Oho!

woah

:O

Mr eGinger plz do one with the toxinator

thorin suckin some quake dick. guess situation for him in other "esports" ain't that good after that poland incident.

are you retarded ?

grota suckin some thorin dick

Its had a negligible effect on his career, he's going to be at a decent amount CSGO events.

Great stuff.
True quake legend!

Would be good to get more of these, would donate for stuff like this, really good, unique content.


>Not invterviewing Av3k to harvest the most out of this gaffe

>MFW I'm just a line in the broken code

A E S T H E T I C

Coming off the back of the thresh interview this is amazing, a true quake legend and I'm glad he's still around!

Please interview polosatiy if you can thorin, his YouTube has been very active lately.

all of the 'reflections' series has been really interesting, thanks to thorin!

anyway this interview was a hoax. A professional soccer player from the US? THERE IS NO SUCH THING MATE

I have to say, Thorin is doing a pretty good job lately, well done and keep up the good work ! :)

No matter how hard you try thorin, you will never have a soul, so maybe stop trying to asslick this community by finding out some dinosaurs

hitsu
Registered: 28 Mar 2011

Thorin
Registered: 18 Nov 2001

he's earned his stripes and provided more content on this website than you will ever be able to. now go away.

Half of his content is repeating stuff other said. Congratz

Please do go away, stupid kid.

yes, very meaningfull argument. oh esr i missed you so much

2011? lol kid.

hitsu
Posts: 8007

Thorin
Posts: 6158

Goes without saying that hitsu > Thorin. Provided more content for sure.


Also, his post count will say Boob in one post.

Hitsu, can I be like you? you seem such cool. Much wow.

kudos for the interview

shame makaveli is falsely associated by the community as this raging, all aim no brain type of player when in fact he's one of the true students of the game

I actually thought Makaveli was more of a brain type player. Apart from his inconsistent rail, his aim was pretty weak. Although I wasn't around when he was active so it could just be from looking at old games when the communities general aim had improved by then. I do remember watching a few Quake 3 games though, and I thought he didn't have good control over his mouse, but he still did decent.

I've had zero knowledge of this guy prior to meeting him other than knowing he was with the K9 guys and a lan-proven player. Hung out with him and Usurper and a few other dudes back in 2009/2010, definitely one of the most mellow guys I've ever met.

Will watch Tonight

If possible do Fatal1ty, GitzZz and Pasha <3

edit: stermy too ;o he did that CGS tournie also

i hope reflections will feature some ut players in the future

gitz
scrmz
skaven

No point reflecting on scrmz/skaven...they ain't really done anything. Got big towards the end of UT2004 only. Lauke would be the next obvious

I concur

ofc ^^^^^^^ this guy right here ^^^^^^^^^^^

well that's like your opinion maaaaan

but any ut99 players you would like to add?

maybe sas*bleh-? not the most popular player ever but the ut community really hold him in very high regard

There isn't many UT players worth adding as there's not been as many big tournaments (especially those not won by gitzzz/lauke).

There's no point interviewing someone who was only active in UT99. Other than Gitzzz, Fatal1ty and potentially Lauke there's nobody in the UT scene worth interviewing as they're pretty unknown

Even when I didn't play CS I still heard of f0rest & potti...other than gitzzz I doubt others can say the same about UT players

Interviewing bleh would be like interviewing a TrackMania player...who cares

Reflections is like a legends series

Fair enough reasoning, but as someone who was in the Unreal community from the first version of the game I know I could personally shine some light on a number of things that will otherwise continue to go unknown until the end of time. I know being "the #1 American UT player for x amount of years" doesn't grant legend status, but there's a lot of story to be told hiding within a decade of the game(s) and I was pretty much in dead center of it all.

