Looks awesome! :)

Yeah I don't want to give my hopes up but I like what I see so far.

blablabla :P

another game to cheat in for you yes!

Are you sure you can enjoy it without cheating this time?

:)

cant wait for the beta to start

DOOM: WHO TURNED ON ALL DA LIGHTS

I really hope the game will be available to test at Quakcon!

Any chances for quake 5 reveal at qc2015?

some of the weapons are just ported from doom3...looks lazy. but overall it looks cool.

I agree with you all - looks promising and let's hope it will be good. :)

Doom is a single player game. Tbh mp looks better even in oldie Crysis. Anyway love it couse of previous parts.

was this played with a controler? Is there strafe jumping?


I like yhe fact that there seems to be option to force enemy model

The only type of jumping I could tell was a double jump (UT/AW style). The deathmatch definitely looked fast pace.

I wonder if the Quake Live team was involved at all.

on some streams i saw, ppl actually don't remember that Doom3 had a duel mode, vod's are available so ...

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAGPTour/search?query=doom3

"presentation wise" yeah show me the game on console, but there was NO commentary about the game, on QuakeCon'2015 07-23/24/25/26-2015 we will see more ...

http://www.quakecon.org/

Singleplayer looks the better of the two modes, multiplayer is looking a bit too dumbed down console-friendly to me.

Also, was it just me or did the singleplayer guy never get hit once by any of the demons? Seems like they were trying hard to make their fireballs miss etc.

Seems like it's just the same doom formula with good graphics and mortal kombatesque gore from fatalitys and shit. So I'm guessing the gameplay will be mediocre and the multiplayer will be terrible but experiencing the single player will be ok for a bit.

amen

Same formula with 3 monsters on screen at most, really action packed, great!

You must be fun at parties.

You have seen like 10 minutes footage and have played 0 minute of it yourself

Solid review grumpy old woman

I'm curious about the environments. I'm not a big fan of the color palette shown in this footage, and I hope ther's going to be variation.

The amount of enemies at once is better than doom3, but is still far from what doom1/2 had. I wonder if the choice is dictated by performances.

The speed of running makes me very sad. Feels half of the original. Why u no run, doomguy?!
Shame also for the impression the footage is from a gamepad. Add slowness to the whole thing.

Let's see what happens.

I agree, the "color monotony" leads the game to a lack of visibility and it gets really boring. It's like if everything was about flesh and blood.

I'm looking forward to the game, as I don't expect much from FPS games nowadays and this looks fun. But is some freaking color too much to ask? How can a game developer in 2015 still opt for the desaturated monochrome filtered gritty look, when people keep saying they hate it (Battlefied 3, Superman movie, ...) and praise games that are rich in color variety (Bioshock Infinite, The Witcher 3). The original Doom games were able to create a horror atmosphere while being very colorful.

Someone made this mock-up edit:
Original
Edited

It's not actually a cacodemon, but the edited version just looks so much better than the original it's frustrating.

Also the level and environment design in these videos look extremely generic. The original Doom's abstract, surreal level design was largely a consequence of engine limitations, but it was also partly what made those games so timeless. Now all we get are these generic warehouse/factory corridors with some caves and mountains in between, all in a washed up grey/brown/red/yellow soup.

Hopefully this is just a first impressions thing and the full game will have more variety, because I really would like this game to be good.

At least they made the Pinky Demon, Cacodemon and possibly the Baron of Hell (possibly with Horns not like the D3 hell knight)

IIRC, the doom and doom 2 maps were designed as a 2d (top down) map.

SPECTACULAR SHOW. Second part just awesome. wp id.

russian player

QL looks way better

QL is simple graphics for clear hitboxes, what u on about m8

Doom isnt quake, maybe better sp, but worse mp for sure

better for who? not for human eye.

single player more like ffa with sg nowadays

generic fps kthxbye

I fixed the news

:DDDDDD

oh you made a funny so thats allowed to be majored. i see how it is

Post was already majored.

I only made it more sublime.

slow mo weapon change incase having 3 enemies on screen at once is too chaotic for you, awesome

is 3 max?

Definitely expected more, the gameplay is slow and the biggest dissapointment is the amount of enemies.

Multiplayer looks good but will require some community gamemodes, maps and tweaking from snapmaps before its excellent.

I will offer my firstborn for whomever creates a good ctf mode

Dat revenant powerup

First things first, it needs ZTN

I give it 72 hours after release until someone makes ztn

And another 72 for DM6.

SnapMap is a joke, you won't be able to recreate neither ztn nor dm6 with it. The modules are just one-level rooms with various entry-exit configs. In order to create any interesting map you need at least basic metabrush editing and ability to create custom room shapes. SnapMap is just a streamlined tool to mash a bunch of predefined rooms together and place triggers here and there.

