a game?
I don't have any DPI buttons bound so it cannot be that...

But today its like my sens was cut in half while playing!
Been happening on and off for a bit, is my mouse dying!?

Your mouse isn't dying, the game is.

Take a look at the avg. player count over time. Just because it isn't linearly increasing doesn't mean it's not increasing.

people leave.
new retards come in.
High turn over liker Amazon warehouses.

I feel like there should be more Amazon Warehouse memes

are you using a poopsie?

Sensitivity never feels consistent for me because of the games poor performance.

Sensitivity never feels consistent for me because of the games poor performance.

Even Trump hates quake
https://imgur.com/a/Ag7GePS

Sad.

I think Syncerror has good understanding about what younger people expect of a game. I don't know if the genre could be populair every again. But if there will be a FPS that has any chance to get big it will be QC. The game looks extremely good on a decent computer, it plays like a real Quake and I like it that the player has the option to chose a movement type ( I enjoy playing Slash). The game still has his flaws and needs work but it is going the right direction.

I watched a video yesterday that discussed why QC was not so populair and in the comments people reacties with the arguments:

1. The game sucks because you can't mod.. I am like WTF? Can you mod PUBG/Overwacht/Fortnite? Does that really makes a game successful?

2. The game sucks because of the abilities, QL is dead and has no abilities. That aside, Quake Live is crap for so many reasons.

3. We have no CA, (come top ffs, come top ffs) I'm so happy we don't have CA at this time. Leave the salty vets in QL please.

4. The game has no server browsers, this is not 1999 there's an advanced way of finding matches trough matchmaking. Who wants to be in a server with salty vets who support their online salty friends no matter how disgusting their behavior is? Not me...

5. We have no console? You want a console? You want to set custom variables because you with your pony tail can't get enough of setting complex variables because that's so much fun? You could switch to any programming language no one is gonna stop you.

6. No bright skins, true, and no 8 bits Nintendo graphics. I didn't hear any pro complain about visibility during PGL.

7. The game stutters, do you have a powerful PC? Good internet connection (latency) did you check your own OS? I do not experience any stutters.

How much do they pay you? :D

Nothing i did pay for their game, directly on release actually. Loved it since the first time (on a friday after waiting in queue for a long time) when i first entered Burial Chambers with Nyx. As i told you before i directly uninstalled QL since. I couldn't go back to QL again after having played a game that actually belonges to this era.

Funny how those who 'defend' QC usually need to shit on QL, that's a weakness in your argumentation.

'this is not 1999 there's an advanced way of finding matches trough matchmaking'

you enjoy this queue time? No sense of community activity besides who you come across (including bots, or are they gone now?)?

Much advance, verry 2018.

1. There are lots of games who are successful due mods. Q3 wouldnt be successful without osp/cpma and thats a fact. Arma2 sold lots of copys due dayZ. Half-life was successful on its own but with the counterstrike mod... ;)

2. Q3/ql is dead as qc. There isnt much of a difference in player numbers. I guess there are even more players in q3/ql when you count all players together from the mods

3. CA is still the most played gametype. No CA means less players.

4. No serverbrowser leaded me into a game where EVERYONE got a ping above 100. It was really fun with this superb netcode.

5.

5. Coding to influence a game is cheating.
In a console I could Set my mouse sensitivity to exactly 2.15 while qc options allow only 0.25 steps. Thats critical when you use a high dpi mouse. Basicly everything above 400dpi is at an disadvantage.

6. They complained a long time ago but they know Tim W. wont change it.

7. Even People with a 1080ti complained about micro stutters

I think Syncerror has good understanding about what younger people expect of a game

Yep, thats why ql and qc were both so extremely successful with keeping newcomers. Shit maps with cthulhu easter eggs and lore scrolls is where its at.

Yeah because making Quake more noobfriendly is what this community is obviously asking for.

You can make a game noob friendly without fucking it up.

Suggestions?

adding ctf would be a good step forward due to being less aim based but more movement and team dependent

this doesnt mean ctf is a noob mode. Its just easier to get into the game.

CTF is already planned, but I don't think it's going to make the game any more accessible to noobs tbh.

No i do not enjoy the queue times, but i enjoy matchmaking. I think there's nothing wrong with it. But less queue time and matchmaking is THE solution in my opinion.

The reason i shit on QL is exactly the same reason QL players shit on QC. Everywhere i come (steam QC forum, Reddit, Bethesda forum, Twitch) it is the QL vets who try to do everything within their reach of shitting on QC. Why are all those QL extremistic QC haters on the QC part of the forums? Why are all those vets on the other QC forums? The game is not what they expected and because of that they try to shit on it as some kind of revenge for Quake not being the game they demanded. That's just so lame for all those players who would like to see a future for QC.