Personally I'd vote for Lauke and Gitzzz to do a dual interview. Gitzzz was Lauke's Ivan Drago, and the way their history played out over the years of UT99, to the very last tournament for 2k4 is reason enough to get them on the microphone together. Seeing both perspectives at once would be interesting.

raffi_b alltimes #1 american

I'd prefer separate as you're more likely to get shit talk behind each others backs rather than both sharing a stream but could still interview gitzzz first then have lauke respond to some of his comments (only advantage of dual interview is 2-way reponses)

Would be really cool if u could do one with lakerman aswell. Really good stuff those interviews.

an evil interview with an interpret to let him answer in russian would be awesome

Really interesting interview. Makaveli seems like a really cool down to earth guy. Next up should be Zero4. :)

<3 Thorin

can we get a reflections with Cooller! Cypher one was dope, he talks about both here in "why we watch e-sports" video

https://youtu.be/3EcJvUseDXk?t=5m54s

Do one with Vo0. Vo0 won more Painkiller tournaments than Fatal1ty, but people remember Fatal1ty because he won that big tournament and there's many shows about him. Vo0 has also won few small tournaments in Reflex recently so it would be cool.

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but I agree with Vo0 also

Reflections with SyncError please. :)

Reflections with John Carmack!!

Excellent, again!

i did just watched the reflections with
cypher
thresh

and now = makaveli!

reflections with CPM masters:

rat
vo0
aph

+endi
+marC
+xone

Krogoth

funnyb

good joke m8

Yes do a vo0 Interview please, I´d watch that for sure

intervo0 please!!

zero4 next, then rapha pls

Rapha still is too much of a newfag for this series. Considering QL's development is coming to an end, I think the correct time will be right after Quakecon 2016.

Rumors say next year there won't be a QL duel tournament at Quakecon, as it will only feature an all-Quakes event ('Quad Damage), and maybe Doom 4 too. If so, then this is the perfect time to host a cypher-rapha QL grand final (showmatch), so that the QL champion is decided. After that then rapha should be interviewed.

rapha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HMLyDbzR14

haven't seen the interview yet, but the pummel at the start of t2 @ babbages(I think) will remain in my memory forever ;)

love these interviews!!

Very nice.

Cooller next please.

T1E next pls

What happened to all that media with makavelli and others in it?

He was on the news for CPL?
He also did quake 3 dreamcast thing with thresh.
Sure he did something with pentium 4?

Anyone got it, please host it on youtube.

Thanks...

The guy is to much "polite-murrican". Downplaying everything, dont want to discuss any controversy at all. He seems like the avarage village politican.

The tresh interview was much more mesmerizing. Cypher was pretty decent and he couldnt even speak proper english. But atleast he seemed honest and truthfull.

But im waiting for the "reflections - Av3k" 15 years from now when he is out of the prison. That one will be epic.



Thanks thorin for taking your time to do these. Its a nerdgazm.

i agree. there were some long non-answers. thorin points it out in the beginning of the interview that it's years after the fact so there's no point in being this polite. shit felt way too formal on makaveli's side.

it went something like this:
"between these two players, who was better?"
"... they were both very talented players."

In response to both of you I can only say I have nothing but fond memories of my experiences from Quake, the places I saw, and especially the people I met.

I've met so many talented and intelligent people throughout my experiences that I truly feel blessed. I was just being honest. I don't have any animosity toward any of the people I met during my time as a "pro" quake player.

I'm sorry if you were expecting some type of trash talk, but I'm actually an analytical kind of guy.

i wasn't expecting trash talk.

more than enough of your responses were non-committal.

Well what kind of commitment were you looking for in some of these answers? I honestly can't tell you "X guy would have definitely beat Y guy." Just too many variables.

I would be happy to clarify or add more information if you bring up a specific topic.

I would be happy to clarify or add more information if you bring up a specific topic.

What's your take on the refugees ruining the European heritage by forcing Islam on the good people of Britain?

