Needed vars

turnoff speech
turnoff red square when damaged
fov
drawgun 0
g_gunz gunx guny
scalegun for make it smaller
forceenemymodel

brightskins


cant see +zoom ability?

may be player camera little higher than in QL

too much health, what about duel?

Force enemymodel seem a bit stupid when they have abilities, don't you think? I'm all for making them green though.

And also, why too much health? Seem pretty balanced considering it was zero4 smashing noobs and webdevelopers.

webdevelopers, so subtle

Speaking of which, they are terrible at updating their quake.com site as well. Still no Slash player information under champions tab, or the basic mg/sg under weapons etc.

Force enemymodel seem a bit stupid when they have abilities, don't you think? I'm all for making them green though.

knowing "what ability" not helps you in such chaos. No time to think about it and planning your game

lol

People need to be able to show off their skins and other character customizations.

No one is gonna buy a skin that no one will see. :D

But you dont know am i using forceenemymodel or not.

If you put that setting in the game, a lot of people will use it, and those people will not see the beautiful skins you paid for. :D

That will make you less likely to give id money for skins or other cosmetic customizations.

A setting to turn on a sort of outline around the player that you can set the colour of would be nice.

Something like this mock-up:
http://imgur.com/NI4Dlx0

If you put that setting in the game, a lot of people will use it, and those people will not see the beautiful skins you paid for. :D
If not put forceenemymodel var in QC, a lot of people will not play QC

I think the majority of people who care about forcing enemy models will play this game just because it is called Quake.

I think you'll find that the group of people who care about cosmetics is much bigger than that gameplay-focused group you're talking about. That's why every game is now making money out of some sort of microtransaction-based scheme or another.

I don't like it much either, but that's the way it is.

It's not just about selling the game and getting that one-off payment like it used to be. They want to keep selling things to the players of a game for as long as they are playing, by turning the game into a storefront because they realized they have a captive audience who they can always be tempting by dangling shiny things in front of them. :D

I think ppl want more to win( and cheat for win) than make cosmetics.

Thats why in QL players try to choose thin models(easy to hide and avoid shots). Nobody will play sorlag, becouse difficult to hide(tail).

Some model colors will merge with the map background. Not profitable to play with bright colors on dark map => you cosmetics must be dark. But if your enemy has dark cosmetics and you not. You
will often loose. And you will whine.

Quake not a game even (QC), like Sims, and a group of players who will buy cosmetics much smaller than "balance whiners"

Take it up with id. They obviously think there are more casuals than competitive players.

A skin system and forcing enemy models are incompatible. id chose the former.

This serious topic should not disappear in the news line.

CaptainTaichou:

Take it up with id. They obviously think there are more casuals than competitive players.

A skin system and forcing enemy models are incompatible. id chose the former.

They wrong. Pro players will begin to choose imba models and skins. And casuals will repeat after them. Like downloading configs, mouses etc.

Continue here
http://www.esreality.com/post/2864522/cg-forceenemymodel-or-not/

"Nobody will play sorlag, becouse difficult to hide(tail)."
:')

there were custom models and skins before the commercialisation too

That's true, but since no one was making any money from it, there wasn't so big a reason to prevent forcing models from the dev's point of view.

That custom stuff was also usually made by the community.

From what we have seen on the market up to this point:
OW is closest thing to Q:C regarding skins and how they could treat them, yet OW doesn't have any skins trade built in system. It doesn't seem like Q:C would to for now.

OW has a completely different visual scheme which provides them with an opportunity to utilize different skins for any character while retaining visibility.

The only other FPS using skins would be CS:GO. They have a trading system and a clear visual scheme too and they did not put in CT/T player skins. I think they didn't want to lower the visibility standard and what they set up with current player skins which are adjusted to the competitive standard they currently use.

The point is that player skins are a spectator feature, not competitive player feature and could be treated as such.