Not being able to create ztn or dm6 seems like more of a plus to me.

You can only create maps in a shape of donut.

simpleitems 1
picmip 10 please

for what we've got so far, it looks just like doom 3 with 30% wider rooms, both sp and mp

so slow brutal doom with less monsters and 100% light

LOL

Any videos of the mod editor?

And I love how people compare monster counts between a game using sprites and one using high poly models. Although I would like to see something more like the amount in Quake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KApp699WdE

go to 40:40

Looks like you can create modes, maps and tweak gameplay settings. Not sure how powerful it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgFQNIDGu4A

awesome

Yea, someone should add it to the news post.

Looks pretty cool and easy to use, can see a lot of content being produced.

Dunno how powerful it will be for people such as yourself (fps mappers) though, what do you think from what you've seen? Will it have the ability to create architecture etc?

Very impressive

we want cityy doom4 maps

I am extremely excited about this!

Ricordo quando parlasti di una cosa cosi

Yes, I think it's a very smart idea. I guess one problem is the granularity. If you make the building blocks too big, you can't really make custom stuff (shootmania) unless you add loads and loads of prefab rooms, if you make them too small, it takes ages to make the map (minecraft). I really want to try this out. I spent so much of my freetime as a kid making doom maps.

SnapMap allows only for simple mashups of predefined modules, it doesn't allow for custom geometry, at least not in the current version. So don't expect ztn and dm6 remakes - those maps require at least custom metabrush editing capabilities.

That what console player would say : D
It's 2015. We have enough polygons for everyone.

Show me other current games with a similar level of graphics (to doom 4) that can support a similar number of monsters on screen to doom 1 & 2, hell even games that support as many as quake/serious sam.

Shadow Warrior?

I don't follow games much. Serious Sam 3 was the last game with more than 3 enemies at once (???)

If you want to make a doom sequel, you should go for its signature gameplay. You may want to change the gameplay if you believe it's better, but if you do it because your engine is too heavy, maybe your engine is not the right one to use, or you are not the right company, or this is not the game you should be doing. Compromising gameplay due to performances is the recipe why doom3 sucked balls.

Or to make money.

I'd like to see something being done through kickstarter personally... But the doom ip is massive and also owned by a massive company who arn't here to cater to a tiny niche, so this is what we get.

I think it's looking pretty good so far and that's coming from someone who still plays vanilla doom regularly now.

Doom 3 focused on singleplay and amazing graphics, which is what this game should do too imo. And stick to the Quake series for fast gameplay.

Let's leave Quake out of this.

I don't know which Doom 1 and 2 you have played, but in my book they are sickeningly fast games (fastest running speed to date in an fps, afaik), with loads of enemies, pure arcade style. And I replayed them regularly (last time last year), so this is not nostalgia talking.

I don't mind people exploring other genre, but I get extra pissed when something which is not Doom gets called Doom. Might be too late now, as anything between Doom3 and Doom1/2 is now 'canon', and since there's such a big difference, they can pretty much do anything and call it a cross over of the prequels.

But still to me Doom is something very distinct, defined by 1 and 2, which Doom 3 was absolutely not. Serious Sam 1 was much closer, despite the completely absurd/comical dramatic theme.

So here I am a bit worried, because I see too much Doom3 and not enough Doom 1 and 2. The whole close combat finishes feels like doom at a dramatic level, but at a formal level that mechanic does not compensate for lack of speed and lack of monsters. The again, I might be wrong and this is a worth successor.

First doom was a bunch of sprites in a 2D world ffs. Incomparable to modern day games.

... see further below http://esreality.com/post/2741933/#pid2741897

The graphics of doom1/2 has nothing to do with the choice of designing the gameplay for doom 3/4.

Graphics impact performance. Performance impact gameplay.

And gameplay is king, if you care about making good games.

Lost art.

You all forget that doom4 will come to xshit and ps4 and that restrict them slot about monster count at the same time + the gfx should be good nowdays to sell a game in fps genre. I just hope they add difficulty for PC where monsters are a lot more or smth for the masacre fans. Still, this is just a demo and wasn't that bad for what it is.

Gameplay is always king in my book as well.

But a distinction should be made between singleplayer and multiplayer. You can't expect super fast multiplayer gameplay at the same time as a compelling singleplayer campaign with cutting edge graphics.

(Which is why I was arguing to keep the two apart instead of trying to fit them together in the same game.)

yes but id is making this game and do not care if game is good many time before only making money

You'd be surprised how many game developers love their job and try to do the best game they can, even in the most terrible conditions. I seriously doubt anyone at id matches your description.

syncerror

/skill 6
/timescale 1.5

We were playing with wired keyboards and CRTs back then.