'i didnt get my Quake, now noone will get it'.

So you copy the behaviour you dislike in others? And point out their immaturity?

I think people like you and Tayski don't understand that 'hating' QC is kind of a running gag. It might be a sad way of enjoying this website, but it works for some. And it's not as emotionally invested as you might think. Meanwhile some people start fighting this 'common view' with endless arguments and calling people names while saying how much they don't care. Most people don't care about any quake, but still enjoy to shit on it. You can't complain about that though and use bashing another title as a pushoff.

I can't speak for him but I do understand that hating on QC is what people feel like doing on this site because it's probably the only place where they can do it freely without anyone going against it, and so they feel like they have something in common with the other haters, a sense of belonging to something.

I'm not trying to convince people that QC is good, because it's not, but it would be too easy if people were posting incorrect stuff about QC or going over the board abusive about it and its players without anybody challenging their comments. That's what I was doing, just because fuck them and their little hate bubble.

And as you pointed out yourself yes it's pretty sad to hate on something so much and for so long in time if you really don't like it, instead of moving on to whatever gets you hard. The reality is that those people (and from what I've seen you seem to fit in) have nothing left going for them; the previous quakes which were everything they had are now dead while the new quake game doesn't meet their expectations - some on here even said that quake is their life and they get emotionally affected by what's happened to it. It's a sad story really. They have to express their emotions where it's [not] heard, here on ESR.

If you believe in "freedom of speech" for people to hate on something freely and with abuse, then you can only expect people who don't agree with that to express their own opinion too. I have no problem going against popular opinion on here to address and correct a bunch of sad emotional nerds who don't just feel free to shit on QC but also abuse those who play QC (while they usually also play QC themselves anyway). This "acting superior" act not only is disproportional and futile, but is actually paradoxical considering they're the sad losers posting their salty tears on an underground forum.

You talk about paradoxes and 'acting superior', this is exactly what you show in your posts. Calling others nerds, losers for voicing their opinion. I don't see QC players getting much hatred, mostly the people that develop the game.

You talk about me having nothing left cause my game(s) are dead. I have played a lot of QL and I still can play every day. If it dies completely, which won't happen anytime soon, I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with QC living or dying. I like to make fun of some aspects of the game and sadly that seems to hurt you somewhere.

When you talk down on QL and CA you are also using a common esr or quake vet theme (CA isn't quake), I wonder why you adopted that one so easily even though you were a QL CA player yourself. Where's the independent rebel thinker there? Or did it just suit you to shit on the remaining QL players? Which seems hypocritical to me if you dislike QC abuse.

You seem to think you are doing some kind of justice while this crusade makes you look like an idiot mostly.

p.s. All the best and I hope you understand.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, and it's good to give people a taste of their own sauce.

I'm not making it up, people on here have called QC players "scum", "worthless", "lacking self-esteem", and other names. Even though I barely play QC, I still thought I'd respond to those comments and knock people off their horses a little bit.

Maybe you're not one of those who are emotionally attached to the previous quakes or hate QC with so much passion that you have to express those salty tears on here. However you're definitely someone who responded to my comments aimed at other sad people on here, trying to show them that you're on their side and they're not alone.

I talked down on QL CA only because you said that QC was a dumbed down quake (which it is) but paradoxically you play QL CA which is also massively dumbed down quake. I have no problem with QL CA as that's mostly what I played on QL, but it's just full of hypocrisy to call something dumbed down quake while what you're playing is also dumbed down quake. See, this is exactly the sort of hypocrisy I like to respond to.

I don't shit on the remaining QL players, but when some QL players say that QC is dead or about to die and then I take a look at the number of QL players, I just laugh inside. Again that's where I like to put people back in their place a little. Please find a comment from me where I shit on QL or its players. You'll see that all it is is responses to people who take too many liberties while not looking at themselves or the games they play.

This "crusade" as you call it is not meant to make me look good on here as most people will stick together in hating QC, or even try to jump in when I'm specifically responding to someone else. It's not any kind of justice either as such. More like putting people back in their place a bit for fun when they think they're mega cool old-school-quake players who can shit on anything and anyone because of that status.

Lol its not like people are influence by other people opinions. I like diablo but other hate it. So what. I still enjoy it.

QC wont have a future due to lack of players. Quake players enjoy a real quake game and ability lovers enjoy overwatch. This + bad sound + bad netcode and and and
The progress to fix those issues is to slow. Nobody will play this game any more when its fixed.

its always qc lovers who cant even click the reply button