The player outline solution may counter it but with how visually busy quake is it could make people stop playing is normal skins are used.

check this

I think you need to be telling this to wwwAnyBoy since he is the one insisting forcing enemy model is needed for visibility reasons.

QC will have an in-game currency called "Favor" that lets you buy shit.
I'd be surprised if you couldn't also trade real currency for that.

It also has loot boxes with exactly this sort of stuff in them.

At any rate, we have already seen footage of champion customizations in QC, and things like this:

http://imgur.com/a/dyhaa

Check out that Shambler head!

No one is going to be spectating the vast majority of players who care about this sort of thing, especially with matchmaking forming the teams for us. So yeah, it is an in-game feature. If anything, it will be the competitive mode that has these things disabled somehow.

I'd be quite happy to have brightskins, but it doesn't look like that is the sort of thing id is going for so far.

Let us choose the outline color though please!
red is not good for everyone

(in overwatch red is only option and it sux for me)
(colorblind options makes things worser)

YESSSSS x 100000

They tried outlines in Reflex and it was awful, didn't help visibility at all, so they just went with brightskins in the end (or something close to it).

id's solution seems to be putting red triangles above players' heads... so far this game looks like a total visual clusterfuck

I'm not sure why they'd even need to in Reflex. The game is basically textureless.

What are the options?
Outlines, chevrons, brightskins, cartoon graphics, textureless graphics, picmip, what else? :D

The last four are probably incompatible with what it looks like they are trying to do.

Sounds are probably a bigger problem at the moment. :D

outlines were fine, people just went all not quake 3 = shit over it

If you have "no time to think", then choose a more casual and simpler game.

Nobody can, even super pro

rofl, almost all players can

You can avoid 5 players shooting you alltogether?

haha

noob

HUGE NOOB DETECTED

If you have a problem. If no one else can help and if you can find me. Maybe you can hire....

Although seeing your posts and the problems you have, I doubt anyone can be persuaded to help you.

For abilities timing ask to agent :)

the most annyoing thing for me are the hit markers lul

Sounds like you should just stick to Quake Live.

Omg, this killed my soul.

This game will die within 2 months.

You still optimistic demon?

So you won't play it?

Success!

it was better if they did another game and not quake,they just ruined a game brand for many old player

They should've done Rage 2 instead. What is dead may never die.

Huh, yes, this hasn't changed my opinion one bit. In fact I found this comforting.

I'm very curious what it is you think this quake needed to be in order to be successful. I think you should tell us all right now. Might have a laugh or two.

Why would you think I wouldn't know shit about what a quake game would need? You just say this because i'm not praising the game that you want to succeed so bad. I want it too but i'm being realistic here.
I'll buy it and play it, but will this game be popular for years to come?


I hope I'm wrong and this game will become bigger than Overwatch.

Lets talk about this on fb sometime Romain.

Or you could just answer his question here you dweeb.

rocket like...2000ms??

At 0:39, does it look like he'll be able to make the usual jump from rail to bridge?

At 0:54, the rail looks very weak and more like a laser than a railgun, probably because of the sound and the very short rail trail time.

Is there a hit beep on that rail?

What are those yellow egg timer type things on the bridge? :D
They seemed to give him cooldown reduction.

The bridge does seem a little pushed back in some views, but that jump isn't automatic. Have to set it up a bit beforehand.

Nyx can always walljump over... :/

Beta

actually, rail to bridge seems even easier to make than QL. I played Ranger about 95% of th time the other night.

It seems so far with that narrow bridge in the video.

Looks very nice for me :)

Just please don't make the same "mistake" as in Quake 4.
The sounds should be SHORT, sweet, without added starting delay, without echo. This is what had the most impact while i was modifying the quake 4 sounds. I cut some sounds to 1/4 of their original length (example the RL explosion) and removed the starting delay.

This is very important to be able to position the sound in a 4v4 or 5v5 where being able to still hear the footsteps of the opponent behind the corner (while being in a battle is very important).

Every sound should not fill the whole frequency spectrum (Quake 4 sound were like that also).
A good example is the plasma gun in Quake 3. Very short and has a very distinctive frequency range compared to the other weapons.