All games are slow now. They have to cater to input lag ridden LCD displays and slow wireless gamepads.

The low latency technology is what was lost.

too bright

"The Corridor" should be the title. Or, "The Call of Corridor" if you prefer.
"I'm too young to die" should be the selling line.
And why even mention ID if its pure 100% Bethesda?

Fighting looks like karate B-movies from the 90-s: being attacked by multiple enemies hero finds that they come only one after one.

The melee combat is slowing the already slow game drastically. The movement is twice slower than the original Doom series and yet you have to literally STOP for each melee. And what for? Why watch the same 3-4 "violent" fatalities HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of times? (2-3 seconds each). The monsters just patiently wait for you to shoot them or to come closer and "start the standart procedure". And at the end the UltraFast-Paced-Shooter p-a-u-s-e-s while you're changing the weapon. Y u so slow, Doom 4? Maybe it is meant to provide Captain Retard all the time he needs maneuvering with his wireless Dualshock?

The complexity of maps looks like, yeah, exactly, a good-old corridor. (With the sequences of open areas here and there).

The monsters are pensioners, it seems. They didnt see you at all until you come point blank and "start the standart procedure". The're lazy, not inventive at all and dont care about other monsters or environment, they're just slowly going from here to there as they do in the retirement home.

The weapons look consolish and nothing really new was created, it seems.

The lighting of the enviroment is static only. I'm not a specialist, but ID Tech 6 didnt strike me as the breakthrough. Everything static is made of Voxels, while everything that moves is made from the good-old polygons. And, yeah, megatexture. It may be good for the performance, but thats it. It looks sometimes okay but its definetly not the shining edge of the technology as it should be tens years after last game. Even Doom 3 had something - at least it had its darkness and sudden traps - but this is not a game at all, just one big standart procedure.

ah yes is good point about monster not engaging other monster. would be better if they had interaction. lost opportunities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KApp699WdE&a...verified=1

bla bla bla

weird how id fails at recapturing their own games.. guess it's not the same company anymore, but Doom3 wasn't really Doom either.

this was a well formulated first impression: http://scar3crow.com/2015/06/doom-and-gloom/

(as a side note: SF5 looks good, looks like Street Fighter at least. most Japanese devs in general can advance their franchises if they stick to their guns and don't catter too much to general audiences.)

anyway, fast forward Doom4, let's skip straight to Quake5. i'm genuinely curious how disappointing that will be.

I'm not willing to fast forward to quake 5, although it'd be interesting for vannilla to commit suicide for reflex.

Here's hoping it's an ambitious title.

Reflex already commited suicide with their timers bullshit.

Seeing as there's absolutely no market in arena FPS games at the moment I doubt we will even see it.

i think is because id have no longer carmack and others make quake great in passed. i am shock after 8 years this game that they made this game like this. i think maybe for id time to close doors.

This post gave me dyslexia.

i am shock

grow up

Single player looked fairly underwhelming, however the multiplayer and mods looked to have some promise, in the least justifying themselves with full modder support.

Co-op?

lol, too hard to implement in 2015, was no problem in original doom1/2 twenty years ago.

erm...

I meant campaign co-op ofc not some wave nonsens..

You could probably implement it with snapmaps

There is a demo of co-op mode created with snapmaps in the video.
Two guys doing tower-defense style stuff, shooting incoming waves of monsters.

Looks fucking fine to me. Gore (dat. chainsaw.), well-designed world, neat monsters... makes doom 3 look like shit.
The medkit / ammo drops suck, but oh well, still better than autoregen.

As for the movement speed, its just a trailer and its meant to show the graphics and such. Im sure it will have at least some kind of autorun option.

Agreed

Agreed. Fingers crossed

:(

When he puted helmet, anyone else expected any sounds from main character when hes choping with chainsaw and something like ragegasm :?

No T for Teens rating I guess :D

your teen is not prepared.

This will be banned in Germany

who cares but the germans

Gonna be banned in Australia as well. It's a shame noctis won't be able to play

Looks like a real ID Software game. I haven't seen one for so long it took me a while to work it out. Amazing :)

It only took ID to cease to exist and Bethesda to make it :^)

There's one thing Bethesda sure know how to do, make fucking good art for games. Single player is going to be a blast.

weapons look satisfying, unlike doom3's bb guns.
but where are the rivers of blood? where are the pentagrams? where are the fuckin' candles and skulls on sticks?! hell looks like it's been lifted straight out of rage's "generic dusty canyon area" sections


WHERE ARE THE FLAMING SKULLS

ey wazup

SKULLS

https://youtu.be/Ce7In6GhM-c?t=23s
Kinda pentagramish.

need moaaaaaaaaaar

bridge

There will be Clan Arena mode :)) . First doom cfg command "Bind 2 say go bridge".