I've just placed a fatwa on you

nadal in his prime or federer or borg...sometimes the hypothethicals are hard to answer....all it leads to is a pretty random guess (most likely who your favourite is)

Its nice for you that you have nothing but fond memories from your quake days. But for us viewers it doesnt really give us much. Its just like a good book. It has to have some intriguing stories/rivalries.

But thanks for taking the time, its always nice to see old-timers contribute back to the community.

The problem is I really didn't have a "rival." The players who could have been my rivals in California, were personal friends. So most of my stories will be around that, and how much fun we all had. After my friends quit, I was pretty much untouchable online on the west coast for over a year.

Zero4 was more like a protege than a rival. We still talk to this day.

The only real rival I could think of would be Fatality, as he took 1st and I took 2nd in consecutive tourneys. And even in that instance it was a friendly rivalry. We hung out. I didn't have any ill wishes for the man and I am very happy for his success. Again, another person I still keep in contact with.

I'm just a laid back kind of guy man.

As I mentioned to comrade, if there is a specific topic you are curious about, I'd be happy to go into more detail if I am able. I know people may feel I was "sugar coating," but I'm just being honest.

As you said, there was no rivalries, no intrigue. Thats what make the story a bit "boring". And this shouldnt come off as an insult(If english was my native language, I would probably chose my words better).

Its really great for you that you had such a great time, it really is. But for us who are watching(atleast me) are hoping for some stories that never was told before for unknown reasons.

But if I may ask, that "korean guy", what happened to him? And was his playstyle any different? Was it a cool feeling seing someone like that looking so "pro" or did it felt "corny" at that time?

Looking back I think I thought it was a bit corny, but at the same time I thought it was cool that a gamer had a support system around him for competition. It was really something I felt was missing during my time as a player. As I said in the interview, I literally had a friend help me pay for my trip to a tournament, I could barely pay for my food, was staying with a friend in his hotel room, didn't have a PC to practice on, etc. Hardly ideal for competition.

When I look at the support system modern gamers have for competitions, I think PowerK and his team were on the right track, that is for sure. That "professional attitude" is a good thing. Not just for the competitors, but for the community image overall.

I really don't know what happened to PowerK after the tournament.

now where into it, would've RiX matched up evenly with thresh?

what was RiX's playstyle like, and how would you compare it to thresh?

In my personal opinion I don't think Rix would have done well against Thresh. Just one man's opinion, but I see that game being fairly one sided.

I recall thinking Rix was RL orientated/dominant and a conservative player. Force him to be offensive and I remember him having more difficulty in those scenarios.

Thanks for the vote of confidence Vic :).

czm would be a good one too

thorin did a longer video interview with czm as i remember

pls interview dird next

any questions on av3k/drug dealing/rape and I hang up ;o

it'd be all about chinese drama shows

no troll this time i really enjoyed this interview


played makaveli in numerous duels back in the day and i loved his shit talking

and his TDM comments were spot on, remember playing in some tdm league matches during the OSP days and he would just take every weapon running around like an idiot with insane aim

polosatiy would be great as well as prozac


or leXer

we heard polosatiy about a year ago on 102 stream, lexer would be really epic as we didnt hear from him since he goes to Bali. But someone with m19-lexer nickname rolled me about 3-4 years ago on moscow q3 server.

ahha nice

That's fine, if your Russian. But for the rest of us Polos in English would be cool.

polos or death(from b100) would be nice

i think they were the "apex" predators of the russian scene b4 the cooller showed up on the scene

add here unkind

Rat or nothing

Finally got around to listening it through. Great interview, he was well mannered but I didn't feel like he dodged answers. Just seems really happy with his experiences in esports, moved on successfully and is happy that someone is interested in his story.

Plus he's still around sometimes, that's awesome.

agree I felt he was super pumped that someone wanted to talk about his good ole days.....

one question. i read that in early quake3 fata took every item/powerup on the map, counted items and ran a route on the maps.

what i dont get, this couldnt be new, there was q1/qw/q2 before. so what was new about fatas playstyle/strategy?