Nice to see you coming back.

if any id developers reading this thread please take this xgo advice to the heart. quake 4' s one of the most annoying things was what he described.

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in game I thought the sounds were more subdued than this trailer. I understand what you mean about their full spectrum, different envelopes and decays etc. and maybe it won't matter- Just remembered thinking the game was quieter than I thought it might be

Very nice graphics but meh gameplay overall

i don't see this game getting popular =/

i'm with zhu for once

my captcha read "ozejl" ..very transcendental.

I feel very good

All you people whining can suck a brick. This is a new game, things are going to be different. Suck it up and play, or don't. I don't care. I'm going to have fun playing a new quake game for the first time in 10 years. Y'all can go play CPMA with 4 other people for be rest of your life.

>Quake Live players complaining
>"CPMA"

:thinking:

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Go mojo!

i'll find tim willits, if i dont get a beta key this week.

nice video!

looks sloooooow ;(

slasher point whoring

Wow so much whine over a free game. I hope you will not get a chance to play the game.

Cant wait for beta key! I hope I will be lucky enough and get an invite in first round!

I hope enemy model pointer will be changed. Red point on his head will confuse me so many times, I mean I will see only opponents leg from long distance. I will be confused whether to shot or no. Enemy models should be marked as in Overwatch + you need to make option what color enemy model will be.

Please remember that so far the only people who play the game in promo videos are noobs from id and rusty zero4 who probably forgot everything from quake and just enjoys his huge pay check and eats donuts all day long. Imagine if sponge and syncerror made a cpma video, you'd think cpma is some retarded +back sloth simulator with alwayswalk on.

Let's wait for the beta.

lol

It takes a very long time to get rusty in something like quake (decades) and a very short time to be at least decent again (at 70-80% of previous/top skill level once achieved). Zero4 was in the top4 at Quakecon half a year ago so there is no way he can be rusty, other blokes sure, but then again ... there is no such thing as getting rusty in FPS games if you have ever played them for a significant amount of time.

agreed, stopping for some weeks every year is beneficial imo, you clean bad habits and you accumulate more desire to play.

i wrote before and i'm gonna write it again:

QC may look and feel like Quake, but there is not such thing as skill transition from QL to QC. Don't have many illusions bout it.

where is r_picmip 5 and cg_enemymodel keel ?

in osp

nice... here have a [-]

http://coub.com/view/t7fss

Sounds are terrible. They just dont have any oomph. Who ever did the announcer should be liquidated for crimes against AFPS.

Yeah sounds are annoying.
I find that ambient (?) sound too distracting. I would prolly get a headache after an hour of play time :)
Sound distance seems a lot larger than in previous quake series.. you can hear shots fired from quite far away.

This. It's so incredibly muddy as well.

The announcer didn't sound bad to me, at least not as bad as the female voice in QL or the mild male voice.

It kind of sounds like the voice from Diablo in Diablo 3 I think though.

I liked it as well, it sounds much better than what we currently have in QL.

I wouldn't say that, the original Q3 / remake of it is still what I prefer :p. But this one sure didn't make me cringe.

smaller and better weapon models pls

these monster models are too destructive

lg and nailgun arent so big, the problem is the rg, most horrible model ever

Already seen the Q2/3/ET:QW style model option for it in one of the videos.

Agreed! Worst RG modem of any quake by far, looks horrible horrible.

I wait for my beta invite!

Looks pretty fun countering the various champions with not just raw aim.

The rockets do look slow though but hey it's just the beta! Double the ups!

The sound design is very unlikely to change later and so I think it's important to mention this. The following sounds occupy the same upper-mid/high frequency range AND have a consistent timbre making them nearly impossible to distinguish between.

>Spawning
>Jumping
>Weapon noises
>Weapon equip
>Pickups
>Items
>Ultimate notification

In a game where sound plays a crucial role this is pure fucking madness. To make matters worse, the long decay times and _constant_ high-end reverb means everything is blurred together.