CA in doom?
We're doomed.

holy :o hype'd

Guys prepare your wallets.

Literally every shot in that entire Bethesda sizzle reel extreme violence. Nothing else. This is moder game design.

No you dumbass, that is old school game design

old schoo*

Being offended is so hot right now

Where can I vote for them to die?

violence in video games? no way?
mind you it's only been like that for 30 years or so...

I wonder what those people think of GTA 5 lol

Makes sense Anita Sarkeesian is defending her fellow demons.

that guy is a complete pussy.

He's a White Knight.

Haha... people.

HAHAHAHAHA modern game design, what a retard.

You must admit that video games like Doom are on the extreme of gore/brutality spectrum in mainstream culture. Don't act like it's nothing special and shouldn't shock anyone. It does. Deal with it.

It doesn't shock them. They live from being asshats and getting big money from donations.
Worthless pieces of donkey shit.

Why is it a problem? Violence has been declining even though we are making more and more violent video games. Who are the victims of video game violence?

you know zombie news story in miami usa?

many people think video game real life

http://esreality.com/post/2742764/tragedy-befalls-quake-legend/

What?

Humaniny is on the verge of WW3, and these two idiots are worrty about violence in computer games. Now this is what I call deeply deeply seriously wrong.

Take out the fancy shaders and physically based rendering and what are you actually doing? Running straight up to monsters (who stand still) and clicking on them. Looks boring as fuck.

If the monsters just stand still in the actual game (not a demo vid) and on a reasonable difficulty I'll be stunned (and sad)

the monsters will be standing still in closets that you activated the doors to open.

I am pretty sure the ai was just fastly made for the demo purpose.

They killed the horror part of the doom 3 and didn't give us myriad of mobs for a good bloody madness.

What the game (single player) needs is pacing. Meaning to change the pace of gameplay regularly. In Doom 3 the pace was slow throughout the game, in Doom 4 perhaps the pace will be fast throughout the game.

They should mix these two formats and add some more variety. Otherwise it will be boring, because same pace all the time feels like standing still.

The alternate pace element I did see was finding the arm to unlock the fingerprint thing, but besides that it was mostly areas with 3 or 4 enemies.

edited for you:
What the game needs is strafe jumping.

I agree that it needs strafe jumping :) but it's not related to what I wrote

it's related. You can go through all those 'enemy-empty' levels quicker.

oh :)

at least you tried

you know, you can ask his paypal and pay him le moneyz.

All I can say is if you expected anything you knew better.

jobber

10/10 didnt and wont watch, i will play it when done and try to not see much before.

For a moment there i though i was watching a new Unreal game :/

exactly what I thought. Actually UT looks more fast paced than this... says a lot really

i guess gore wasn't a problem when members were pixeled

kind of a strange combo there imho...

I do like the going for the older age range with DOOM allowing for much more visually explicit images... but the gameplay seems kind of immature. With a huge emphasis on finishing off opponents with cool looking animations...

We'll see what happens though.
The animations do look well done and it could definitely lead to a fun to play game.
And the Diablo like outside world is a nice bonus ;)

"but the gameplay seems kind of immature. With a huge emphasis on finishing off opponents with cool looking animations..."

welcome to new age fps games.
For the last 10 years or so FPS games have only been about complex inventory and options but simple and easy to win/complete, awards, achievements, "cool finishing off animations", etc.
But making the multiplayer simple yet difficult like counterstrike or quake is clearly not a priority anymore.

reminds me of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

Someone will count how many times you will see these animations through the entire game.

I'm still waiting for Lams expert thoughts about the gibs.

After just one viewing, I approve of this game's gore.

And what about the flying sparks effect? In depth.

looks pretty, gameplay wise my expectations for it are in the dumpster.

RIP id thx for making another shitty console game

mildly amusing console game. looking forward to playing for 5 hours and then never touching again. (just like doom3)

damn you managed a whole 5 hours?

how long you play rage? haha

Just look how better it feels with another speed.
http://coub.com/view/6vqxa
Almost like a game, huh.

Yes, but your computer would croak after three seconds.

and your brain

Hey, you're like Bacardi and Cola guys, never split, huh?

People seem to want both:
a) super fast gameplay &
b) cutting edge graphics.
But the two just don't go together I think.

First doom was a bunch of sprites in a 2D world ffs. Incomparable to modern day games.
Starting there you can go two ways:
a) fast gameplay -> Quake series (focus on multiplay)
b) amazing graphics -> Doom 3 (focus on singleplay)

Trying to mix the two - which they are trying to do it seems - is not going to work imo.

quake4 was doing both :p
(here comes the q4 hate comments)

Not sure about that, but it certainly is hard to make singleplay compelling in these modern times if the core of what you are doing is fight ai controlled bots. Even if you only focus on singleplay in such a game a balance should be struck between eye candy and performance.