It was relatively new at the time. You have to imagine a time in FPS/Arena history where 'control' was an unheard of concept. People were just starting to integrate the mouse into their configurations, as games like Doom and Doom 2 were playable with just a keyboard.

When Fatal1ty was starting his reign as a dominant Quake 3 player, he took the concept of WASD and controlling items that Thresh had pretty much invented, and built upon it. It was an approach that seemed much more dominant at the time than it does today because the movement was nowhere near as refined as you've seen in the past ~5 years. Strafe jumping wasn't even common place yet.

Your making 2000 sound way too primitive. By that time people had been using mice and wasd for years in q3test, q2 and q1 and even earlier (see Thresh in doom). Good players were already controlling and timing items heavily in both q2 and q1.

I think Fatality was the first to really take a professional approach, his map knowledge was second to none, spamming corners with rockets/grenades heavily correctly predicting enemy movements, along with perfect multiple item timing and solid hit scan aim with his determination to win, he was hard to beat.

This was all built from the hours and hours of serious practice he put in, he earned that #1 spot.

Yeah I remember when I switched to WASD + mouse after reading about it in PC Format magazine in around 97/98

at least in q1/qw there is no armor decay so you are not forced to cycle through them.

Man, it's been so long I totally forgot about that. Yes, armor decay starting in Q3 was lame. Limits your strategic options. I don't recall armor decay being present in Q2 either.

I remember now, I used to be able to "leave armors/MH" up because I wanted to push a specific position. In Q3, it became more necessary to just rotate and farm the armors.

yep, it narrows the possibilities and therefore the play styles quite a bit.

IIRC they wanted to avoid that super campy play that is possible in qw for example where both players stack up and then just sit and wait (dm2). However that also limits the mind games that the old armor systems allow.

I would also point out lowering the game timer from 20 to 15 and now to 10 also changes things quite a bit.

Go back in the old days of 20 minute games... Shorten them to 10 minutes. You get different results in many of them. I lose to Shub in our first game for example. Immortal would have lost to Sniper at Extreme Annihilation. (Immortal won the tournament) I'm sure there are many comebacks and outcomes that would have been different with 10 minute games.

I felt 20 minutes really made you play consistently good for a long period, and it was mentally/physically exhausting. It also gave you ample time to "figure a guy out."

10 minute games leave me wanting to see more, it just feels really short. I would "at least" like to see 15 minute games again, just IMO. I'd love 20 minute games.

Going to watch some more demos. Really out of the loop over the last 10+ years. But I definitely don't like the 10 minute thing. Too short.

So true. Guess kids can't focus no longer than 10 minutes watching a game nowadays. Players on Russian public 1v1 servers even vote regular for a time and fraglimit of 7, even when there is no queue.
Recently watched the new Mad Max movie. The action scenes/cuts are way to fast for my taste. Everyone seems to seek for fast action and no tension anymore.

thanks all, riddle solved :)

itemwhore xD

No one should miss the "Dad making him duel" anecdote... its pure gold!!!

15 minutes before the end of the video or so (sorry no timestamp for now)....

Interview av3k
.. oh wait

He already did... http://www.esreality.com/post/2130217/av3k-1o...4-success/

probably the last interview for a couple of years

So is makaveli the aslkjd guy or no? I've heard it was his alias in ql.

I don't alias, and even back when I was playing in tournaments, I pretty much just played with my name. I did alias at times back in the day, but I pretty much stayed visible and just played.

I'm makaveli on QL.

aslkj is a known alias

Makaveli is a legend in the game (or sport if you want to go that route)

Good to see Thorin recognizing this man

yeh didn't follow Quake before QL but i still enjoyed watching this!

How nice. Mak is still around.
This guy was seriously funny and dirtier than dirtiest-talking dirty dirt man, but he was also very good at Quake.
His Q2 duels were cool. Way cool.
Man, the days...the glory...the alcohol...the delays...the spiral rails...