These sounds will be heard A LOT (team modes are the focus right?), they need to be quick, distinct and non-fatiguing. In q3 no matter which sounds are playing simultanously, they're recognisable without thinking, this is how it should be and even the q3/cpm clones did this right!

The muffling of distant sounds (0:22) and random attenuation (on hurt/on death/teleports etc) should be configurable by cvar, since they offer absolutely nothing. Finally, no quad noise(?)

One more thing!
I actually liked the announcer but I think the lines could be faster.

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neeeed betaaaa

timers on every item, thats half the gameplay gone.

Better be some promode or / mm settings. I love counting by feel :[

Counters remove the fun guessing game

a lovely air rocket at 1:44 https://youtu.be/lLEUD0WnTzs?t=1m41s

Leagues should force blue/red skins and problem solved. Noobs still can enjoy their skins.

I really had no problem with how overwatch handled it, basically huge red or blue bars on top of everyone. Had 0 adjusting time to it

It will be super funny if the game fails because this awful sound system.

Fix IT now, guys on this thread already mentioned everything needed to be done, xgo and one anonymus with details.

And my biggest WTF was no quad dmg sound? Really?
What were you thinkin....or right, you didn't

I just replayed few times, so....the sounds - lines are TOO LONG
Enemy team has the quad...
When enemy is shooting with quad there is no additional quad sound (mentioned above already) - this is super terrible
The enviroments and enemys in some areas are too "blunt" like part of the enviroment, which means only thing you will aim is red indicator not focusing on enemy model as it should be. indicators all time on teammates is fine....

Sound again....like everyone said before, railgun-rocket dont feel like railgun and rocket since there is no ooomph to the weapon sounds.

Sounds are queued ? 4 seconds after the quad pickup and already a frag down the line I hear, air rocket, quad dmg? Really ? wtf ? maybe I'm missing something

Also this character talking, instead you listen to the enviroment and whats happening to your surrounding you are listening to yourself and not hearing enemy footsteps, jumppad sounds ect. ect.

It's simple:
Enemy Quad
Quad Dmg
Team Quad
extra buzz or something

lower some sounds, increase others, its simple as that.....in q3-ql, when someone has good headphones and listens to sounds really good, they are all positional and ppl mark you as a cheater which in fact is skill by itself. Removing the sound relateable skill with too much constant noise is reciepe for disaster.


Detailed analysis:
spawn: instantly you see the location of the quad...this is arbitrary and unnecessary - learn the map
first quad fight - only thing i heard here is some grunting, shotgun blast, quad dmg, no footsteps, no jumps, no nothing else...awful
second spawn: you are spawned and instantly your character starts talking...is this a spiderman comic book or what?
jumppad on the rail, if you replay few times, those jumppads are so freakin silent, there is no way that you could hear someone going up from a fair distance like it was in q3/ql (maybe good maybe bad...but again sound plays important role and this is too silent)
After which there are direct rocket hits - but direct rocket is not distingushable at all, again doubt it you would hear the direct hit sound in this soundfest madness if you send "random/prediction" rocket to a certain location and leaving
After that enemy quad kill you get a summary of stats which disappear and stay on screen for 4seconds...jesus...score plum is enough, you already see you killed an enemy, it is showned at the upper left corner, middle of the screen .... why so many of the same information.... in programming this is called redundancy and it should not happen

you fragged "enemy name"
2nd place on the score board and how many points
summary score
summary xp
medal
kill
medal

why THE F*** so many information during an fast paced arena shooter ? is this rpg ? if I want extra information Ill just press tab like in any other game and any previous quake's....
and this queue of medal kill medal, it can be done in far less distracting matter...either just showing the badges in queue or showing it somewhere else....or not showing it at all since it's redundant information