Quake 1/2/3 all had cutting edge graphics at their release.

So did Doom, and Wolfenstein 3D.

Yes, and it was a great achievement. But that was the past, times have changed.

Today you can't maintain the same gameplay speeds if you also want the best graphics.

You still can. Then the issue is performance, like it was back then. Which of course doesn't really fit with designing something for consoles.

Then why is it max 60 fps?


(Edit: Which - technically speaking - is a performance issue as you mentioned. But saying: you can have 500 enemies on screen but the game will run at 1 fps is actually the same as saying: you can't have 500 enemies on screen. So making the distinction between fast gameplay and performance is a bit irrelevant in this context, they are linked.)

Because no one is interested in making good games.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with this max 60 fps thing. Do you have insider info? Or maybe a source?

But saying: you can have 500 enemies on screen but the game will run at 1 fps is actually the same as saying: you can't have 500 enemies on screen.

Yet that's how the previous id games were made. They made games that could barely be run at low FPS when they were released and the hardware had to catch up. The gameplay in optimal conditions wasn't compromised. But then again many would say id's games were tech demos and didn't have much for themselves when it came down to gameplay.
Anyway, this isn't an approach that could work anymore, of course, since the consoles are in the way. But in a situation where you have to choose between graphics and gameplay, is it really wise to choose the former?
That said, we've barely seen anything so I wouldn't jump to conclusions so soon.

>>> I'm not sure what you're talking about with this max 60 fps thing. Do you have insider info? Or maybe a source?

That's what they said when they were developing it and that's what many seem to think. I could have used another example but the problem is that we only have a demo to go on so everything is just speculation at this point.

>>> But in a situation where you have to choose between graphics and gameplay, is it really wise to choose the former?

No, choose both but do them in different games. (See original comment.)

First doom was a bunch of sprites in a 2D world ffs. Incomparable to modern day games.

You say that as if that wasn't state of the art graphics at the time. It was the limit of what they could do with the processing power available.

The Doom minimum requirement is a 66Mhz 486, which was less than a year old at release time. According to https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/misc/doombench.html that got around 20fps. It took ~100Mhz Pentium class processors to reach 60fps, which were not released for about a year after Doom.

The lack of an FPU in a 486SX meant that proper 3D wasn't really practical until Pentium was the norm. Hence the clever 2D/3D tricks, and the need to treat monsters as a "face the camera" wall.

(FWIW, with enough optimisation a stock (16MHz-ish) Atari Falcon030 can match a 486/66 for performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZEd3aGI1Fk - and even a lot better with a little cheating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTxwfRl_I0U )

I said that to illustrate it's incomparable to modern day games.

That was made on a 16 mhz processor? Mind= totally blown.

Yea, 16MHz 68030 CPU with 14Mb of RAM sitting on a 16Mhz 16-bit bus.

The ish is because it also has a 32MHz DSP which is typically it is only used for sound processing and requires the CPU to manually feed it data if not going straight from the audio in/out buffers, but that is one of the keys to getting this working.

Another key part is what can be done if you have an emulator that can provide non-intrusive profiling of things like cache misses (with a 256 byte cache!) so that you can get things really close to optimal.

I grew up with an Atari ST as my first computer and always dreamed of owning a falcon. If I saw one today I'd still buy it.

It was not a bad machine for it's time, but too hard to get the best performance out of it, which meant with a small developer base and dwindling support from Atari there was not enough software that showed it's real power.

Not sure you'd pay this price though - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atari-Falcon-030-Vi...1900201738 (if people do pay that sort of price maybe I should get mine from my parent's loft and see if it still works!)

It makes me laugh, if you blow up the picture of the main keyboard it's so fucking dirty. You'd think the owner would have given it a nice clean before taking a picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXU5k4U8x20

Graphics isn't the best but it's for console peasants. (Same with Doom anyway).

star wars is bullshit

dayum... that looks immerssive. i ususally hate fps with vehicles but in this case it might be ok since i also liked/played quakewars :)

i'm sure it's gonna be 60fps like recent id games.

lalalalala

I find it weird how excited people are getting over the first person melee fatalities... We already had them in Alien vs Predator and everyone got bored of them really quickly.

Yet here we are with all sorts of people getting excited over something that is technically just a very inefficient delete.

but all the best games do melee fatalities

THIS IS A DEATHMATCH GAME NOT A PACMAN CLOOONE

waka waka

This screen from the map editor looks a bit poor, makes the level look as flat as a wolf3d one. Even the original doom was more vertical and you can't even put a room above a room in that!

if you look to the right there's a vertical level bar, looks like you'd be able to adjust the height based on that? I think they showed simple stuff for examples, I'd be surprised if the game literally didn't let you put a room on top of one. In the back there's stairs too, and jump pads, so the ability to do it is there.

I wonder how you choose wall and ceiling textures.

com_blood 0
*screen turns black*

looks exactly like rage gameplay trailers to me
and we know how that worked out

get a job

If there's one this this Doom needs is that the player needs to give out the middle finger to a demon to get him pissed off/and then demon's throwing barrels at you just like in brutal doom.

My daddy is stronger than yours !

Nice to see comments from ppl who actually care or know the game, the whole coverage on gaming sites suck like ign or gamespot :)

The best thing i saw recently was this in german:

Doom - Video-Analyse: Ultra-Splatter & User-Levels - Gamewatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ImFfQPhJIQ&hd=1


But this guys don't even realize the splash damage from the rocket launcher :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ImFfQPhJIQ&hd=1&t=15m48s

Is it me or did the enemies seem rather generic. Aside from the bigger ones (mancubus, revenant, cyberdemon) it didn't seem like anything they did set them apart. At a slight distance even hell knights seemed like nothing more than imps, good to see they at least move quicker than they did in D3. And the melee/finishing sequence, I could see that getting old quickly. Was already sick of it just from the demo. Wouldn't mind seeing something done with the butt of the gun, but that finishing move is just meh.

And I thought this was supposed to be a retake on hell on earth? That first level looked like it could fit in at a Mars base from D3.

"And I thought this was supposed to be a retake on hell on earth? That first level looked like it could fit in at a Mars base from D3."

They said it starts on Mars and goes to Hell... so you're right.

The Hell on Earth version was completely scrapped.

Ah, I see. I didn't know they canned the storyline as well. Cheers sir.

The Cacodemons look big and harmless ^ ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSswATe2G8&hd=1

Bethesda's Conference Summary ( including gameplay footage of Doom, Fallout 4 etc... ) in here : http://druidz.se/nyheter/2/2870/

For those complaint about slow paced or the amount of demons,
Looks like you can easily create what you want with snap something.
The example of a ffa game players are already moving faster than those in quake live.

"hello, even though we didn't make the game you guys really wanted, you can do it yourselves through snap and save us time!"

Yeah lol,
But if we will have a good communication tool inside or outside of the game, there is a chance to make the next Dota(not saying about moba. originally it was mod of something iirc)

yeah, this is why we have 4 dooms and 5 quakes already.

You may like it or not, but the "leave it to the modders" approach has been standard practice for a while now with id games. And given this observation, the more relevant point probably is how good the modding tools are, ie how easy or not it is to create a mod.

I agree though that it's somewhat annoying that people have to rewrite everything pretty much from scratch with each new engine. Look at stuff like qlranks for example, which you would hope was relying on a user "API" that was maintained across engine releases in a downward compatible manner. But if quake5 was ever going to happen I'm fairly sure pretty much none of their code will carry over.

It's really back to square one for everybody each time around. And that's actually not that awesome.

ya good tool, good modders, and good communication tool.
If we can get all of them, more players = more viewers = more money = can be successful as a competitive game(biz wise, and hopefully hit quaker's heart also)

tits WAD support or gtfo

TOP DEFINITION
WAD
an excessive amount of opaque fluid often referred to as semen, cum, jizz, man milk, and/or wang extract, that is projected out of the male genetalia at sexual zenith.

this is a strange request you have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_WAD

Just give me a ton of scary fucking monsters jumping and chasing my ass down on screen with no lag. And co-op so my niggas and I can take down everyone. I want a multiplayer game that isn't death match. I want like 6 players on my team going through instant dungeons (maps) with a random boss at the end. I want an actual mmofps not planetside team vs team, I want team vs environment +monsters.

what you are asking for is left 4 dead 2 basically

is fun game. very fun with full team vs monster

1000000% guarantee LFD2 > This likely POS.

Trailer looks awful. People saying it looks great are easily swayed.

Flat. Terrible palette. Monsters don't appear to interact. No pickups. Slow. Appears to have typical flow of a modern (aka: total shit) shooter.

Gonna be complete shit. Also likely gonna be id's final game unless the masses eat this garbage up based on nostalgia and a mildly interesting on a very superficial level trailer.

they say in doom forum if this do good, rage2 is next. but if not, id will have to close company door

Rage was total crap and no one liked it. Obviously worthy of a sequel.

RIP id software.

Funny thing is Quakelive could have been big if they handled it like a big name property and devoted proper resources (say: New graphics, same gameplay, matchmaking, server support to deal with the 500,000++++ subs the first day, proper aesthetic stuff to buy... I see naggers with hundreds of dollars worth of optional purely aesthetic shit in games where it's allowed)....