Rail sound again ....i'm tryin to listen but there is no buzzing of the railgun on the standby or am I deaf ?
Because on the bridge fight, you can't hear sorlag walking behind you, or ANY footsteps during the whole match (or am I deaf again?) and without rail buzz how can you hear for example someone camping on the rail, or just standing there if there is not this sound que? Terrible

Again light armor bridge fight, you can hear one rocket hit, after that you can hear/get very little of information, there is enemy grunting but it doesn't represent enemy's health status from their "hurting sounds" since there are 2 splash rocket dmg (which you can clearly SEE but you can't HEAR the splash dmg, or enemys "hurting") awful again

And last fight?
only thing i heard was rocket being fired from "your character", midAir badge sound, without hearing actually direct rocket hit, there were 3 enemies wearing slipers so they came from promode, and their weapons also muffled because there are ninja hitmans wearing slipers....

Sound is killing the game alltogether....now imagine all this chaos plus discord/teamspeak during an actual clan war.....my ears are bleeding....

And drop quad in tdm should not be a thing.

Yeah, we need beefy sounds. That rail does not sound like a super high speed depleted uranium slug heating up the air to the point that it glows.

And yes, I need growling quad effect when I shoot. :D

edited the post...

Wow, it is massive now. :D

I agree about too much text on screen when you kill someone.

Well yeah...since so many wrongs :(

Xd

Fucking sick! Excited for this weekend. Let's hope for an invite. :D

would be nice to see you back in the arena, with all powers at the ready :D

Good to see you back!

looks a bit tight on the map like 30ppl playin FFA on aerowalk

can't wait for QC 2.0

I foresee Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3 and Quake 4 dlc soundpacks :)

I thought the RL was pretty big and took a nice chunk of screen real-estate, so I made a small comparison:

werent those weapon models bigger on q3a vanilla compared to QL?

You're not accounting of fov, and axis positioning. In your video it doesn't even look that bad, with a few axis corrections they'll probably be about the same.

I've been playing csgo for 2 years now and I still can't call this shit fast paced. Here's hoping it's just zero4 being a vq3fag or pov being fixed to 90 cause I was actually looking forward to this game.

Zero4 had always played with 90 for, why does every expect him to run 120 now. Ingrades

give reflex a try

The sound design is indeed muddy but what struck me the most is how little perceptible panning there is - they might as well have recorded this in mono.
So as expected, one more quake with near useless sound :|

Wow, this game is so noob friendly that zero4's team really has to struggle with sponge's team, hehehehehe.
And I really like how the red enemy indicators go full retard at 0:56.

About Quake veterans raping noobs

That is what my concern was about, damn this game will be LoL.

If you look frame by frame it still appears that the rocket starts from within the player. And it also has a strange path that the rocket projectile takes.

Tribes Ascend was worse. The weapons made 1/4 of the screen unusable. After months of complaining in beta they finally made them smaller.

They probably just want to show off their creations to the bigger audience before allowing xtehXindiexsXex666xv3g@nXcyb3rXw@rrl0rdzrx to shrink them.

Please PLEASE PLEASE! listen to people about sound.... Quake 4 was so bad because of the whole sound issues, I felt tortured trying to compete just because of this.

Give me that invite nao

I saw the video on another site, without description, and was wondering "hey, this guy is not too shabby" :)

Was quite a blast to the past seeing this. Thinking about looking into it, but hey, 1. Quake was perfected with Q3/OSP at the version where jump height was not yet fixed to too high a value (where players began to dodge rockets by jumping instead of strafing, which turned everything to shit) and before cl_maxfps 125 and CPM made aiming so lag-free and perfect that everyone could hit something with shaft and rail, 2. you cannot bring back old times.

Glad to watch some demos / streams though if this game turns out to be good.

Speaking of hitting every rail and all shaft, given that every champion does the same damage with the same weapons, it is going to be interesting to see what kind of accuracies people get against opponents with hitboxes the size of a barn, who are also the same champions that move the slowest.

I'm guessing we're gonna at least need a tank champion to get more armor out of an armor pickup.

very """interesting""" how it ends right before he is fragged.