But nope. Instead let's half ass a total piece of garbage.

https://zandronum.com/

hehe fuck yeah!

But with snapmap people will prolly build tower defence as well. But yeah boss encounters lol nice. Cant wait for a wolfenstein DLC :D

inb4 players start asking for donations to update rig/ purchase game to stream

looks shit... not dm6 no ztn in multiplayer

notha console shoota

gameplay presentation on a console is a no go, we have to teach these guys a lession

Star Wars: Battlefront was announced as PS4 gameplay footage, but it was a PC ... for sure

Fov & keybindings ^ ^

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Get-Jo...attlefield

http://www.twitch.tv/allshamnowow/v/6205872

6hrs14min
http://www.twitch.tv/kbmod/v/6204507

No idea for the gameplay ? Make Gore... :(

I wait for Q5.

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So which promod should we use? One has better netcode, while another feels better.

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After update 1.74 of promod Doom 4 I think I am going back to Quake Live permanently. I think we chose the wrong direction and the community is dead.

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2020-
Still playing ztn3tourney1

Did a mini podcasty thing on the multiplayer (guns, movement, snapmaps, competitive viability):

keep talking about more fps ingame ... remember RAGE reloading / refreshing issue from RAM & SSD ?

I'll try to look for reloading textures in 360 turns in the background of "hell" level ...

PCper#RAGE Performance and Image Quality Evaluation - Day 1

i think you guys are right. the weapon switch is annoying and the ki looks poor. but hey probably they work on it. and hopefully you can turn off powerups (d3'ish) or these finings moves for comp play. but hey its doom <3

i like the ingame weapon switch, it gives you a limited time to wonder over the moster gfx.

But that switch is for console i think, i hope they make it for PC as well and i also hope they make it so you can turn it on/off .

That's the logical thing to do: bind keys for weap switch or keep that switcher.

I missed it myself and cba to rewatch now, but I was told Marty did say you can just skip direct to weapons on the PC.
I really wouldn't expect /bind to go anywhere any time soon.

i wonder if you can do screenshots on a console :)

it was clear that this was console gameplay, why would a pc game pasue the game to switch weapons ... but ur comment is quite amusing

why could you not do screenshots on consoles jesus

:) just guessing ... maybe look for RAGE menu & bindings then

... i like the slow mo... so you can admire the gfx and the details of the monster nothing else. i thought that was clear. :P

lol, how easy some esr ppl get impressed with nothing new. dont wanna mention names:
puritan puritan
puritan puritan puritan puritan puritan puritan...all puritans here

but it is something new; you just failed to define it.

srry, im no fucking retarded hello kitty hipster

this game is like theese hollywood movies with million dollar production and no content. just a big bubble and some esr hipsters blow and blow and blow like they are sucking cockz from id software.

how can you make that judgment so early? you haven't tried it yet or seen multiplayer gameplay

the past has shown me the future, or in other words: (bad) experiences. id's mind hasnt changed, revolutionary experimental spirit is gone years ago

I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time, I think they must have done some post mortem of doom3 and realize from feedback that it was not what fans expected. You can see have made many steps in the right direction. The question for me is if that's enough to get a true doom, but I don't think they are as clueless as you picture them.

well i started in 07 and since then my negative feelings against id has grown and grown with almost every update they gave out. 8 fucking years passed

I would give them the benefit of doubt for this one. I think they really care and do realize this is extremely important for id software as a company.

another game bites the dust - we'll c

no care has been give to quake live. maybe doom4 have more person working on game but is all.

id do not deserve benefit of doubt. look how rapha was treated at quakecon at years past made to wait for bawls. is disgusting. and this marty stratton is working on doom now. id deserve to fail after rage pc game issue especially. ~

i understand you defend them as you are friends but is not honest. id is not same company as in 90s. they do not care about fans really, only money now.

This has nothing to do with being friends, but about id caring about their work. As you said, they haven't cared about Quake Live (at least not after a year or so). But doom is a different thing. It's their one of their two core fanchises, and possibly the most important one. If there is something they will care about it has to be doom; they would be fool not to. Hence the benefit of doubt.

many same ideas as other game. not new. maybe new for id is all but they always behind few year

yeah, like your pov

Maybe it's about one's expectations.

I never had high hopes for Doom 4, especially with id being nothing more than a logo nowadays. Plus, bethsoft's last good fps title was Future Shock several ice ages ago, so ... why would I expect anything, right?

But when I was watching the vids I thought: fuck, this actually looks like Doom. It has demons and gore and blood and a working chainsaw... for me, that's what doom's about.
Yes, it's not groundbreaking, it's not revolutionary (as far as we can tell right now, without playing the game). But it looks like Doom, not Resident Evil with lights switched off; and it looks like good fun for a couple of hours.

From what I've read in this thread by the heavily disappointed people, Doom 4's biggest flaw is: it's not Quake. The vid doesn't start in Cooller pov and it doesn't show strafe jumping and rocket jumps and finely-tuned multiplayer.
It's just Doom - and for me personally, it feels fine that way.

never played reflex but by just watching this projekt growing and how the developers search the intense contact to players, keeping the basics of a hardcore fps game: multiplayers support, modding, freedom of movement....makes me happy and want to see more. some1 should make a poll how many players r actually satisfied with id softwares decisions and so on.maybe they start listen more and more..

im with you

Yeah, Doom 4 is nothing new, but Reflex is totally new, except it's a cripled CPMA and the missing limbs are GUI timers.

some interesting comments on doomworld to get things in perspective

Honestly was kinda fine with the amount of enemies on screen because doom is not supposed to even be like serious sam or painkiller, where it's always just slaughtering hordes of enemies.

and

I think some people forget that Doom rarely features hordes. How many times in the original Doom are there more than half a dozen enemies at a time? Not extremely often. There's some occasional demon or zombie spamming, but again, the numbers are usually in the dozen-or-less range.

Also shitty graphics.

I would expect someone that posts in doomworld to have played doom, specially doom2, were you would get tonts of enemies at once. Just lol at half a dozen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXhsEKxzji4

I doubt we'll rarely see that amount of enemies in Doom 4, the running speed is too slow for it. I also expect the shotgun to be totally useless unless you are 1 cm next to the enemy you are shooting instead of being more accurate like in the original Doom. In Doom 3 the shotgun was so fucking useless.

There's some occasional demon or zombie spamming, but again, the numbers are usually in the dozen-or-less range.

Where in your doom video did you ever see more than 12 demons at the same time? Most of the time it actually was around 6 so you pretty much just provided evidence for his point and not your own. ;)

When he picks up the red card at the begining there are more than 12 enemies when the doors open. Did you even watch the fucking video?

im gettin all giggidy thinkin about a remake on the new engine. would be so epic

http://imgur.com/a/AOv6q#0

Such a colorful hell. Would love to run around their and look at all those cute flying red meatballs <3

it looks cool but kinda out of place due the realistic graphics.

This gameplay i should rather would like to see then whole D4 presentation :)

mp looks like fun...

What about loadouts?

They said they want to spawn you with "a few good weapons" or something like that.

This looks very bad. I wonder how much bad things ppl will accept before losing all hopes about idsoftware/bethesda.

another game which looks so bad multiplayerwise. I can bet all those who is now saying this game looks great wount be able to hold more than 2 hrs playing this. Another "promising" game. U can play this is only if you are 15 yo.

"U can play this is only if you are 15 yo."

Which is exactly how it should be. One of the biggest problems I've noticed with the Quake community, ESR/competitive mindset is that it is just a bunch of mid-20s to 40 year olds trying to pretend like they are still teenagers and living for the nostalgia. News flash: you should have grown up by now and developed real responsibilities (family, career, etc). I am deeply sorry that no game studios make games that are suitable for overgrown manchildren hoping to re-live their former days of glory. Most of you really need to change this immature thinking. Nobody makes games for you anymore. The world has moved on. End of discussion. If you want to play a game designed for 35+ year olds, then go play Reflex, but enjoy playing with literally 13 players.

NONONONNONO.

every anti-reflex rant has to be consistent. When will ppl finally understand that its literally 17players?!?!

'Literally 13 players'... it has no ring to it... u cant even fill one server with 13 players... its just bad.

Nonsene, im grown up, family, kids, work, but i'll never leave a hobby i enjoy for responsabilities. Different things...

For everyone linking those "if doom was done today" youtube videos, Bethesda ditched the first iteration of doom because it felt like Call of Doomt and wasn't doomish enough .

They also cite that game wasn't fast enough.

If I had time to play games I'd be a lot more hyped.

Things could always be worse. Always.

Should my genitals be in an erectile state right now or not?

DOOM's arenas are "almost like skate parks", according to exec producer

[...]What executive producer Marty Stratton means is that the game encourages constant momentum, and gives players plenty of wide open space and options for vertical movement[...]


"You do have to get into these expansive tracts, these big spaces, to really let the player have that level of fun, and even there we’ve kind of added a level of verticality to our game. We’ve added double jump mechanics and mantling that gets you up really, really fast.”


“You can play that very differently, you can actually use some of the verticality to get height on the demons and fire down, and wait for them to traverse and try and catch you – and then jump back down,” he explains. “We refer to these arenas almost like skate parks, where you’re just going in and you’re improvising your way through this combat dance with the enemies. You can go back and play it over and over.”

Very interesting...